Amanda Knox is freed

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   IzzyMposted 13 years ago

   Amanda Knox has been freed by the court of appeal. I am tempted to think money talks. Your opinion?

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      K9keystrokesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Without a doubt Izzy.

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      Barbara Kayposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I thought she was innocent. It appears no one else here did.

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         IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Interesting. Why did you think she was innocent? There must have at least one piece of evidence, or lack of, that made you think that.

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      Karen Nposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I'm really not sure if she was innocent or not but reports are that the evidence was tainted.  If this is true I really don't see how they could convict her.

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      Paul Wingertposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      None of us were that at the first trial to make any judgement. Either way, good for her!

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         IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         And the girl that died? Good for her too?
         
         We don't need to be at a trial to make a judgement.
         
         I still don't know if she did it or not, but I strongly dislike the US arrogance of saying she didn't do it when the Italians said she did.
         
         Do you think they are a third world country?

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            Paul Wingertposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I didn't say nothing about the propaganda surrounding this case or the victim. Apparently her murder is still out there. I'm talking about Knox and Knox only. It's point obvious that the Italian court changed their mind or she'd still be in prison. This is a case of someone wrongly convicted.
            
            The way they run their court system, they might as well be a thrid world country and that goes for some areas here in the states.

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               IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               From what I could see, Amanda Knox got off on a technicality. The evidence surrounding the knife incident - DNA etc, plus the bra clasp that wasn't found till weeks later, was enough to convince the jury that the conviction was unsound.
               
               That is the way the law works in all first world countries.
               
               Doesn't make it right, because a lot of this evidence, or doubts surrounding it, were presented at the original trial, and the jury then had to take it all into consideration, plus all the other evidence of the trial.
               
               This jury only had to think about this particular part of the case. That is why it is a technicality.
               
               Well-paid lawyers aren't well-paid for nothing. They can go over evidence with a fine tooth comb, and if anything is remotely doubtful, can appeal, as happened in this case.
               
               There is always doubt in a trial without overwhelming evidence one way or the other.
               But the original trial jury were presented with every aspect of the case. You have to trust their judgement, else there is no such thing as justice at all.
               
               She got off on a technicality, That doesn't make her innocent and it doesn't bring poor Meredith Kercher back to life.
               
               It just stops another young life from being ruined.
               
               When is that book coming out?

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                  Paul Wingertposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Doesn't make her guilty either. Tainted DNA and no real physical evidence tieing them to the crime. I'm done with this topic. Next!!

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      Ginny Kingposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Why would a young woman who had arrived in a new country just  two months earlier murder another young lady.???? Wake up and smell the coffee!

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         IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Is that a rich Italian blend of coffee? Mmmmmmm!
         
         Your first statement doesn't make any sense.

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      Joe Badtoeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Not a lot of noise coming from the Death Penalty advocates on this...Irrespective of whether she's guilty or not.  Is that because she's young white and considered attractive? I suspect she won't show a fear of impending fame either. How could anyone do 4 years jailtime, accuse someone else of the murder,change her story and then walk? Police incompetence to blame?

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         IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         And now it is only the black guy doing time, and it was said at his trial he did not act alone.
         I think racism is alive and well.

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   Greek Oneposted 13 years ago

   Let Penthouse and Playboy begin the bidding war....

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      Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I'm sure Greek One you would never partake.

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         Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         i'm a happily married man... i gave up sexy psychos when I said 'I do'

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            Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Well, at least you didn't marry one. See, there's always someone worse off than yourself. :0)

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   Hollie Thomasposted 13 years ago

   I honestly don't know whether she's innocent or not. I know the legal system in Italy is different to that in the UK, but once they've decided on what is or is not admissable evidence the jurors are left with a few tidbits. I don't think we'll ever know.

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   WriteAngledposted 13 years ago

   I've never heard of Amanda Knox.

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      Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      There's been an ongoing court case in Italy. A.Knox was accused, along with her boyfriend and another man, of murdering her fellow student and housemate, in what was claimed to be a sex game which had gone wrong.

