Are Liberals Being Psychologically Conditioned to Perpetrate Violence?

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AnnCeeposted 14 years ago
It seems to me that attacks on Conservatives or Christians are being applauded on the left. Would it take much more than a wink or a nod from the "proper authorities" to bring on all out physical violence against deniers, birthers, Republicans? The Germans before Hitler were just ordinary people like you and me. And after him they became ordinary people once again.

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  lovemychrisposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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  Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Has anyone told you lately that you are an idiot? Not violence or hate, just my opinion...
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  prettydarkhorseposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And I agree with your opinion, his/her ideas are full of idiocy, and you can't separate the bearer of ideas and the idea itself, so yes he/she is an idiot.
  
  I also think AnnCee is psychologically conditioned to post such high falutin ideas.
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  Doug Hughesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Let's see... is the NRA a liberal organization?
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  Richard Sirotaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There are attacks being perpetrated on both sides of the aisle. Though I take it from the way you set up ypur position you stand with the right. I stand with the left. Yes there are attacks being fomented against conservatives but let us not forget the murder of abortion doctors engaged in the practice of their legal occupations, Sarah Palin's call to put targets on the backs of liberals, and those who have taken that as more than an idea and actually acted out on it like skinheads following the call of their gurus. Violence is never the answer, rational and open debate IS. If the left is increasingly attacking the right consider the notion that any group marginalized and ignored long enough will find a way to be heard. Rebember the Students For A Democratic Society, [ SDS, the bomb throwers of the anti-war movement in the seventies?] We want peace so let's blow something up!!!
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psycheskinnerposted 14 years ago
Yeah and then we could talk about extreme doomsday conservative militias and people who promote the murder of doctors performing abortion.

Some people are violent asshats. Each side has their share.
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  AnnCeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are talking about a small minority of conservative people. Go read the comments of liberals all over the internet. Read what they say about the harassment of the Glenn Beck family for example. Read how Tom Petty has ordered Michelle Bachmann to stop using his song. Read about union protesters destroying property. Read the rhetoric on this forum coming from the left. There's a hell of a lot of hate going on.
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  Doug Hughesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What's violent about Tom Petty telling that wingnut she can't use his propery for her campaign?
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  lovemychrisposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He must be forced to against his will---it's the righty way.
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  Doug Hughesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The notable thing about the pro-union protests in WI is the lack of citations issued or arrests made.
  
  Those statistics are a matter of public record.
  
  The Wingnuts have tried to portray schoolteachers and janitors as violent thugs and its not in the facts.
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  Doug Hughesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There's a lot of overt religious bigotry from the right in a litany of posts, some homophobia also from the right...
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  Pamela N Redposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Tom Petty has every right to tell her not to use his music. She isn't qualified to run for office and needs to go back to school.
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  AnnCeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Absolutely he does. His name ironically suits him to a tee though.
  
  Oops!
  
  We'll see if she's suited or not.
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yup he does.
  
  Morning Anncee. How r u 2day? I hope well.
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  AnnCeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Morning Tom, yep good, pretty morning. A mama quail and seven babies lined up on the fence. Hope you're well as well.
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  KK Trainorposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Pamela, who says she's not qualified? You? Why is a former tax attorney and member of Congress less qualified than a community organizer who got elected to the Senate and immediately begain running for President? What made Obama qualified?
  And why do liberal women, who one would assume were feminists, always hate conservative women so much? I thought women in power was the whole point of feminism. I have always wondered about that and have never gotten an answer.
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Look at Thatcher and understand.
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psycheskinnerposted 14 years ago
Online comments tend to be by a small minority of people made brace by indirect and anonymous discourse. It is easy to think something you hate typifies a group you disagree with, but that is basically stereotyping or even prejudice.
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AnnCeeposted 14 years ago
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-a … z1QfueK5Zy
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hm, I did read more and saw that the opening that you posted was a piss take and the whole article was a lot more balanced than would appear in the opening.
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psycheskinnerposted 14 years ago
Yes, weirdos said crazy stuff on the internet. Conservative weirdos do this too, but that doesn't make me assume all right wingers think gays are pedophiles and should be castrated or that cattle RFID tags are proof the USDA is run by the anti-christ and should be assassinated.
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  AnnCeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Violent rhetoric is being institutionalized by this administration.
  
  Boot on the neck. . .
  
  Know whose ass to kick . . .
  
  Get in their faces . . .
  
  Palin hate:
  
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  lovemychrisposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry--still doesn't match up to what's going on in Gaza...
  Nice dodge/deflect.
  
  Fail.
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You mean the Islamic Hate and American Leftist anti-Semitism against Israel. I agree nothing can compare to the American Leftists Anti-semitism and the Islamic hatred over there against ISRAEL.
  
  LONG LIVE ISRAEL AND AMERICA!!!!!!
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  lovemychrisposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  America is NOT Israel.
  We have people from all over the world here...of all persuasions and beliefs.
  
  We were not set up to favor one over all else and to the detriment of ourselves.
  
  Long live Independent USA.
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  KK Trainorposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, you're right. We aren't Israel, we're just anti-terrorist.
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  lovemychrisposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Support of Israel IS supporting terrorists.
  No ifs ands or buts about it. Faite de accompli.
  
  And speaking of conditioning....I heard this guy on the radio yesterday; He said that for every 3 hours of conservative talk on the airwaves, there is less than 15 minutes of liberal talk.
  
  It's conditioning all right, but it's right-wing overload.
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  Doug Hughesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "Boots on the neck"
  
  I am not sure what liberal you think said it, but I know someone who did it.
  
  The victim was a liberal and the perp standing on her neck was a republican and a member of Rand Paul's campaign staff.
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  AnnCeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Glad to.
  
  http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/677-e2 … l-response
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dutchman1951posted 14 years ago
if you can overpower, intimadate, make a person fear, than you can defeat them. If you have no real basis to support your ideals, and proven history shows the ideas as false doctrine, then attack and beat down the oposition. Socialists and Communists have done this for years.Kill (mentaly or physicaly) those people who do not think like you,get them out of your way.

we have a mentaly sick world and Human condition re-manafestering itself now. because verbal attacks are safe on the net. you can bully anyone from behind a key board! That way you never have to face them. A Cowards way I believe.
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hey! Why pick on socialists and communists?
  Most of the most hate filled people have been right wing.
  You have to look no further than these forums to see the hate filled right beating down the opposition who are usually liberal (with a small l).
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  lovemychrisposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But John....when they do it, it's not hate!
  It's "passion". And after all, they're only trying to "fix" us....with "Love".
  
