Signalgate
Top officials caught discussing sensitive military operations using a commercial cellphone app called Signal. On top of that, a reporter was added to the group. The Atlantic reported Monday. The chats “included precise information about weapons packages, targets, and timing” of the strikes.
If these people had any sense of honor, they would already have resigned. The fact that they are all still in their jobs is just as damning as their terrifying and lawless incompetence.
This is what happens when you promote utterly unqualified people to the very top positions.
Trump 2.0, just as incompetent, lazy, careless, ignorant and hypocritical as Trump 1.0
Some things never change. Trump’s DUI hire really putting us all at risk today.
But please tell us more about Hilary not using proper government channels to send messages...oh my just listen to these hypocrites...
https://x.com/krassenstein/status/1904497697656111347It shows that there are a lot of amateurs around in Trump's government.
That's the problem if you choose loyalists above knowledge and experience.
Why were they using Signal? There are project 2025 training videos specifically recommending using the app as a way of avoiding subpoenas... Communication through an avenue that does not retain data...
It seems clear to me that when government officials use Signal to communicate about government business, they are doing so in order to avoid transparency laws...And dear leader says he had no idea what was going on...
https://x.com/ReallyAmerican1/status/19 … 6399752701Trump Delivers Verdict on Mike Waltz's Future at NewsWeek (Mar 25, 2025)
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-delivers … eakingNews
"Donald Trump has backed his National Security Adviser Mike Waltz amid calls for him to stand down.
Waltz added a reporter to a private and sensitive White House group chat on the Signal messaging app.
"Michael Waltz has learned a lesson, and he's a good man," Trump told NBC on Tuesday morning.
When asked how the reporter was added to the chat, Trump said: "It was one of Michael's people on the phone. A staffer had his number on there."This is what happens when you appoint high level unqualified loyalist to kiss your ring and follow procedures in accordance with the Heritage Group...SNAFU.
i had a secret clearance with crypto access when I worked on black box stuff with the NSA at SAC headquarters. It was drilled into you that you only give information to those who have a proven need to know.
My badge had a big C on it. That means I was cleared to walk down corridor C. If I even looked like I was going to walk down any other corridor, the Air Police would come and question me.
Thanks for your post, I was going to do it. But you beat me to it,...good job.
I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting, they have laid an egg……..
"MAGAs" supporters, as a rule, don’t engage in silly distractions. But if anyone wants to talk about a feeble, confused president whose allies constantly cover for him and lie on his behalf—I’m your gal.
I see you’re still sticking to one-sentence comments. Have you ever considered expanding your thoughts into a full paragraph? It might add more depth and make for a more engaging discussion. That said, I do get a kick out of reading these types of OPs—always a learning opportunity! But to join in would suggest that, after reading all the posts here, I was pulled into a media blitz—which would only prove that I can be drawn into taking a bite out of sloppy feed.162 articles at your disposal.
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We've reached the "I don't recall" portion of the Intel hearing. Lol. Incompetent lying clowns. I don't know how anyone could come away from the intel hearing thinking Tulsi Gabbard is someone competent for her role.
Hegseth is so far out of his depth. How drunk or inept do you have to be to broadcast your country’s war plans and national security information on an unsecured group chat? He’s beyond unqualified and should be fired. But we all know that won’t happen....Trump is already sweeping it under the rug, oddly blaming the editor of the Atlantic. He took questions from reporters today and honestly just didn't seem to have a clue about anything that was going on.
Here are the attack plans that Trump advisor shared on signal...
"The statements by Hegseth, Gabbard, Ratcliffe, and Trump—combined with the assertions made by numerous administration officials that we are lying about the content of the Signal texts—have led us to believe that people should see the texts in order to reach their own conclusions. There is a clear public interest in disclosing the sort of information that Trump advisers included in nonsecure communications channels, especially because senior administration figures are attempting to downplay the significance of the messages that were shared...."
Experts have repeatedly told us that use of a Signal chat for such sensitive discussions poses a threat to national security. As a case in point, Goldberg received information on the attacks two hours before the scheduled start of the bombing of Houthi positions. If this information—particularly the exact times American aircraft were taking off for Yemen—had fallen into the wrong hands in that crucial two-hour period, American pilots and other American personnel could have been exposed to even greater danger than they ordinarily would face.
As we wrote on Monday, much of the conversation in the “Houthi PC small group” concerned the timing and rationale of attacks on the Houthis, and contained remarks by Trump-administration officials about the alleged shortcomings of America’s European allies. But on the day of the attack—Saturday, March 15—the discussion veered toward the operational....
Continued...At 11:44 a.m. eastern time, Hegseth posted in the chat, in all caps, “TEAM UPDATE:”
The text beneath this began, “TIME NOW (1144et): Weather is FAVORABLE. Just CONFIRMED w/CENTCOM we are a GO for mission launch.” Centcom, or Central Command, is the military’s combatant command for the Middle East. The Hegseth text continues:
“1215et: F-18s LAUNCH (1st strike package)”
“1345: ‘Trigger Based’ F-18 1st Strike Window Starts (Target Terrorist is @ his Known Location so SHOULD BE ON TIME – also, Strike Drones Launch (MQ-9s)”
"Let us pause here for a moment to underscore a point. This Signal message shows that the U.S. secretary of defense texted a group that included a phone number unknown to him—Goldberg’s cellphone—at 11:44 a.m. This was 31 minutes before the first U.S. warplanes launched, and two hours and one minute before the beginning of a period in which a primary target, the Houthi “Target Terrorist,” was expected to be killed by these American aircraft. "
Continued...The Hegseth text then continued:
“1410: More F-18s LAUNCH (2nd strike package)”
“1415: Strike Drones on Target (THIS IS WHEN THE FIRST BOMBS WILL DEFINITELY DROP, pending earlier ‘Trigger Based’ targets)”
“1536 F-18 2nd Strike Starts – also, first sea-based Tomahawks launched.”
“MORE TO FOLLOW (per timeline)”
“We are currently clean on OPSEC”—that is, operational security.
“Godspeed to our Warriors.”
Continued ...The text chain is here...
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar … rg/682176/
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https://x.com/shaneharris/status/1904871582561902963Favorite part of the Houthi Small Group texts released by Goldberg:
Hegseth writes: "THIS IS WHEN THE FIRST BOMBS WILL DEFINITELY DROP" in all caps followed by "We are currently clean on OPSEC" in a text chain that included a stranger...
God help this country with the absolute imbeciles in charge....There is simply no universe in which this is not classified information. The whole incompetent bunch, including trump, are LIARS.