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   waynetposted 13 years ago

   she looked a bit shifty in the eyes.....oh well, if she does the same again then maybe she will rot in prison, who knows? the legal system is a load of pants anyway in most countries.....

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      Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Well, it is. But we can't make a massive judgement like this based on the look of the eyes

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         waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Of course we can....you can tell a lot from someones shifty looking eyes....it says Guilty! Guilty! and more Guilty!!!!!!

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            Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            That's like the classic ' He showed no remorse' statement. Probably the expression in the eyes and lack of remorse is more to do with the situation they have found themselves in.

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               waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Yes, it's the situation they found themselves in that gave them shifty looking eyes....the guilty eyes of a horse faced clown who just wanted to have some monkey sex that went wrong.....
               
               The eyes always give away the shifty looking nature of guilty guilty guilty!!!!!!

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                  Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Thank goodness I'm not AK and thank goodness your not a juror.

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                     waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Well, she is free to do the same again if she wishes with an invincible air to her freedom, but those who get caught up in stuff do so of their own free will and she was right in the thick of it!

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                        Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Ok, I get where you're coming from with the eyes, in normal situations that is. But I once had to give evidence in court ( no, I was not the acussed ) But I was absolutely terrified. I must have looked like a startled gazelle, or a bunny in the headlights. I sounded ridiculous when I gave evidence, made a complete fool of myself and must have had zero credibility. See where I'm going with this.

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                           waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Sure there's the whole startled "oh no" thing, but the underlying look of guilty is obvious to an experienced person with body language expertise on her whole mannerisms and the way she carried herself throughout trial and the public media of news!

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                              PaulGoodman67posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              I agree with you waynet, it's not like just one photo - there are numerous photos where she looks shifty.  I think she was guilty, but she got off on a technicallity.

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                                 Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 I'm not saying she's not guilty, but there has to more concrete evidence other than 'she looks guilty' It's clear that the evidence was not conclusive, or she wouldn't have got off. So what happened there, the police thought 'she looks guilty, let's fit her up' it's not worked. They should have put together a solid case against her. Jumping to conclusions without real evidence may have allowed a murderer to go free. Look at it that way, maybe that's why we should bring verdicts against the accused on something other than their 'eyes'

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                              Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              No, still don't agree. indignation can come across as cockiness. However, what I find really odd is that footage of her and her boyfriend kissing and him stroking her right arm in the glare of TV cameras.(As they were about to be arrested, I think?) All a bit staged me thinks, by the press also.

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                                 waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 Nah! it was staged by them! they wanted to play up to the camera.....I know, I was a 4 foot midget and was there looking at them...er lol!

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                                    Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                    And the media were more than happy to oblige. Not good news for Meredith's family though eh?

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   WriteAngledposted 13 years ago

   Ahh, I see. I don't read murder stories usually, hence my ignorance.

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      Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      It's been shown on the news, now and again. Odd really when you consider there are murder trials in this country that never make it into the national news.

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         IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Most murder trials in the UK or elsewhere don't make the news. trust me on that one, I know.
         They only make the news if someone contacts a newspaper and asks them to include it.

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            Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            And even then the newspapers can be silenced on all kinds of grounds.

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   CASE1WORKERposted 13 years ago

   rather shocked here

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   IzzyMposted 13 years ago

   Gotta agree with Waynet here, the eyes always tell the truth, and I didn't like hers!
   
   @writeangled, murder took place in Italy of a young English Leeds uni student on gap year, 4 years ago?
   
   Amanda Knox was a US roommate, and she was convicted along with her Italian boyfriend and a black guy from ?Nigeria who used to hang around.
   
   Newspapers said sex game gone wrong - Meredith, the girl who was murdered, had her throat slashed but there was evidence she had recently had sexual relations - I don't know who with - did the DNA tell us that?

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   IzzyMposted 13 years ago

   What normal person do you know does cartwheels in a police station when taken in for questioning over something as grisly as a murder?
   
   Alarm bells ringing loud and clear.

