Tell me again how well the Republicans manage money...?

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   Mighty Momposted 12 years ago

   http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the … ml?hpid=z6
   
   For the month of February:
   RNC raised $5.2 million
   RNC  spent $5.3 million 
   RNC  ended month with $2.1 million in the bank
   
   DNC raised $7.1 million
   DNC spent $5.7 million
   DNC ended the month with $10.5 million cash on hand
   
   RNC $21 million in debt
   DNC $17.9 million in debt
   
   So let me get this straight
   1. The Republicans spent $.1 million MORE than they made whereas The Democrats spent $1.4 LESS than they made
   2. The Republicans have $8.4 LESS in the bank than the Dems
   3. The Republicans are $3.1 million MORE in debt than the Dems
   
   Hmmmmm.

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      Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Hey Mighty Mom, I think the part of your post that I left for you to see, should tell you enough about politicians in general. As I've been saying all along.

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      C.J. Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      It's their money.....What's more telling is how they spend  "OUR" money.

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   Mighty Momposted 12 years ago

   Agreed.
   "You can't even run your own debt, I'll be damned if you'll run mine!"

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      Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Good to know we're on the same page.
      I added something in bold to your quote.

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      Jim Hunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Hmmmm is right.
      
      The RNC raised money and blew it or whatever, the difference is the money belonged to the RNC.
      
      Its what they do with my money that counts.
      
      Our did you forget that part?

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   Ron Montgomeryposted 12 years ago

   That's Obama's fault.  When we declared war on Iraq because there was no other way, we increased our debt.  Now we have had to declare war on Obama, and the debt is justified.
   
   www.hateobamadaily.com

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   Mighty Momposted 12 years ago

   Yes. Obama is responsible for the RNC's debt.
   He is responsible for my debt. For your debt.
   For everyone's debt.
   He must be stopped by any means necessary.
   Good thing our citizen militia is armed and ready for war!

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      Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah, let's gather all the homeless(45million) and bring them to Washington for protest.
      
      The sad part is there are more homeless than military personnel.

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         Doug Hughesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I am going to make a correction.  The homeless are hard to count, but I think the estimate should be 4.5 million. That's larger than the US military, which is easier to count, about 3 million.
         
         Absolutely no offense intended, Cags, as you are notoriously honest in your posts.

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            Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            You mean you're going to pass along misinformation.
            Incorrect, but nice try. The homeless % is 15% of the population. You do the math.
            
            350 Million citizens(total population- consensus is (resident/households= 306 million)) x 15% = ? (around 52.5  million now- my figures are at least two years old)
            
            Yes it is.
            No offense taken, just to be clear.

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               Doug Hughesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Source, please.
               
               I'm extremely sympathetic to the plight of the homeless. No, I am not trying to deny or understate the importance of the problem. But your numbers are a lot higher than the estimates I have seen.

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         logic,commonsenseposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         How many made the choice to be homeless by giving up?

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            John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            It makes it a lot easier on the conscience, blaming the homeless for their predicament doesn't it?

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               Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Hey John, some can be blamed for their own predicament, but most cannot.

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                  John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes, totally, including the mentally ill and the generally incapable, but not all!
                  I'd say that your 10% is a little high.

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                     Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Like I said, it was a guess.

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            Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Hey Logic, I would say about 10% of those who are homeless, but that would just be a guess, and it would be based on anger about government and it's ineffectiveness to what's best for the country.

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   Mighty Momposted 12 years ago

   45 million homeless, 47 million uninsured.
   Sounds like a sizeable march on our nation's capital!

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      Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Okay, it seems like you've a misunderstanding Mighty Mom and hopefully I can clear it up for you- There are 45 million homeless...these are part of the 47 million uninsured- the other 2 million had just simply refused to buy insurance because they could pay for their hospital bills without the insurance company, because they didn't go to the hospital that much.
      In one way it would be.

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   Mighty Momposted 12 years ago

   I do understand there is overlap between the 45 million homeless and 47 million uninsured.
   I was fooling around with adding the two numbers together
   But I think you're missing a big portion of the uninsured. That is people who are turned down for healthcare coverage. It has nothing to do with "refusing to buy it" it is being denied by the insurance companies.
   People without health insurance are playing Russian roulette. "... they could pay their hospital bills without the insurance company because they didn't go to the hospital that much..."
   All it takes is ONE visit to the ER in an ambulance. That is beyond the financial reach of most of us working stiff Americans....
   But other than that, the march sounds like a wonderful idea!