At minimum, Hegseth, Tulsi and Waltz should be fired. It's a bad idea to pick your cabinet by watching Fox News....BREAKING...American Oversight is suing Hegseth, Gabbard, Ratcliffe and rest of chat saying their messaging via Signal is a violation of the Federal Records Act.
Pentagon-wide email from March 18, 2025 warns signal messaging app is vulnerable to hackers....
Also...SIGNAL cannot be downloaded on government phones with SIPRnet and JWICS secure networks.
These idiots were using THEIR OWN UNSECURED PHONES.
https://x.com/TheMaineWonk/status/1904950749601108190I would like to hear from people who served in the military.
I was in for over a decade.
Mistakes happen. It is unfortunate, but it happens in the military like it does in other walks of life.
Nothing bad resulted from this mistake.
Now, let's compare this military mistake to the mistakes made by the biden withdraw from Afghanistan. Those were very serious mistakes that had very dire consequences for military personnel.
The left defended it.
I'm calling serious hypocrisy from the left.
There is an old saying that goes, "Don't put a standard on me that you do not have for yourself."Mistakes happen when you hire people off of the Fox and Friends couch. These people weren't supposed to be having those types of conversations on signal, that's the bottom line. Little Marco should have known better and piped up but for some reason he didn't. This could have ended very badly for those completing this mission.
President Biden decided to withdraw U.S. troops from Afghanistan to end America's longest war, which had lasted 20 years. He stated that the war's original objectives—such as dismantling terrorist networks like al-Qaeda—had been achieved years ago, and continuing the military presence no longer made strategic sense. Biden emphasized that the U.S. could not keep extending its involvement, hoping for ideal conditions for withdrawal, as this would perpetuate the cycle of conflict.
The decision was also influenced by an agreement made during the Trump administration, which set a withdrawal deadline. Biden chose to honor this agreement, although he extended the timeline to ensure a safer exit.
The withdrawal was controversial, with debates about its execution and the rapid collapse of the Afghan government following the U.S. departure.
Comparing Biden's withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan and Trump's incompetence is a false equivalenceThe bottom line is the left doing their best to make something out of nothing. They are extremely unpopular and grasping at straws. It is a sad thing to watch.
Mistakes happen. We had friendly fire incidents where US troops mistakenly fired on other troops. I've seen top secret messages sent to the wrong people and more.
Nobody got hurt. Nothing got damaged.
It was a teachable moment and won't happen again.A "teachable moment?" LOL these positions are too important for on the job training.
Our country is being run by a group of straight up idiots. I do not even know what else to say at this point.
Now we finding out that the private data (including passwords!) of senior U.S. security officials has been found online. Are these guys logging in using AOL dial up from starbucks coffee shops? WHAT IS GOING ON?
Der Spiegel is reporting that details found online include cell phone numbers, email addresses and even passwords.
Officials affected include many that were on the classified war plans Signalgate call - National Security Adviser Mike Waltz, Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard and Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth.
The contact information appears to be current, with some "linked to profiles on social media platforms like Instagram and LinkedIn. They were used to create Dropbox accounts and profiles in apps that track running data. There are also WhatsApp profiles for the respective phone numbers and even Signal accounts in some cases."
SIGNAL? You don't say.
This is an even worse update to the story, in fact. Our adversaries (which include Russia, even if Trump, Vance and Gabbard disagree), can use this data to hack their electronic devices or install malware and tracking software. This makes it almost a near certainty that enemy governments were aware of the Signalgate chat about classified attack plans.
DER SPIEGEL did a deep dive and found contact information for Gabbard, Hegseth and Waltz in "commercial databases, while other information was in so-called password leaks, which are hardly a rarity on the internet. Shocking to even the reporters was how easy it was to find Hegseth's personal cell phone number and email address. Using that phone number, they were able to link a WhatsApp account. This guy is the HEAD OF THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE.
Ok, moving on. U.S. National Security Adviser Mike Waltz's cell phone number AND email were also found online after a simple search. They also were able to pair "several passwords" to his email address online. This led to Waltz's profiles in Microsoft Teams, LinkedIn, WhatsApp and Signal. SIGNAL. AGAIN.
Gabbard was not as easy to find. Her data was blocked in most search engines. But her email address was found on Wikileaks and Reddit. It was also easy to find a partial phone number, which ALSO linked to an active WhatsApp account and a Signal profile. Here we go with SIGNAL.
The White House and Trump's cabinet are a literal clown car filled with morons.
The ONLY reason American service members did not DIE from the recklessness and irresponsibility and arrogant ignorance of Hegseth and his friends is SHEER DUMB LUCK.
HE PUT THEIR LIVES AT RISK.
Isn't it funny... it was OK when Biden released the billions to Iran that funded the Houthis, Hamas, and Hezbollah... none of the people trying to make this "mistake/leak" an issue had a problem with those billions being released to Iran.
They didn't have a problem with Biden having us one mistake away from nuclear war with Russia either.
Now the Trump Administration is stuck dealing with these conflicts that the Biden Administration instigated and/or funded.
80+ million Americans (and growing) don't care about this "leak", or anything else "the Left" is whining about.
The majority of Americans were fed up and are still fed up with pretty much everything the Dems (and their supporting Leftwing media) support.
The time for debating these matters is over... like back when Obama ramrodded the ACA (Obamacare) through Congress and pushed for the Paris Accord, Global Compact on Migration (Open Borders) etc. none of which the majority of Americans wanted or supported...
Now the Trump Administration is going to ramrod through many, many changes, reduce spending, make sure only Americans can vote in our elections, and so on...
I doubt any of the 80+ million people who voted for Trump (Kennedy, Gabbard, etc.) want anything less... they want the lunatic Democrats steamrolled and everything Biden (and Obama) passed or supported, defunded and discontinued.
I expect they will accomplish much of it before we ever reach the mid-terms.You don't think Pete should be held accountable?
I mean even Pete agrees...
“Any security professional, military, government or otherwise, would be fired on the spot for this type of conduct and criminally prosecuted for being so reckless with this kind of information,”
Hegseth added back in 2016, “and who's had a top-secret clearance like I have and others who know that even one hiccup causes a problem.”
Really Pete?
But Hegseth wasn’t alone.
Virtually every other person on the "Houthi PC small group" chat on Signal, including the heads of the CIA and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, have publicly gone on record to say breaches of security protocol should be dealt with harshly and immediately....
HYPOCRITESNo... just not a violation like "leftwing" media is trying to paint it to be.
Sorry. Just one more thing the Left is going to continue to whine about that the 80+ million Americans don't want to hear about and will ignore.
But that has already been explained:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKoASX-WAX0Service members could have been killed Ken. By the grace of God or just dumb luck they weren't. That does not excuse the idiocy and recklessness of this bunch.