  Friends like that, who needs enemies?
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nice to see you all recognize you beeen schooled!...
  
  And yes we know you all think the opposing oipinion is hate... that has been the running BS forever. Get over it. Just cause we will not allow you all to gang up on a lone Conservative anymore and beat 'em down... doesn't mean hate. It is called, turn-about... and it is fair-play
  
  What's the matter?... You do not like your own tactics used against you... what a joke!
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  lovemychrisposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Emmm--I was banned for saying excactly what you did 2 posts before....tactics?
  
  No--I'm starting NOW.
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Somehow I doubt you were banned for saying anything Chris.
  
  And what is wrong with the word TACTICS?
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  lovemychrisposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You:"This is why you have no credibility."---ok-that's your opinion.
  Me: "Your credibilty is far gone for me too."---Banned for 7 days.
  You still here.
  
  I did not report you.
  Someone did me.
  Who is using tactics?
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Post a load of semi-incomprehensible garbage and then claim to have "schooled" your opponent! Most of us have put our school days long behind us and got away from the playground bullies.
  
  And who is this lone conservative that we are ganging up on?
  It wouldn't be the one who changes direction at the drop of a hat would it?
  
  And if you claim that our tactics are "hate" and we don't like our own tactics used against us, you surely aren't admitting to using hate as your tactic are you?
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  dutchman1951posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  John as to why? Because History shows they did these things.
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Only the sort of history that has Hitler as a socialist.
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TMMasonposted 14 years ago
The Left is priming the pump for the coming collapse and re-structuring of this nation. So everyone will run to the Govt to solve the issues without question... and then we are all in trouble. Simple as that.
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  See what I mean?
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  lovemychrisposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
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Cagsilposted 14 years ago
Psychologically conditioned to perpetrate violence? Only in the minds of others.
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  dutchman1951posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  disagree, to much news viedo to prove otherwise I think.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You can disagree all you want. Anyone can put together a news video for the purpose of almost anything, so as to display fear or intolerance, for any other specific type of thinking.
  
  Watching the news will rot the brain and if anyone hasn't figured this out yet, should have their head examined.
  
  The left continues it's onslaught, the right continues it's distortion tactics, the conservatives continue to push their beliefs as laws, the progressives continue to spread misinformation. Even the independents are getting into the massive fear generation.
  
  So, that begs to ask- Who is actually looking out for the citizens? No one!
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  dutchman1951posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  point understood, but there is evience to consider, maybe not the best of sources, but is all of it rot..? The violence is happening. Not as a doctrine of conditioning, but it sure seems a result of the passion.
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  lovemychrisposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  BINGO!
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psycheskinnerposted 14 years ago
IMHO violent people use philosophies (any of them) as a justification and to deflect attention from the real cause of their abuse behavior--the fact that they are a nasty thug. Nasty thugs come in all varieties.
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lovemychrisposted 14 years ago
We have history going on RIGHT NOW, and nobody is caring!

God almighty....justify brutality and inhumanity!
Why??

Cause it's been brainwashed into us.

HIS-story is crap.
Right now is what matters....and we are complicit in murder.

Speaking OF history: WikiPedia is going into the pages and ALTERING it to fit Bachmann's ideas! That is your flipping "history".

Texas changing the school books--Jefferson: Yer Outta here! That is history.

Look around you. This is reality.
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psycheskinnerposted 14 years ago
At basic level violence tends to come from dehumanizing the "enemy" and seeing them as inferior in a morally relevant way. Oh, look, a lesser spotted irony warbler!
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Evan G Rogersposted 14 years ago
The question:
Are Liberals Being Psychologically Conditioned to Perpetrate Violence?

The Answer:
No more than everyone else.
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  AnnCeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Welcome back.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ... i never left?
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  AnnCeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I thought I read a farewell frustrated post? Must be seeing things. Morning.
  
  Shall we ?
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  Evan G Rogersposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, I didn't give up arguing with you, I gave up arguing on that one post.
  
  If you want to discuss if "liberals are being programmed to violence", then I'll simply have to point out all the hate that spews from conservatives, and then we'll both end up agreeing that people are people, and people get angry from time to time.
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TMMasonposted 14 years ago
And there is alot of Leftists who post BS videos and try to pass them off as something to attack the Right with... guess who that would be.
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Like that video that you posted as evidence of Muslim violence in the UK that turned out to be no more than a fairly noisy pro-Palestine demonstration with no violence at all?
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Do you go to the others on the site?
  
  I didn't think so. That one may not have been all that bad, but they have them burning cars and chasing police off also. Just like in Paris. And we know vigilantism is on the rise because of crime over there also... but I bet that is just hype also.
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AnnCeeposted 14 years ago
Wow personal attacks. Must have hit a chord.

Reading this article advocating the tatooing of global warming deniers I am struck by the level of anger. I'm afraid I see that from the left in so many places and so many contexts. I think it's a question that bears examination.

Remember the Canadian psychological experiment where two volunteers were seated in separate rooms, one was to ask questions, the other to answer. The questioner sat in front of a panel with a dial and a button on it. The button delivered a shock to the answerer if his response was not fast enough. The dial controlled the strength of the shock.

Every single questioner, when reassured by the person conducting the study, ended up delivering lethal dosages of electricity to the answerer even though they could hear the screams.

Fortunately the person answering the questions wasn't actually being shocked. He was acting.

Every person. Shocking, eh.

It only takes the reassurance of a person in authority to tip that balance. And so if hatred for a group or an idea is stoked enough, really anything could happen. It has occurred over and over again in history.

What I am seeing from the left in this country, the intimidation, and yes the violence sincerely does concern me.
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ann, go back and read the full article.
  Nobody was advocating tattooing anybody, it was a piss take, a bit of satire, a wind up.
  
  That's the trouble with the right, no sense of fun.
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  AnnCeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  John, do you think it is funny to even tease about forcibly tatooing people you disagree with on their arms? That's funny?
  
  I have a feeling you wouldn't be so amused if Sarah Palin or Glenn Beck said it.
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But it was said by an obscure (to me) Australian writer in a very light hearted manner. It was done to draw attention to the stupidity of climate change deniers.
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prettydarkhorseposted 14 years ago
To AnnCee, Can you raise a violent person? Can you condition a person to become violent? AnnCee, human behavior is complex and social scientists can't ascertain why people behave the way they do. It could be due to social environment, cultural, physical or genetics. In our present time, there is an interdisciplinary approach to understand it. Maybe one day there is an explanation to why people behave the way they do.

