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   Padrinoposted 13 years ago

   I'm embarrassed to admit this but I voted for Barack Obama, I bought into the lies he told and supported him. More than a year later I realize he is not the man he presented himself to be in fact he is a complete fabrication. In light of that I decided to check what others thought about him, this poll shows he is not loved like he once was.
   
   http://www.rasmussenreports.com/scorebo … he_numbers

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      Dog On A Missionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Good for you Padrino.
      
      I 've also got suckered by politicians before. I don't think that the solution to your problems lies with the mainstream Republican party either.
      
      But you already knew that didn't you?
      
      Sarah Palin vs. Barak Obama?
      
      Yikes!
      
      Not much of a choice is it?
      
      If you are wondering why the politcal scene is so screwed up in the United States and around the world (its just as bad in Britain) you'll need to accept that the right-left political paradigm is a complete fraud.
      
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnOftybrDzs

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         Arthur Fontesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         
         
         
         This is very true.

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         Faybe Bayposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         The best way I have ever seen it put!

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   Ohmaposted 13 years ago

   I did not vote for him. My opinion of him has not changed. he is now and always was a fake in my opinion.

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   starme77posted 13 years ago

   He Sucks

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   Arthur Fontesposted 13 years ago

   I knew that the first lady was not proud to be an American until her husband received the nomination.
   
   I knew his pastor for 20 years hates America.
   
   I even knew that one of his campaigners was willing to take care of the white woman OJ style.
   
   I did not realize that he would try to dismantle the country.

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      Doug Hughesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      What's the 'dismantle the country' bit? Who said it? Glenn or Rush...
      
      Two days ago it was 'We are a Republic not a democracy'....
      
      Little conservative borgs - trying to assimilate
      
      I can hardly wait for the next talking point...

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         Arthur Fontesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I am quite capable of thinking for myself.
         
         Damn sometimes you are truly condescending.
         
         Intoolectual elitist.

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            Doug Hughesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Rover said - "I am quite capable of thinking for myself."
            
            You be sure and let us know in advance when that's gonna happen. None of us want to miss the event.

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               Arthur Fontesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Isnt it time you change your depends and mosey off to bed.

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                  Doug Hughesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  scintilating reply.

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                     Arthur Fontesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     I thought of that all by myself.
                     
                     Impressed huh?

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                        Doug Hughesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Don't give up your day job.

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                           Arthur Fontesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           That was not original Tsk Tsk.

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            creepyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            thats funny

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   Arthur Fontesposted 13 years ago

   That is not true I knew.

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   Doug Hughesposted 13 years ago

   From pollster.com August 7, 2008
   
   "If anyone has any doubts about Rasmussen's bias, just take a look at the following page and how almost every finding of theirs favors McCain, and McCain is the first identified in virtually every story."
   
   Despite their spin, we know haw that turned out.....

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      Paul Wingertposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      When Obama was elected, suddenly it was cool to be an American once again. With the health care law enacted, the US now can finally be a 1st World Country. For you Rush Limbaugh and Bush lovers out there, get over it! It'll take another $4 trillion and 8 years to fix the screw ups of the last 8+ years!

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         Arthur Fontesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         
         
         How did you feel about being an American before he was elected?

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            Doug Hughesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Speaking for myself, I have always been proud to be an American, but Bush-Chenney was a national embarasment. The creation of international gulags and the defense of torture by the governement is a disgrace. As an Amerrican, I am proud of what we are becoming.

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               Arthur Fontesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Never in my life have I been anything but proud to be an American.  For me it was Janet Reno who woke me up to what could be done by an out of control govt.
               
               Bush almost achieved a police state with his actions. I was fearful of the central govt since the inception of the patriot act.
               
               Now I am seeing control of our very lives being accomplished.
               
               
               Prometheus was correct.  The agenda is being controlled by greater forces than what the media displays as those in power.
               
               It does not matter what the labels are the results are the same.
               
               Less freedom less personal rights and less property rights.
               
               Unless we pull back the curtain and expose the puppetmasters there is not much we can do.

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         Paul Wingertposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Almost forgot, does anyone know when Rush is leaving for Costa Rica; another country with universal health care? Or is he full of crap like he is 98% of the time?

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            Arthur Fontesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Why do you listen to Rush?

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               Doug Hughesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               He's the Pope of the GOP.

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                  Paul Wingertposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Lol - Pope of the GOP. I read about Rush's anouncement from another Hub member. I don't listen to the ham.

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         Danny R Handposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         could'nt have said it better myself! Thank you.

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            creepyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            so you both said whatever it was you said badly
            
            martin and lewis

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         Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Amen, Paul! With the passage of health reform Obama secured his place in history among the best presidents.

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            Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            LOL! You mean he secured his place as among the most corrupt presidents. He also secured his ticket back to Chicago in 2012.

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            Friendlywordposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            You know what? 
            This has to be killing the Tea Bag crowd. They can't bring up anything bad about this President,(no Dresses or shady land deals, no Congressional investigations)... and, he's doing a great job keeping his promises.  No wonder some in the Right Wing have lost their minds and resorted to violence.

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               Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               "This has to be killing the Tea Bag crowd. They can't bring up anything bad about this President"
               
               Don't worry, the special prosecutor will be along shortly. Paging Mr. Sestak...

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               Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               " No wonder some in the Right Wing have lost their minds and resorted to violence"
               
               
               And why have some in the Left Wing lost their minds and resorted to violence?

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                  Friendlywordposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  For Real...wouldn't someone be embarrassed by such a childish response Excuse me while I fall off my chair laughing!

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   Pr0metheusposted 13 years ago

   Rasmussen reports is inherently biased, so it won't really matter.  Either way, everything would have turned out the exact same if McCain was selected.
   
   Democrats and republicans are the same integral aspect of evil.
   
   The matrix is a system, Neo, and that system is our enemy.  When you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, Teachers, Lawyers, Carpenters, the very minds of the people we are trying to save.  But until we do, these people are part of the system, and that makes them our enemy.  You have to understand that most of these people are not ready to be unplugged.