I had Top secret clearance with crypto access and it was drilled into me by the clearing agency and others that if you don't have a proven need to know, you don't get the information. That's how it is supposed to work.
Trump doesn't give a rat's ass about the handling and management of top secret documents and materials. Look at how he treated the top secret documents that he wasn't supposed to have. They were scattered all over the floor on a stage and in his bathroom. He even gave top secret information to a journalist at a golf event because being Trump, he was proud to do it.
In his first term his daughter and son-in--law applied for security clearances and both were summarily rejected by the clearing agency. So Trump just gave them top secret clearances which allowed them to have access to everything including launch codes and targeting information.
Trump was under investigation by a special prosecutors and the FBI, but being Trump he used every tactic delay he could until he became president. If you would have done the same thing, your ass would be in jail and that is where he belongs, not only for that, but for Jan. 6 as well.
I have news for you and all the Trumper's, we don't give a sh*t if we are unpopular by your crowd. That's how revolutions take place and Trump and company need to be behind bars. All the comparisons made to Biden are all false equiveillances. But that is what your crowd does because that's all you have are lame excuses and false equivalence comparisons..Funny that. The 80+ million Trump voters think that is where Biden, Pelosi and all the rest belong, behind bars.
Your revolution will no longer have NGO funding as the government spicket is turned off.
Your revolutionaries that are burning Teslas and assaulting Telsa owners will be arrested and prosecuted and jailed.
Your Leftist judges will be put in check or removed all together.
Time will tell.Ken,
Isn't it odd how President Donald Trump's popularity just seems to be increasing?
"CNN chief data analyst Harry Enten on Tuesday offered viewers a “reality check” on the current popularity of Donald Trump, and explained how the president’s popularity is actually relatively sky-high right now.
“All we talk about is how unpopular Donald Trump is, but in reality, he’s basically more popular than he was at any point in term No. 1 and more popular than he was when he won election back in November of 2024,” Enten said.
Enten pointed to Trump’s current net favorable rating of -4 points, comparing it to his -7 rating after winning the election and his -10 average during his first term in March 2017.
Enten also looked at current historically high polling on whether Americans believe the country is “on the right track” under Trump.
“The bottom line is the percentage of Americans who say we’re on the right track is through the roof,” he said."
I hope democrats keep doing democrat behavior. Data shows it is driving more and more people into the Republican party.
The best think about democrats are that they are so clueless they have no idea what's happening or why it's happening to them.
At this point, it is almost like they don't want to ever have any political power again.Forty-five percent of those questioned in a Reuters/Ipsos poll conducted this past weekend (March 21-23) gave Trump a thumbs up, with 51% saying they disapproved of his performance steering the nation. The survey questioned just over 1,000 adults nationwide....
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-po … ency-polls“The bottom line is the percentage of Americans who say we’re on the right track is through the roof"
This is a very important statistic.
democrats are going to continue to struggle as they seem to be on the wrong side of the major issues.Ken and RMN:
Just like you wouldn't read the New York Times because you think it is left wing propaganda, I won't read Fox News, because it is where Trump goes to whine about everything. Just like Trump calls the MSM fake news, the real fake news is Fox News.
The title of this forum is Signalgate. It is not about a popularity contest between Trump and democrats. It's about how a national security compromise could have caused the F-18 pilots to be shot down and the possibility of those attack plans getting in our adversaries hands because they were not using a SCIF. If you don't know what that is, look it up.
So please try to stay focused on the topic of this forum. I know you Trumpers are giddy about what he is doing, but I don't see it the same way. I think you are all suffering from TCD (Trump Cognitive Dissonance). If you don't know what dissonance means, look it up..
I see Trump as spiteful and revengeful because he has successfully removed all the security protections from those who he thinks were against him.
He suffers from acute narcissism because he constantly needs to be adored and requires loyalty and fealty. He has installed incompetent, unqualified people in the highest positions in our government because they have kissed his ring. He has pardoned all the jailed rioters of Jan. 6.
He is a master con-artist because he has conned his way into ignoring our three co-equal branches of government and is in the process of destroying our democratic republic.
The framers of the constitution did that to ensure our country would not be ruled by a monarch, but here is Trump as a monarch by ruling over the judicial and legislative branches. The GOP congress is afraid of him because he rules by threat, not by the rule of law as he claims he does.
Now back to the topic at hand.
Trump was elected because enough Americans had finally woken up.
They are never going back to sleep.
Slowly but surely a few more wake up every day.
I think "the Left" very soon will realize that this is barely the beginning.
Trump has support of ALL the people you need to get what needs to be done... Done.
The Left forced all of them into Trump's welcoming arms.
Tulsi Gabbard... former Dem.
RFK former Dem.
Elon Musk former Dem.
The Police across the nation.
Many in the military who have had enough.
The vast majority of the populace... Citizens...
Who supports the Dems...
Hollyweird...
The dying Legacy Media...
The majority of Academia...
Plenty of rich elites playing god...
And some brainwashed kids who I feel for.
But not the folks who run the country... Not the truck drivers, the mechanics, the electricians...
And now even the IT geeks are flocking in droves thanks to Elon Musk.
My daddy is bigger than your daddy and can beat you up. That's what it sounds like from you...grow up.
I'm curious. How did you come to 80 million voters want Biden and Pelosi and all the others (whatever that means) to be jailed for what?
I see you didn't dispute any of the stuff I said about Trump's security violation, Jan 6, and his daughter and son in law getting top secret security clearance when their applications were rejected..
Ken, I have to smile at the thought of anyone posting an OP like this—it’s really stepping into it. I don’t think she even understands the meaning of hypocrisy.
But seriously, who in the hell will be held accountable for hiding the fact that we had a cognitively impaired president who nearly brought the country to its knees? This is all too silly for me.
First, I will wait to see if it is true... because anything that comes from Leftwing media I consider a lie until it is proven infallibly true.
Then, I consider what the alternative is...
Today the alternative is a Democrat Party that consists of terrorists (bombing Tesla dealerships, assaulting people who drive Tesla vehicles), jihadists, communists (marxists, etc.) and people who hate America and want it destroyed... as well as your run of the mill grifters and criminals.
And then all the insane stuff on top of it... men competing with women, child mutilation, open borders (sex traffickers, criminals, drugs)...
So... there currently is no alternative for sane rational people...
The alternative was Harris and a continuation of the destruction of America. So... not interested.
Get back to me in 4 years... we will see if the Democrats have come up with a sane, rational, Americans first alternative to following up Trump with 8 years of JD Vance.The texts have been published, no one is disputing the text chain. These fools talked about bombing targets before it was to happen and did so over The signal app, which they weren't supposed to be using. The problem isn't that a reporter was inadvertently added to their group text but the fact that they were using signal in the first place. All of these idiots need to be fired...the signal incident is what happens when you have the most unqualified Secretary of Defense we've ever seen.