It is wrong or an idiocy to say categorically that a group of people are conditioned to perpetrate violence.
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AnnCeeposted 14 years ago
By the way, I reported Uninvited for calling me an idiot. I haven't reported anyone else yet as I suppose the moderator will look at the thread.

I'm not interested in conversing with people who engage in personal attack for lack of anything cogent to add to a conversation.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "Not yet", "Else yet", you can still report it AnnCee. I don't think they will ban UW and me bec. we are just telling the truth, besides Jason Menayan is also liberal, I think. If we are going to be banned it doesn't change that you are still an idiot because of your posts.
  
  It doesn't help that I have my period today,,,,TMI, ban me ... ban me. You will miss me.
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Hubs is out of Berkeley, Anncee, and run by Liberals... if not straight Leant leftist of the most fanatical kind. Reporting one of their ilk will only get them focused on you. They suspended Danny last night for something... but no one else who was just as viscious.
  
  So take it for what it is worth, hun.
  
  Do not trust the Mods on here... I cannot name one of them that is Conservative, or even Independent. Sad... you think they would at least have one Conservative Mod... for the appearance of fair play.
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  AnnCeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh I know, Tom. I actually expected to be banned by now for reporting a direct insult against myself. The left is becoming more fascistic by the day.
  
  One forum I'm familiar with has made it a bannable offense to insult any left wing (and presumably Muslin) group because doing so insults each individual member of that group who happens to also be a member of the forum. They won't put the rule in the COC's because it's common sense and everyone should know it.
  
  This new un-rule presumably doesn't apply to Christians or conservatives since there is a Christian bashing thread going full bore right now. Complete with name calling.
  
  I think the logic goes something like: they and their ilk deserve everything they get.
  
  Reminds me of the thread here about liberals being conditioned toward violence.
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But Ann, Muslims aren't left wing, they're conservative!
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  AnnCeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, well, in case you haven't noticed a worldwide socialist agenda makes strange bedfellows. They can sort out their differences later after they've destroyed evil capitalism don't you know?
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  All the Leftists should figure that out, John. You are all in trouble if they, Islam, do gain control. They are not as accepting and tolerant of your beliefs as we Conservative Christians, you know.
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If,big if.It isn't going to happen because the will isn't there.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  you are like a blind demographer - profiling and categorizing people just like that
  
  FYI UW is banned.
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  lovemychrisposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  UW is banned, but rrright-winger saying "vicious little pretty" is not?
  Me banned for saying rrright-winger's credibility is gone, but rrrright-winger saying I have no credibility is not?
  
  Obama called all kinds of evil--no problemo.
  Make fun of tea-baggers on Japan's catastrophe day and thread closed.
  
  Why, those darn Liberal mods!!!
  
  I have one solution to the problem; Baggers want a Binky?
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, she is, though I'm not sure for what.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think the mods don't waste their time monitoring all the forums as they are too busy. They only review your post if somebody will flag it. Some Repubs are just cry babies, they flag everything.
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  lovemychrisposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  They must be flagging my hubs too, cause my score keeps going up/down/up/down/up/down!!!
  
  Petty Tyrants and Thieves...that's a book, right?
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  prettydarkhorseposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry Doug, I must have deleted that in my reply...
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Pretty, this is one of the most liberal sites on the web for writers and forums, especially the forums. And the Mods are all Liberals that I have run afoul of and across, so point out the Conservative Mod in here.
  
  Where?
  
  Show me?
  
  And you think Berkely California is a Conservative bastion?
  
  And all humans catagorize and compartmentalize. It is how we as humans operate.
  
  You are right in that I am like a blind demographer though. I do not catagorize and compartmentalize by race, dress, sex, sexual preference, habits, or any other visible factor, but by words and actions.
  
  It is cleaner in its results that way.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think that they don't monitor the forums as they are too busy fixing the site.
  
  I really don't know whether they are liberal or not, you just put them again in a certain box because they ban you b4.
  
  But if it is true that they are all liberal, I am so glad about that..
  
  SECRET..
  
  I really don't know.
  
  No, they are individuals, you can only say most not all.
  It is better to compartmentalize by demographic characteristics, the Census data is like that, but categorizing by certain perceived behavior, NAH, not good. You can have prejudice and bias.
  
  And I don't hate you or anything like that although I don't want your avatar, too bland. Can you change it???
  
  Happy fourth TM..
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Happy Fourth Of July, Pretty!
  
  I hope you have a wonderful weekend this holiday.
  
  Unfortunately, Pretty, Psychiatrists, Sociologists and Psychologists, along with Detetives, the FBI, CIA and many other analytics professionals and those who profile, would dis-agree, and say that most all humans can indeed be clasified and catagorized, hun.
  
  Sorry...
  
  I know it sucks...... but we are a very predictable creature in the end. Yes... there is the extreme exception to the rule, and a few in between the rule and the norm in all directions, but they are relatively few compared to the whole of the Human Population.
  
  I will agree America has quite an eclectic mix, very colorful in some parts. But in the end you strip off the outer shell and get to the Psychoilogical and behaviour aspects of the core of a person, or people, and you would be amazed to see the collections of groups which can be profiled very easily.
  
  I have supplied many links to Behaviour sites, you will find the same in Pschology, or Sociology on a greater scale, it meshes well with fractals in nature, repeated patterns on all scales, which seem to self-replicate.
  
  Have a great Fourth pretty.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  but they do change in time, I mean behavior in society adapts to the changing times, it is not static. We should be more tolerant and understand people more..
  
  TM, Thanks for your greetings! Are you going to change your avatar soon??
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  O I am tolerant, Pretty. I just will not accept lies as truth and choice as anything but. If one is gay be proud of it. Simple. And if the science ever shows anything different, which I doubt, then they can use those arguments.
  
  And we have not changed all the much in our short time on this dirt-ball of a rock. Have a great day.
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  AnnCeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Wow, so vicious little pretty. Conditioned toward viciousness toward conservatives?
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  prettydarkhorseposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  First, your long tail keyword "vicious little pretty" description of me is not right. The last word perhaps, but my mother is the only one who called me that word, pretty. Little - short depending on whom are you comparing me with, with most women here, yes I am that short. Vicious, nah.
  
  They are not one and the same. NAH.
  
  The truth is that I found your ops weird, highly debatable plus you copy and paste those long posts from other online sources, and you don't reveal the sources. Am glad they don't index forum posts anymore.
  