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      Friendlywordposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I'm sure you are laughing at yourself as much as everybody else is right now...
      
      That was really good.  I fell off my chair!

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         Pr0metheusposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Not really a funny topic.  Wake up.

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      Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      "Either way, everything would have turned out the exact same if McCain was selected."
      
      Yeeeeaaaah, maybe not...

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   Brenda Durhamposted 13 years ago

   You already brought up the next talkin' point, Doug.
   
   You're afraid to be seen as "torturing" terrorists??
   
   I bet you're FOR killin' the unborn though, huh?

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      Doug Hughesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I am against torture. It is immoral. You get your undewear in a wad over what two adults do in private if they are the same sex, certain you can judge what's moral. You are all for inflicting pain on someone who's not had his day in court but doesn't deserve it because he's Moslem.  The words contempt and disgust describe my feelings about torture.
      
      I am for a woman's right to have control over her own body and control over the the fetus that's part of her - until the fetus is viable. At that point it's no longer an elective option. I don't know anyone who approves of abortion. I accept it  as the lesser of 2 evils in some cases - and only the woman who's pregnant has the authority to decide when  to deliver and when to abort.
      
      Conservatives yap about how the government is taking away individual rights - but it's conservatives who want to torture the accused and deny a woman control over her body.. Who is tyrannical?
      
      So glad you gave me the chance to clarify.

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         creepyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         and you get your panties in a wad over water being poured onto the face of child killers
         
         your priorities are askew!

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         Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         "You are all for inflicting pain on someone who's not had his day in court but doesn't deserve it because he's Moslem. "
         
         Are you saying that Muslims specifically don't deserve pain for the reason that they are Muslim? So, people of other faiths do deserve pain?
         
         "I am for a woman's right to have control over her own body and control over the the fetus that's part of her - until the fetus is viable."
         
         And when exactly is that? And are you for a woman's "right" to kill her own children after they are born? After all, they wouldn't survive on their own...
         
         Disgraceful, murderous, BS

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      Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      You can't by definition kill something that isn't born.  I know it isn't written that way in "the" bible, but the truth rarely is.

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   ddsurfscaposted 13 years ago

   As with any government, or ours after an election, he is definately a lesser of two evils.  One other thing, have you ever noticed that when everyone screams we want change, we want change, then they get it, they are never happy.  You then hear, OMG look at this, he is changing things all wrong.  All's I can say is if YOU think you can do better, do it for God's sake.

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      PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      At its core, the hysterics are all about fear of change, fear of losing personal advantage, fear that giving someone else a leg up will somehow pull them down. The change will happen, the fear will peak, and eventually some of the worst screamers about the dire consequences of change will deny that they ever said or did the ridiculous, hysterical things that they said and did.  They'll revise history in their minds so that they can live with themselves.
      
      I've seen it before, just like it's happening now, and it will happen again in the future.

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         Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         "At its core, the hysterics are all about fear of change, fear of losing personal advantage, fear that giving someone else a leg up will somehow pull them down. "
         
         Typical liberal attitude. It can never be an honest disagreement about how best to do something, it always has to be a 'fear' or 'lack of information' or anything but believing there is a better way to do something.

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    GoGrannyposted 13 years ago

    I am not very political...and I am learning alot from reading these forum posts. I do have a question...what exactly is the reason people do not want a better healthcare plan? Do all of the people against the reform bill work for the insurance companies?

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       GoGrannyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Oh, and I liked your comment ddsurfsca!

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       Madame Xposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       No, everyone wants a health infrastructure that works for everyone. I think many here, myself included, don't think this bill is the way to do that.
       
       Great name BTW

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          GoGrannyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          thanks!

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       Arthur Fontesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I think most people would like to see insurance reform.
       
       Some people would like to see this happen at the state level and some people want the federal govt to control it.
       
       One side wants to force every American to purchase insurance or pay a fine and one side wants to leave that choice to the individual.
       
       Massachusetts has already proven that it can be done at the state level with both democrat and republican bipartisanship in the enacting of the legislation.
       
       Ma is already having a tough time in paying for it though.
       
       That is my take on it anyway.

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          Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Exactly. Most people support the idea of reform, but the clear majority clearly, loudly, and repeatedly told these arrogant SOBs that they did not want this bill and certainly not shoved down our throats against our will this way. There will come a reckoning in Nov. for this unprecedented arrogance, corruption, and disregard for the Constitution.
          
          Liberals cannot wrap their pointy little heads around the concept that anyone would want to accomplish a goal in any other way than theirs. This is why they offered the gracious 'opportunity' to swallow anything they cooked up whole and unaltered or to STFU and go away while they did their dirty deals behind locked doors.

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          Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          "Massachusetts has already proven that it can be done at the state level "
          
          MA has proven that it doesn't work. The state is already $4billion in the hole and counting and premiums continue to rise at unprecedented rates.

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             Doug Hughesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             MA has proven that it doesn't work. The state is already $4billion in the hole and counting and premiums continue to rise at unprecedented rates.
             
             replymore → Sounds like if it can't be done at the state level is MUST be done at the federal level. Good point, SabOh.
             
             The only  state that has done it successfully (40 years) is Hawaii. They have a mandate for employers to offer health insurance providing for near universal coverage. Rush loved the quality when he had chest pains - and had to wipe egg off his face when the truth came out.

