If a Married Lesbian Couple Saves 40 Teens from the Norway Massacre and No One Writes About it, Did it Really Happen?
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My question to you is--------if they weren't married lesbians, if they were just two platonic friends, wouldn't they still have saved the kids?
I would think so, wouldn't you??
So, why would you or anyone else even point out their sexual situation? To use it for liberal political gain? What rot.
The article says they were eating at a restaurant, which was probably full of platonic friends, yet they were the only ones to act.
I ain't no hater...
... but if I'm going to have to start identifying myself as "The heterosexual Evan G Rogers" whenever I do anything so that observers may properly identify my sexuality when writing about my triumphant victories in life...
... Then I'm going to move to Antarctica.
I'm glad you clarified. I thought the young woman in your picture was just someone you like to go out shopping with.
There's no need to worry. Your shirt leaves no doubt that you cannot be anything other than straight.
how about the ever-popular Ambiguously Gay Duo?
These (super) heroes are on TV all the time
If this is true, I cannot understand why the Press has not made something of it, as it is the sort of thing they really go for. Maybe, the fact that Norway is in shock explains why this news item is only now coming out.
Not rot, if they were platonic friends, the media would have eaten it up. It is BECAUSE of their relationship that their heroism is being ignored.
If their "sexual situation" is the reason they aren't getting the credit due to them, then it is very important indeed.
How is that important at all?! The important thing is that they saved some lives. Why would you think they'd want "credit" anyway? If you're in a position to save a life, would you do it for the "credit"?
No, but a hero should be recognized regardless of narrow-minded tight-assed conservative christian media control. If the fundamentalists could get their egotistical ignorant self-absorbed holier-than-thou heads out of their own nether regions long enough to stop worrying that someone else was getting what they secretly long for then they would recognize a hero(s) when they saw one.
Actually I did read it from the press, a day or two after the massacre took place.The news was up by the most popular online news site in my country.I really appreciated, and even, felt somewhat proud, that they had published a long article about those two people, who saved over 40 lives.However, my feelings were reversed when I started to read comments and the number of thumbs up and thumbs down.The most thumbed up comment, had about 1000 thumbs up and less than 100 thumbs down, the comment was basically the following: "I don´t understand WHY our media shows those homosexuals as heroes, why did they have to do so long article about those two, there were many others.And PROMOTING homosexuality should be a crime..."It went on and on, the thing that was really sad, was that this comment was the most approved comment by the community, and that is really really sad for me.
I doubt that they did it for the damned credit, It's a shame that their doing it is being ignored because of their sexual relationship. It seems that nothing these people can do will ever be accepted. As long as this story is ignore the bigotted homophobes can continue living in the make believe world.
You have it backwards. Bigoted heterophobia is what has caused the whole political controversy from the start.
And indeed promoting homosexuality should be a crime, just as polygamy and having sex with underage people.
The fact that it was a christian fundie that did the killing can be dismissed with the handy dandy, he want a true christian. Kind of hard to say they were true lesbians huh
It is a shame they could not have been spoken of without the emphesis on their sexual preference. Seems to me it doesn't matter what they are in that respect... they did what they had to do and God bless them for it.
The rest is just the media propaganda for the homosexual agenda.
If it had been a muslim couple it would still be rot right brenda. Your bigotry is sickening to watch. The couple are human beings that did a wonderful thing and you bitch because someone mentioned that they were lesbian. Your god deserves you
Your personal attacks deserve something too, Mister.
How r u, Brenda?
I hope well.
And don't you just love how anyone who doesn't agree with the Liberal Socialist Democrat Ideology and BS is a bigot... but those who do not accept our views are "enlightened".
It is the joke of jokes.
By all means let er rip Brenda, Show your true colors as if most on here dont already know what they are.
Run to daddy hub pages and report me, Tell them I hurt your fewwings.
Conservative Christians like their lesbians to be 19 with bleached hair and implants. They want them to call them daddy too. Seriously, here is where lesbians get a rougher haul then gay men in a way. They aren't as ostracized in general, but the male dominated media doesn't want to ruin their fantasy of lesbian cheerleaders with "real" lesbians. It would make their closet porn less enticing.
I suppose you would have been happier if they had let the kids die. Or at the very least not finding out how decent people that you despise for no good reason can be and are
As long as you dont have to be reminded that they're human you can exist peacefully in your little fantasy world. this has nothing to do with conservatives and liberals. it has to do with two people who should be hailred as heroes
what are your views TM. the press should ignore these people to keep you happy. It figures you would find a way to look down your ignorany nose at them also.
My views are clearly posted above Stump. I am more than happy they got all the glory and they desrve it... God bless them for their actions.
I think the story would have been fine without an emphesis on their sexual prreference. And it doesn't bother me one way or the other. If the media wants to focus on that rather than the heroism displayed... that is their choice.