  And looking at your username Anncee I am wondering whether you are
  
  (a) Ann Coulter
  (b) Ann Coulter wannabe
  (c) conditioned to become Anne Coulter
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RachaelLeflerposted 14 years ago
Oh, I think you're getting upset about the opinion of one person. I read the article and that man was simply venting frustration, probably not in the smartest or most sensitive way. Are you going to say conservative pundits haven't said similarly harsh, unreasonable, or exaggerated things when venting their frustration at liberals? It's quite normal in political debate for both sides to claim they wish to deny the extension of certain basic human rights to their opponents, but both sides do it frequently and it's commonly meant to be taken humorously as a joke to other people who agree with that person. What I'm saying is, people on either side are making statements like this. It's unfortunate, but this is politics. Not everyone is always nice and sympathetic (especially not men, lol). Deal with it. Liberals have to hear a lot worse talk from people like Ann Coulter and Glenn Beck about what certain neo-cons would do to us if they had absolute control. And if WE complain about THEIR harsh rhetoric and joking hyperbole, we are told something like "stiff upper lip, just deal with it, they have a right to free speech, etc." So I guess that's what I feel I should tell you now.
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  AnnCeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Show me.
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well, Sarah Palin and her gun sights for one.
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  AnnCeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ooooooh scarey. She's always pointing her gun at people and threatening to kill them.... mommy mommy save me from scarey woman
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  mommy mommy, save me from scary lefties.
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There are, relatively speaking, no Conservative pundits who campare to the Leant Leftists in their preaching hatred of their opposition. From the Universities and Colleges, to the Union halls, to NPR, Media Matters and the huff post, and Leant Left News orgs,... no comparison.
  
  I have seen more BS tricks played by the Leant Leftists, to take things said by Rush, Beck, and the others, out of context, in the attempt to scream about hatred from the Right. When they spew it daily, and it is a main staple in their diets and rhetoric. And of which no one has to play editing tricks to fool you into thinking they are hate-filled, Anti-American, Anti-Constitution, Propaganda spouting retards.
  
  No comparison.
  
  They are lucky I don't have a radio or TV show. I would meet them on their own terms.
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  Richard Sirotaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Again, this has been done by the right too, guys like Rush and Beck and the like. I have seen them take a snippet and attribute the most bizarre meanings to it. You must remember that both sides are guilty. What has actually happened is that our collective political thinking has been usurped by the heads of both camps in [I suspect] an effort to keep the debate roiling ensuring that NOTHING gets accomplished. Abraham Lincoln tried to remind the country that "we the people" own the government. A little polite and reasoned conversation and a willingness to compromise just might accomplish miracles though no one believes their voice means anything anyway.
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Show me the hate from Beck? I have heard him go too far one time and he apologized, unlike the Leftists. So the equating doesn't cut it. And I have not really heard Rush spout hate either... produce the clip in full context of either of them hating.
  
  I agree with you as far as both sides being in it... but I don't see Beck as on either side. So... rush is on the Conservative side to the point that he can be, then his progressive instincts kick in.
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you going to recognise something that you agree with as hate though?
  
  We've had to put up with several days of your hatred of Islam after all.
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Show me the hate.
  
  And I do not hate Islam, I simpy refuse to lie about the truth of it. I will not bow to PC or the Islamic Apologist's BS.
  
  Big difference.
  
  And your hatred of the Right-wing is palpable.
  
  So... stop deflecting.
  
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There you go! Your hatred of Islam is transparent, but you don't see it as hate, you rationalise it and call it reality.
  
  My hatred of the right wing is selective, I don't hate just because somebody is right wing, I save my hatred for the evil ones, the good ones I don't hate in fact some are good friends.
  I recognise that there are right wing war mongers and I recognise that there are right wing peace mongers.
  
  You just write off the whole of the second largest religion in the world as war mongers, and hate them.
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  refusing to submit is not hatred john. Please.
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Submit to what, to who? How often have you been challenged?
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  More times then you would have refused.
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Things must be pretty rough in the US then, I wonder why?
  
  You know I was walking home from the shops a year or so ago. I passed a group of Asians, young men and probably Muslim, they were outside a Muslim shop, they were horsing around and as I passed one barged into me knocking me into the road. Several grabbed me and pulled me out of the traffic,they apologised and offered to carry my bags home for me.
  Now if they hate us so much, why didn't they just laugh as they watched me being run down?
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It wasn't in America John.
  
  And I have never said all Muslims prescribe to true Islam, that is your extremist twists of what I say. Yes you could pull some generalizations out of my comments, but we all generalize when writing answers. I have Stated over and I know peaceful Muslims, and there is always a certain percentage within any population who are totally adverse to violence, regardless.
  
  So keep up the twisting of my views and comments. The extremism of your views and the application of the, "oh your an extremist" philosophy, is an old and pretty pathetic tactic of the Leant Left. Anyone that doesn't agree with you all are extremist, racist, bigoted, haters. I have heard it all before. It is one of the predictable tactics you all use.
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ah bless!
  The tactics of the right, be the voice of reason whilst all around you are ranting liars.
  When challenged, always accuse the challenger of twisting your words.
  Cover up your extremism by accusing the others of extremism.
  Since when has live and let live been an extremist view, or bigoted?
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It was extremist in NAZI Germany when a lot of Jews thought the same thing all the way up to them being led to the chambers.
  
  And as we all know by the time they came to the realization that some people are serious as to harming or killing you and yours, it was too late.
  
  See how that works? Probrably not.
  
  All things can be taken to extremes.
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Germans persecuted German Jews, they didn't persecute Jews in the US or the UK.
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Germans persecuted all European and Middle-Eastern Jewry, yes they started with the German Jews, but quickly moved on, and would have slaughtered them world-wide if allowed. And they would have slaghtered the ones in Engalnd and America could they have.
  
  So what's your point?
  
  We should have waited longer, until they were a threat to all Jewry and Peoples of the entire world? Then it would have been okay by your standards to stand up to them, or to call them out for what their philosophies and actions were? Didn't you guys in England learn anything from the complete and utter failures of Neville Chamberlain?
  
  Okay Neville, you sit back and wait... lemme know how that goes for ya.
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  My point is, what the flip has this to do with lberals?
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It is response to your, "Since when when is it extreme to live and let live".... remark... if you canot keep up I will slow down for you. You made a remark as if pacifism could never be taken to an extreme. It can and has been many times in history, and was purchased with a lot of innocent blood. And I pointed to two examples I assumed you would be well aware of.
  
  And anyone who thinks one cannot be an extremist in thier pacifism is living in what I call, la la liberal land. There comes a time when denial in defense of your beliefs of pacifism is just dullusional and dangerous.
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I suppose you have to justify bombing foreign countries somehow.
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Man you just jump everywhere, eh.
  
