Everything is a Social issue or a Racial issue or a conspiracy theory to Liberals.
Let's see.
One party continually fights for tax cuts for billionaires paying 15% tax rates. The same party cries about socialism when it comes to helping the least fortunate among us while supporting subsidies to Exxon, war profiteers making billions in quarterly profits off the backs of the hard working American people and the blood of the loyal men and women bravely serving this country, and any other social program that pampers the rich.
Then, they grab their Bibles, head to church, and come back out looking to ban gays from equal rights and spend every waking minute trying to figure out how to deny affordable healthcare to the people of America.
You know, the politicians that can't stand socialized healthcare yet have the best socialized healthcare in the world?
In short, if you're an avid viewer of FOX and idolize Rush, none of what I've said will make any sense. You'll never hear about the poverty rate, nor see any charts, but you'll certainly hear episode after episode how the "job creators" have it so bad and how Acorn nearly ruined the foundation of our voting institution.
It's sad that so many people purposely choose to misinform the masses and it's even sadder that the masses can't figure it out.
Oh well, what do I know, I'm just presenting another conspiracy theory.
and in true form - yet another another another boring thread started by yet another hysterical right wing noise maker.
Agreed. I don't know why I waste my time with these threads. I typically stay away, but can't help it sometimes.
When you have people mindlessly regurgitating FOX, Hannity, Beck, Limbaugh, and the likes, you get what we've got in this country; a country tailor-maid to suit the selfish needs of crazy talking-heads making millions while the vast majority of the American people are reduced to squalor.
I'm not surprised these talking-heads use their influence in such a disgusting manner, but I'm becoming increasingly surprised and concerned at the number of people who fall for it due to their blind ideology, ignorance, or a combination of both.
When we have people cheering for the possible death of innocent people on death row and the same group of individuals who can't wait to deny health coverage to those most in need, it's a sad state of affairs.
Right because the left doesn't "mindlessly" regurgitate what the talking heads on the left espouse because people like Ed Shultz, Matthews, Maddow, Maher, Garafalo, and Rosie Odonnel and smart, thoughtful, truth tellers with insight beyond the comprehension of the conservative mind! Lol!
the thought of those you just mentioned, those from msnbs, made me sick
MSNBC. Not msnbs. Great minds think alike. Or don't think, alike.
ROFL, I think I just wee'ed a little, Rosie O'Donnel, smart! That's some funny shiznit!
Honestly, these conservatives just don't watch the liberal cartoon, The Simpsons. According to them Rosie O'Donnel is on the airplane sent straight into the sun cause these people are ANNOYING!
Give it up. Conservatives no likey coherent sentence. Make feel sad.
You sure are scared of FOX news. Liberals have all the network news and all but one cable news station parroting everything they say and FOX news sends you into a hissy fit. I guess its because people ACTUALLY watch FOX and ignore the other so called news outlets. Relax, you still got Hollywood.
I watch Fox news just to see what they have to say. The only person who isn't completely blinded by hypocratic garbage is Billl O'Reilly, and lately he's acting more center right again. The station probably told him he was getting too "fair and balanced." Hannity is just a parrot, and the way he fawns over Sarah Palin is hilarious.Too bad he isn't sitting at a lucite desk, I wonder what Mrs. Hannity would think!
You could just as easily ask, why do conservatives hate their fellow man so deeply?
Asking questions like this is just rude and ignorant.
Because if they weren't nobody would pay any attention to them.
Hysterical, as in given to sweeping and emotive generalizations?
Might as well try some pictures. Your words are proving to be woefully inadequate.
At least the words were her own, not stolen from some poor grafter.
These threads don't irritate me anymore. Actually, I find them really amusing and entertaining. If you've spent time in these threads attempting to both debate and inform, then you really have wasted your time. The fact of the matter is, that you can't reason with stupidity
AAAAAAAAAAMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The same holds true for conservatives. I guess they are all so mad and unreasonable because those of us in the middle have long since stopped taking any of them seriously.
mornin' all.....still talkin' about this stuff i see....ha ha ha
When I see someone talking about "liberals" or "conservatives" in such ways - I then know that they are either:
1. nearly retarded or
2. a paid political poster.
In any case - I call them out on it as I'm doing here, and then make a note to completely ignore them for the rest of my days.
You call them out or you ignore them, which is it?
Your just proving my point "Wesman" I worded it that way for a reason and judging by the responses you fell for it. I knew people would get hysterical.
It's such a pity that you are still unable to distinguish between communism and liberalism, even my 14 year old daughter has a basic grasp of the ideological differences between political groups, still you have the rest of your life for personal development. 'The socialist brain of a liberal democrat' now that is funny, I laughed almost as much as I did when I heard your arguments for opposing health reform in the US.