You do not get it do you?
I do not judge or condemn the individuals, homosexuals... I judge the act.
But perhaps Mason has a direct line to God, and speaks for Him.
God speaks to us all... if you listen you will hear him.
It is up to God to judge individuals for their actions and sins.
Unacceptable acts are clearly defined in the bible. And it is up to us not to accept nor participate in them.
So... that's life.
what the hell does this story have to do with liberal socialists?
All ya gotta do is read the link from the writers of the story. Their liberal agenda is fully displayed in that article they link to.
The rescuers are heroes, yes. But the writers have latched onto the story specifically for the ulterior motive of promoting homosexuality. Heck, everyone knows that gays are humans with the capability of having compassionate hearts just like everyone else is capable of; the only thing different is that they engage in deviant sexual behavior, which shouldn't be an issue in this case at all. But for sure the article writers have made it an issue.
I take great offense to the term "deviant" as you have no idea what goes on between two people of any sexual orientation. I imagine many hetero couplings have "deviant" acts, no better and no worst than same sex couplings. To assume what others do in the bedroom is simply that, an asumption. I find such sorrow in the words that get placed among what could otherwise be a real advantage for showing the love of Christainity. I read the judgemental words that stab my heart and stop me in my path. If you wish to motivate others toward Chritian living, and love, in my humble opinion judgement must be left to G_d.
I bid you peace~
The act of homosexuality in itself is deviant.
That is just the way it is. You want to act that way, go ahead.
That doesn't make it normal, natural or morally acceptable... it simple makes it your choice.
And yes many people choose to act in deviant ways. That doesn't make them good choices.
According to the Bible it is immoral to wear clothing made from more than one fibre. I bet you don't bother to follow this one, when you are buying a pair of trousers. I have tried over and over again to get a Christian to explain why some parts of the Bible are to be followed, but not others. And, whilst different Christians disagree about which bits are to be followed, the only bit they agree on is the homosexuality bit. It would seem that only gay people are to follow every letter of biblical law, but the straights can pick and choose.
You have no idea what I wear or what doctrines I follow.... do you?
@ Stump... go read his manifesto. You can call him what you want. But he is not a Christian in the religious sense of the word, Stump.
Have you read his manifesto?
your correct, I haven't i've been relying on the liberal press for my information. I have no interest in people like this.
Well, I take it from this that you do make sure that your clothes are all made from only one fibre. I'm so glad. You have restored my confidence in Christianity.
And neither are you TM I suppose if your jesus met a homosexual on the street he would condemn him the same way you do. Oh that's right it's not the sinner you hate, it's the sin. Sin is sin and you are just as much of a sinner as the homosexuals you like to berate. Why should you be above condemnation? I suppose your god keeps a raking system going right.
I do not condemn them... I condemn the act, the sin.
Figure it out Stump.
And yes I have sinned my share... but I have learned and try not to act in ways which are sinful anymore.
And that is the difference, Stump. We all sin... we are all flawed... but we are all required to learn and to change. To correct ourselves as best we can. We do not accept that behaviour and figure oh well we can do as we please.... that is just wrong.
According to Christianity, there is nothing more evil than a homosexual. Murder, rape, incest, child abuse, these are nothing to compare to the evils of two people in love, who feel the need to save 40 children. This is why I am no longer a Christian.
That is because your act condemns all those who other-wise would have come from your line. You are in effect killing the thousands who would be your descendents.
See the logic there?
Just as when cain killed Abel and Abel's "bloods" multiple, cried out to God. When you murder, you do not only murder that individual... but all those who would have come from him/her. Same logic applies to the act of homosexuality.
Same logic applies to those who use condoms and birth control. Are they sinners because of it?
If you follow the literal doctrines yes. Same as masterbators. your seed is precious to God, it is the vehicle to life for the spirits of others.
So any waste of it is frowned upon.
And you know Stump, we are all sinners. But that doesn't mean we root others on to sin in more and more ways, or embrace every sin that comes our way.
Sherlock, not all Christians feel that way about homosexuality. Don't judge a faith by it's zealots and self-serving members that only wish to use Christ to push their own agenda.
Melissa, I'm aware of that fact also. However I would venture to guess that 85% of all christians around me here in SC feel that way.The farther north you go the more toerance for everything you find
LMAO, Stump... I'm from West Virginia. I used to be discouraged by the jokes about the state but I'm beginning to believe that we are leaps and bounds ahead of the rest of the "educated" states in certain areas. Maybe it comes from the whole state having less than half of the population of the city of Toronto. We all know each other, so we all love each other regardless of who's doing who or who believes what.