Whelp... don't hold your breath... none of them are going to be fired.
They will continue to march on for another 4 years... these are determined people who don't care one whit about what the media thinks or says... or what "the Left" thinks about it.
Why should they?
Biden came out and called them and the 80+ million people who support them Domestic Terrorists, Traitors, etc. they jailed them, they attempted to murder some of them.
And now they are in control of the government... and I hope they steam roll every obstacle "the Left" tries to throw in their way... and jail every lunatic out there burning Tesla vehicles and stations and buildings and throw away the key and deport every one of the 10 million migrants that entered in for their free all-expenses-paid vacation to America.
"The Left" will get no sympathy from me... or the vast majority of the 80+ million Americans who voted for Trump.Biden is not the president. Trump is the president and he has put unqualified imbeciles in charge. Have you heard Tulsi speak the last 2 days in front of oversight committees? My god, she's a deer in the headlights. Absolutely perjuring herself.
And Trump's comments about the debacle today "I don't know, I don't know". Great leadership huh...
I would imagine that our allies are reconsidering sharing intelligence with us at this point. We look like idiots.I was in radar maintenance when I was in the Air Force. We had to send our capability status to headquarters everyday and it was encrypted. We were given a code of the day. The receiving end had to have the same code of the day or they could not decrypt the message.
What is concerning to me is that Signal is supposed to send encrypted messages. However, the journalist received clear text. There was no decrypt code and it looks like anybody can receive it on their cell phone if they have the app and are called from the far end..
What that means even though the message is encrypted when sent, but it does not need to be decrypted when received. The implication is anybody who receives Signal messages receive them in clear text.
Through the years I worked for many defense contractors on top secret stuff. I don't recall any screwup's in all those years.
I worked for the NSA and Strategic Air Command to develop recordkeeping procedures for the movement of classified coding materials through the entire Minuteman Missile launch code system. There were no screwups.
I worked for Hughes Aircraft at NATO headquarters to develop procedures for operating a system that detected the movement of Soviet Subs off our East Coast. There were no screwup's
In the United States, security clearances are generally categorized into three primary levels, although specific organizations or agencies might have additional nuances or tiers:
1. **Confidential:** This is the lowest level of clearance, granting access to information that could cause damage to national security if disclosed improperly.
2. **Secret:** A mid-level clearance that provides access to information that could cause serious damage to national security if shared inappropriately.
3. **Top Secret:** The highest standard clearance, reserved for information that could cause exceptionally grave damage to national security if compromised.
For Top Secret clearances, there can be further designations like **Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI)** or **Special Access Programs (SAP)**, which allow access to highly classified, specific information on a need-to-know basis. These are often referred to as "compartments" or additional layers within the Top Secret category.
The nature of what they were sending should have been at the top secret level using a SCIF facility.
A SCIF, or **Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility**, is a secure area designed to handle highly classified information. These facilities are used by government agencies, military organizations, and contractors to ensure that sensitive data remains protected from unauthorized access, electronic surveillance, or other security threats.
Key features of a SCIF include:
- **Physical Security:** Reinforced walls, doors, and windows to prevent unauthorized entry or eavesdropping.
- **Electronic Security:** Countermeasures against devices like microphones, cameras, or wireless signals to block interception or surveillance.
- **Access Control:** Restricted entry, often requiring ID badges, biometric authentication, or physical keys.
SCIFs are used to conduct sensitive meetings, analyze classified documents, and carry out operations involving national security. Whether it's at a military base or a mobile unit, these facilities are built to strict government standards outlined by organizations like the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) or the National Security Agency (NSA).You have had quite a impressive career. Completely agree, their conversation should have taken place in a SCIF. These people apparently don't know any better. Tulsi couldn't even recall what country she was in at the time of the conversation.
The attack plans were Classified.
End of story.
You are either OK that they were shared with a reporter BEFORE the attack or you care about US service members.
It can’t be both.Bipartisan letter to Pentagon inspector general implores investigation into Signal group chat leak...
The Republican chair and ranking Democrat on the Senate armed services committee have written to the acting inspector general of the Department of Defense, to demand an investigation of “Signalgate”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/liv … ws-updatesAs someone who regularly uses Signal for clearance-related work communication on my personal devices, I can only see three problems here:
1. Dudebro let a staffer set up the chat.
2. Goldberg knew better than to divulge the texts.
3. Signal would've warned them all about unencrypted numbers and screenshots being taken within the chat, leading this leak to seem intentional and purposeful.
The thing about Signal is that you have to be in-person when you set up your contacts in order to securely encrypt the communications. It gives you things to scan on all phones/devices involved, and each device must scan one another's codes. This process has to be repeated by every person for each person added to the communications, and it cannot be done remotely by any means due to time constraints and detection of image scanning.
Even further, Signal will warn you in several obvious ways if someone is not part of the encryption of the chat. So this says to me that Goldberg was part of the encryption process, and as such could also have DoD clearance to be part of such conversations, accidental inclusion or not. Assuming they were discussing things that threatened opsec, they'd have the messages set to delete automatically in seconds (set manually), and there's no way to recover them. Signal itself also warns everyone in the chat when someone takes a screenshot, and there's a feature that can be turned on so all screenshots come out black.
I'm mostly concerned with the motive for releasing the texts, as Goldberg being a seasoned veteran of his industries could well logically and confidently infer when a conversation would require clearance. This would bring into question whether or not Goldberg intended to threaten national security for the sake of personal gain, or he is simply incompetent beyond measure and was unaware of the proper channels through which to report this allegedly accidental inclusion of his in the chat.
With the way many of them were speaking, it was as if they were performing to a crowd anyways. Either they're all psychos who can't separate themselves from the idea of being in front of a crowd, or perhaps they meant for these to be leaked.
Signal is quite secure, and the use of it for major communications is commonplace in the field for the military these days. I have yet to see a serious opsec incident stemming from Signal itself."perhaps they meant for these to be leaked"
Funny how focus gets put on some issues that are being ignored... Only after the Media puts its focus on it in an attempt to destroy Trump.
Remember how they tried to destroy him over what was said about Haitian migrants in OH?
Think Americans would have understood or even known about it if the Media hadn't made such effort to try and destroy Trump over what he said?
Funny how a "reporter" happened to be added to that group chat...These fools were warned about signal
"A vulnerability has been identified in the Signal Messenger Application," begins the department-wide email, dated March 18 and obtained by NPR.
