just in case you've forgotten where your taxes go...

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  1. SparklingJewel profile image65
    SparklingJewelposted 12 years ago

    here are excerpts from a recent article...

    "Taxpayers foot the bill for an increasing number of government workers at outrageously growing wages. ATR  reports that federal employment has increased by 230,000, or nearly 5 percent, in just the past year. USA Today reported Aug. 10 that federal pay and benefits per employee now average more than twice that of private workers: $123,049 compared to $61,051. Federal salaries outpaced inflation in the past decade by 33 percent."

    "The United States is headed toward financial collapse unless these trends are reversed. The radical change needed is not a government takeover, but a significant downsizing of government's intrusion into our economy and daily lives."

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 … overnment/

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      shazwellynposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      The UK government has cut back on the services and then decide to overload the ones left over by introducing strategies that are setting them up for failure (re:  call centre hell with working families tax credit after introducing experian credit checks to those who only want to report a basic change of circumstance)

  2. wilderness profile image95
    wildernessposted 12 years ago

    So what else is new?  We have passed the point where less than 1/2 of the people support the other 1/2 through welfare, SS, govt. employment and so forth.

    We can expect it to continue till the system collapses from the sheer dead weight of non-productive citizens.

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
      Ron Montgomeryposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Any studies to support this or did you just see it on Fox and assume it to be true?

    2. profile image0
      ryankettposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      "non-product citizens"

      What a wonderfully passionate way to describe those unfortunate enough to be struggling to feed themselves as a result of your failed capitalist ideals.

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
        Ron Montgomeryposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Is it better to be a "product citizen"?

        1. Sufidreamer profile image79
          Sufidreamerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Due to outsourcing, all 'product citizens' are now manufactured in China smile

          1. SparklingJewel profile image65
            SparklingJewelposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            ...a funny play on words...

            but I think he meant productive citizens...don't you?

            when a citizenry losses its self respect by not being productive, by not taking care of itself, government handout is not the answer to their regaining their self respect... it's a hard spot where the human psyche gets stuck if one has things handed to one for too long...we see too many that are not recovering from it...

            1. Sufidreamer profile image79
              Sufidreamerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              hehe - I am just teasing.

              I do actually agree with a lot of what you say - one of the reasons why the Greek economy is in such trouble is because 70% of Greeks are working their backsides off to support the other 30% with cushy civil service jobs (Of course, many civil servants are extremely hard working and productive - sadly, a large proportion are parasites).

              They are getting rid of a lot of the superfluous civil servants, reforming the structure of government, and sending people to jail for corruption - about time, too. smile

          2. Ron Montgomery profile image61
            Ron Montgomeryposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Not for long.  We will soon be borrowing money from Bangladesh to manufacture our own product citizens!

            USA! USA! USA!

        2. wilderness profile image95
          wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Sorry, Ron.  I'll try to do better in the future.

      2. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Few govt. employees actually produce much of value to society.  Police, fire, military - these are exceptions.  Most are simple bureaucrats who shuffle paper and talk for a living - they don't actually produce hardly anything.

        Multiple generations of welfare recipients produce little but more babies.

        Few retired people produce much of value to society.  This does not mean they should collect the SS they have paid for - it means they no longer produce.

        Stripped of the negative connotation you try to give it, "productive" citizens means someone that produce something of value to our society.  Nothing more.  It has nothing to do with passion, or unfortunate people.  It has to do with production of valued goods and services.

        1. Pcunix profile image91
          Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          You could say that very few employees anywhere actually produce anything.  Most shuffle paper - electronic paper nowadays, but they are not "producing" anything.

          Eery single government program has a reason behind it and often that reason is to help businesses or protect consumers.  These are not "useless" employees.  They most definitely are producing something of value to society.

          Why don't you name some government agency you want to get rid of and explain why? 

          That's the problem, you know: every time some fool gets themselves elected to "cut taxes", they start looking at everything that taxes go for and soon realize that there isn't much that can be cut without hurting real people.   

          That's why they usually end up going after the poor and disadvantaged - cut funding for the mentally ill, cut food stamps, cut welfare!   Of course those cuts don't amount to much, so there is always more chance for another dumb "tax cut" person to stir up the ignorant.

          Typical Tea Party ignorance.

          Oh, and by the way: many "retired" people are still productive.  Many volunteer in numerous capacities.   They ARE a productive part of society.

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      jerrylposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Whatever happened to (TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS?)

      Businesses sure as hell are not hiring!  Banks are not lending after
      we bailed them out!

      We will collapse from the debt building monetary system we operate under!

      1. Evan G Rogers profile image60
        Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        trickle down economics is nonsense.

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          jerrylposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Exactly.  Not many got trickled down to, but many got trickled on.

  3. profile image0
    jerrylposted 12 years ago

    Here is the link to the national debt clock.
    It will not let you forget.


  4. SparklingJewel profile image65
    SparklingJewelposted 12 years ago

    researchers made the following assessment to
    Obama's economic policies.

               "President Obama's response to the economic
               crisis is to promote a statist model for the
               economy that fundamentally transforms our
               fee-market system into a state-run, European
          ... while unemployment remains high, the federal         government
          is expanding at the highest rate since Eisenhower,
          the U.S. economy is shrinking and our government
          is engaged in out-of-control spending creating an
          insurmountable debt that could bankrupt our nation.

    Not surprisingly, most of the money from the stimulus package
    went to federal, state and local government projects and
    unions instead of investing in businesses that would
    actually spur economical growth.

    Under Obama, we now have the largest government workforce
    in history with the largest government payroll ever and a
    federal pay scale that is, on average, 40 percent higher
    than their private sector counterparts. And we pay their

    source: Grassfire Nation

  5. Ralph Deeds profile image63
    Ralph Deedsposted 12 years ago

    Now That's Rich
    We need to pinch pennies these days. Don’t you know we have a budget deficit? For months that has been the word from Republicans and conservative Democrats, who have rejected every suggestion that we do more to avoid deep cuts in public services and help the ailing economy.
    Fred R. Conrad/The New York Times

    But these same politicians are eager to cut checks averaging $3 million each to the richest 120,000 people in the country.

    What — you haven’t heard about this proposal? Actually, you have: I’m talking about demands that we make all of the Bush tax cuts, not just those for the middle class, permanent....

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/23/opini … ef=opinion

  6. Ralph Deeds profile image63
    Ralph Deedsposted 12 years ago

    From each according to his ability, for each according to his need...including a "nookie room!"

    http://online.wsj.com/article/NA_WSJ_PU … 2885614620

  7. lovemychris profile image73
    lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

    Rich people deserve your money.
    And so do the military, corporations and big business.

    Profits uber alles. That's the republican way.

    Give more to those who have more. Take from those who need.

    Isn't that what they practice when given the chance???


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