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      Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      

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   Mighty Momposted 12 years ago

   Perhaps we should stage this march in Arizona where no one will mind when we bring our concealed weaspons .
   And your sunglasses will fit right in (although they would in DC, too).

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      SarahPalinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I can lend you some rifles.

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   Mighty Momposted 12 years ago

   Thanks, SP. That would be swell.
   Can you show me how use those little cross-hairs thingies too?

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   lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

   In all the time I've been alive, there has never been a Republican adm. of any kind that has "managed" money.
   They give it to all their special interests, and the hell with everybody else.
   I once read a quote from a young woman..20 something. She said, "Our policies favor the very rich and the very poor, and they take from the middle to pay for them both."

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      logic,commonsenseposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      We can count the billions that Obama has made available to his campaign donors.
      Both parties are guilty of giving away taxpayer money, that' why they both need to be limited by limiting government.

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         lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         You can. I see him trying to help people like me!

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            Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Hey LMC, help you at what cost?

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               lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               It's 95% of the population...I'd say we are worth it!

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                  Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  It's 95% of the population? Are you pulling statistics out of thin air now or what?
                  
                  15% of the population is homeless
                  20% are millionaires?
                  
                  So, what 95% are you talking about?

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                     lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     The 95% who are paying the price for the wealth to rise to the top 5%.
                     
                     Or, is it worse???
                     
                     I'm sure you have heard...400 people own more wealth than 155 million....
                     400 vs 155 million......whoah!

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                        Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        You are a walking example of those who do not understand the proper use of America's way of life, known as Capitalism.
                        
                        Good to know.
                        
                        *and people wonder what's wrong with America and why people of America, lack any understanding of their own country.

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            BillyDRitchieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            And how much of somebody else's income are you entitled to again, LMC?

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               John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               And how much of your income is big business entitled to?

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                  BillyDRitchieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Whatever I feel their product or service is worth.
                  
                  Now would you care to answer my question or will you continue ducking it?

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                     John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     I have in the past answered your question, whereas you constantly evade answering mine!
                     You have no more say in how much of your tax go to support big business than you have in how much of your tax goes to support those in need.
                     I would much rather my taxes went to support the needy than to support the already wealthy.

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                        BillyDRitchieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        You've been dodging my question from the beginning, and now you're accusing me of the same......this "I know you are but what am I" debate tactic really gets tiresome......

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                           John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           Aw diddums! Sorry I can't give you the answer that you want to hear but I'll try again, you pay taxes to the government and they decide how it is distributed, it isn't up to LMC or anybody else to take YOUR money, your argument is with government.
                           Now you tell me how much of your money big business is entitled to because you don't seem to care about that, you only seem to care how much the needy get.
                           Your one track mind is very tiresome, but answer me this if you can, how do you fancy several million people running riot and robbing at will because they have no other option?

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                              BillyDRitchieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              One track mind?  On success probably, which may go a long way towards explaining why some of us have money in our bank accounts and others (cough, LMC, cough) are red faced with hysteria over that fact.
                              
                              As I said, (you obviously weren't listening), business is entitled to whatever I think their product or service is worth.  If I find it inadequate or too expensive I either look elsewhere for a comparable service.
                              
                              Or does that make too much sense?
                              
                              And I'm sorry, but if you are in favor of government redistribution of wealth, then you obviously should have an idea of how much of that wealth others are entitled to.  I'd like to think you've at least thought your convictions through to a degree....

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                                 John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 No, you're obviously not listening! I'm not talking about money that you choose to spend and can influence who is in receipt of  that money, I'm talking about money that you pay in taxes that is redirected to big business with no control on your part.
                                 
                                 Frankly, I'd much rather my tax money went to somebody who needed help to put a roof over their head or food in their belly than to some corporation or to wage war to protect the interests of big business.

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                                    Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    Agreed.

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                                    BillyDRitchieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    And you can control money after it leaves your hands?
                                    
                                    I think it is safe to assume that at least a part of any money we spend is probably used in some way that we might personally find unaccceptable.
                                    
                                    Of course I'm also in favor of corporations taking full benefit of any and all tax breaks that they are allowed by law......I am not in favor of providing more  milk for the government teat for the moocher class to suck off of.......sorry about that.

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                                       Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                       The money the government receives is different than the money business receives. The money government receives should be used how the people want it used.
                                       The people don't have a say in how a business uses the money, unless they are stockholders/shareholders of the company.
                                       That's all well and good, but not when it costs lives of people within society. At some point it is going to become a detriment to the survival of society, then the wealthy won't be able to get their tax breaks.
                                       You're not sorry about it and that's obvious, you just don't care about anyone other than yourself.