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                Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                " Sounds like if it can't be done at the state level is MUST be done at the federal level. "
                
                What brilliant logic   

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       Danny R Handposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Go Granny, it's a bit deeper than that. I want to start by saying I myself fully support the new bill. Having said that, alot of people are concerned with, One: the economic issues concerned with this bill both on a federal and a state level. The bill outlines methods to pay for the programs involved, yet these are TRUELY estimates and guesses based on alot of economical information. People worry that those estimates and guesses are wrong and this bill will drive our nation MUCH deeper in debt, which we CANNOT afford. Also, on a state level, although the federal government regulates the law, and pays PART of the cost, a heavy burden of that will fall on state governments. At this time, with our going through such a difficult economic time, the states are having a very difficult time of it as it is. Kansas City Mo. announced just a couple weeks ago that they were closing nearly half of thier urban schools due to budget deficits. Also, a small town in GA. was closing thier police station because of costs. So they are struggling now, and fear the added stress on thier systems from the cost they will infer. Secondly: they don't like the idea of a mandate on insurance. The idea that they are being forced to buy something, just does not sit well with them.
       I support the bill because knowing these obstacles, I feel STRONGLY that with a nation of our size, we need to look at whats good for ALL sometimes over the need of me. I understand thier worries and fears, yet the direction the bill leads us, although painful in the growing process, I believe it is better for our nation in the end. I also know from our history that we as a nation don't like change, but when forced to, we adjust and overcome quite well. So I support the bill, with faith in the American people, as hard as that is for me at times.

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          Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          " I feel STRONGLY that with a nation of our size, we need to look at whats good for ALL sometimes over the need of me. "
          
          
          Empty emotional nonsense. A majority of Americans are oppposed to this stupid bill, not to the idea of health care reform.

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    Friendlywordposted 13 years ago

    Hi Arthur
    Would you clarify this statement:
    "I even knew that one of his campaigners was willing to take care of the white woman OJ style."

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       Arthur Fontesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       But on the night of Obama's victory, Jesse Jr. had this to say to the Washington Post about the inadvisability of Obama going negative against Hillary Clinton: "The natural reminder here is O.J. [Simpson]—how does an African-American candidate attack a white woman?"
       http://www.slate.com/id/2181356/

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          Friendlywordposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Thank you Arthur.  Very bad choice of words for Jr. But the advice itself was dead on.  Why do think she was so "Passionate" during her Campaign? She was hoping to get an angry response from the ANGRY BLACK MAN. The Man wouldn't even give her a frown. That's why she and Bill lost their minds and the Campaign.

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             Arthur Fontesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             She did not realize the machine that the Obama campaign created online.
             
             He definitely has changed the way that campaigning will be done in the future.
             
             Scott Brown also ran an impressive national internet campaign at the state level.

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             livewithrichardposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             She made the mistake of taking on the role of Daffy Duck instead of Bugs Bunny... Always clinching her fists and being very angry and animated where Obama took the role of Bugs, calm, collective, always ready for that ah ha gotcha moment. LOL look it up, the Daffy Duck vs Bugs Bunny has applied to nearly every presidential campaign in the past 40 years.

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                Friendlywordposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                So simple and so right!

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    habeeposted 13 years ago

    Ummm...Doug, how do you explain the CNN poll on Obama's popularity??

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    SirDentposted 13 years ago

    AFter glancing through this thread I thought I should put something in it.
    
    So many cannot be trusted as reliable sources that it is actually funny. One says Rush is biased while another says CNN is biased, etc. . and don't even mention Fox News!
    
    It goes on and on. The fact is this. None can be trusted. They are all liars, including the current president.

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       Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Especially the current president

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    livewithrichardposted 13 years ago

    "So many cannot be trusted as reliable sources that it is actually funny. One says Rush is biased while another says CNN is biased, etc. . and don't even mention Fox News!"
    
    Very true.  The democrats and republicans will always be opposing forces but they are united in being against a 3rd party.  I seen this the other day: Why is it that we can only have 2 viable candidates for President but have 50 candidates for Miss America?

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    JON EWALLposted 13 years ago

    HUBBERS
    Obama showed the nation how things can get done, Chicago style.
    
    Money, power and just plain wheeling and dealing the taxpayers money without even a conscious.
    
    Obama just showed the ugly side of how Washington operates. Remember he promised to bring change to Washington.
    
    There is many of our fellow citizens thinking he is the greatest.The vice president made a comment in Obama's ear for all of the party members.
    
    WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR JOBS!

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       Glenn S.posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Jobs are the issue.
       Obama goes for his glorious heath bill instead of using his political resources to create jobs. What a waste of political capitol.
       
       I wonder if this heath insurance will pay my rent and put food on the table.

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    Denno66posted 13 years ago

    Depending on the government to take care of us? Hmmm, that's a novel concept.

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       creepyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       its a scary concept

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       lorlie6posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Hey Denno!!!  How are you?  Sorry to butt in here, folks, just had to say 'hi' to an old pal!

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    robbyismposted 13 years ago

    I too am sorry to say that I voted for Obama. I believed his promises. If I were in his shoes, I would of concentrated on the housing industry and unemployment first! O.K. so the car industry faulters, it would be just a matter of time before new dealerships and corporations took ground and opened up. The banks? We shouldn't of given them a dime! What have they done for us? Though there are buy outs and takeovers, any kind of business that offers services for a need will always be around! If the first order of business was taking care of the real estate situation, the banks would of survived without needing money because as the market adjusted the loss could be written off on adjusted mortgages making them affordable to homeowners. The people would still own their homes and even though it's less money the banks take in, the banks would still get incoming money from the revised mortgages. Instead, they hold onto an abundance of abandoned homes that cost them alot to maintain! I feel bad for those who have families and have lost their homes. I believed that the agenda was going to be,    housing,unemployment, healthcare, car industry and then the banks. But what do I know?

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    Cagsilposted 13 years ago

    Hmmmm......? Poll on Obama.  Absolutely useless.
    
    Try asking a homeless person about Obama and what he has done for them?
    
    Try asking the wealthy folks if he is doing them any favors with huge increases in taxes?
    
    Try asking the school system if their teachers are paid for and if they have the right books for teaching?
    
    Try asking the soldiers overseas if Obama actually has their best interests?
    
    Polls are subjective, because they do not encompass everyone in the Nation, who are actual citizens.
    
    The Government and all it's agencies, lack the understanding to grow America- it is obvious now, more than it ever was before.
    
    Is Obama good for this Nation? No. Did I vote for him? No, I did not.

