Mosque at Ground Zero?
- sandra rinckposted 12 years ago
0You mean the same way extremist Christians forcibly converted aboriginal Australians and American Indians?
They are just a couple hundred years behind you - watch out!!!
And Zoom it went way over your head! How am I not surprised that you to push it on the Christians.
And you even got the American history part wrong. tsk, tsk such ignorance!
Boy your bigotry speaks volumes and yet you and the libs cry such crocodile tears when it is made obvious to you.LOL
Dear me. So - you admit it was done? But because it was a while ago - it doesn't count. You sound more like Adolph with every word you utter.
No morals - that is your problem.
Why should it matter where it is built?
Living and holding on to the past is detrimental to living in the here and now, and only creates conflict for the future. 
Yeah, its not something that bothers or worries me
Not all muslims are terrorists and not all mosques are training centres for hate and terrorism, no more then any other place of worship.
Would anyone have a problem if it were a church or cathedral being built?
Maybe a synagog?
Why not all three?
Good union of faiths thereI don't blame you for feeling this way, I personally only enjoy churches and the like because of the amazing architecture (here in london there are some old churches that are stunning to look at). For myself the whole world is a 'church' and these buildings are just that, buildings. Not unlike a nice cage for 'god'. Then again my concept of god is way to weird to relate to the concepts found in the religions I have been exposed to. Buddhism is the closest but not quite
My feelings, while mine and kinda fun are not really important. The feeling of society in general is more important as that general feeling can impact just about everyone. I cannot see american society abandoning churches and such for a deeper pursuit of spirituality. If we accept and embrace one building of worship then the only way I see for minimising the chances of the impact on everyone being less negative is to accept and embrace all the different types of buildings people choose to worship in.Yes Kirsten, the old churches are nice to look at, but in the end, it boils down to meaningless drivel. As for you not blaming me for feeling the way I do? I'm not sure I get your meaning.
My understanding is that the time is coming to move past pettiness, foolishness and bring about change in the person's individual responsibility to oneself.
You're adorable. However, it isn't only about America's society abandoning churches, it is about the individual person's ability to deal with reality. The reality is that a god is not required to live life. Plain and simple. Not to mention, if half the people of religious faith, actually understood their religion, then they would no longer be a member of their religion.I would share your feeling about removing the perceived necessity of a building or church being a good idea. I mean, heck all that money spent on fancy buildings and windows, statues and such seem almost an insult to those in poverty. I am realistic tho and know that for the 'faithful' this proposition would be beyond blasphemy and as such would be willing to take up arms if need be to protect their churches and synagogs and mosques. I don't blame is just my way of saying that in a perfect world your suggestion would be a great step forward for society as a whole, and a huge step toward real peace. I sadly cannot agree in proposing as I know people would respond in violence and as such I could not support something that would trigger such anger in those who feel they need their particular brand of religion.
Sadly I just am unable to agree with you on this one. I wish we were close to moving past all the separatism and transferral of personal responsibility to some supposed authority. The truth is that I see the very concept of personal responsibility as being made weaker and weaker all the time. To be frank I see us moving toward an Orwellian 1984 style with no concept of individual responsibility and moving away from any real advancement of society.
Awww, you must remember my baby racoon avatar! It was soo adorable
Reality... Hmmm.. Whats that again?
Seriously, on the surface most people would say that lying is usually bad and should never be automatic or mandatory even. Yet my experience of reality is that it is believed every one does it and I have had my bosses ask me to my face why I didn't lie about an issue I had had at work. Like that was the first thing that came out of their mouths. I got in trouble for being honest. Is that reality? That lying is sometimes mandatory in order to avoid trouble? That lying is acceptable and even encouraged? Man if so I want nothing to do with reality!Ever tried to teach someone who simply does NOT want to learn anything new?
