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A real example of Obama's hope and change

  1. tobey100 profile image59
    tobey100posted 7 years ago

    I've been off hubpages for a week.  I've been meeting with my accountant trying to salvage what little I have left.  Remember Obama's promise that if you're happy with your current health insurance you won't have to change?  Well, due to the fact that some of his CHANGES kicked in July 1st, my employer is dropping our insurance provider due to a rate hike based on the requirement to cover everything under the sun.  We've been informed we now have to settle for less.  Remember when Obama promised that if you made less than $250,000 your taxes wouldn't go up a dime?  My accountant gave me the good news that due to Obama's CHANGE, mine are going up to the point that I'll have to sell part of my property or risk losing our home place that's been in the family since 1888.  A grand total of 32 tax hikes or exemption cuts.  Remember Obama's statement just last week that the economy was coming back and doing well?  I used to have 107 employees.  I now have 85 and, due to Obama's CHANGE, I'm losing 20 more by the end of the year.  These are people that I've worked with for the past 10 years.  I don't believe the world is coming to and end by 2012.  I do believe the United States won't last that long.  How's that hope and change working for you?

  2. profile image0
    Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago

    Obama considers the United States to be an "experiment";  that's what I saw him say in a television interview.

    America needs to tell him to get his hands off OUR Country before his "experimentation" totally destroys it.  We're not his lab rats.

    1. Strophios profile image60
      Strophiosposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      "For we must consider that we shall be as a city upon a hill. The eyes of all people are upon us. So that if we shall deal falsely with our God in this work we have undertaken... we shall be made a story and a by-word throughout the world."

      This trope is older than America itself, and the idea which it encapsulates is one of experimentation: We are striking off on our own with new ideas (experimenting). If we screw up, then we shall be a warning to others (like an experiment).

  3. Flightkeeper profile image73
    Flightkeeperposted 7 years ago

    Hope and change is not working for a lot of people. But I hope the change is hurting all the people who voted for him more because they're the ones who put Obama in that position.

  4. rkhyclak profile image60
    rkhyclakposted 7 years ago

    My brother has an autoimmune disease that requires a chemo-like drug to be put into remission. He last had to have the Rituxin 2 years ago. He needs it now as his disease has exacerbated, however, he has to wait 2-3 weeks for insurance to approve it, whereas 2 years ago it was immediate. Meanwhile, he's in severe pain, off work and in danger of losing his job, and incredibly sick. I'd like to see the fit Obama's dumb ass would throw were it one of his children or siblings that couldn't get treated due to HIS Hope and Change.

  5. chigoiyke profile image60
    chigoiykeposted 7 years ago

    Y'all should cut him some slack!!

  6. rkhyclak profile image60
    rkhyclakposted 7 years ago

    For what? What has he done in the last 18 months that has actually been of benefit for this country? Deteriorate international relations? Completely screw up health care? Increase the national debt into the trillions? Disrespect ally countries leaders? Disrespect our own troops? Increase unemployment to 9.5%? He's spending money (that doesn't exist) hand over fist and effectively selling us out to anyone who will listen to him, which, thank God, is becoming a smaller and smaller fan base. Sorry, I will cut him no slack. He doesn't deserve it. And don't give me the load of BS he inherited all of his problems from Bush, that excuse is getting sorrier and sorrier by the day.

    1. Strophios profile image60
      Strophiosposted 7 years ago in reply to this



      That's the opposite of true. Which relations in particular are you referencing, because I'm pretty sure that, if anything, he's improved them with most nations. In fact, I'm pretty sure your implied statement is just objectively and totally wrong.



      This one's kind of funny. Not because insurance companies have responded to the bill which might actually force them to provide care sometimes by jacking up rates and basically proving to all those watching that they are just as evil as we've said they are, but because if Obama had had what he'd originally wanted (single-payer) it wouldn't have happened.

      Additionally, as terrible as your experience is (and you have my sincerest condolences), that is a story which was played out hundreds upon hundreds of times before the health care bill as well. In fact, it was often worse: insurers would not simply wait "to approve it," they'd cut care altogether, claiming some kind of underlying condition. Or, the patient just didn't have insurance at all.



      Not certain, but I'm pretty sure it was already there on the back of everyone's favorite president: George W. Bush. Additionally, the increasing debt is a useful economic tool, because it's backing stimulus spending. If you like, I can give you a basic lesson in Keynesian economics and how they work.



      I'd like citations for both of these, because I'm pretty sure he's done nothing but respect our troops and I can't immediately recall any instances of "disrespect[ing] ally countries [sic] leaders."



      On the subject of the economy:

      "The Congressional Budget Office said in May that as of the end of the first quarter of 2010 the Recovery Act has “[i]ncreased the number of people employed by between 1.2 million and 2.8 million,” raised inflation adjusted GDP “by between 1.7 percent and 4.2 percent,” and lowered the unemployment rate. So there have been positive trends in terms of the unemployment rate and GDP growth since Obama took office, and according to Boehner, the President “owns” that trend:" from: http://thinkprogress.org/2010/07/01/boe … s-one-job/

      and the accompanying graph is at: http://www.speaker.gov/blog/?p=2312



      On the subject of the stimulus see above.