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    livelongerposted 13 years ago

    I voted for Obama and continue to be happy that he's actually doing what he said he would do in the campaign, and not something the far-left and conservatives imagined he said he would do.
    
    He said he would reform health care - was repeatedly clear about this - and he actually did it. He even reached out and tried to make a bipartisan effort of it. Too bad the Republicans wanted to make this his Waterloo, and made every possible effort to sabotage it. Too bad for the Republicans.

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       Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Turns out it was his Waterloo.  And he is Wellington.

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          Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu1q17rUkVU

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             Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             WOW!  Now THAT is offensive.

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                Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                I know...dig those outfits!

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       Padrinoposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       No he did not include Republicans they were literally locked out of talks until the media reported about it and he couldn't hide it.
       
       And he hasn't reformed anything, he has signed a bill that will increase the debt and drive private businesses out of business.
       
       So, all he has done is prove to me and many others he is not able to lead and will be removed from the office of the President in 2012.
       
       In November the Democrats will most certainly lose the Senate and the house will shift closer to an even entity.

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          livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.co … o-meet.php
          
          My only question is why someone so quick to toe the FoxNews talking points line would claim to have voted for Obama?

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             Padrinoposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             I don't know what the FOX talking points are and couldn't care less. I am an independent voter and I voted for the guy I thought was the better leader. I was wrong in that regard and no FOX news didn't tell me what to think, I seldom watch any news anymore.

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    sandieganlizposted 13 years ago

    Does anyone here realize that the Federal government is limited in what they can do with regards to state issues, such as unemployment, housing, etc.? The feds are here to make laws, govern the states, and uphold the Constitution. They do not create the economy--that's up to the market which is created by businesses and consumers. You cannot blame the President for not making enough change--what kind of change did you expect? That the markets go up and running as if the President can turn on a light switch to do so? That the President pump in more printed money just to make everyone happy even though he can't back it up with enough gold? I mean, what did the nation really expect Obama to do--sell houses? It's not his job. He is here to sign bills into law, declare and mandate war, and govern the states. He is not a miracle-worker, and his team can only do so much. What the feds really should be doing is devising a national transportation highway with either a high-speed railway or a system that can get people from state to state quickly and competitively so that we, as Americans, have highly-developed transportation systems. (National highways are a Federal matter.) We need to stay competitive with other nations in regards to transportation, technology, and communication. Go U.S.A.!

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       Padrinoposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       He doesn't govern the States, where did you get the idea that the feds control the States?

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          sandieganlizposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          From the fact that Congress makes sure the States are following federal law and upholding Constitutional rights. Isn't the federal government the padrino?

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             Padrinoposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             No, the federal government is not the Padrino. They require States to act in accordance with the Constitution and federal laws that they can enforce on the them in a limited manner. that pretty much is the extent that they can get involved.
             
             States govern themselves, haven't you noticed all States have legislatures?

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                sandieganlizposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                yeah, I know States govern themselves, but they got a commander to report to...state legislature is usually over-ruled by federal law...but, now that I think about it, it seems states have more power over the feds. Interesting...perhaps I'm thinking back in the1800s when it seemed like the feds controlled the land more than the states. You find a pound of gold, you gotta give half to the federal government. Nowadays, you just give a percentage according to how much you keep in your portfolio. Either way, we're all united except for the fact that yeah, the feds can't do squat for individual states, which means they can't do squat for each county, city, and the streets where unemployment, business, and houses exist. Ni modo!!

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    Ralph Deedsposted 13 years ago

    Here's a little "minor" Obama accomplishment
    
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/27/world … semailema1
    
    WASHINGTON — President Obama finalized a new arms control treaty with Russia on Friday that will pare back the still-formidable cold war nuclear arsenals of each country. The agreement brings to fruition one of the president’s signature foreign policy objectives, just days after he signed into law the most expansive domestic program in decades.
    Related
    
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          Text: Administration’s Remarks on the Arms Control Treaty (March 27, 2010)
    
    Ending a year of sometimes topsy-turvy negotiations, Mr. Obama and President Dmitri A. Medvedev of Russia sealed the deal in a morning telephone call, confirming resolution of the last outstanding details. They then announced they will fly to Prague to sign the treaty on April 8 in a ceremony designed to showcase improved relations between the two countries.
    
    “With this agreement, the United States and Russia, the two largest nuclear powers in the world, also send a clear signal that we intend to lead,” Mr. Obama said, appearing in front of reporters at the White House to announce the agreement. “By upholding our own commitments under the nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, we strengthen our global efforts to stop the spread of these weapons, and to ensure that other nations meet their own responsibilities.”
    
    Mr. Obama was flanked by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
    
    “It took patience, it took perseverance,” Mr. Obama said, referring to the months-long talks. “But we never gave up.”
    
    In Moscow, the Kremlin hailed the accord.

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       Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       "In Moscow, the Kremlin hailed the accord."
       
       Of course they did. Putin intimidated the skinny kid into doing what he wanted - again.

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          Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          God forbid the world have arms controls 
          
          What is the world coming to?

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    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    Obama is a mad genius. They make a huge mistake those who underestimate him.
    Things may look bleak, but I see wonderfulness in the future. This is just the start.
    
    And it's only spoiled people crying now. This is not meant in a bad way, but a certain portion of you have had a very nice time at everyone else's expense.
    The horror of the last admintration was shoved off by you, because it was to your liking.
    
    But believe me, it was misery, embarrasment, horror.
    So, if you are feeling that way now, well--I can sympathize. But don't expect any sympathy.
    
    We are where we are because of that rogue regime.
    Obama and the dems are steering us back on course. It's a big pile of mess that can only be untangled bit by little bit.
    
    And I like the fact that they DON'T veer off course....now they know who the enemies are.

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       GoGrannyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I think you said it well. This is what many are thinking.

