Did Obama sink the Titanic?!

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   Petra Vlahposted 13 years ago

   Let me be clear; there are plenty of things Obama did or didn’t do in those two years, so I am far from happy, but let’s try to be fair. He inherited a terrible economic mess and two wars with no end in sight; there is no denying that 
   He made plenty of mistakes on his own and there is no denying that either. The promised “transparency” of the campaign became the most opaque dealing in Washington and “business as usual” was doing well. Counting on the enthusiasm that swept the country 2 years ago, Obama did not understand that the youth is a moving target and obsessed only with the new gadget that hits the market. Losing the vote of the senior citizens (for good reason) cost the administration the congress and just about the senate.
   Blaming Obama for everything and forgetting that he could not get the republicans on board and pass their emphatic no to any initiative is not fair either, but now that power seems to be distributed more evenly let’s see what happens next.

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      sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I am hoping that they can make some more progress now however Boehner wasn't exactly...well he was the guy who told the entire RP to say no to everything and like someone else said somewhere; I think their objective is to impeach the president. 
      
      I don't see a lot of positive coming out of this.  The balance is good yet, the House has "veto" power and I think it is unlikely that anything will get accomplished without reverting back to the "let's make a deal". 
      
      Not exactly what I wanted.  Hoping for negotiations yes, but not bribery.  We will see what happens.

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         BillyDRitchieposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         The problem here is that no one in GOP ranks has mentioned the idea of impeachment.  My guess would be because while Obama may be inept and incompetent, those characteristics hardly rise to the level of "high crimes"

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      weholdthesetruthsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      No, Obama sunk his party, which is a net gain to the country.

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         Petra Vlahposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I believe that to be only partially his fault; Nancy Pelosi certainly did not help the democrats and personally I am happy to see her gone.
         If anything now we have a more balanced government and that should help - too much power of any one political party -  is detrimental for the country

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            Neil Sperlingposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Power Corrupts - Absolute power corrupts absolutely! Forget who that quote is from but too much power and or too much money in too few hands = absolute corruption..... the world today!
            
            there is hope of course - we the people may be disillusioned * but we are not dead.
            
            * (our own fault likely as we are too focused on gadgets and getting by WITH as many as we can get)

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               Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Nicely said Neil! It's great to see you. It's been awhile. Hope things are well for you.

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               Petra Vlahposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               The quote belongs to Lord Acton "power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men"

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                  Neil Sperlingposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Cagsil - good to see you too -
                  
                  Petre - Thanks My for the quote details. They say if you quote another 7 times you still include the author - When you quote 8-14 times you say "you heard someone say......."  - if you quote another more than 15 times you say "I always said....."  LOL

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               weholdthesetruthsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Power corrupts... Which is why our federal government was supposed to have very little power - so it would not become wholly corrupt.

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      dutchman1951posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      The Democratic Titanic attitude they once had, yes
      but the actual ship of state, NO.
      
      Give him time though, its coming and not necessarly of all his own doing I will say, but it is coming I think.
      
      I watched him close today, and I really think he did not get the message at all. I hope so for all of us, but I have doubts for myself about it.

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         Petra Vlahposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I think he did get the message. Obama is an intelligent man and he is probably looking back and trying to figure out what went wrong.
         He most certainly bough into his own fame and got disconnected (as it often happens with people in power), but he still have time to make adjustments, or at least I hope so

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            dutchman1951posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I hope so to Petra, and maybe in looking back on today he well may be still sorting it out some. I did agree with him that there is a difference between a reaction to an emergency and a policy stance, and in truth he may well have had to do some stuff he was not all together in favor of doing. But he blew a year and a half doing that and just concentrating on health care?
            
            I guess it is really is to soon to tell, have to really see the results finally played out. But you got to admit here some of these high brain trust guys he uses leave some things to question.
            
            Like today announcing the Fed will buy up the 6 million or billion rather in our own Bonds? Makes me question his influences and his allowing things like that to happen? We can not buy our own Debt and get out of this.
            
            And if we keep de-valuing the Gold backing, then even the weakest 3rd world country is smart enough to know when the dollar is no longer strong enough to deal on. We are slowly sinking down. Loosing world markets for goods, and we have over a long period of time now, (many years) sent our factories off-shore and cross border.
            