You see, the thing is, if you had any real desire to improve the lives of your fellow Amercians, you'd recognize that this left, right mentality or what some would consider mindless aggression, is damaging to you all. Why not concentrate your energy on trying to find solutions to problems,instead of making more?
The "problem" is liberalism! The idea that government should have a larger role in society, that all our real and imagined problems, can be fixed by another government bureaucracy, a new law, a new tax or an expansion of government power is the "progressive" philosophy of liberals. They believe this all in spite of 100 years of evidence in this country that proves otherwise and thousands of years of history that shows power corrupts and eventually destroys the societies it claimed it would protect and make better. Liberalism leads to socialism then communism and finally fascism. Liberalism is the seed of the tree of destruction.
Millionaires and billionaires were paying more in taxes when your sainted Reagan was president. D's just want to return to those levels. The middle class doesn't even exist.
Obama wants to raise taxes on those making 250,000 a year, he just likes using the words millionaires and billionaires because he is in campaign mode. I see its resonating.
Please explain how taxing the rich helps you? How does it help the economy? How does it help unemployment?
This is all about creating an "enemy" to direct voters anger to, it's class warfare and its wrong.
Because gvt needs money to operate. When you take money out of the operating expenses--a HUGE chunk!, others are put-upon to make up for that loss. Having the rich pay taxes at the same rate as the rest, will put more money in, allowing for less raiding of the middle class. It's really very simple.
Of course, you say we need to spend less, so the rich can keep more.....and I say Ok: Belly up! What are the rich willing to give up so as to share in the sacrifice?
Loopholes, subsidies, expenditures, or Swiss bank accounts?
His does taxing more allow the government to spend more? Has the current tax rate stopped the government from spending ANYTHING?
If you take money out, you gotta cut somewhere!
You are wanting to take money out so the rich can keep more. I am asking you what you will cut to do it?
"The deficit committee has to choose: will they stand with the 16 million people in their districts who rely on Social Security and Medicare, or will they send that money to Lockheed Martin’s CEO?"
Russsshhhhhhhhhhhh, or the poor families who will be HOMELESS due to profit-driven economy?
Who are you with?
Social security has to be reformed or it will self destruct. Same with medicare. Even if you take all of the money the rich make it won't put a dent in our debt and it will be a one time event.
Now I'm confused, is ongoing tax collection a one time event?
It is if the rate is 100%! Who would bother working if that was their tax rate?
100% wow, this is a new one on me. I'm sure if I asked you to provide a credible source for this proposed rate of taxation at 100% you'd find it.
Its exhausting trying to keep up with you libs. Perhaps read the thread from the beginning so I don't have to rehash the conversation.
Maybe ALL Americans should pay? The system you seem to like is some pay a majority of the taxes (70%) and some pay (30%). The bottom 50% pay none at all, as a matter of fact the employment tax that is taken from their checks is returned to them in greater numbers at the end of the year. Fair to you is someone else paying your way.
The bottom 50% pay no taxes. You must be believing more political distortion and misinformation. *palm to face*
Sorry, they paid a whopping 4% of all taxes in 1999. That steadily dropped to 2.7% in 2008. Yeah, they are carrying the load alright, you may want to try the palm to face trick again. Never mind it wont do you any good.
http://ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html
You being wrong makes you laugh? You really don't seem to know much about any of this, why bother to even post? I mean its funny to watch but at some point you got to get tired of being wrong don't you? Eh, suit yourself.
IF they are paying no income taxes, it's because they have no income!
Why don't employers PAY more, so their employee's can have enough money TO tax?
This canard about "the rich pay all the taxes"....it's because they have all the money!
AND--the VERY rich pay VERY little. That is why we are in this mess in the first place!
We had to borrow money to give BILLIONAIRES a tax break. It is STUPID beyond stupid.
50% of Americans have no income, that's your answer? Pay your fair share and leave the rest of us 50% alone.
Hmmm, let's see...I pay roughly 15% on a roughly $30,000 income....If you factor in state and local....thanks to Obama, my Fed tax is basically gone. The biggest bite for me is FICA. Which, I know--you don't consider a tax.
a 3 million dollar a year hedge funder pays at 15% too......
Yeah--you need to take more from me.......snark.
WHICH, BTW--IS the Republican philosophy!