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       PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I was truly embarrassed to have GWB representing the United States to the rest of the world.  It has been gratifying to watch Obama begin to restore sanity and class to the presidency.  Unfortunately, I was recently reminded of the horror that was our former president when I watched in amazement as he shook hands with a Haitian then wiped is hand on former President Clinton's shoulder.  {{{{{shudder}}}}}
       
       The guy doesn't have a clue about decency.

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    AEvansposted 13 years ago

    Politics is not normally my forte' however I will still stand behind our President and his decisions. It may look bleak right now but I believe it will eventually calm down and every American will be accepting of the reform. Right now it looks a little scattered so many of us fear change but when the dust settles we will be appreciative.
    
    The only thing that is discerning to me is the threats to government officials, people need to grow up and act responsibly. If anyone had to walk in those shoes, would any of us enjoy being threatened? If you do not like something discuss it tactfully, don't threaten, persecute, shoot or try to kill someone over a health reform bill. It is childish and absolutely absurd!
    
    No need to attack my comment it is only my opinion and like any American in the United States I am entitled to express it. I also felt bad for Bush because we as Americans beat him down too. If we vote our Presidents in we should stand behind them, how weak we become when we decide that we have made wrong choices. Don't be ashamed of your choice and always stand behind your decision regardless if it was right or wrong that is what makes you an individual.

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    thisisoliposted 13 years ago

    I am glad Obama is in charge because, lets face it, he is doing a better job than Bush.
    
    People talk about how bad this healthcare bill is, but Obama said right from teh start that he was going to change America, and thats what America voted for. 
    
    Obama mentioned this change would include healthcare reform, and America loved him for it.
    
    Now America is up in arms simply because the health care reform will include those who need to file for credits to support insurance payments doing a little extra paperwork, and those who can afford it don't want to support healthcare for those who dont, even it seems those who voted for Obama knowing that he wanted to lay the groundwork for a national healthcare system in America.
    
    At least that's how it looks from here.
    
    America should take a look at other healthcare systems around the world, and instead of bickering and making it more complicated, why don't they actually use this opportunity to create a healthcare system which will work without any of the legacy problesm like we suffer in England.
    
    This could have been much better if the Republicans had helped tom increase the value of this proposition, rather than strip away as much of it as they could.

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       Padrinoposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       "I am glad Obama is in charge because, lets face it, he is doing a better job than Bush."
       
       If by good job you mean spending more money that we don't have, then you are correct, he is better than Bush at that.

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          thisisoliposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Bush is the one that created the defecit problem in the first place! at least Obama is leading things towards economic recovery.

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    Ralph Deedsposted 13 years ago

    Obama racked up two important accomplishments in a single week--the historic health care reform bill and a nuclear arms treaty with Russia. Not bad for one week. Looks like he's earning the Nobel Prize.

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       thisisoliposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Haha the nobel prize thing was a joke, is anybody actually what they gave it to him for?

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          Kenrick Chatmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          As an award to live up to - a plea for no more preemptive wars and to end the current Iraq/Afghan Wars.
          
          A plea for the US to set an example by promoting diplomacy and peace more often instead of resorting to war too quickly.
          
          Also Obama did not vote in favor of the preemptive Iraq war.

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             Padrinoposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             He didn't vote for it because he wasn't an elected official able to vote for it. Had he been in the Senate at that time he would have voted as his cohorts did.
             
             And the Nobel Prize isn't given to someone to live up to, its given to those who have actually accomplished something, and he hadn't at that point.

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                Kenrick Chatmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                He is on the right course for earning his award.

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                   Padrinoposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   You don't really get this do you?

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                      Doug Hughesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                      The Nobel Prize was the 'He's Not Bush" Award indicating how relieved the world is that sanity has a home in the White House. Yeah, he's earning it.

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       Padrinoposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Its too bad he can't bring this Country together.

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          AEvansposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          All we have right now is hope and faith.

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    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    It's not up to Obama to bring us together. He's done more than his share. He's going right along and doing his job.
    We, on the other hand, have a lot of work to do.
    well, you do.
    
    You Republicans need to decide if you are part of this country or not.
    And if you all secede to Texas or something, at least pay the rest of us back for all the socialist things you got from all of us. Your roads, hospitals, schools, parks, airports, transporation systems, police, fire, etc etc.
    You can pay back in yearly installments. And maybe pay a toll or tax to do business in other states?
    It can be worked out.
    And please--will you recruit Romney? He can be your president, so it gets him out of our airspace.
    Oh, I'm liking this idea. You will be happy, and we will be happy.
    Then we can get on with living, instead of fighting for life.
    
    Gosh-I feel free already.

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       Padrinoposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       You better tax those who secede, if the liberals are left to their own devices they will starve to death.

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          JWestCattleposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Excellent response.

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             Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             How do people in those countries you consider socialist survive?

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                JWestCattleposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Historically at its worst, they stood in line.

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    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    Nobody intimidates Obama...that's what you're not getting.

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       Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       LOL! Ask Putin about that one!
       
       
       You must be the world's champion koolaide drinker.

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          Danny R Handposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Apparently, Obama has intimidated you.

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             PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Great observation.  Obama scares the sh!t out of them.  That's why they're so pissed.  Anger is a secondary emotion.  Fear is a primary one.

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       nikki1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       A man in congress called the Honorable Obama "A LIER". If Reagan was alive do you think he would allow that kind of conduct. Obama forgave the jerk. That is totally unprofessional. Its also sad how all our white presidents that were white never got this kind of slack, in my opinion. Like he is getting. This is outrageous. Again, in my opinion. We did well voting for him. His inaugural address when he became President was beautiful. How he presented himself.
       Smiles to all.

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          Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I don't think you used "slack" the way you intended to in that post.

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             nikki1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Yea I did.

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                Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                To give (or cut) someone slack: "to give someone a break; to allow someone a reprieve from the consequences of an action."
                
                
                You were thinking of "flack"

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             Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Understandable, you seldom think!

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          Arthur Fontesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          A supreme court justice yelled out "That is not True" to Obama during the state of the union speech.
          
          That is not true =  You Lie
          
          Ps:  He does lie.