      Would you like me to link you to the John Stewart segment demonstrating how, throughout Bush's presidency, republicans were reaching back and blaming things on Clinton, even though he handed to Bush an excellent economy and a surplus? Because I think you'd find it very informative.

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
        Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Please do not introduce facts and sound reasoning into the forums.  Wingnuts consider these to be personal attacks.

      2. Jim Hunter profile image59
        Jim Hunterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        A surplus?

        A surplus of what?

        1. tobey100 profile image59
          tobey100posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol lol lol  Surplus and Obama go together like ice cream and toilet paper.

        2. Strophios profile image60
          Strophiosposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          A surplus of money. See here: http://mediamatters.org/research/200509130001

          1. Jim Hunter profile image59
            Jim Hunterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            There was not a surplus, there was debt, a surplus is money left over once debt is payed!

            1. Flightkeeper profile image73
              Flightkeeperposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              It would be pointless to point out Econ 101 with the libs. They just don't get it.

              1. Jim Hunter profile image59
                Jim Hunterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Obviously.

              2. Strophios profile image60
                Strophiosposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                See above for why this attack is totally incorrect, and should in fact be turned towards yourself.

                1. Flightkeeper profile image73
                  Flightkeeperposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I did but it's no use my getting it if you guys don't lol

            2. Strophios profile image60
              Strophiosposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              That's not even remotely how that works. Surplus is a term used in opposition to deficit. Debt is a separate term. Their interaction is as follows: surplus and deficit refer to whether the spending for a given year is either surpassed by or surpasses revenues. If revenues are greater than spending, you have a surplus. This surplus can then be used to pay off some of the debt, the long term loans the government has. It's analogous to a homeowner with a mortgage: the mortgage is debt. If he has money from his paycheck left over at the end of the month, that's a surplus. If he had to borrow to make it through the month, that's a deficit, which is then added to the debt.

              1. Jim Hunter profile image59
                Jim Hunterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Why don't you put that logic into practice with your creditors, in the real world if you have 20 dollars and owe 30 you are in the red!

                Spin it however you like.

                1. Strophios profile image60
                  Strophiosposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  You still don't understand how this works. At all. Your willful ignorance is in fact astounding.

                  The word surplus has a meaning, when I use it I use that meaning. When you replied, you used an entirely different meaning. I then explained the meaning to you. This is your reply. Your grasp of the English language is... less than impressive.

                  To explain once more: In the real world if you owe 30 dollars, which you are paying off at 5 dollars per month, and you make 20 dollars per month after all other expenses then you are running a surplus. You can use this surplus to pay off more of the debt, of you could spend it on other things, since you only owe 5 dollars per month. If you had to borrow money to make it through the month, you ran a deficit.

                  That's the way surplus, deficit, and debt work. That is what the words mean. Please start using English like the rest of us.

                  1. Jim Hunter profile image59
                    Jim Hunterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I got to the insult and quit reading, have a nice day.

  7. Dame Scribe profile image59
    Dame Scribeposted 7 years ago

    lol Ron M. wink so true tongue blame always got to go somewhere hmm

  8. MikeNV profile image70
    MikeNVposted 7 years ago

    Real Americans are waking up to the lies.

    1. Strophios profile image60
      Strophiosposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      What exactly do you mean by "Real Americans"? Keep in mind that making a one to one identification with conservatives is cheating. (And really dumb)

    2. Pcunix profile image89
      Pcunixposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The lies of the Tea Party?

      Why yes, I think some are.

  9. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 7 years ago

    I slipped into poverty during the Bush years.
    Every time I tried to warn people, they would say "Stop whining."

    So,to all you repubs who always told me to shut up:

    "Shut up and stop whining!!!"

    You are only experiencing now what many of us have been going through since 2000....it was put into place back then you know. You are reaping the pain now, since you had the luxury of more money to avoid it then. It was meant to happen long ago.

    And the beauty is, they can now say it's all Obamas fault, and have the excuse to KILL gvt.

    You think you have an Oligarchy now???

    Wait til you cry to have corporate America back...then you will see real depravation.

  10. Uninvited Writer profile image80
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    Are you sure you aren't Sab Oh?

    1. Jim Hunter profile image59
      Jim Hunterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I asked you yesterday what you meant by that, no I'm not sab oh. Would that be a bad thing?

      1. Flightkeeper profile image73
        Flightkeeperposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Nope, not a bad thing in my book.

        1. Sab Oh profile image56
          Sab Ohposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Yours is a fine, fine book indeed. Domo.

        2. Ron Montgomery profile image59
          Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You own a book?

          1. Sab Oh profile image56
            Sab Ohposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Another personal insult? I thought we talked about this.

            1. Flightkeeper profile image73
              Flightkeeperposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              No worries. Got it taken care of.

  11. Studio E profile image54
    Studio Eposted 7 years ago

    How come the price of gas is going down while gobs of oil is filling the gulf and the price of gas real high before the gulf gobs.

    Things that make you go hummmmmmmm.

 
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