I know of a few walls that would be more likely to listen then many of the people I see daily
At least those walls don't argue for remaining ignorant
Quit playing games. It's already agreed by others that YOU are not all there. So, with that said. You're just pouncing, not looking to learn anything, because your individual actions already proved that you think you already know everything, even if your words didn't directly say it. You assume people cannot figure out their own life and YOU WOULD BE WRONG! It's unfortunately sad for you.
Thank you Saddlerider. I would rather they build a mission, or a multiple shelters or establish even just a huge building to let homeless(even completely empty would work) cover from weather.
I am in support of supporting those who are unable to support themselves, but I would rather efficiently use the land and resources available, such as rehabilitation of the homeless, so they can progress themselves back into society's fold.
More productive citizens, the better.Aww, that is a good idea too!
The main problem people are not willing to face is the growing population of the homeless. Here is a direct stat from government.
In 2006 the homeless level was 12.3% of the total population.
In 2007 the homeless level was 12.5% of the total population.
When you look at the numbers, it doesn't seem like much. But, when you actually do the math...on average every year homeless increases by .2% which is about 700000 new people who have become homeless.
That is in ONE year's time. The workforce lost 700,000 people from it. The Economy lost 700,000 people from spending money.
And, people wonder what's wrong with things?
Btw- Thank you.
Ah - you speak for most people do you TK Sensei? Odd.
But - your hatred is the topic of the thread now. Gosh you hate a lot. I feel sorry for you.
I think this is the first time we have agreed on a religious type solution, well done us
Seriously tho it does seem the most likely solution to be accepted and if you think about it it is kinda beautiful and poetic. The tragedy of 9/11 hurt more people then just americans or Christians, it caused unimaginable sorrow for people of all walks of life. To have the area that will always be remembered for this painful event be used for unity and creating peace is a lovely way to honour those who lost their lives and the families that had to soldier on in the face of such grief. Who knows someone may well take up our idea and make this the official stanceT-shirt vendors and souvenirs? *shakes head* well thats capitalism for ya
To be honest I did not know that this late in the day folks are milking this tragedy. I can understand people wanting to see the site after it first happened, to feel the reality of it (it felt totally unreal to me for some time) but I will pass on the 'I visited ground zero' t-shirts
No #2, that's the way sick, twisted individuals (McVeigh, Koresh, Bin Laden, McCarthy) operate.
They claim to have a mandate from their god and are willing to kill anyone who disagrees...
The wingnuts are headed in this direction.
P.S. Congrats on moving up in the cyber world. Maybe someday it will translate into a real-life promotion to mediocrity.
I'm sure they have a loss in their life, however, it is 2010 and people must move on. Otherwise, what would be sense in living. They might as well, take their own life and be done with it.
That's the problem, too many people being lead by their emotions and that alone always creates conflict.
Oh, btw- the homeless problem is presently at 13.2%
Those who are living within poverty standards is at 13.5%.
Just added thoughts.- Onusonusposted 12 years ago0
I wasn't there, I was at the DMZ in Korea pushing back commies. None the less I only see puting up synagogues in the place of mosques in the heartland of Islamic territory as a bridge to peace and understanding between the two groups who have been at eachothers throats for a long time. I can think of no better way of Islam showing tolerance to their neighbors than stepping asside and letting another religion take over.
Good one!
Galatians 6:7
Gee Mark,
Are you so bored you're now reduced to posting Scriptures from a Book you don't even believe in? And which don't even apply to the subject. Dear me.
Tell ya what----YOU go right ahead and sow that seed into a terrorist. If it works, you will have saved us all from the extremists! Hallelujah! While you're at at, maybe you can talk Osama Bin Ladin outta his cave and bring him to justice. Just coax him by telling him no one's allowed to waterboard him, plus, under our new "tolerant" and "diverse" code, he might get a chance to even become PRESIDENT someday. Reform the man! Anything's possible! After all, we do have Bill Ayres teaching our nation's young people already. You can do it, Mark.
Sorry - I forgot you do not understand your book or its application.
- Brenda Durhamposted 12 years ago0
Sure thing buddy.
Let's just all go shopping and forget about the people who died at Ground Zero. That's the ticket!
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