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    thisisoliposted 13 years ago

    i'm with Padrino on the nobel prize thing, it kinda devalues the whole thing when it is given away like that.

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    thisisoliposted 13 years ago

    Rather than being starved by the republicans?

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    Uninvited Writerposted 13 years ago

    Well, we have health care and social programs and I'm not starving...

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       JWestCattleposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Goody for you, you like lines.  Have some respect for Americans who do not, you know, the ones who eek out an existence on peanut butter sandwiches, egg sandwiches, and mac and cheese and work crap jobs and fight to keep their eyes open in college classes, and finally after 8 long years they get their degree, and their parents are so proud.  Work ethic, odd how that is NEVER part of a liberal vocabulary anymore.

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          Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I don't usually have to line up and I believe in hard work.
          
          And you don't think that some of those people who eke out an existence might also be liberals? It sounds like what I went through and still go through at times. But I was also helped at times and I believe in paying back and helping others.

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       Arthur Fontesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Do you have a garden? lol

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    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    "Mr Obama set out expectations that Israel was to satisfy if it wanted to end the crisis, Israeli sources said. These included an extension of the freeze on Jewish settlement growth beyond the ten-month deadline next September, an end to building projects in east Jerusalem and a withdrawal of Israeli forces to positions held before the second intifada in September 2000.
    
    After failing to extract a written promise of concessions on settlements, Mr Obama walked out of his meeting with Mr Netanyahu but invited him to stay at the White House, consult with advisers and “let me know if there is anything new.”
    ****
    You see? Un-intimidatable!
    Bout time we had a pres like that!
    Bout time we stop being pushed around, led by the nose!
    
    I'm doin the Happy Dance!
    
    ...cautiously....peepin out at maybe justice?...maybe fair brokering?....maybe an end to the iron-fisted horror that we are paying for?...

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    nikki1posted 13 years ago

    I voted for him and I am glad. He is making a huge difference, in my opinion.

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       Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       He sure is. An historic health care reform bill and wrapping up a nuclear weapons control treaty all in one week.

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          Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Yes, but who has he invaded or water-boarded?

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             Danny R Handposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Hopefully Cheney soon!

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          Danny R Handposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Even more interesting is what he is doing with finance regulation(reform). give it about two weeks, if that and then look at the buzz on hub. If you ask me he is one hell of a president! In the good way!

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          nikki1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Its not all Obama now, the Rep.s and Dem.s are involved in the
          bills. All Obama is trying to do is ask for ideas/lets work together to make this world a better place and is a mover and a shaker. We all see on the news what he is trying to do, realistically. This thread is a little out there "so to speak" you have got to be kidding. He went after AIG for taking all that money. The list goes on.. .
          Have a great day one and all.

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       PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Yes, and it's only been a little over a year.

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          nikki1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

          In my opinion he definitely deserves the Nobel peace prize. With all he has done.

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    Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years ago

    The healthcare bill is a major accomplishment.  It doesn't go far enough, but he's taken it farther than any other president of the past 100 years.
    
    Remember the Bush years and compare them to Obama's.  Never again will we let a Republican even come close to the oval office. (except maybe to do the windows)

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    mikelongposted 13 years ago

    I like my presidents violent and vile...if Barack Hussein Obama hasn't waterboarded anyone, or lived up to the middle name that so many idiot conservatives like to call out, I am against him!

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       Danny R Handposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Maybe, just MAYBE, if we take Bush, Cheney, and Rove and put them on a small parcel of land on the border with Mex.. Then we SECRETLY annex that parcel of land to Mexico, then let the drug cartels do what they will with the land and the men. It could be just enough to keep the consevatives happy. Worth a try?!

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          Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Do you honestly hate your fellow Americans who happen to have different political views than yours?

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             Danny R Handposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             No I do not. And if hate was the intent you recieved from me, I apoligize. I do however spend alot of time researching information. And when I relay the information I've acquired and people just ignore the obvious and pummel me with insults and insult my intelligence, and it's obvious they don't know the facts, it irritates me. I have no problem with a civilized debate. I do however find it difficult to find a debate without myself or other people being insulted, or demeaned. I will try to hold my irratation if you will do the same.

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                Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                "No I do not. "
                
                
                Glad to hear it. I didn't think you hated me, but it seemed you were feeling that way about president Bush, vice president Cheney, and Carl Rove.

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       Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Why do you have a problem with the president's middle name? Some kind of prejudice or something?

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    mikelongposted 13 years ago

    Sab...you're probably the only one not to get my obvious sarcasm...
    
    It's alright lil guy..
    
    Danny, its funny that you bring that up......what you put forward is actually an aspect of a story I'm working on....
    
    Fun fun!

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       Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       "...you're probably the only one not to get my obvious sarcasm..."
       
       It's nice that you can have fun.
       
       I can just picture you there giggling to yourself down in your parents' basement.

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    mikelongposted 13 years ago

    Then you can keep imagining....
    
    Guess again teacher....I'm still waiting for a response about the role of Bolivar in the development of Venezuela...

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       Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       "Then you can keep imagining....
       
       Guess again teacher...."
       
       Don't make me guess, tell me about it.

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       Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       "....I'm still waiting for a response about the role of Bolivar in the development of Venezuela..."
       
       
       Again with the made-up names. You're such a kidder!

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    mikelongposted 13 years ago

    I kid! I kid!           
    
    

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       Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Oh, is that him there on the left? I see, I see
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       ...

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    mikelongposted 13 years ago

    Hey Sab....regarding Danny's statement about Mexico....what would William Walker think? Many of his views are close to what conservatives think today....at least in my opinion..
    
    I spent two hours at the library with that one Teacher Sab...about those star stickers and the pat on the head you mentioned earlier.....
    
    

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       Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Wow, now you've really touched my emotions. The way you try to exploit the dead for your self-centered little ends really, really makes me respect you.