We have the really old timers who are all talk that no one listens to (mainly because you cant understand toothless people when they have a rub of snuff in) but most people under the age of 50 or so could give a flying fig less about color, sexuality, political affiliations or religion.... But you better like country music.
Your last sentence reminds me of this, which I just saw yesterday:
I forgot you were in west by god. it's not often that the hillbillies are proven to be the superior peoples, lol. I always love it when my ancestors come out on top.
Unfortunately, I can only base my views on my own experience. Perhaps the fundamentalists have the biggest voices, perhaps they are not really Christians at all, only bigots, who use the name of Jesus as an excuse for their hatred. If so, it should be time for Christians who do not feel this way to come forward. Just as Muslim terrorists are in the minority, it is the fact that the moderate Muslim does not come forward to condemn the fundamentalists, so too Christians of a more moderate view should come forward more often. Otherwise, the Christian hater will seem to have it all his/her own way
Those first two statements have no truth in them. They're not beliefs of a Christian.
I truly agree with the concept that many people act in deviant ways. What I disagree with is this; those who take it upon themselves to don the wings of archangels in a quest for what they believe to be righteous anger toward gays or any person or group. You have a right to your beliefs, and I respect this; but please manage the judgement more ethically as what you put to page here reaches the eyes and hearts of those who are still learning what it is to be Christian. It would not be a loving task to teach hate against gays, no matter how well you have refined your lessons.
I say this with great respect TM.
I do not teach hate against anyone, K9.
but I do not accept immorality as moral, un-natural as natural nor deviant as normal.
I hate the sin... not the sinner.
just as God hates the sin, not the sinner.
God does not command me to embrace an act that is immoral and sinful... He tells me to accept the people who sin as flawed, as we all are... not their actions or choices.
I have never treated any homosexual with anything other than respect. But that does not mean i teach my children to embrace that lifestyle and consider it natural and moral.
That is pretty simple.
They have the right to choose to act as they want. But they do not have a right to force me to accept it as normal and natural and moral.
I respect your meaning when you say hate the sin, not the sinner. Possibly more clarity when making your point in this area would help.
Thank you for your reasonable response.
Only Love TM~
Your welcome, K9.
And thank you for allowing me to clearify. Sometimes it gets pretty quick in the forums and it is hard to go into details and specifics. My apologies for any misunderstandings.
All things are ultimately left up to God. Just not your G_d as you have defined it. And it isn't Christainity. It's Christianity. Seems your feet ran too swiftly to personal criticism that you didn't spell-check, eh?
You bid me peace? What kind of peace, before I accept that as a blessing? The kind of apathetic peace that comes from burying one's head in the sand? I will refrain. But if you mean the Peace of God that passeth all human understanding, then indeed I thank God for that! Jesus said He came not to bring (that ineffectual) peace of tolerance for all things. He came to divide our minds and hearts into choices, and gave us the ability to choose.
I bid you to pray for wisdom instead of having sympathy for the things God says He doesn't tolerate.
Wow. What a valuable duo to have as members of our society. To serve the well being of those frightened and wounded people is huge in terms of being a hero. These two went back four times to save the children; even after a bullet hole ripped through their boat? Now that's an honorable citizen in my book.
I am certain had it been a married hetro couple, the headlines would have read, "married couple" without a doubt. The fact that this is not the case BECAUSE the two are lesbians is simply tragic. Shame on any person who thinks otherwise.
A christian fundie kills 77 people and your problem is with the lesbians that saved 40 kids Amen
He was not a Christian fundamentalist, Stump. Go read his manifesto and you will see that much clearly. his love of Christianity is not a religious devotion or anywhere near a belief in Christ.
He is talking about his love for the Christian basis of his culture... not his love of Christ.
Stump, there is little point in arguing with a Christian fundamentalist. They are so certain of their superiority, and the belief that they are God's chosen people, that you will never convince them to try thinking in any other way. They really are beyond rational thinking. Hatred in the name of Jesus is what they are all about. Such hatred was the cause of the Norway attack in the first place. Personally, I have great trouble understanding the Christian point of view, because the Jesus I read about in my Bible was a man of peace and love. But try convincing Christians of this and you will have a fight on your hands.
REAL Christians do believe in love and respect for everyone. They believe that only God will judge and that they should refrain from it. They wish to be more like Christ. Fundamentalists are not real Christians
Try reading it again, but thoroughly. Then perhaps you'll actually fathom just a little bit of who Jesus was and is, instead of putting Him in a little lethargic limp-wristed lump in a benign useless box.
So Brenda, I have it wrong in my understanding of Christ being a peaceful loving man. You consider peace and love to indicate having a "limp-wrist." So He was really a man of hate. I have read the Bible, from cover-to-cover, both Old and New Testament, and I don't recognise your Christ.
Did you not read what he did to the money changers in the temple?