The memo continues, "Russian professional hacking groups are employing the 'linked devices' features to spy on encrypted conversations." It notes that Google has identified Russian hacking groups that are "targeting Signal Messenger to spy on persons of interest."
Moreover, a memo in 2023, obtained by NPR, warned of using Signal for any nonpublic official information...
Let's stop making excuses for these incompetent folks. They should have admitted their blunders to begin with instead of digging in and trying to defend their idiocy.
https://www.npr.org/2025/03/25/nx-s1-53 … nerabilityThey should admit that they messed up if the narrative is to be believed, I agree, but the vulnerability claims are disingenuous at best.
Just because the big scary (((Russian professional hacking groups))) are attempting to spy on encrypted conversations, it does not mean they're succeeding against their desired targets. They'd need to have all of the hardware information for the devices being used, and they typically obtain that not through Signal nor the devices themselves but through companies that harvest data but take little professional effort toward protecting said data, or they sell it to whoever is buying regardless of nation and loyalty putting Americans at risk.
I'd also need someone to point out exactly what about their conversation could have threatened opsec or national security in any way. Nothing was discussed outside of real-time updates that could've been livestreamed to Youtube if someone was willing and able on the ground in Yemen (literally anyone with an iphone could've livestreamed everything they were discussing with no threat to opsec), and weirdly-worded trash talk about Europe as if they knew they were pandering to someone outside of the conversation.Interesting... Military or IT security background?
Military background, but more relevant is my current clearances with law enforcement and state-level operations. I don't have DoD clearance, but proximity to individuals that do has taught me a lot, and I have to undergo most of the same training and certification on a more rigorous schedule. My dream is to be invited to work for a PMC.
Signal is our go-to, and the biggest vulnerability with it is the human factor. Second biggest is third-party data breaches on companies known to collect hardware data illegally.After reading the rest of your comments it became more obvious. But thanks for the explanation and good luck hooking up with the right gig.
Ever consider SpX or Starlink?I've given it passing thoughts, but I haven't done any research on the type of work they have available for someone with my background.
Management and supervision within private security contracting is a strange beast, and a 43 series MOS (I think they merged it into a 45 series now) background always seems to keep me limited.
My background is Top Secret Clearance with crypto access. Worked with the NSA and Strategic Air Command Headquarters on black box stuff. Created recordkeeping procedures for the movement of launch codes through the whole Minuteman missile complex, including Operation Looking Glass which gave them the capability to launch Minuteman missiles from anyplace in the world.
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Worked with NATO Headquarters to develop procedures for tracking the movement of Soviet Nuclear submarines operations off our East Coast.
All of this crap about having all the equipment needed to crack codes is just that. Our adversaries have organizations staffed with nerds that just look for bits and pieces of the puzzle to form actionable intelligence.
In WWII, the British were able to crack the German Enigma Code by noticing that one of the users signed off his messages the same way every time without out changing the coding wheels to the code of the day
Here is Operation Looking Glass. It is now declassified. It may scare you.
https://simpleflying.com/operation-looking-glass-guide/I have a little experience as well.
Honestly nothing ever scared me more than the idiots (Biden) that were just running the country and risking nuclear apocalypse.Ken,
I don't know about you, but when I was in the Army I saw much worse mistakes. They were something you learned from and put a process in place so it wouldn't happen again. It's that simple.
This uproar by the left is much to do about nothing.I'm curious, what did you do in the Army?
Funny, but I feel exactly the same way about Trump and his idiots.
I'm curious what did you do in the army?
Operation Looking Glass became TACAMO, and their call sign is SKYKING on the shortwave now, right?
It is similar in its concept to Looking Glass. They are both designed as dooms day missions. I don't know about call signs. I'm sure they are dependent on the mission.
I'm curious, what are the descriptions of series 43 MOS and 45 series MOS? Do they require security clearances? I was in the Air Force in radar maintenance. We had AFSC's which are similar to MOS.A 43 series is Public affairs, and specifically PMOS was a 4312 basic military journo with AMOS 4300 basic combat correspondent. 45 series is Communication Strategy and Operations. I think they absorbed my AMOS into 45 series.
Yes, both require Secret clearance minimum. I didn't continue federal service nor get an employer to sponsor my clearance post-separation, and I still kick myself to this day. I just went home and smoked weed every day for several years straight.
Happen to get a Sapper tab while doing radar maintenance? A lot of the technicians/mechanics I have met over the years had to go to Sapper school even if they were non-combat MOS, it made me jealous lol.So you were in the Marines? What was the nomenclature of the radar you worked on? I worked on the FPS-3 long range search, FPS-6, Height finder, and FPS-8, sector scanner. Also GPA-37 which was the backup for SAGE. It was used to train F-86D fighter pilots in the fine art of interception..
Yes, and apologies if I implied I had ever worked on radar in any meaningful way or have technical knowledge of it. I've met a lot of techs, mechanics, and sappers who have worked on/around/with radar, but my technical experience with most hardware goes no further than some fancy cameras, radios, and some specialized equipment that I never really had to touch myself. I was wondering if you had been able to go to sapper school as part of your job.
I am what many refer to as, "mechanically retarded," and usually prefer not to pretend I'm not lmao. If you hand me equipment to utilize and a mission to complete using it, I can damn well make magic happen, but ask me to fix something or learn to fix it, and it'll take me far longer than most to accomplish and retain.O.K., So that's fair. No Sapper school for me.. In basic training, we had a one week battery of aptitude tests. After those tests, I was given the choice or radio repair, radar repair, or intricate photo maintenance.
I chose radar repair. I had nine months of electronic fundamentals and three months of radar sets. After that I was assigned to an Aircraft Control and Warning Squadron (AC&W) in Cambria California overlooking the Pacific Ocean. I'm thinking about writing my Memoires. Anyway, I appreciate your candid honesty.
Let's get back to the topic at hand. I don't want to hijack this forum..
I'm convinced this was a part of the, "flood the zone," efforts as it concerns the administration's media policy.
The characters involved are all seasoned veterans of their respective postings and stature. The whole thing screams nothingburger.
The media needs to stop taking advantage of the public's disconnect, or even lack of capacity to absorb, filter, and process anything and everything they say. It's just a constant onslaught of hole-filled, vitriol-laced rhetoric. It's not good for any side.Signal Chat Leak Angers U.S. Military Pilots.
Men and women who have taken to the air on behalf of the United States expressed bewilderment after the leak of attack plans. “You’re going to kill somebody,” one pilot said....
“The whole point about aviation safety is that you have to have the humility to understand that you are imperfect, because everybody screws up. Everybody makes mistakes,” said Lt. John Gadzinski, a retired Navy F-14 pilot who flew combat missions from aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf. “But ultimately, if you can’t admit when you’re wrong, you’re going to kill somebody because your ego is too big.”