            Sense Regan!...yes the great Regan!   We have a fractured our factory environment and that has depressed a job market. Small business can not carry this load.  By definition it is small, and can not hire what we need to grow and raise the GDP like they say they want to do. It is a really bad situation we are in.
            
            I honestly do not think he has any answers at all, to me he seams very axiomatic (learn as you go) and we, right now do not have time for that. he's a good man in the Presidency at the wrong time, for the level of experience we really need in the US. To me he is out of place and timing for the U.S. right now.
            
            You have to open opportunity to compete in a world market, then get out of the way and let businessmen be businessmen. Government throughout history has never created jobs!  That's why I say he is missing the message we sent.

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            weholdthesetruthsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Obama still believes, as does the Democrat party, that the problem is, that they didn't go far enough to the left, and that they didn't get nasty enough with the GOP.   
            
            They know not the nation they seek to rule...  It's a nation which is never to be ruled, so saith the Constitution.

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               Doug Hughesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Ummm .. I thought I have been all over the Constitution and I am not familiar with that clause.. or do you just make stuff up as you go along?

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                  weholdthesetruthsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I'm pretty sure you're just not familiar with the Constitution.   You know, like someone who memorizes stuff, not to understand, but to spit it out from memory...

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                  weholdthesetruthsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  And while you're dreaming up some kind of ad hominem style comeback, start reading to try to find ANYWHERE in the Constitution and first 10 amendments where the federal government is delegated ANY power that allows it to control or force anything up a citizen.   
                  
                  It doesn't exist.   The federal government was never intended to control, govern, limit, or otherwise trample upon the citizens.

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                     Petra Vlahposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Tell that to Bush!
                     His Patriotic Act tramples allover the right of citizens and makes the "Bill of Rights" a bad joke. But than again, nobody expects him to have read or understood much of anything

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                        weholdthesetruthsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Bush is not president.  Doesn't hold any office.   NEver will again.   Bush is irrelevant to the rest of time.    So why are you talking about him?

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                           Petra Vlahposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Thank God Bush will never hold office again; he did enough damage to set this country back a hundred years. Bush was irrelevant even at the time when his vice president was running the country for him. That was always his biggest asset - to be irrelevant
                           
                           You said "the federal government was never intended to control, to govern, limit, or otherwise trample upon the citizen" - to which I said "tell that to Bush" so what is it that you do not understand?
                           The relevance of my answere is there for everyone to see it, but I believe you DO NOT want to see it

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                              uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              The Patriot Act has been renewed under President Hussein and expanded with additional investigative and policing powers requested.  It is probably best to keep both eyes open not just your left eye.  Guantanamo is still open, there are still renditions, there is a growing drone war in Pakistan - not a Bush policy held over but a BHO original, the "sneak and peak" provision have been renewed.  The Patriot Act didn't exit the White House with President Bush and it certainly isn't being undone by President Hussein.

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      tony0724posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      In all fairness to Obama I do not think he sank the Titanic there are many responsible for our demise and it started many years ago with both parties. This is the start of the culmation of those actions. And the Fed is going to be printing up funny money again. SO what costed you $10.00 this year will cost you $12.00 next year. And this is where the problem started , with the Fed. Thank's Woodrow Wilson ! Read " The Creature From Jekyll Island " by E Howard Griffin. This was the genesis of our current problems !

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         Neil Sperlingposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Those who do not understand how money is actually created can get an easy to understand look (listen) if they googled "wizards of money" ... it is an audio series that explains it in layman terms. 21 audios in all - the first one is the important one. About 20 minutes each but 20 minutes well spent.

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      itakinsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Petra Viah
      Why do we bandy the word power about so much?-surely it should be about leadership -and whether a person/persons are good or bad leaders.
      A good leader never seeks power as such,although great responsibilities may be thrust upon him/her.He leads from the front .the midst or the back -but he always leads with transparency and honesty-for the good of all.
      
      Did Obama sink the Titanic?-No ,but he's making a darn good job of sinking the Ark.

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   Hawkers Bazaarposted 13 years ago

   I think Obama didn't sink the Titanic, I think he has struggled to raise the Titanic. I don't think anyone in his power could have stopped it from sinking in the first place and who knows how long it will take to raise it to when she was previously sailing strong?