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    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    I hate Bush Cheney and Rove. Rumsfeld Wolfowitz Yoo and Rice too.How many more were there? I'm sure I'll think of them later.
    Oh yeah...Libby,Delay, Pence, Boehner, Ryan, Bachmann, Palin, McCain,...geezus, it never ends!
    
    That's how I'll get to sleep...by counting the Republicans I hate.

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       Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       You literally hate them?

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          livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          It's apparently very possible to hate someone you've never met.
          
          How do you feel about Lita Sorenson?

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             Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Who?

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                livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                You seem to have selective amnesia about a lot of things...

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                Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                As honest an answer as you will ever get from Tk!

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       nikki1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Talk about a nightmare :0. The best thing for them is to pray for them.. .

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       Arthur Fontesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I think you just committed some hate crimes.  Keep it up you represent your party well.  Proud to be in Ma with you.
       
       Such a caring compassionate Democrat.
       
       Yay

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    mikelongposted 13 years ago

    The dead are the easiest to exploit sometimes.....  Walker learned about the harms of trying to exploit others, though...hence this tombstone with the dishonored title of "executed" across it...
    
    
    You might try your other left Sab....
    
    Ya know..its funny that you wrote that, though.. You may have a problem telling your left from your right... Maybe your a "lefty" yourself and have just been in denial the whole time...
    
    The masked avatar makes more and more sense all the time..
    
    Your respect? That's about as desired as..
    
    

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       Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       "The dead are the easiest to exploit sometimes..... "
       
       
       Apparently. I hope you are proud of yourself. Real classy.

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       Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       "You might try your other left...."
       
       
       But isn't that sean penn's life partner?

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    Ralph Deedsposted 13 years ago

    President Obama played a key, hands on role in the negotiation of the nuclear arms treaty with Russia which was finalized this week.
    
    
    President Obama was angry. He was on the phone with President Dmitri A. Medvedev last month to finalize a new arms control treaty with Russia, only to be confronted with new demands for concessions on missile defense. A deal that was supposed to be done was unraveling.
    
    President Obama and Michael McFaul, the president’s top adviser on Russia, listen during a phone call with President Dmitri A. Medvedev of Russia on Feb. 24.
    
    “Dmitri, we agreed,” Mr. Obama told Mr. Medvedev with a tone of exasperation, according to advisers. “We can’t do this. If it means we’re going to walk away from this treaty and not get it done, so be it. But we’re not going to go down this path.”
    
    Mr. Obama hung up and vented frustration. Some of his advisers had never seen him so mad. A picture taken by a White House photographer captured his grim face in that moment of uncertainty. For a year he had been trying to forge a new relationship with Russia, starting with a treaty to slash nuclear arsenals. And for a year Russia had been testing him, suspecting he was weak and certain it could roll over him.
    
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/27/world … ?ref=world

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       Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Could roll over him like it did on the missle shield issue? Yeah

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       JWestCattleposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       "President Obama played a key, hands on role in the negotiation of the nuclear arms treaty with Russia which was finalized this week."
       
       Got an inside track there, do ya?  Oh, sorry, you just believe what you read.......that's just how voters and history are twisted.

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          nikki1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

          , again I feel for the HONORABLE President Obama. In my opinion he is being judged on behalf of his skin. He is only human. He is allowed to get frustrated. Its a shame there are so many "sad" people getting on his case all the time. Its outrageous actually.
          He has made so many awesome changes.

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             JWestCattleposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Yes, he has made awesome changes.....through bribery and graft and corruption...sounds like the roaring 20's and bootleggers.  What is truly sad is that anyone in this country would judge him 'judged' on behalf of his skin -  that is sad, and so mistaken, and so deliberately stated for effect, it has and will continue to become quite pathetic as a defense, no matter how many loyal party folk agree to spout racist crap for media effect at the behest of the Democratic party.

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    donotfearposted 13 years ago

    

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    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    Yes, I literally hate the current Republican party.
    
    "Most of the men and women whose appointments I am announcing today were approved by Senate committees months ago, yet still await a vote of the Senate. At a time of economic emergency, two top appointees to the Department of Treasury have been held up for nearly six months. I simply cannot allow partisan politics to stand in the way of the basic functioning of government."
    
    "Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), was particularly eloquent on that matter on the Senate floor two weeks ago: "The Senator from Kentucky has said he doesn't have any objection to these nominees. He's only blocking the nominations as leverage against the President and [U.S. Trade Representative Ron] Kirk. That is pure obstructionism."
    
    
    This is so unacceptable. They all should be removed and replaced with people who want to do their job.
    $167,000 per year to not do their job. Aint Crapitalism grand?
    Nice example to set. Hold your breathe til your face turns blue, or til you get your own way.
    And that other Bozo is at it again..blocking unemployment benefits.
    I have the perfect solution for that...take the Bush tax cuts back...1.2 trillion benefitting quadrillionaires...I'm sure they can do without. Give it to those who have been ruined by this economy, problem solved.

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       Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       "Yes, I literally hate the current Republican party."
       
       So you literally hate your fellow Americans because they belong to a different political party than you do? Do you also hate your fellow Americans who are not registered Republicans but who hold political views different from your own? Do you think it is a healthy attitude to hate millions of your own countrymen in this way? I suppose you'll keep your mouth shut whenever there is any politically-motivated violence in this country since you are admittedly part of it.

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       Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       "...take the Bush tax cuts back...1.2 trillion benefitting quadrillionaires...I'm sure they can do without. Give it to those who have been ruined by this economy, problem solved"
       
       
       Not exactly an economist, are ya?

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    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    Not exactly a human being, are you?
    
    I hate them for not caring about this country. I hate them for only caring about their party. I hate them for dumping on poor people at the expense of the Uber Wealthy. I hate them for letting their criminals slide as if they had a god -given right to break the law, the Constitution and the commandments..thou shalt not kill or steal.
    Christian in name only...CINO's.
    
    And I hate them because they have sworn to destroy our elected president--thinking they can nullify the rest of the country that voted for him. I hate them for being nasty, mean ugly, childish, churlis and VAIN.
    Enough? Cause I've got more...lots more.