  I condone some of the wars and actions we have fought in, and some I am not happy with, nor do I justify them. But I do not betray my country by siding with the enemy and preahing anti-American rubbish, and spitting on sopldiers as they come home, screaming hate at their funerals, nor any other BS. If you have a problem with your Govt., vote and change the people and the way they do things. Which is what America is about to do in a big way.
  
  As far as independent actions and missions in a war time theater, will not second-guess the commanding officers. They know a whole lot more than any of us as regards what is going on, and what the proper action is to take. That is why we spend a ton of money educating and training the Military.
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Er, what are you on?
  
  I think I made it pretty clear that I have no time for those who abuse home coming soldiers and I find your suggestion that I support them totally offensive.
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Didn't suggest that in the least, John.
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "But I do not betray my country by siding with the enemy and preahing anti-American rubbish, and spitting on sopldiers as they come home, screaming hate at their funerals, nor any other BS. If you have a problem with your Govt., vote and change the people and the way they do things. Which is what America is about to do in a big way"
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ---I condone some of the wars and actions we have fought in, and some I am not happy with, nor do I justify them. But I do not betray my country by siding with the enemy and preahing anti-American rubbish, and spitting on sopldiers as they come home, screaming hate at their funerals, nor any other BS. If you have a problem with your Govt., vote and change the people and the way they do things. Which is what America is about to do in a big way.---
  
  Read the whole thing in context, John. No where is that directed at you. It is a general statement about the actions of some American Leftists, so don't start personlizing.
  
  You ask about America bombing people, not England. So don't try twisting it.
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Come on, you know perfectly well how to use paragraphs and you didn't use one there did you? It was quite obvious that your comments were directed at me, you know, one subject, one paragraph.
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is one subject john, read it again. It is as regards me and what I think about, AMERICA BOMBING PLACES, and incorporated within it is my deelings of some of the Asmerican Left and thieir behaviour as regards it. Which strikes me as properly placed. It is very simple to understand.
  
  People are not always talking about you. You know?
  
  If I wanted to say something about you John, I would. Straight to you. I am more blunt and direct then that.
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  lovemychrisposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Told ya John......they give themselves the luxury of being angry without the hate label thrown on there.
  The "hate" label is reserved for those who oppose them.
  
  Never fails.
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RachaelLeflerposted 14 years ago
All he was doing was saying it would be funny if people who don't believe in climate change were forced to live on low elevation coastline and deal with the rising sea levels due to melting polar ice caps. And that's it. Why shouldn't you agree to something like that if you really think climate change is a scam or trick or whatever? It's sort of a challenge, I think. He's challenging you to do something that would prove how well you believe in what you claim to, put your money where your mouth is. Also I think people have mentioned this but it bears repeating, this is just one person on the internet. If you search the internet long and hard, you'll find things that are 1000 x more shocking and offensive to your beliefs, whatever they are, than this. The internet is a big, diverse, and not necessarily fair or nice place.
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secularist10posted 14 years ago
Good old confirmation bias. If you go sniffing around for liberal hate, you will surely find it. If you go sniffing around for conservative hate, you will find that too. It all depends on what your bias is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

"Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias or myside bias) is a tendency for people to favor information that confirms their preconceptions or hypotheses regardless of whether the information is true. As a result, people gather evidence and recall information from memory selectively, and interpret it in a biased way. The biases appear in particular for emotionally significant issues and for established beliefs."

Moreover, conservatives are so sensitive these days that any harsh criticism from a liberal will often be construed as hate speech. Whether or not it actually qualifies as "hate."
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AnnCeeposted 14 years ago
Conservative speakers often require security when they speak on the nation's university campuses. It isn't young Republicans that are feared. Ann, as you may know, has been attacked. She was banned from speaking at a Canadian university because speaking frankly about terrorism is illegal in Canada. One wonders how far behind we are in that regard.
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psycheskinnerposted 14 years ago
You only trust fellow conservatives? That's a bit sad.
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is not what that says, and your smarter alot than that, Psyche.
  
  I do not trust the Mods... no. Not in the least.
  
  I trust plenty of friends I have who are not Conservatives in the least.
  
  But as for the Mods on here, I know where they stand, and I know where I stand. I know if I screw up I am out for months again, even for something not so bad. I also know that there are libs on here that have shit all over Conservatives with personal attacks and insults of a severe nature... and they have not been banned at all. Nor will they be.
  
  That is the truth of it.
  
  Are you a moderator, Psyche? I sort of trust you... but I am not so sure if your going to twist what I say like that. but I think I would trust you.... I think?
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qwarkposted 14 years ago
Offer me a time in the evolution of man that he hasn't been in trouble.

For a miniscule "twerp" to have suvived this long is amazing!

He was doing better adapting when he was an instinctive creature.

The anomaly "consciousness" when combined with a few million yrs of genetic programming as a predator, has perpetuated a little monster that now has the ability to influence all extant life! Either to its destruction or to its benefit!

Man is a "2 legged imp" which seems to be dedicated to its own demise.

Liberals? Conservatives? All are combative little creatures who haven't yet gained the sense to react to life as Mother Nature requires: Live! Maintain balance! Function in ways that will guarantee the survival of the species!

Until we can learn to do that...or...create a new environment within which to evolve as an improved species, we are headed, rapidly, and necessarily, down the road to "A Brave New World."

Qwark
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  AnnCeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you calling me an ugly bag of mostly water by any chance??
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  qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Ann...uh..uh...uh...gulp! :
  
  Careful Qwark! :
  
  ....ok...ok! mostly water I'll go along with!
  
  (I'll save face and say) Beauty is in the eye of the beholder..gulp...:
  
  Qwark
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psycheskinnerposted 14 years ago
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knolyourselfposted 14 years ago
However I believe no deaths or injuries except one of the bombers, who blew him self up. Meanwhile 5 million dead in Vietnam and Cambodia.
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knolyourselfposted 14 years ago
Hope so.
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FREEnAZposted 14 years ago
And so it goes.. from one message board, to the next, to the next.. The attack on conservatism is alive and well. Anyone notice that conservatives like to expose things they believe to be true, while liberals prefer silencing the opposition.
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, I can't say that I have noticed that.On this forum at least the left are much more likely to try and debate whereas the conservatives shout us down and misrepresent us all the time.
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  yeah right.
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Wrong response from your point of view.
  Really, saying that you don't give a fig about what we say tends to back me up rather than you.
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  AnnCeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well, John, how do you like pretty's vicious taunting? Pretty, eh?
  