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   Cagsilposted 13 years ago

   Did Obama sink the Titanic?!
   
   Personally, this Country hasn't been properly governed since it's inception.

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   brimancandyposted 13 years ago

   No, I don't think Obama sank the Titanic, but, I think Bush could be the Iceburg that ripped it down the middle, and, Obama has been the only one with a bucket, trying to bail out the water to keep it from sinking, while the rest of the members in our government don wigs, and try to dive into the nearest lifeboat, and, lay low til the coast is clear, so they can blame someone else for how they got there to begin with.
   
   It's no certainly no surprise that the last 10 years have been a complete mess, and since Obama has only been President for 2 of those years. Well, You do the math.

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   Rochelle Frankposted 13 years ago

   He didn't sink it, there were lots of factors in play, but he took the helm and is the captain in charge.

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   GladYaMetMe!posted 13 years ago

   Obama sank nothing; uniformed and misinformed fools believed lies and unscrupulous media hype and then proceeded to vote against their own interests.
   Too many Americans are lazy and ignorant when it comes to politics and are easily led down the garden path.  Add fear and anxiety to that mix and it becomes a demagogue's paradise.  Fox and the mega-corporations win again.

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   barryrutherfordposted 13 years ago

   There are so many things I could talk about here.  In my view the Bush/Cheney Presidency trashed the reputation of the United States and brought it to its knees.
   
   The suspension of the Rule of Law/Upholding the Us Constitution/suspension of Habeus Corpus in relation to detainees held by the Govt following 9/11,
   
   A casual and relaxed governance of U.S. Financial Institutions which allowed the creation of default deposit swaps that almost brought the world to economic gridlock & depression.
   
   The falsificiation and deceipt, denegration and misrepresentation of evidence to the United Nations prior to the start of the 2nd Iraq War.
   
   Failure of Bush and Cheney to attend to Climate Change/Global warming
   by saying its business as usual and therefore not leading the country out of being the wolds biggest polluter ans waster of resources...
   
   This is/was  the poisoned chalice that was left to the intelligent/articluate orator the black skinned Barack Obama..
   
   now many of the billie tea brigade want to go back to those sad stupid times how silly is that..

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   Flightkeeperposted 13 years ago

   Did Obama sink the Titanic? Possibly. He spent so much money with nothing much to show for it but a lot of debt.  Think about it; Obama has labelled the Republicans that were there the Party of No and yet, the Party of No won by a landslide.  It seems to me that there were a lot of people who liked that the Republicans said no to his policies.  Hopefully he does get it but I don't think so.

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   rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago

   I know you are not naive enough to believe that is why the republicans won more seats. corporations bought a lot of these seats. Tea Party votes came from those fed up with the party of NO currently sitting in Congress. others gave Rep. a second chance influenced by the fear tactics from countless media attacks.

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      Petra Vlahposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Fear works every time; hope not as fast, so no wonder...
      Let's see what happens next, but let's also remember "the more things change, the more they stay the same"

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         rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         yes, it does and fear breeds on ignorance.
         
         it will take compromise on all sides of the aisle.
         I simply hope that they will grow up and work together. that is hope with a big H, I know.. not likely. their agenda is to make Obama a one term president, their agenda is not country first. but they make it sound that way.. the prey is the masses.
         we'll see how they keep their campaign pledge. I do hope there is room for civility.
         
         in answer to your question, no, I don't think so. it's been sinking for a while now. sometimes I think they simply need to remember what they learned in kindergarten.. and it would be a better world.

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      Flightkeeperposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I know that the democrats don't like to face reality but corporations did buy more democrats in this election but it didn't help them.
      
      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 06753.html
      
      Yes, it was tea party votes, they are the ones that are revitalizing the Republican Party from the dead.  They have become a force that the dems and the RINOs have to deal with.  And yes they made the landslide win of the party of no possible
      
      And as for fear tactics, the lamestream media certainly did a good job of putting the fear on liberals regarding the tea party.
      
      Did anyone tune in to the MSNBC election reporting? It was hilarious!

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    thooghunposted 13 years ago

    Its amazing. We had the exact same debates only a few years ago -- but entirely reversed. When the accusers were the accused, and vice-versa.

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       Petra Vlahposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Just like I said; "the more things change, the more they stay the same"

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