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       Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

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       Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       "Not exactly a human being, are you?"
       
       
       Didn't you just comment on someone's hub lamenting the political discord in this country? And that is your attitude? Do you think that maybe you are a bit overwrought in your political passions? Maybe? I've noticed your posts becoming ever more irrational and hysterical, and now you are saying that I'm not a human being. You need to take stock.

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       Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       "I hate them for not caring about this country."
       
       Ok, take a deep breath...
       
       Do you really, honestly think that every registered Republican in the United States doesn't care about this country?
       
       
       "I hate them for only caring about their party."
       
       I suppose there may be a teeny-tiny minority who are guilty of that, but do you also "hate" the similar percentage of democrats who do the same?

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       Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       "And I hate them because they have sworn to destroy our elected president--thinking they can nullify the rest of the country that voted for him"
       
       Could you explain exactly what you think you mean by that?

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       Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       "I hate them for being nasty, mean ugly, childish, churlis and VAIN."
       
       
       Do you "hate" democrats who exhibit those same traits, or are you supposing that every registered Republican in the country is as described above?
       
       Are you really this far gone in your extreme political views?

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          Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Do you really have to use this many posts to quote a single post?  Are you that far gone as a troll?  Or do you think answering this way is really going to make anyone care what you think?  I could have used three or four posts to ask this, but I didn't need to.

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       Friendlywordposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Fell off my chair again!
       Go Girl!!!

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    mikelongposted 13 years ago

    Sab...we could always become "more business friendly" and eliminate corporate taxes altogether...really "free" up business...
    
    Is this what you are looking for?
    
    Those are the kinds of "freedoms" that can make Iraq such a great investment....go McDonalds!
    
    Thank you U.S. military for enabling the "creation" and protection of these "new markets."
    
    For the individual men and women following orders, that is their jobs, but for those within the Department of Defense and their political representatives in the legislature and White House.....it was like the Sykes-Pikot Agreement....the spoils had already been carved out... 
    
    And the same way great wealth was collected through the rapid expansion of Los Angeles and California in general...government funds, this time from American taxpayers into a foreign nation, are creating the "free market"......
    
    There's no complaints from the "right" when it comes to the "blank check" headed into corporate bank accounts via the War in Iraq....like Cheney's in particular...
    
    

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    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    Yes, well you baggers are not the only ones who are angry....and I have a lot of years of anger on you.
    
    I've been mad since 2001.
    I'm just not going to pull a gun on you to make you see things my way.
    I'm just not going to start with the personal attacks at every turn...but you attack me, I'm definately attacking back.
    
    See if you can understand this:
    I think Bush and Cheney and others were in on 9/11. I think it was an inside job. That means I saw 3,000 of my fellow citizens murdered for a political and power agenda..of my own gvt. I subsequently watched these people be lauded as hero's--STILL lauded as hero's.
    I watched unarmed civilians be bombed, shot at, white phosphored, killed. Little babies. And I saw people in my country cheering it on.
    I saw 4th amendment right treated like dispensible garbage. People excused it--security over all.
    I saw horrendous pictures of sadistic torture,which my gvt engaged in and which people in my country cheered.
    I watched a gvt operate as a private country club, while bragging about being a democracy.
    I watched my gvt. lie, make-up stories, twist and distort reality so they could start a war.
    And I watched as anyone trying to ask a question was treated lik an enemy of the state.
    Now these same people who cheer-leaded all this crap I saw going on are all of a sudden angry. All of a sudden, they've had enough. But where were they when the damage was being done? I do not trust their motives. Not for one minute.
    And I see a calm, cool-headed, pragmatic man trying to do the best he can under a swarm of smearing, demented, mentally-deranged political opponents.
    
    Yeah, I'm mad. It's been brewing for a long time. And the deranged right-wing operatives have unleashed a tiger.
    You want angry? You got it...but it's aimed at you.

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       Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       "Yes, well you baggers are not the only ones who are angry"
       
       I believe the movement is known as the Tea Party movement, and who ever said I was a participant?
       
       "....and I have a lot of years of anger on you"
       
       
       Meaning what, exaclty?
       
       
       
       "I'm just not going to start with the personal attacks at every turn..."
       
       But that is just what you are doing here. Remember when you said I wasn't human?
       
       
       
       "I think Bush and Cheney and others were in on 9/11. I think it was an inside job. "
       
       
       Well that would make you a conspiracy buff, but there is no law against being a conspiracy buff.
       
       
       "And I saw people in my country cheering it on"
       
       You saw people cheering on civilian casualties (I assume in Iraq and Afghanistan)? I do not believe you did.
       
       
       "I saw 4th amendment right treated like dispensible garbage."
       
       Are you saying you think the Constitution should be respected? Are you willing to apply that universally?
       
       
       " saw horrendous pictures of sadistic torture,which my gvt engaged in and which people in my country cheered."
       
       Again, you did NOT see people cheering.
       
       
       
       "I watched my gvt. lie, make-up stories, twist and distort reality so they could start a war."
       
       Really? Who did that? If that could be proven it would be grounds for prosecution, don't you think?
       
       
       
       "And I watched as anyone trying to ask a question was treated lik an enemy of the state."
       
       That is also not true.
       
       
       
       
       "You want angry? You got it...but it's aimed at you."
       
       Aimed at me personally? I think you have long since passed the point where your anger has completely taken control of you. Try to get that control back.

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    Sab Ohposted 13 years ago

    LOL! Some people will never miss a chance to shoehorn their pet issue of the moment into any and every discussion! It reaches comical levels sometimes.
    
    
    I'm a little disappointed that the School of the Americas and Bolivar haven't been mentioned in the past 20 seconds or so.
    
    
    

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    mikelongposted 13 years ago

    You just did it...so, not very long.
    
    I can't help it if you run away from direct questions...
    
    I almost always answer yours....
    
    Laughing again?
    
    I don't see anything funny about this conversation...

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       PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I don't know why you bother with Sab.  I have to admire your persistence, though.

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