1215et: F-18s LAUNCH (1st strike package),” Mr. Hegseth texted, some 30 minutes before it happened.
Trigger Based’ F-18 1st Strike window Starts (Target Terrorist is @his Known Location so SHOULD BE ON TIME).”
This text was two hours in advance of the strikes.
“1410: More F-18s LAUNCH (2nd strike package).” And then, “1536: F-18 2nd Strike Starts — also first sea-based Tomahawks launched.”
That text gave almost three hours’ notice.
“It’s important to understand the degree that OPSEC is involved in every aspect of your life on an aircraft carrier,” said former Navy Capt. Joseph Capalbo, who commanded a carrier air wing and two F/A-18 squadrons, in a reference to operational security. “Red Sea ops are conducted in complete silence — no one is talking on the radio. Because everything can be heard by somebody.”
A former Air Force fighter pilot, Maj. Anthony Bourke, added: “When you disclose operational security, people can get killed.” He said that “these things are not taken lightly. I have never met anybody in the military who does not know this.”
The crew on the signal, are not "seasoned veterans". They are irresponsible , egotistical fools and it is just lucky that their idiocy didn't get someone killed.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/27/us/p … -leak.htmlLet's say that this indeed threatened opsec. They're all incompetent. Their devices were compromised from the start and they just got lucky in their mission success, but they still needed to communicate what was occurring in real-time.
What's the alternative to Signal for fast, encrypted, end user to end user communication? It's some of the best tech we've had in years. By the very quotes you've given, you can see the use of Signal is far more secure than our radios that can be listened to by anyone in the AO and often beyond.
Also, will there be consequences for all involved, such as for Goldberg who knowingly released what the media is calling threats to national security and opsec? I doubt it, because this was all intentional and purposeful.
This whole situation is fishy, and I don't like the smell. It should not be taken at face value."What's the alternative to Signal for fast, encrypted, end user to end user communication?"
A SCIF?. The situation room?
If those options aren't available, top officials can use a secure video teleconference system...
"This is a top secret network that beams them into the White House Situation Room if a member is traveling, a national security team accompanies them to set up a secure tent and other equipment to protect their communications."
“It's inconceivable to me that people would not use the classified channels that the government has spent so much time and effort and money over decades trying to make as uncompromisable as they can,” John Bolton...
Bottom line? This crew was either clueless or just lazy. Either way an investigation is warranted. They needlessly put service members lives at risk.
https://www.npr.org/2025/03/25/nx-s1-53 … ty-experts
https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2025/03 … leak-trumpEver seen a SCIF in the field? Acronyms are fancy, mostly meaningless words with descriptions created by desk jockeys who haven't spent any real time in the field. They're smoke and mirrors that look good on paper and in audits.
Last time I was in a SCIF, it was an abandoned building in the middle of a desert with the most state of the art equipment the US government could offer. You'd get sick if you spent more than thirty minutes in the room, and you'd have to rotate out to avoid passing out or puking.
We consistently faced security breaches, and at no point would I consider it any more secure than Signal, but I would consider it healthier and more convenient than a field SCIF."Ever seen a SCIF in the field?
You can Google or use AI to see where scifs are located. These folks should have gotten up off of their asses to put it bluntly.. let's not make excuses for them. They weren't in the middle of the desert or "the field" Most were enjoying the comfort of their own couches... Again, they chose to converse over an app they were warned against using and should have never been used for that type of information. They had appropriate options and they chose not to use them... Ultimately they chose to put service members lives at risk.I'm confused as to why you feel Signal isn't an appropriate option. The US military uses it for many different operations, and have full training pamphlets and programs to teach how to properly utilize the tools offered and avoid the human error that leads to these unfortunate releases.
It's a tool in the opsec tool bag. If no one is punished for this, the alleged leak was intentional and purposeful, and I'm putting money on that.
As for Google and AI showing you field SCIFs, it won't. A field SCIF is different than an established SCIF. The FBI, CIA, NSA headquarters are all SCIFs beyond their foyers, but they aren't hastily assembled like a field SCIF is. I'll take Signal over a field SCIF any day.
I already explained how all involved are at fault earlier in the thread, and how I'd be fired and lose clearance without further investigation in their alleged position. We can all agree that at face value this situation is FUBAR, but face value doesn't seem to be worth much here.Pete was texting attack plans hours before they were to occur. That type of information belonged in a SCIF or the situation room. I don't think I've come across anyone who believes otherwise. The info was highly classified at the time he wrote it, especially because the operation had not even started yet! Come on..."NSA employees were also warned to not send "anything compromising over any social media or Internet-based tool or application,". They should have known better. They should have had exercised better judgment. An investigation is needed to figure out why they acted in the manner they did.
I'll stop playing Devil's advocate for a second and focus on the probable, "Why," as for using Signal for these delicate communications:
I assume that the individuals involved in the situation all had access to assets on the ground that needed to be informed in real-time hours before contact was actually made on the ground so they could safely withdraw. This operation was probably Top Secret up until it was mobilized, and I wouldn't doubt that we bombed some of our own assets in Yemen.
However, I can picture some of these dorks sitting in their jammies at home, others in board rooms, some in the situation room with the President, and perhaps some laying on a beach sipping a martini and diddling their mistress. Setting up a SCIF, interrupting daily meetings, or otherwise being intrusive with what was a Top Secret operation prior to its mobilization wouldn't be feasible.
I'll even go as far as saying that perhaps they compartmentalized the operation, and no one knew it was being carried out except Hegseth and the assets involved to avoid the wrong assets being notified. No one in the intelligence community trusts one another, and compartmentalization is a big thing to ensure successful ops, so Signal was probably the best option for this due to the amount of last-minute communications that would have to be made to ensure opsec.
If you want a real-life example of compartmentalization preventing proper communication in the intelligence community, and even further leading to thousands of American deaths by the admission of the intelligence agencies, see the aftermath of 9/11. Compartmentalization is important, but it fails us, and Signal is a medium that assists in making compartmentalization a safer, more efficient practice.
At the end of the day, though, back to playing Devil's advocate for them and saying that this seems like an intentional and purposeful leak. I'm not taking it seriously beyond trying to discern what their goals were with the leak other than, "flooding the zone," per the administration's media policy.Well that answers my question from earlier.
Holy smokes! Maybe Jeffery Goldberg's phone was hacked and he didn't even know Signal was installed on his phone. Or maybe he installed it himself.
As I understand it when the account is setup and your phone number is registered, you will receive a verification code that has to be entered when prompted. But if Mike Waltz's phone was hacked, they could have put Jeffery Goldberg's phone number on his phone without him being aware of it.
