What do you think about anti-Japanese protests in China?

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   rakubaposted 13 years ago

   What do you think about anti-Japanese protests in China?

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      Evan G Rogersposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Not hard to figure out:
      
      The communist government needs an enemy to solidify the country. This type of behavior was well illustrated by George Orwell in 1984 and Animal Farm. An easy tool to help divert attention from the woes caused by the government's tyrannical abuses is to blame the problems on a foreign enemy.
      
      It could easily be argued that Bin Laden is the same sort of enemy to America: we'll nevr catch him, but we'll always use him for calls for greater government power.

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         rakubaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         ARIGATO!!

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            Evan G Rogersposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Iie iie, dou itasimasite

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         Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Yes, we have seen it before.
         
         In the U.S. its the right-wing extremist returning from wars in Iraq or Afghanistan.
         
         That is according to our dear leader and the appointed jackasses he assembled.

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         Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         The CCP has a history of fabricating such 'outrage' and then busing in demonstrators from the factories on the outskirts of town, but there does seem to be some organic anger among the people this time 'round.
         
         At the same time, there have also been anti-China demonstrations in Japan lately (though much less violent than those in China).
         
         These territorial disputes seem to heat up every now and again and rouse patriotic passions. Of course the champions at getting absolutely insane over a chunk of rock in the water are the South Koreans. Whenever these things flare up there it's like the entire country has a collective mental and emotional meltdown.
         
         This too shall pass, I expect.

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            Evan G Rogersposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            well, honestly, the Japanese DID invade China and DID do some HORRENDOUS things there, and the US DID help cover it all up...
            
            ... but seriously, the protest STILL happen?

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               Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               And the Chinese DID do some HORRIBLE things there as well.
               
               
               but yes, the protests are on-going

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                  china manposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  This kind of apologist nonsense really shows the extent of your ignorance of any of these matters.  Before making such ridiculous statements you should a least go read some history - this kind of remark is in the same league as the apologists for Hitler.

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                     Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     I have taught more history than you will ever read in your lifetime, and I have apologized for no one or nothing. Don't be unnecessarily combative.
                     
                     
                     And is there some reason you use the word "ignorant" anytime anyone disagrees with your OPINION on anything having to do with China?

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                        china manposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Ignorant describes your posts, ignorant of any real facts and offensive to the various people and groups you try to demean at every opportunity.
                        
                        Teaching history does not give a very wide view - clearly.  Living through some of the reality and reading a wider base of material would have been of some help.

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                           Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Who have I demeaned and how? See if you can answer without saying "youtube" or "ignorant."

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                        Flightkeeperposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        When people make a mess of their lives and run away to some place else, they go through some kind of syndrome and go completely indigenous.  That explains some of the things that we've been reading.

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                           Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Not always. Some expats react by building their identity around being unrealistically critical of everything about their 'new' location. But what you said also happens.

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                              Flightkeeperposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              True but I don't think that applies here.

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                                 Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 I cannot disagree

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               china manposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               The last few are still alive - it was not so long ago. 
               
               Hundreds of thousands killed, Nanjing was only the single biggest massacre of around 300,000 people - if I remember my figures right.  The normal Japanese behaviour of that time was in evidence over the whole of the occupied areas, all the eastern parts of China and inland well past Wuhan.  Thousands of Chinese women were used and killed as 'comfort women' and some were taken back to Japan when the Japanese were finally evicted from China.  All the normal atrocities were in evidence, from medical and biological experiments on Chinese proisoners, bayonet and sword practice on live people - they have far more reason to be p*ssed off with the Japanese than America to be honest, it wasn't just soldiers being mistreated, it was a whole population for around 10 years.

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                  Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  "around 300,000 people - if I remember my figures right"
                  
                  
                  Actually, there are no really reliable figures. Suffice to say, far, far too many.

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                     china manposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     So you are insinuating this is a too high figure ?

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                        Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        It could be too low. There are no reliable figures.

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                           china manposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Apologist posts such as this, that try to erase these things little by little, are a favourite tactic of hte apologist right, from the Japanese ex-general mentioned in the earlier thread regarding the 'Fishing Island' dispute, through the holocaust denial to the current right wing American trend to try and re-write history.  It is a matter of eywitness record from Chinese and foreign, including American, sources - backed by Japanese records that "some 300,000 surrendered and disarmed soldiers, and ordinary townspeople, the women after being repeated rape." were "massacred by shooting, bayoneting, burying alive, or decapitated by sword."  From a real history book quoting real events and real numbers by Israel Epstein who was actually there.  As I said earlier you should get around and read more than the narrow scope you seem to have managed so far.

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         china manposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Not quite right - the country is pretty rock solid behind its governnment at the current time.  This kind of protest is the way these things are brought into the news - for home and foreign consumption.  Anything seen as being against the interests of China raises one of these, the last one was about France interfering in the Tibet issue and resulted in the Carrefour chain of stores being targetted for protest. We went shopping (with no daner or bother) at Carrefour in the middle of the Wuhan protest, some of my students were among the protesters walking up and down with banners.

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            Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Patriotism does not mean the very real grievances of the Chinese worker and farmer are somehow negated.
            
            As for these protests, the Chinese government has been working to put them down with limited success.

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               china manposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               China according to Youtube huh !  you really don't have a clue of any kind about what is happening here do you.  The real tensions you are completely unaware of and those manufactured by someone you take as gospel - you are the real deal product of hte disinformation press

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                  Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  You mention youtube ALOT. Why is that?
                  