How would taxing the rich help me? Well, not me so much, my half sister really. You see she was severely disabled having suffered extreme seizures most of her life. In 2006 she died having nearly drowned in the bath after having had a seizure. She was supposed to be supervised in the bath to ensure she didn't have a seizure while in the bath. It is my firm belief that the reason there were no staff supervising her when she needed them is down to the funding cuts group homes like hers suffered during President Bushes term, resulting in staff cuts that meant she couldn't get the supervision she needed to simply bathe. As far as I am concerned, those who whine about how unfair it is to have to contribute to their society and demand to have no taxes, are directly responsible for the funding cuts that lead to my sisters death. Such people are no better then murderers accomplices. These belly aching whiners are at best willfully ignorant and should only be laughed at, at worst they are properly hateful greedy people that could fairly be called evil and as such shouldn't be paid attention to except to make sure all they can do is whine like toddlers. I tell you what was unfair, my sister, unable to take a bath with proper supervision. The hundreds of broken bones and teeth she suffered over her life was pretty unfair. Rich people having to contribute to the a society they sell to and profit off of just doesn't really seem all that unfair when I see my sisters life. Don't like it? Go try selling to the people in the Canary Islands and other tax havens, they are great for storing your money but the natives are poor as dirt and don't have money to buy useless plastic crap as status symbols. Somalia would likely welcome so many rich people, they would make great ransom victims.......
Sorry about your sis but I think your anger is misdirected. You believe cuts Bush made were the problem but you don't have the facts. Bush also passed a prescription plan with the support of dems in congress that undoubtedly helped many people but you wont give him credit for that. Nor will you blame Obama for the 500 billion in cuts he made to medicare so young healthy people that could afford insurance but chose not to buy it could still have it.
But prescription plans don't supervise bathers!
Perhaps they do in Ladyloves world, that same world where Obama has proposed taxation at 100%
Aye, probably,who knows what makes Lady Love's world go round. I certainly can't fathom it!
Her world is flat and occupies the center of the universe, thus it doesn't go around anything.
If you're going to talk about me, make a new thread, you're off topic! Lol
The point is she didn't identify what cuts Bush made that led to a layoff where her sister lived. It doesn't make sense. Bush was growing the program increasing spending and debt. Even Obama in his campaign called Bush unpatriotic for the debt he created. So what cuts? It sounds to me like she has a case for wrongful death. No care facility should allow someone with her sister's condition to bathe alone no matter how many cuts are made. You're telling me that if staff was cut that they couldn't adjust by giving less baths per week? That the only option was to risk the life of a patient? You liberals really don't give much thought to anything do you?
Told you, I'm not a liberal, I'm a socialist.
Wow ,you republicans really are selfish.This guy wont even give up any cash for his own kids.
http://www.rollcall.com/news/report_wal … 780-1.html
Really? One guy who hasn't paid his child support and you say republicans are selfish? Stretch.
Republicans keep crying about taxes but want the services,what's that?
So we stop giving two baths per week, and give one bath every two weeks. THAT'S HOW I WANT TO GROW OLD!!!! YEAH!
That's a different issue. Why can't liberals stay focused? No wonder this country is such a mess!
When your dealing with certain issues, then you need to look at all aspects of that issue before you implement policy. They are connected. The fact that you are willing to implement certain policies on a whim is irresponsible.
For the record, I'm not a liberal, nor a conservative. I'm an educated American that believes in informing myself so I don't make rash decisions. I do not think it is healthy for our country for individuals to listen to doctrine, (whatever doctrine it may be), and spew misinformed and partial information out to the masses. I agree with some conservative points as well as some liberal points. Noone is right all the time, and to claim a certain group is right and another is wrong, with no consideration of their view, or all of the facts, is self-rightous, and irresponsible.
Oh brother! I listen to the views on the left and when I'm done separating the lies from the truth and finished laughing then I explain what's right. Obviously you haven't read the entire thread so you're not making sense.
As to the rest of the forum discussion, I refer to my post on the last page of (tax the rich more so they pay their fare share) forum.
When changes are made to health care, and cut, there are less home health care professionals to visit and help the housebound, healing, or people who need help to do basic chores for a few hours. Everyone doesn't come from a big family, many people have no help. Your answer to kirstenblog was just plain mean. Are you human? Or did anyone you ever love die because there weren't enough people around to help. You are a cruel and meanspirited person. Have fun at church Sunday. I'm not coming on these forums to get annoyed by idiots.
Which part was mean? The part where I said I was sorry, or one word you took at of context because you didn't bother to read?
I totally agree with the last thing you said.
Can she spell and use words correctly as well? Oooooooooooooh...Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh You should encourage her to join the Tea Party. She could become their deity.
Thought lady love was a Tea Party member already.
She's a free agent. The GOP just pays better.
Well, if she's earning performance related pay linked to the amount of conversions to the tea party, it's going to be a pretty miserable Christmas at LaLo's.
Why are the people I hate hateful!!!11eleventy!
Seriously, that isn't a real question.
Haha I like the !!eleventy!! part.
You're right, though. I think it's about catharsis and group identification through demonization of "the other", but, as a psychologist, you probably understand this phenomenon better.