Christ could definitly get angry when his Father's word and house was trampled upon.
But yes he would forgive if repentance was sincere. There in lies the key. We all sin, we are all flawed, but we must all strive to over-come and not just acccept our flawed sinful ways because it is easier and we think, oh well god will simply forgive me.
You may be surprised... he may not be so forgiving when you willfully ignore him and not even try.
why did the rest of the press ignore the story? I suppose they didn't want to appear too liberal, right Brenda? Again this story has nothing to do with liberal and conservative, ignoring the story sure as hell does..
UW, I dont think the feel that god is up to the task. Or it could be that they feel they are god.
Tm I dont judge or condemn christianity, it's the christians like you I judge. and dispise. You have nothing at in common with what your jesus taught you. Your religion is a weapon of persecution and hatred. I repeat, you people sicken me.
If the garbage you spew is any indication of what your god tells you, I'm happier now than I ever was to say the hell with god
cant find an intelligent remark so you pick on my spelling. you knew what I said. or you wouldn't have needed to act like a kid and correct my spelling.
Who are you talkin' to? I corrected another poster's spelling. But not yours. Unless you're making multiple postings under different names....
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Well, what an interesting thread...
Firstly, I came upon this thread through seeing that a lady whom I admire very much, K9, had posted to it, via my updates on Hub Pages. I was unaware of this particular aspect of this horrific tragedy until I started reading this thread and its associated links. I am afraid that although it started well, I became more filled with despair the further I read. Excuse me people, shouldn't this be about the children who were nearly killed...???... and saved by a wonderful couple totally irrespective of anything else, rather than some outlet for name calling and gay bashing?
I will always be among the first in line to promote freedom of speech, the right for each one of us to voice his or her own opinion and everyone to be allowed to live their own lives, the way they choose to do so, provided it does not adversely affect those same rights enjoyed by others. Isn't that what countries such as our many countries in the West hold dear above all else??
It is doubtful that I will return to this thread, I just felt I had to say something.
(PS - In case you're wondering: no, I am not a lesbian... )
I'm not a Christian myself, but it's probably worth clarifying some definitions so the good doesn't get lumped in with the bad.
Christian - someone who believes in Jesus Christ
Christian fundamentalist - someone who believes in the literal word of Jesus Christ and sincerely tries to live the way JC instructed. We have almost no Christian fundamentalists here on HubPages, as far as I can see.
Dominionist (or Christianist) - the Christian version of an Islamist (which is not the same as a Muslim). Loudly claims to be Christian (even a fundamentalist), but routinely ignores basic Christian teachings and espouses a right-wing political agenda. Breivik is just one of these; others are participating in this thread.
Thank you very much LL, always nice when a calm reasonable mind come to play.
lol, I had to walk away to bring the old blood pressure down below the danger level.
To paraphrase Frogdropping: you can't reason with carrots.
This must be where I have been going wrong. Perhaps talking to vegetables won't get me very far, but I am still willing to give it my best. I did once have a very interesting discussion with a Jerusalem artichoke about post-modernist literature, but that is another story.
Thanks! Melissa is one of the Christians who I would certainly not want to lump in with the Dominionists. There are plenty of others, too.
Didn't the christian god knock up a 13 year old betrothed virgin? Did he have her permission to do so? Is this considered "godly behavior"?
Yes... those who are guilty of syncretism are the true Christians... unbelievable.
It is exactly that idiocy and BS which condemned Israel and Judah. But we all know that history repeats itself.
There is nothing contradictory about my beliefs TM. But nice try.
That depends on what your church accepts and practices.
If God said no... but they say yes just to keep the people coming in... then they are too syncretistic.
And if they simply embrace any immorality, or mix of doctrines, to ease the publics view of them... then yes they are.
And if they think they have the authority to set aside doctrine and commandments regardless of God's view or words... then yes they are.
Go read the history of Israel and Judah up to the diasporas... our churches are doing the same thing today, and the catholics did it a long time ago and continue to do it to this day.
Go read the prophet, Ezekiel, and see what God says about mixing his worship with others, and watering it down to please others.
He does not like it.
Yes stump its rare that people from west virginy come out on top of anything but a Jerry Springer show... We really aren't that bad though. I don't like the "gunrack in every pickup" thing but Christianity means something here. The right things in my mind... Helping people (When the poorest state has one of the highest percentage of charitable donations that says something) community, love, and banding together in tough times. Hillbillies have it right sometimes.
Thank you LL! I take that as a HUGE compliment.
Those girls are true hero's, they should be given the recognition that they deserve......jimmy
Perhaps now that the story is breaking, one of the news services will have the guts to tell the story
Ya'll enjoy, I gotta leave for awhile. I'll stop back and clean up the mess from this battle later. Peace
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