One of the main features of the app is after a set amount of time, the message record is wiped clean from the server. That time can be from 30 seconds to four weeks, or not at all. That might have been the motivation for using the app instead of a SCIF. If a SCIF is used, a record is sent to the Federal Record Agency for accountability.
Perhaps, this group didn't want any record of accountability and that is why they used the app. The messages are decrypted and displayed in clear text, but Jeffery was able to make a copy of it. The other question is what was the set time before the message are wiped clean and who in the group sets that time?The silliness of the whole kerfuffle is my entire point, and I explained how the Signal encryption process works earlier in this thread, it is physically complex relative to other services of the same nature. The app has so many bells and whistles to warn of everything the media is saying was a no no, that at no point do I believe this wasn't intentional. It's the administration's media policy of, "flood the zone," in practice, and I'll bank on that when no one is punished, because it was all intentional and purposeful.
As for the accountability portion, I can't speak to what our highest leaders are allowed to do and are disbarred from doing. We've seen it time and time again at Trump's resort, Biden's garage/basement, Hillary's email server, etc. that they are seemingly allowed to do as they wish, play loose with the rules as it were.
If it were up to me, this behavior wouldn't go without heavy penalties in the form of communication restrictions, perhaps even fines for each infraction, and downgrades/restriction on clearance. In my years of using Signal for clearance-related work I've never accidentally had this crap occur, and if I did have it occur I'd be fired and lose my clearance without even so much as further investigation.
Comsec should be cutting edge and thru SIPRnet or equivalent separation from commercial nonsec coms.
If it's not that is a failure of another sort ...possible considering our government and the people who have made it the past couple of decades ...like Clinton with her private server full of classified information more than one entity hacked into.
The more they try to destroy him... the more Americans figure out it is "fake news"...
It helps that they lied about a dementia patient for four years... along with so much else that has made it impossible for any rational and relatively neutral political person to ignore.Ken, they discussed classified attack plans hours before they would occur on an app they were warned of using. The information could have been intercepted. Putting service members lives at risk. That is the matter. Not Biden. Not "fake news". It is the irresponsible behavior and lack of judgment of those put into high-level positions that they are unqualified for by Trump. End of story.
This Administration is further shooting itself in the foot by prolonging this debacle by skirting responsibility and doubling down on ridiculous rhetoric. They could have chosen the easier route, forcing some of these people out... But now we'll have an investigation that will almost certainly uncover more embarrassing idiocy.
Ken, what Trump said about the Haitians on national television was unacceptable, spreading rumors that had not been substantiated. And even if they were, was a national audience and stage the place to intimidate a group of people? Was that presidential?
That was dumb and Trump did it to himself, but he won regardless which tells me a great deal about America and Americans.No... I don't think it was dumb of him at all to make all Americans aware that one town in OH had 20,000 migrants dumped in it... doubling the town's size.
I think it highlighted what was occurring... where our tax debt was going... to foreigners.
Something all people surviving on Social Security... or suffering with 25% inflation should know... that the Biden Administration prioritized taking care of millions of migrants over American citizens.
Something Americans are becoming aware of right now... the Houthis and the crisis in and around the Suez Canal... been going on for well over a year but most Americans had no clue because the Biden Administration never wanted to highlight yet another of their massive failures.
I'm mostly concerned with the motive for releasing the texts, as Goldberg being a seasoned veteran of his industries could well logically and confidently infer when a conversation would require clearance. This would bring into question whether or not Goldberg intended to threaten national security for the sake of personal gain, or he is simply incompetent beyond measure and was unaware of the proper channels through which to report this allegedly accidental inclusion of his in the chat.
Kyler, that is a good question
Once you get over the astounding and reckless incompetence of whiskey Pete and other top members of trump’s so-called national security team plotting a military strike in Yemen over an unsecure app and with a reporter in the chat, there’s another, possibly worse shocker... Where was the "commander-in-chief?"
Mr. "I alone can fix it" was playing golf. The man responsible for the final decision to launch a strike was not in the White House Situation Room but at his golf club. His motorcade was recorded slipping into the gates of the Trump International Gold Club in West Palm Beach...
And when asked about the chat and the classified information that was contained within..
Well, that's what I've heard," the president said. "I don't know. I'm not sure. You have to ask the various people involved. I really don't know."
"I REALLY DON'T KNOW". let that sink in. Who is running this government?" they just got lucky in their mission success"
No. They didn't get lucky. The military is experienced and professional even if they are not.LOL.. hold my beer and my top secret information...
"Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, who is facing scrutiny over his handling of details of a military strike, brought his wife, a former Fox News producer, to two meetings with foreign military counterparts where sensitive information was discussed, according to multiple people who were present or had knowledge of the discussions.
One of the meetings, a high-level discussion at the Pentagon on March 6 between Hegseth and U.K. Secretary of Defense John Healey, took place at a sensitive moment for the trans-Atlantic alliance, one day after the U.S. said it had cut off military intelligence sharing with Ukraine. The group that met at the Pentagon, which included Adm. Tony Radakin, the head of the U.K.’s armed forces, discussed the U.S. rationale behind that decision, as well as future military collaboration between the two allies, according to people familiar with the meeting.
Defense officials told the Wall Street Journal that attendance lists for secretary meetings usually involve people with security clearances due to "the delicate nature of the discussions."
We have absolute idiots running this country.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_ … officials/
https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-s … s-c16db0eaOh my, who wants to talk hypocrisy?
The trump administration put a career DHS employee on leave and revoked her clearance for, get this...mistakenly adding a journalist to an email group.
DHS staffer punished for accidentally adding journalist to a group email, report says....
Baffling that Hegseth and Waltz are just scot free "journalist man is evil" and aren't even seeing repercussions and yet the administration fires somebody from the DHS for the same thing..
Please tell me maga, what's good for the goose is not good for gander?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation … rcna198233The public gets it. Trump can gaslight about Signalgate all he wants but this isn’t rocket science...a new YouGov poll shows 74% of us think it’s a serious problem.
Bottom line: Military operations should never be discussed on Signal
And then we have DOJ Barbie...
https://x.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1905279324753633772
This is SO wrong. She’s supposed to be America’s lawyer. She’s not supposed to be partisan at all. But instead, she’s clearly Trump’s lawyer. And she’s terribly partisan.... Sounds like a robot on top of it.This might come off super petty, but she isn't a natural blonde is she? Are those her roots I see staring me dead in the eyeballs?
LMFAO looks like roots to me . She needs to do better all the way around
And so nobody will be fired. And who can/wants to replace them anyway. Who wants to go through the Trump loyalist test, licking his boots instead of showing professionalism and know how.
