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   lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

   The new targets for today's Gestapo are women, muslims and poor people.
   
   GOP Bill Would Force IRS to Conduct Abortion Audits
   "Were you raped? Was it incest? And other questions the government's tax cops would have to ask women who've terminated pregnancies."
   
   — By Nick Baumann
   
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   http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/03 … ion-audits

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      stclairjackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      i'm a disgruntled elephant,... and generaly send my fellow party member away shaking or scratching thier heads,... the IRS is a prety big hammer,... if it were up to me, the federal IRS would be abolished,.... and the states would handle tax colection, turning the feds portion over to the treasury,..
      
      you might ask what this has to do with your post,... sure would take the big hammer away from those ho might wield it doesnt it?

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      Garrett Mickleyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      For one thing, this doesn't apply to every abortion.  This applies to every audit done that happens to be a woman who had an abortion within the time frame in question.  Also, it only applies to those women who used government benefits to pay for said abortion.
      
      That being said, I don't feel it's right the IRS should have to make a woman re-live any trauma in her life (well, anyone reliving any trauma in their life).
      
      However, on the other hand, I don't want my taxes paying for some person's abortion who had a one night stand or something and claimed it was rape or whatever.  Hopefully, they put other things in place like, for example, if you didn't file a police report you don't get the government help for the abortion.  I don't mind helping someone out was raped or who's own life was at stake, but if you got knocked up and just aren't ready for a kid, I don't feel any of my or anyone's tax money should pay for your abortion.

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         stclairjackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         i may be mistaken but thier are already laws on he books that prevent government tax $ from paying for abortions,... so why have the IRS ask such questions?

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            Garrett Mickleyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            If you read the article you would see that the questions are only in cases where the person did use government money, and also happen to be audited that year.
            
            If there are already laws on the books that prevent government tax money from paying for abortions, then you have nothing to complain about.
            
            EDIT: Here, I found the quote 2nd paragraph, last sentence: "...during an audit, they'd have to detemine, from evidence provided by the taxpayer, whether any tax benefit had been inappropriately used to pay for an abortion."

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               stclairjackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               i see,.... seems like logical oversight of tax payer funds,.... but also seems intrusive at the same time,... i dont want the auditors job.

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         Jim Hunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         "That being said, I don't feel it's right the IRS should have to make a woman re-live any trauma in her life (well, anyone reliving any trauma in their life)."
         
         What "trauma" are you referring to?

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            Garrett Mickleyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            A woman being raped and getting pregnant and choosing to have an abortion.

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            kerrygposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            "What "trauma" are you referring to?"
            
            Rape and incest are "trauma" now? In quotes? Seriously?
            
            Fuck you.
            
            I will probably get my first ever forum ban for this, but it will be worth it.

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               Garrett Mickleyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Did I say incest?  I don't see that anywhere...
               
               As usual, someone on Hubpages forums putting words into others' mouths.

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                  kerrygposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I was talking to Jim, not you.
                  
                  The OP:
                  
                  "Were you raped? Was it incest? And other questions the government's tax cops would have to ask women who've terminated pregnancies."

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                     Garrett Mickleyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Oh my mistake, I see what you're saying now, and fully agree that rape must be traumatizing.
                     
                     Anyone who doesn't think rape is a traumatizing experience...well...why don't you come over and I'll get my friend Bubba and we'll see if you're not traumatized afterwards...

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               lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I agree.
               
               People like him make me so angry, it goes beyond words.
               
               That burning in the pit of my stomache.
               
               They are gestapo in my view. Cold blooded. No human compassion. period.

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                  kerrygposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Eh, he's obviously a troll, so I don't usually give a **** what he says. He'd claim the sky was pea-green if he thought it would get someone riled up. But he overstepped on this one.

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                     Garrett Mickleyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     He must live a miserable life.

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                  BillyDRitchieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Yeah, just like those doctors that rip fully formed viable babies apart and re assemble them on the table to make sure they got it all are just oozing with compassion, right?

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                     lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Actually yes, they are.
                     They are providing a medical procedure legally sanctioned in this country.
                     Why you have a problem with that, but not guns, war and the death penalty, is beyond me.
                     
                     I mean, what do you think happened when that guy shot Tiller in the head? Think there might have been some blood, guts and gore?
                     Think watching a lethal injection is for the faint of heart?
                     
                     First you have to have a heart.

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   BillyDRitchieposted 12 years ago

   I was not aware the Gestapo were alive and well in our country today, so I'll have to pass on LMC's "conclusions"

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      Garrett Mickleyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      "I was not aware the Gestapo were alive and well in our country today"
      
      Have you turned on the television in the last 10 years?

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         stclairjackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         lol!

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         BillyDRitchieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         The truly sad part is that the people spouting this stuff actually believe it.....

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   lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

   Singling out people to harass...yeah, I'd say it's the Gestapo.
   Singling out people as "bad" and "good'. "acceptable", and not.
   It is very much Gestapo tactics.
   And intrusive.
   And big gvt in our private lives.
   
   Using gvt to promote personal beliefs, under threat of punishment....HEIL!

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      Garrett Mickleyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Did you even read the article?
      
      The IRS already audits people.  The article is about a bill that says when a person is audited, and they had an abortion, and they used some sort of tax benefit to pay for said abortion, then they need to be able to show evidence that they properly applied the tax benefit and aren't performing any kind of tax fraud.
      
      I'm not saying the government is NOT doing things that are borderline harassment, intrusive, and straight up WRONG.  I'm just saying that this particular thing is not.

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         lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         It's a private matter, tax money or not.
         Or is the 8th amendment null and void?
         
         This is another attempt to harrass women because these Republicans in charge are anti-choice.
         
         
         
         Or, I trust, if they audit a man using Viagra(also tax-payer funded), they will ask him if he "got it up"?

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            Garrett Mickleyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I don't know, but I don't think Viagra should be tax-payer funded either.

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   lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

   Or, since you read the article, maybe you read the comments:
   
   "Masturbation by males is also extermination of a future potential life. The Torah specifically bans male masturbation or any form of sex that does not culminate in semen entering the v*gina. That's because it is not up to YOU to waste that potential life. It's up to God as to whether or not he is going to give one of the sperm cells a life. That's why if you masturbate, you go to hell just as surely as if you abort. You just subverted God's will for private pleasure or convenience."
    
   "Oh goody - can we prosecute all those males who self gratify??? Can the IRS just burst into the bathroom/bedroom and check on them? After all, it is an abortion of sorts."

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      Garrett Mickleyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      That has nothing to do with the IRS because tax money isn't being used to pay for the masturbation.

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         lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         But suppose he's living ON tax-payer money?
         SS, disabilty, etc.

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            BillyDRitchieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I thought you were fine with that.  After all, you're entitled to my income, right?
            
            How much was that you need again?

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               lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               If he qualifies for disability,more power to him.
               From what I hear, it is very difficult to do.
               In fact, he probably should get more, what with the cost of everything rising so much.
               
               Since those corporate ceo's need so much of my money too.

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            Garrett Mickleyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            That's still completely different.  Masturbating doesn't cost extra money.  It's free.
            
            An abortion costs extra money.
            
            However, if a woman is on SS/disability/whatever, and is allotted X amount of money a month to spend on bills/food/whatever and they choose to spend that money on an abortion, then I suppose I'm okay with that.  They've gone through the government process of obtaining that money legally and appropriately (whether or not these gov't process are good/bad/acceptable/wrong/etc is another argument), therefore the money is theirs.

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               lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Well Hooorah!! A fair-minded person!!

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