  May I add, pretty is as pretty does.
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think that was political, more menstrual I'd say.
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  AnnCeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Woman president?
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  p'rhaps not, well, not for a bit anyway
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  AnnCeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  When we've evolved to the point where babies are made in test tubes?
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, just to the point where she is not premenstrual.
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  AnnCeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Only old bats, eh? You know they get a little nuts then too?
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I was going to say something in defence of woman premiers but then I remembered Margaret Thatcher.
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knolyourselfposted 14 years ago
I am a conservative and and lefty socialist. Figure that one out.
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knolyourselfposted 14 years ago
Acid tongue
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knolyourselfposted 14 years ago
"we're just anti-terrorist" - Where terrorist means anybody opposed to the oligarchy.
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "we" are freedom fighters, "they" are terrorists.
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am an "Independent Conservative"... you are a "Socialist".
  
  Stop obfuscating.
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AnnCeeposted 14 years ago
I hope Pamela will come back and answer, KK.

There are some Democrats who objected to Hillary Clinton's treatment by the press. They have spoken out objecting to the treatment Palin and Bachmann have received. But it's a pretty rare thing. http://hillbuzz.org/
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lovemychrisposted 14 years ago
Let's see....if say- Keith Olbermann- had simulated pouring gasoline down Sarah Palin's throat....what do you think the righty's would have said??

Coulter: Muslims should be made to convert or be shot.
Liberals are Godless
Liberals Hate America
Obama hates America
Obam is Anti-American
Obama has a deep-seated hatred of white people
Obama pals around with terrorists
Obama is not an American
Take the bone out of your nose and call me later
Obama is a Jack-Ass
The only way to stop people like Obama and Pelosi is to shoot them, before they shoot you.
We now have trash in the White House
Obongo
Obummer
The Obama's- just another black family on public housing
Keep your gvt hands off MY social security
If you don't support the troops, feel free to stand in front of them
Re-Load
Guns to Obama speech
You Lie!
Hey Obama--suck on this! (gun)

Don't EVEN let me google.....we would be here ALL nite.
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lovemychrisposted 14 years ago
Well here's one:

Suppose I said, "Sarah Palin is a racist pig who hates America."

Would I be called a hater?
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psycheskinnerposted 14 years ago
So what if hubpages is liberal (not that I am sure this is true)? Don't conservatives support the right to run one's privately owned company however one wishes within the law? That's free market/free choice.
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Only if run in a manner the conservatives agree with.
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Never said it wasn't. I did say that as a Conservative one should watch out when trying to get assistance against Leant Leftists when complaining about personal attacks.
  
  Hubs has the right to be as biased as they want, it is their right as a private Co. to be. As long as it isn't to the point of being discriminatory, or openly hostile to those with a Conservative opinion. Just like any Co. in this country.
  
  But that doesn't mean I cannot point it out to another Conservative, and advise that Conservative to be calm and watch out if they choose that route.
  
  I will say that if UW is banned it is for something valid most likely and they will show her the post if asked. they have always shown me mine, and even if I didn't agree with them and thought they were nit picking, in the end they had their reasons.
  
  But I as a Conservatiove have to step a lot lighter than a leftist. Thats a fact. I hope they are finally becoiming more aware that not all the BS is by Conservatives, I would be very proud of hubs for that.
  
  Also I am available for Moderator duty... and I am very fair about banning anyone for anything other than a direct personal attack. You just let me know hubbis...
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  psycheskinnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes but if their right to be biased is as absolute and obvious as most conservatives would agree it is, you are essentially complaining many times a day about the sky being blue. The motivation escapes me.
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am simply replying to a post that was directed at my post and me... that is not complaining Psyche.
  
  If no one wants to hear about it, then they do not have to ask about it. But if someone replies to a post I make, I reply to it.
  
  No complaining there... just answering replies.
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  Reality Bytesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I fully support the business owner's rights to run their business however they wish as long as it is legal.
  
  I do not even care if they run it like the U.S. government, they will not be in business for long but that is completely their choice.
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lovemychrisposted 14 years ago
"But I do not betray my country by siding with the enemy and preahing anti-American rubbish, and spitting on sopldiers as they come home, screaming hate at their funerals, nor any other BS."

You called the president a racist pig who hates America.
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, he is. President Obama is not my country, he is the titular head of my country. I can dis-like him all I want. My country on the other hand, I love and would die to defend.
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  lovemychrisposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yet, when I dislike Bibiguns, I'm an anti-Semite.....
  
  So, my country's prez is fair game for criticism, and you can't be called a racist. But talk down Bibiguns and you're automatically an anti-Semite?
  
  Helen Thomas was right. And I think your loyalties are skewed.
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why? It is not racism to point out someone is a racist, Chris.
  
  You do not like Netanyahu because he is a Jew and is in Israel, if that is correct then that is Anti-Semetic.
  
  I do not like Obama cause he is a racist and hates this nation, that is a good thing in the lefts book.
  
  What? Should I emrace the racists? I don't think so, Chris, your side might embrace racists and Anti-Semites, but I do not.
  
  I do not like any racists regardless of their skin tone or ideology. I thought you were a better person than to infer I should condone racism by embracing racists and their ideologies. I hope you would not embrace racists at all, Chris, nor anti-Semitism, anymore.
  
  And Helen thomas was right as in correct... or right as in ideology... a lil clearity please.
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lovemychrisposted 14 years ago
"You do not like Netanyahu because he is a Jew and is in Israel, that is Anti-Semetic."

This is an outright LIE.
I do not like Bibiguns because he is a Zionist thug.
And I have proof!

What proof have you that Obama is a racist who hates America?

"Helen Thomas: You cannot criticize Israel in the U.S. and survive"

just google it...my computer is hacked right now. frozen like an ice pop.
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have read his books Chris, I understand quite well that he doesn't like them from his own mouth.
  
  And Zionist eh?... thank you for proving my point.
  
  Zionism, the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel, advocated, from its inception, tangible as well as spiritual aims. Jews of all persuasions, left and right, religious and secular, joined to form the Zionist movement and worked together toward these goals. Disagreements led to rifts, but ultimately, the common goal of a Jewish state in its ancient homeland was attained. The term “Zionism” was coined in 1890 by Nathan Birnbaum.
  
  As I said, because he is a Jew in Israel.
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  lovemychrisposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Plenty of Jews disregard Zionism...what does that make them?
  