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                                       John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                       Of course you can't control the money after it has left your hands!
                                       
                                       Strange how you are in favour of your taxes going to support big business directly but you resist indirect aid to them in the form of wage supplements.
                                       
                                       Your attitude reminds me very much of Thatcher whose policies directly put 2.5-3 million people out of work and onto benefits and who then castigated those very same people as scroungers and lay-abouts!
                                       
                                       You really need to think a bit deeper and lessen the knee-jerk reaction.

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               Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Leaving LMC out of the equation, it isn't about "entitled" to, it's about the sad mentality that many people cannot make their own way within mainstream society, because of people having the mentality you have in your post.
               
               The federal government taxes people(all people) to a certain degree. What it does with the money? Should be specific and based on what the people want them to do with it.
               
               Supposedly, the people have a say in what and how the money government received, yet their are more homeless than there are people serving in the military.
               
               It's nice to see that you don't care for your fellow citizens and I can see by many of your posts that you were raised not to give a damn. You do realize- selfishness is definitely not a good thing and had you understood that, then you would be more helpful than not.

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    barryrutherfordposted 12 years ago

    Let's make a cup of teas & call it a Tea Perty

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       Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Tea Party = Tinkerbell Party...a cast of cartoon characters.

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          lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Cartoon characters who managed to take control of the agenda of our gvt?
          
          They are far more dangerous than that. And sneaky. Kind of like Cruella DeVille--if we are gonna use cartoons.

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    BillyDRitchieposted 12 years ago

    You'll forgive me, John, if I am not in favor of the government determining wages.
    
    (sarcasm on) And of course given your reasonable and well thought out arguments, I will do my best to curb the knee jerk if it pleases you (sarcasm off)

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       John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       But are you in favour of the government subsidizing wages?
       Without government subsidy you would end up paying a lot more for the heavily subsidised goods that you buy, or end up with far more civil unrest.
       
       
       It is hard to enter a reasonable and well thought out argument when the argument is with somebody who is neither well thought out or reasonable, whose mind is closed to reality and humanity.

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          BillyDRitchieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Well, for it to be so hard, and for me to be such an unworthy opponent, you sure do seem to keep crawling back for more.....

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             John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             Hope springs eternal!

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    Mighty Momposted 12 years ago

    So what, exactly, did the RNC do with all that money? THEY don't even know. They're not even close to finding all the damage Michael Steele did during his term in charge.
    
    And actually, no. It's not only what they (or the DNC or the federal government) do with the money that counts. It's also about spending within your means (e.g., not incurring massive DEBT).
    The point is here we have a party that proclaims to be more fiscally responsible than the Dems and the ones we should trust with our tax money.
    The example set by the RNC's budget vs. the DNC's budget doesn't exactly instill confidence.

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    lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

    Exactly. Just as their moral superiority falls flat.Like a squashed banana.
    Best moment in politcs was when the Rethugs were going after Clinton, and Penthouse magazine did an expose of all the depravity going on with them.
    ...Or it was Rep Woolsey(?) standing up on the floor of the House and saying, "I have been married to the same man for 30 years. And I have to listen to lectures on morality from people who are on their third or fourth wife"
    Booyah!!

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       BillyDRitchieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Because we all KNOW the Democrats have the market cornered on morality, right?

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    lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

    They don't pretend to....Repubs do.

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       BillyDRitchieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       So because the Dems celebrate their immorality, that makes it okay.
       
       The hoops you jump through to defend your sacred liberal elite are amazing, LMC.....

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    Mighty Momposted 12 years ago

    It's not a question of "celebrating" it's a question of not being hypocritical about it. The problem comes when a representative (or an entire party) act all holier than thou and try to impose their "morals" on the rest of us while privately they are engaging in the exact kind of immorality they vote against.
    
    The same argument goes for money managing.
    The RNC's debt wouldn't be an issue if the Republicans didn't hold themselves out there are money managers supreme.
    
    In both instances, there's a credibility gap between who you say you are (or maybe "think" you are) and who you REALLY are.

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    Mighty Momposted 12 years ago

    Ah, but they tell us they don't want to spend our money!
    (Oh wait -- they already DID, from 2000 to 2008!!!).
    
    They now tell us they want to cut spending of our money! At least, for programs they don't approve of -- even if said programs make only a teeny weenie dent in the federal deficit.
    
    Frankly, I don't want them either spending OR cutting on my behalf!

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    lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

    Me neither!
    
    They want to spend OUR money on THEIR friends....
    who then kick US in the teeth.
    
    "Go on, take the money and run, yeah yeah yeah,."

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