                  
                  And I hate to bring it up again, but you are not the only person in the world who has ever set foot in China. Really.

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         kerrygposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Yeah, it's not just communist governments who use that tactic!
         
         The whole Cold War was, in effect, a scheme to make the military industrial complex super rich at the expense of the taxpayers, and now the "War on Terror" is continuing exactly the same pattern.
         
         "Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes … known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.… No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."
         
         — James Madison, Political Observations, 1795

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            Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            So, during the Cold War the Soviet Union was not a real threat?
            
            Terrorism today is not a real threat?
            
            ?!

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               kerrygposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Frankly, no.
               
               Communism and terrorism are both largely created threats that wouldn't exist to nearly the degree they currently do if not for our own actions. The sooner we stop sticking our nose in other countries' business, the safer the world will be... and the more money we'll have to spend on things that actually benefit Americans, such as rebuilding infrastructure or lowering taxes.

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                  Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Tell that to the peoples of Eastern Europe. Tell that to the families of 9/11. Partisanship can rouse emotions but it cannot alter reality.

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                     Flightkeeperposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     It can if you're a wacko liberal

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                     William R. Wilsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Americans are more likely to die of obesity or a car crash than terrorism. 
                     
                     Global warming and peak oil are the real threats to humanity - but they don't provide an easy, good vs. evil narrative for the population to line up behind.

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                        Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        "Americans are more likely to die of obesity or a car crash than terrorism. "
                        
                        
                        Therefore you never lock your doors at night and frequently stroll through bad neighborhoods while counting out your money?

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                           William R. Wilsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Non sequitur (Latin for "it does not follow"), in formal logic, is an argument in which its conclusion does not follow from its premises.[1] In a non sequitur, the conclusion can be either true or false, but the argument is fallacious because there is a disconnection between the premise and the conclusion.

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                              Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              Good job. Apply that to your previous post and you're halfway there.

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                        Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        "Global warming and peak oil are the real threats to humanity "
                        
                        No they're not.

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                           William R. Wilsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Care to back up your assertion with some facts?

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                              Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              how about some emails, mr gore?

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                     kerrygposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     I'm sure the people of Eastern Europe already know. So do some of the 9/11 families, or have you forgotten about the Jersey Girls?
                     
                     Partisanship can rouse emotions, but it cannot alter reality. The United States trained and financed Osama bin Laden for years despite his extremist beliefs, because he was anti-communist.
                     
                     We did the same for Saddam Hussein, also anti-communist, even selling him the same chemical weapons he later used against his own people. We supported the repressive regime of the Shah of Iran, also anti-communist, who was so hated by his people that he was violently overthrown and replaced by an anti-American fundamentalist regime that's been a thorn in our side ever since.
                     
                     Now that communism has been replaced by Islamic fundamentalism as our enemy of choice, we're supporting or did support anti-Islamist dictators such as Musharraf, Rahmon, and Karimov. How long before that comes back to bite us in the a**, too?
                     
                     Communism and terrorism are created threats, deliberately exacerbated to keep the military-industrial complex in private jets and mansions in the Hamptons, and the American people too frightened to object.

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                        Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        "I'm sure the people of Eastern Europe already know. So do some of the 9/11 families"
                        
                        But not you?

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                        Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        "Communism and terrorism are created threats, deliberately exacerbated to keep the military-industrial complex in private jets and mansions in the Hamptons, and the American people too frightened to object."
                        
                        
                        
                        Conspiracy theories seem to be more addictive than crack.
                        
                        
                        I've sat down and talked eye to eye with people who lived under Soviet tyranny. What they and their families went through was real. I've talked with people who lived under the Taliban, and those who were in NY on 9/11. This is reality whether it suits your politics or not. It is beyond offensive to dismiss the suffering of these people in the name of some political agenda, and beyond irrational to ascribe every event in history to some dark conspiracy that fits some juvenile narrative complimentary to some political bias.
                        
                        There is a real world, really.

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                           china manposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Oh right - you have sat down with ex-Taliban, families of 9/11, I recall you claiming to have 'worked with' Tibetan refugees, you claim to have been in China to back your Youtube garnered rubbish - You seem to have led a full life - well, full of something I guess !  The uninformed and viciously ridiculous nature of your posts reveals what you do not know.

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                              Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              I didn't say "ex-taliban" I was referring to people - women in particular - who managed to escape taliban-controlled Afghanistan.
                              
                              And yes, I have worked with Tibetan refugees.
                              
                              And yes, I have lived in China (I know you think you're the only person to 'discover' the country).
                              
                              And there's lots more. Yes, I've been around the block so I'm afraid I can't just take anything anyone says at face value if I happen to know better.

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                                 china manposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 You rexperiences have certainly not taught you so much, leading me, at least, to doubt the reality of your claims.  Your ignorance and misinformation of all things Chinese clearly indicates that if ever you did actually pass through you did not see or learn anything.

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      kimberlyslyricsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      lmfao Sab Oh
      
      
      
      that's all
      
      

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   Greek Oneposted 13 years ago

   what are they protesting?

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      Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Greeks.

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         Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Then I'm all for it

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         kephriraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Did the Greeks come bearing gifts or something? I'm told you have to beware of those.

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      china manposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      They are protesting the Japanese territorial claims to a few small rocks that give China fishing rights very close to Japan - this has been ongoing for centuries as far as I am aware but is now tangled up with the business of the US arms sales to Taiwan.  Japan also bought a shedload of the US debt from China recently, probably under pressure from the US to counter the Chinese 'news advantage' of appearing to be bailing the US out.

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