  Jews against Zionism:
  
  "About 3,980,000 results (0.08 seconds)"
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lovemychrisposted 14 years ago
And you forgot the thug part.
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lovemychrisposted 14 years ago
This is interesting:

"Talk show host Glenn Beck will address a Knesset committee during his visit to Israel.

Beck will discuss how to fight the delegitimization of Israel around the world at a July 11 meeting of the Knesset Immigration, Absorption and Diaspora Affairs Committee at the invitation of the committee chairman, Danny Danon of the Likud Party, The Jerusalem Post reported Tuesday.

The meeting reportedly will focus on the September meeting of the United Nations General Assembly, when the Palestinians say they will ask for recognition of a Palestinian state.

Beck’s July visit, including his address to the Knesset committee, will be filmed for his online show, which will be used to promote his announced “Restoring Courage” rally to be held in Jerusalem in late August."

*****

Here's a guy who simulated pouring gasoline down the throat of either Pelosi or Obama, and he's invited to speak to a gvt which is supposed to be our ally?

Eric Cantor telling Netanyahu he'll "keep an eye on Obama" for him?

There is a word for this.
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Show me wher he simulated that? Produce the clip... I will be waiting. And I want a serious piece of evidence, not some twisting of an edit... like Ralphy likes to throw around. I will be right here waitng.
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  lovemychrisposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert … uses-actor
  
  Here's your clip. But it was Beck pretending to be Obama and pouring gasoline down a throat....I couldn't watch it all. 57 seconds was enough. Beck has TOTAL disrespect for the POTUS, and said "Obama may as well shoot me in the head."
  
  Derison of the president, no respect, total denigration....and he is invited to speak to a so-called "ally"???
  
  I was born at night, but not last night...anyone who would invite that RAT is no ally. IMO
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  Paul Wingertposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What I can't believe is that anyone with any sense would invite Beck anywhere. He's like Limbaugh, tells his base (people who can't think for themselves) that BS that they want to hear by only telling part of a newspapers headline (not following through the whole story) along with their own crap, not a journalist, and no experience in politics.
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Wesman Todd Shawposted 14 years ago
One must first be a Semitic person for another to hate that persons race and be an "anti Semite."

Repeating the LIE that Ashkenazi European persons are both Jewish and Semitic. . . .doesn't magically turn it into a fact.

Judaism is an ancient RELIGION. It was not, and never will be related to a race of persons.
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And Semitism cennotes a language, not a race or religion Chris. buy a dictionary and stop talking like a confused child.
  And where is Eric Cantor, the Progressive, doing that.
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  Richard Sirotaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am pretty sure you are wrong this time. Being semitic Is being Jewish. The anti-semitism that has gone down throughout history and all over the world has been aimed at Jews whether Poles, Sefardic, Eastern European or where ever. If it were just a language Hitler and the others would not have had the need to erradicate the entire race, just outlaw the language. You are not a foolish man and I assume you are quoting some dictionary definition but there is a difference between definition and practice. This is the real world Greg!
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Semitism refers both to the language and to the state of being Jewish.
  So whilst he is right, he is also wrong.
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Because we choose to define it as such in our useage, and through the virulant irrational hatred and attempts to destroy the Jews, the word anti-Semetic has become inextractably linked to a perverse or irrational hatred of Jews Only.
  
  -"Semitic (adj.) 1797, denoting the language group that includes Hebrew, Arabic, Aramaic, Assyrian, etc.; 1826 as “of or pertaining to Semites,” from M.L. Semiticus, from Semita (see Semite). As a noun, as the name of a linguistic family, from 1813. In non-linguistic use, perhaps directly from Ger. semitisch, first used by German historian August Schlözer, 1781. In recent use often with the specific sense "Jewish," but not historically so limited."-
  
  http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?sea … hmode=none
  
  Anti-Semitic is Jewish-specific for historic reasons, as revealed by the Etymology Dictionary. In its most literal sense anti-Semitic should relate to all Semitic cultures, but this is not the case. Another great example of how history, politics, etc, shape the English language usage.
  
  Semetic, refers to a large goups of peoples, whose languages all derive from the same root language. Semite 1847, "Jew, Arab, Assyrian, Aramæan," from Mod.L. Semita, from L.L. Sem "Shem," one of the three sons of Noah (Gen. x:21-30), regarded as the ancestor of the Semites (in the days when anthropology was still bound by the Bible), from Heb. Shem.
  
  If you read my post, I said Semitism, Semitic, is not just as to the Jews, inferring that Anti-Semitism is a misgnomer.
  
  Semitism 1851, from Semite + -ism.
  
  I was very careful not to say, "anti-Semitic", but Semitism.
  
  anti-Semitism, also antisemitism, 1881, from Ger. Antisemitismus, first used by Wilhelm Marr (1819–1904) German radical, nationalist and race-agitator, who founded the Antisemiten-Liga in 1879; see anti- + Semite. Not etymologically restricted to anti-Jewish theories, actions, or policies, but almost always used in this sense. Those who object to the inaccuracy of the term might try H. Adler's Judaeophobia (1882). Anti-Semitic (also antisemitic) and anti-Semite (also antisemite) also are from 1881, like anti-Semitism they appear first in English in an article in the "Athenaeum" of Sept. 31, in reference to German literature.
  
  http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Semitic
  
  So no I believe I was correct, Richard.
  
  Hope your having a good day.
  
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  And nice try, John. Semitic means a people derived from a certain root language group, and anti-Semitic is exclusively applied to the Jews, and I was very careful to differentiate.
  
  So try again.. lol
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  lovemychrisposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/1 … ntor-be...
  
  NEW YORK -- Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.) told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday during a meeting in New York that the new GOP majority in the House will "serve as a check" on the Obama administration, a statement unusual for its blunt disagreement with U.S. policy delivered directly to a foreign leader.
  
  "Eric stressed that the new Republican majority will serve as a check on the Administration and what has been, up until this point, one party rule in Washington," read a statement from Cantor's office on the one-on-one meeting. "He made clear that the Republican majority understands the special relationship between Israel and the United States, and that the security of each nation is reliant upon the other." ....
  
  ....
  Ron Kampeas from the Jewish Telegraphic Agency news agency found Cantor's comments extremely surprising, writing, "I can't remember an opposition leader telling a foreign leader, in a personal meeting, that he would side, as a policy, with that leader against the president. Certainly, in statements on one specific issue or another -- building in Jerusalem, or somesuch -- lawmakers have taken the sides of other nations. But to have-a-face to face and say, in general, we will take your side against the White House -- that sounds to me extraordinary."
  ............
  
