Conservative Hypocrites

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   LBModposted 10 years ago

   Maybe I'm crazy but this doesn't make sense:
   
   The main plank of the Conservative platform is less government involvement or intrusion in our lives. Conservatives are so afraid of Obama and the Democrats taking over their lives and America becoming a socialist nation. Healthcare, infringement on the 2nd Amendment, removing all business regulations and keeping government hands out of our pockets are trademarks of the Conservative movement in this country.
   
   Another big part of the Conservative platform is the move to make abortion illegal.
   
   So my question is this;
   
   Conservatives, if you are so against government intruding on your lives and telling you how to live it, why do you want the government to make abortion illegal so badly? It seems a bit hypocritical to say that the government having it's hand in your pockets and in your healthcare is un-American and will not be tolerated anymore, but the government having it's hand in a woman's uterus is perfectly acceptable?
   
   If government is so bad at running everything else then why the hell should they be able to tell people what to do with their own bodies.

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   Rabid Pumaposted 10 years ago

   Cross-posted from your identical hub:
   
   It isn't motivated at all by a desire to control someone's body. The idea is the protection of life.
   
   Does it confound you that conservatives think murder should be illegal? If not, then you should be able to understand why your question doesn't make sense the way you've cast it. If yes, then it would behoove you to spend a little more time trying to understand where your enemy is coming from.

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      LBModposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      The fact that you refer to anti abortionists as my enemy is really disappointing but not surprising taking into account your political stance especially in the wake of what happened in Tucson.
      
      And smart guy, your quesion doesnt make any sense. If conservatives want abortion illegal why would it confound me that they also feel murder should be illegal. If you asked if the fact that Liberals are in favor of it and think murder should be illegal that would be slightly less rediculous. And it's not a quesion of right and wrong, it's a question of government involvement in our lives. Everything about Conservative ideaology is to let people live their lives the way they want to except for this one issue.
      
      If you think the government should step in here then why are you (I assume you're a conservative) or conservatives in general so against the health care bill because it's basically government takeover or any of the hundreds of other examples where conservatives want the government to just butt out? If the government is so wrong and so corrupt why are they right about this? Oh that's right, because YOU agree with this one.

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         Rabid Pumaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         I meant "enemy" in a very loose sense.
         
         I will try to simplify my point, since it was apparently unclear: if you oppose abortion on the grounds that the baby is alive, then restricting abortion is a natural extension of laws against murder. Even most ardent libertarians would agree that that's a legitimate function of government.
         
         To state it another way: maximizing freedom requires restricting the ability of some to infringe on the freedoms of others. Protecting the right to life necessarily restricts what people can do to other people, but the primary goal of maximizing freedom is still met.

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            LBModposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            I didn't write it with the intent of changing minds because we are all naive to think a couple of paragraphs on a subject so sensitive is rediculous. I'd be very interested to know if you apply your 'maximizing freedom requires restricting the ability of some to infringe on the freedoms of others' as it would apply to the second ammendment.

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               Rabid Pumaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               How would it apply to the second amendment?

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      LBModposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      But the more important part of the argument is this: Not one pro choice person would ever encourage someone to have an abortion. Why do you want to take the choice away. I can even understand the protection of life argument even though I don't feel the same way. But why would you take the choice away? Trust me, no one wants to have an abortion. But if two teenagers make a mistake should they be saddled for the rest of their lives with that mistake? SHould the kid have to grow up in substandard conditions with the unfit parents or spend it's life shuffling through foster homes? Or if a woman gets raped, should she be forced to keep the reminder of that horribe incident? That's the thing that disturbs me the most about this subject. Anti-abortionists seem to think that pro choice people view abortion as a simple errand no more consequential than going to the supermarket. No, it's a horrible decision to have to make, but it's a decision that should be in the hands of the people who know the situation best.

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         Rabid Pumaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         I don't want to restrict choice, force hard times on people or send a child through foster care. I also don't want babies being killed. If the two things I want come into conflict, I will elect to act in the interest of the babies.
         
         I absolutely agree that a woman should have the right to do whatever she likes with her own body. I disagree that a woman has the right to decide whether her baby lives or dies and maintain that the state has an interest in protecting life.

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   Mighty Momposted 10 years ago

   Being against abortion, or "pro-life" is not at all inconsistent with Conservative values. That is one of the cornerstones of Christian belief which is the cornerstone of Conservative thought.
   A better example of hypocrisy might be the inconsistency in value of ALL human life after it emerges from the womb.
   Not to mention the pro-death penalty stance.
   
   But if you are a Conservative, it all makes perfect sense and there is no inconsistency about it.

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      Rabid Pumaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I don't agree that being opposed to abortion and in favor of the death penalty is hypocritical any more than thinking that law abiding citizens shouldn't be incarcerated but criminals should.
      
      Killing a murderer and killing an innocent are not equatable. It's not hypocrisy to treat two substantively different groups of people differently.

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      LBModposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Mighty Mom:
      
      You missed my point. I didn't say abortion is not in line with other conservative ideals. I said conservative's position on government intervention on the personal lives of citizens in the case of abortion is the complete opposite of their position on governmnet intervention in every other instance
      
      In other words, you think the government is too incompetent to do the things it was designed to do, but those same incompetent people should be the ones deciding whether or not you have to keep a child.
      
      And again, i cannot say this enough; No pro choice individual wants to have an abortion, it is a horrible decision to have to make but in some cases it is the best decision.

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   Mighty Momposted 10 years ago

   Oh, I forgot to mention.
   Government intervention is perfectly ok if we're denying gays their right to serve openly in the military or marry.

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   Evan G Rogersposted 10 years ago

   any logic loving individual MUST realize that, indeed, conservatives make an mistake here.
   
   Liberals are just as guilty in other areas.

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