2. The Russians listen in. And if top officials use Signal and think it's secure, not even checking who's in the group, than it shows a low competence for the job and a low digital know how.
3. The consequences of these leaks on the highest level is that the US allies can't trust to give the US their secret info anymore. The sharing of information between the US and Europe has changed. (the worst thing that can happen at times of war. And we are at war. With Russia and China..)National Security Adviser Michael Waltz and other senior officials used their personal Gmail account for government business, the Washington Post reports...
these fools just really don't have a clue do they? BUT, BUT HER (G)MAILS LOL
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national … nal-gmail/Willow, I am hoping that Musk getting his butt handed to him in Wisconsin just might emboldened a few Republican legislators to defy Trump and not fear being primaried as it was made apparent that Musk's "Midas Touch" is not infallible and can be overcome. Wisconsin has reassured us that the people are not totally mad, they sent an undeniable message to Trump and Republicans that their votes were not for sale.
Oops Whiskey Pete did it AGAIN...
Hegseth shared Yemen attack details in second Signal chat, reports say...
US Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth shared information about US air strikes on Yemen in a second private group on the Signal app, the BBC's US partner CBS has confirmed with sources familiar with the messages.
The messages, sent on 15 March, included flight schedules for American F/A-18 Hornets carrying out strikes on Houthi targets. The group included Hegseth's wife, brother and personal lawyer.
All the outlets are reporting on it.
Chose your source.
https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-s … s-e717ea84This is what happens when your only qualifications are a Fox News host and loyalty to dear leader. He probably wouldn't even qualify for a confidential clearance, let alone top secret. Trump probably granted him his clearance, just like he did with Jarred and Ivanka in his first term. They both were not qualified by the clearing agency, but Trump summarily granted both of them top secret clearances
When I applied for my top secret clearance with crypto access the clearing agency (DCAS) interviewed my neighbors and my relatives in Italy. It took a month for me to get my clearance and briefing. They pound it into your head. If you don't have a proven need to know, you don't get the information, Not only does he use Signal, but he shares his information with his wife, brother, and his lawyer. This must make dear leader look bad and he can't stand looking bad. It will be interesting to see how he handles damage control with this one..When Lloyd Austin didn’t notify the WH of his hospitalization, Republicans blew a gasket & called for him to resign but when Pete Hegseth risks the lives of pilots by sharing sensitive Yemen war plans on Signal, at least twice...where’s the Republican outrage.?
It really is to the point that this bunch could do absolutely anything and Maga will keep their mouth shut
Rep. Don Bacon (R-NE) has called for Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth to resign, becoming the first GOP member of Congress to do so:
"He’s acting like he’s above the law — and that shows an amateur person”
NBC reporting now says that the info whiskey Pete shared with his family came from a top general secure messages...
Why does Trump want to hang on to this Fox fool?Pete Hegseth just dropped a new episode of Signalgate! If you need to catch up, here is episode one where Hegseth shared classified war plans on an unencrypted messaging app with government officials and a reporter from The Atlantic and episode two where Hegseth shared the same classified war plans with his brother, wife and personal lawyer.
And now?...The Washington Post is reporting that Pete Hegseth wasn't happy just using Signal on his phone...he actually demanded that IT staff install it on his DESKTOP COMPUTER at the Pentagon in his office, which basically allowed his computer to serve as a "clone" of his unsecure cell phone.
This was his way to get around the ban on personal cellphones and electronic devices in the Pentagon - a staggering breach of security. These policies about devices are in place for this exact reason, but apparently Hegseth thinks he is above the rules - and the law.... Shocking huh?
Oh and he's having a makeup room installed in the Pentagon...LMAO you mean Lloyd Austin didn't have a makeup room??? Well to be fair, we all know how crucial makeup is in the Trump regime...
Midterms cannot come soon enough.What I dug up regarding makeup room --- The controversy surrounding the alleged $40,000 cost for a makeup studio at the Pentagon remains unresolved due to conflicting reports.
According to sources cited by CBS News, the project was initially estimated at over $40,000 but was later scaled back. The renovation, reportedly approved by Hegseth's wife, Jennifer Rauchet, and aide Tami Radabaugh—both former Fox News producers—included lighting improvements and a larger mirror to assist senior officials during media engagements.
People.com
However, the Pentagon's Rapid Response account dismissed the report as "trash," asserting that no specialized makeup studio exists and that the changes involved reused inventory.
People.com
As of now, no official documentation has been released to confirm the actual expenditures or the extent of the renovations. The lack of transparency has led to ongoing speculation and criticism regarding the project's necessity and cost.
The Signalgate — Currently, an investigation is in progress, led by Acting Inspector General Steven A. Stebbins, following bipartisan requests from the Senate Armed Services Committee. It’s probably best to take a wait-and-see approach before rushing to judgment on Pete. I don’t—and never will—support the idea of accusing, condemning, and only then searching for evidence. That’s justice in reverse, and unfortunately, too many seem to think that’s how it should work these days.I don't think most of us want taxpayer dollars used on makeup facilities for the Department of defense. Do your makeup on your own dime. It's not a Fox News studio. Kind of ironic that they rail against drag but need their own makeup facilities LOL...
Copy /paste from my original comment --- However, the Pentagon's Rapid Response account dismissed the report as "trash," asserting that no specialized makeup studio exists and that the changes involved reused inventory.
People.com
As of now, no official documentation has been released to confirm the actual expenditures or the extent of the renovations. The lack of transparency has led to ongoing speculation and criticism regarding the project's necessity and cost.
I prefer to believe the Pentagon spokesmen at this point. The article has no evidence of any expenditure. I mean this should have set the record straight thus far, I mean this is from your post --- "What I dug up regarding makeup room --- The controversy surrounding the alleged $40,000 cost for a makeup studio at the Pentagon remains unresolved due to conflicting reports." WillowWhy does Pete need to wear makeup? I find it odd. I don't think Lloyd Austin wore makeup?
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth had an internet connection that bypassed the Pentagon’s security protocols set up in his office to use the Signal messaging app on a personal computer, the Associated Press reports...
It's really amateur hour isn't it? Time for whiskey Pete to resign?
You know who didn't share classified war plans on a Signal chat twice? The four-star general Pete Hegseth fired for "DEI.".
But please tell me more about merit...Trump and his merry band of unqualified people are becoming a Sh*t show and this is just the beginning of his term.
And whiskey Pete just keeps on going...
"Pete Hegseth, the defense secretary, has abruptly banished the Pentagon’s Women, Peace and Security program as part of his crusade against diversity and equity – dismissing it as “woke divisive/social justice/Biden initiative” despite it being a signature Donald Trump achievement from his first term..."
LMAO .
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