"I laughed almost as much as I did when I heard your arguments for opposing health reform in the US."
I just heard that the rate of un-insured has gone from 28% to 24% thanks to the new provision that kids can remain on their parents plan until age 26....something which is very good, as I also heard that the poorest group of American citizens now are those young adults.
The richest?
Seniors.
My mom says it's due to Medicare....make it avaliable to us all, and imagine...our kids might even have the chance for a future.
Instead of paying for baby-boomers, who are the LAST generation to survive 30+ years of Republican economic policies.
***
This is only the beginning of the benefits we ALL will see as a result of Obama's policies....we MUST give them a chanced to blossom. Not turn back again!
Come on America...wise up. Right-Wing policies are no good. We've tried them ENUFF!
We live in a soft fascist, one party state. The irony of it all is both sides want to argue on which is best to run up the deficit. Either entitlements or bombs. Neither work, neither are moral.
Ron Paul 2012
I disagree.
We are arguing on what kind of country we want to have!
My parents and grandparents had a country where one person could support a family with one job.
Vacations, savings: all on a factory job!
Now, you need 2 incomes to NOT make ends meet!
No vacations, No savings, no job security!
30 years and it FAILED.
Do not go back!
Well then, I guess that would be just another bad perception. Seriously, people should learn more about how to use their perception, instead of using willful ignorance to guide themselves.
Yes, you have bad perception, but its ok.
Bad perception? I'm not the one who choose to use willful ignorance to guide myself.
Have you ever Googled yourself? There is one interesting and entertaining forum devoted to you or at least a cagsil. It mentions your over use of Phrases like your ignorant or you lack understanding, you should seek it out.
I've no reason to Google myself. As for the repeating of phrases, it's for a reason, I continue to run into the same types of people, which brings out the same terminology.
Wow, Cagsil, there's a page devoted to you and your phrases. Repairguy47, perhaps the most you can ever hope for, is that someone actually bothered to Google you.
It keeps me up at nights wondering what others may think of me.
How nice. Someone went out of their way to devote an entire page to things I say. Oh well, I guess they don't have much of a life, if they are using phrases that I say and posting them online. Then again, on a positive note, I guess it's free advertising.
I guess, if you like that kind of advertising. Personally I wouldn't be too happy about it. But I lack understanding because I'm ignorant with a subtle case of bad perception.
Of course you would be unhappy with it and it has nothing to do with ignorance. You apparently sweat the small stuff and use small stuff to make some big noise, which shows a lot.
I guess that means something to you, I remain very confused with whatever it is you think your saying. Google, its pretty damn funny.
Repairguy47, open your mind a little, do it for yourself and your own progression. BTW, don't be afraid of me, I've merely asked you to explain yourself. If your confident about your own perspectives, this should not be a problem.
Open my mind to what exactly? What you really mean is I should see things your way. My mind is wide open and if you offer me something to think about I will, so far you asked what I meant when I was posting to someone else. Got anything?
I'm asking you to open your mind, to the fact, that political leaders you once had faith in, let you down and lied to you. This phenomena is not exclusive to the right. Political figures of all colors have engaged in this practice. You do not have to blindly follow them. You voted for them, they lied, they are in the wrong. You do not, out of some misplaced loyalty, have to defend them.
How do you know who I voted for? You seem to have all the answers based on zero facts.
Sorry, I assumed you voted for President Obama and that you are indeed, a liberal. You're right I shouldn't male assumptions.
I just heard that the rate of un-insured has gone from 28% to 24% thanks to the new provision that kids can remain on their parents plan until age 26....something which is very good, as I also heard that the poorest group of American citizens now are those young adults.
Exactly,that's why I laughed when la lo argued against the reforms.
Hmmm you've caught them on quite a bit of the dis-connect from the rhetoric to the actual facts....
That 9/11 catch was superb! Just destroyed their argument...by their own words!
Yes, it pays to be un-emotional and objective.....I oughta try it sometime
I think many people are hysterical. The conservatives are hysterical against the liberals and the other way around. And the religious are hysterical against atheists and atheists against the religious. Hysteria, and anger is particularly obvious online, because people can say what they want without fear of being physically attacked. I do sometimes wonder where people went to argue before the internet was invented.
Gads, I forgot the military!!
"The law that created the deficit committee also created a zero-sum game: Any expensive program that escapes the budget knife does so at the expense of cuts to other programs. If the military contractors succeed in keeping the war budget intact, they’ll likely do so at the expense of Social Security and Medicare."
http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2011/09/ … ity-check/
half a dozen a one, half a dozen a de udder....which is more important to you?
Just wanted to stir things up. Push a few 'Lib" buttons.
You've got to laugh, a whole thread devoted to "why liberals are so hysterical"
populated by hysterical none liberals!
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