  Sounds to ME like treason. But what do I know? I'm only a citizen of the country that takes a back seat to another.....errrr, and isn't Cantor a dual citizen?
  
  Many people in our gvt are. So--how do you know where the loyalties lie?
  
  I am pro-America.......I put America First.
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ammm? Chris... the whole point of our Govt is check and balances between the branches. So think about what your saying, Cantor is committing treason by being the check and balance his position was created to be... yeah right. LoL
  
  You do not understand our Govt at all. Do you?
  
  Congress is a check and balance against the Executive branch, and the Judicial Branch against those two, and the Executive Branch "President", against the two of them, and the Congress is bi-cameral so that is has an innate check and balance between the two Houses of it's body.
  
  Fairly simple, Chris...
  
  Of course the Leant Left and Progressives have spent a century removing those checks and balances so as to gain more power in each of the Branches, and usurp one anothers' control and powers, so I can see why you wouldn't have a clue as to how it actually should work.
  
  And I told you all, the Leant Leftists and Progressive have all betrayed this nation for a century... so catch up.
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  lovemychrisposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Cantor is a check against OUR president FOR the president of another country.....I understand perfectly.
  
  That is treason in my book. I don't know WHAT you are reading.
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lovemychrisposted 14 years ago
'Anti-Semite & Anti-Semitism Are Tricks, We Always Use Them' - Vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUGVPBO9_cA
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TMMasonposted 14 years ago
He has never claimed to be a Journalist, like the traitor Edward R Murrow, and that is one thing many of his followers like about him. It gives him a certain credibility Jounalists and News Orgs. and jounalists today are surely lacking. But they have been a bastion of Leant Leftist Cultural Marxism for 90 years now, as set forth by the Frankfurt School, and embraced by the anti-American Left in this nation.

Show me some things he has been wrong on, Paul?

I am not a Beck fan, but his track record is better than any Leftist News Orgs. of today. He has pegged the Leant Left and their Progressive allies on many occassions, and I have yet to see any list of Beck being flat out wrong or pushing lies.

So if you have one, or can source on from a reputable source... then please, I would love to see it.
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lovemychrisposted 14 years ago
page 4:

"I can't remember an opposition leader telling a foreign leader, in a personal meeting, that he would side, as a policy, with that leader against the president."

Comprende?
Oh, and the guy saying this is Jewish....so you can't accuse HIM of being an anti-semite.

*disclaimer* Don't know if he's Jewish, but he writes for a Jewish publication.
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Cantor is performing the function of the office he holds in its capacity as a check and balance against the executive branch, and I do not like Progressives, Chris, so, I wish I could down him.
  
  But... it may be strange he would come right out and say it to another leader. Bu then after what Clinton and Gore and all the rest of the Left goes around the world saying regarding America, it is about time someone on the right did the same.
  
  Even if he is a Progressive.
  
  So... try again.
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  lovemychrisposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So Cantor's job is to keep tabs on Obama for Netanyahu?
  
  ON WHAT PLANET?
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Go back and read what the article said... ""Eric stressed that the new Republican majority will serve as a check on the Administration and what has been, up until this point, one party rule in Washington,"...
  
  and what I said... " Congress is a check and balance against the Executive branch, and the Judicial Branch against those two, and the Executive Branch "President", against the two of them, and the Congress is bi-cameral so that is has an innate check and balance between the two Houses of it's body."
  
  Then percolate on it till conprehension dawns.
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  John Holdenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But surely if there is one party rule in Washington, it has been because of Republicans not cooperating in government.
  Are we supposed to believe that this will change if Republicans gain control?
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  lovemychrisposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  America is GONE if Republicans gain control.
  
  All this crap happening in Greece and elsewhere..it has a precedent. Argentina in the 1990's.
  
  And Bush daddy, the IMF, internationals, big banks...all were involved.
  
  Take public property--sell it for pennies on the dollar to private interests....
  Wisconsin is doing this for Koch.
  Michigan is doing this in gvt.
  
  Bankrupt the gvt.
  Privitize for Profit.
  
  It's the Republican plan.
  
  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 817317115#
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes it is the Leant Leftist Socialist/Progressive plan to destroy us... I am glad you finally understand Chris. The Left, and Progressive Right, need to be stopped and removed from our Govt.
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  lovemychrisposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This is not progressivism, it's highway robbery by Robber Barons.
  
  And they come in the suits of Republibaggers.
  And we DID remove the right.....but they wormed their way back in.
  
  We'll see if they do it again.
  
  Somehow, I doubt it.
  
  The gig is up. Masks off. Brute force and greed, that's what's underneath.
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  lovemychrisposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "Certainly, in statements on one specific issue or another -- building in Jerusalem, or somesuch -- lawmakers have taken the sides of other nations. But to have-a-face to face and say, in general, we will take your side against the White House -- that sounds to me extraordinary."
  
  You percolate.
  And consider what you would have said had Daschle met with the president of Iran and said the same.
  "We Democrats will serve as a check on the Bush administration, as we understand our special relationship."
  
  Daschle siding with Iran against Bush?
  
  Percolate yourself.
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  TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Congress is a check against the Executive Branch.
  
  And you should worry more about Carter, and Clinton, and Gore running all around the word, and Cynthia McKenney in Libya speaking treason aginst the USA.
  
  http://www.theblaze.com/stories/green-b … f-america/
  
  Cantor has every right to be a check agianst Obama and his policies. It is what he was elected to do.
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lovemychrisposted 14 years ago
"Cantor has every right to be a check agianst Obama and his policies. It is what he was elected to do."

Really? And what of us who elected Obama?
Where are our rights against a House working against our interests?

Let's see....I voted for Obama to implement his policies......members of MY gvt are working against him FOR a foreign country...

Yeah....sounds right. NOT.
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kirstenblogposted 14 years ago
This thread is in MASSIVE need of a hijack!!!
It's not like anyone here has had their mind changed on anything, no one seems to have had their understanding of anything expanded on. Its all been, 'I'm right!' 'No, I'm right!' 'No your not you Nazi!' 'No your the Nazi!' blah blah blah

So without further ado

Hey PD!
Haven't chatted with you in awhile, how ya been?
We have been having some lovely warm weather my neck o the woods, its been just lovely. Although we did have some flash hail the other day, spooked hubby enough he was standing in the door way with visions of 'the day after tomorrow' going through his head I think
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  prettydarkhorseposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ""Day after tomorrow,"" -- LOL
  
  Love you Kirsten...I am good, am glad you are enjoying the weather..am always glad to talk to you. Take care..
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knolyourselfposted 14 years ago
The only thing that changes is fashions
and technology.
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