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      Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah,, but that's the point I've just raised with Waynenet, too many weird things happened.

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    2uesdayposted 13 years ago

    From today's papers -
    
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne … s-why.html
    
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/amanda-knox

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    PaulGoodman67posted 13 years ago

    What's strange is that the girl who was murdered was a student in Leeds (UK) for a time, so when I lived there, the local sympathy was with the murdered girl and was sceptical of Knox.  Now I am over here in the US, the media are much more sympathetic to Knox!

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       Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I think it has a lot more to do with media portrayal of events, rather than the events themselves. As always

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          waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          That I will agree on....the events can be shown in such a way with different countries news that may give a sympathetic eye...but her eyes were just GUILTY! .........

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             Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Waynet, you are cheeky

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                waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                I know I am...er all 4 of them...them cheeks!

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                   Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   Those cheeks. I actually was not thinking about your bum, but now you've just added a whole new dimension to this post :lol:lol:

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                      waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                      Well, I often talk out of my bum according to my wife....lol!

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                         Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                         Wives always no best. Earnest, I'm sure, will back me up on this.

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                            waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                            Somehow I don't think he's a wife lol! lolololol hahahaha lol!

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                               Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                               Cheeky

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                                  Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                  

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                                     waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                     x5

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                                        Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                        Why arn't you in the forums more. You're sane, halleluhah

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                                           waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                           I'm asleep right now Zzzzzzz!

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                                           earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                           Sane people have a limited life in the forums.
                                           Obviously I don't claim to be sane.

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                   earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   Humour in the threads again.... thank all that is good.

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                      waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                      

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    2uesdayposted 13 years ago

    It must be a nightmare for the bereaved family.

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       Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       It must be. If that was my daughter I'd want to be sure that the real murderer had been caught. Whether that's A.Knox or not. Just some justice.

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    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    It's not over yet. Under Italian law prosecution have the right to appeal the sentence.
    I have not followed the case closely, but today's news claims the DNA evidence was tainted.
    
    The Prosecution are sure to appeal.

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       Paul Wingertposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       If they do appeal, what do you think the chances of the US agreeing to extrodite her back to Italy? I got money saying zero to no chance.

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          earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I agree. From the press I have seen I'm backing zero as well. In light of the option to appeal being available to prosecution, it must have taken a bit of "leverage" to get her on a plane for the States.;

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             Paul Wingertposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             That's if the court grants the appeal. Since her boyfriends lives in Italy, he'd be screwed. But in Amanda's case, they're SOL.

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    Hollie Thomasposted 13 years ago

    You bore. Your wife gave those cheeks a slap

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    kirstenblogposted 13 years ago

    I was shocked at my own reaction this morning when I saw she had been released. I tried not to read about this story when it was all over the news, I hate that sort of media circus and don't want them selling newspapers. I think that media circuses get in the way of real justice happening, people can become motivated to arrest someone so they look good in the public light. So when I felt total relief for this woman and even started crying, I was sort of shocked to respond like that. I think for me, on the little of the story I did see while watching the news in the mornings for weather reports (working outside I pay close attention to if I am going to be rained on or not) was that they were making a pigs ear of it right from the start. I didn't really think she was going to get a fair trial and wasn't convinced she was guilty.
    
    There was another more local story here of a nurse who was charged with tampering with vials of medications at a hospital that resulted in a number of patient deaths. They were calling her the death nurse, and to me it felt the same way. Like they were rushing to charge someone. The nurse got off in the end and was reported to say she had been totally shocked to be called the death nurse, it had been unreal. I imagine that is how Amanda felt during all that happened when she was first arrested (assuming she was innocent, which we are likely to never know) and could easily explain why she acted 'oddly'. To me she acted like an innocent person who can't believe any of this is really serious. I feel for her and hope she was innocent, cause the book deals and interviews should give her a comfy life from here on out.

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    justanieposted 13 years ago

    Yeah,I feel she's innocent,maybe a set or foul play was involved in her accusation but whatever be the case someone has to lose a case and another has to win.Her luck I guess.

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    Karen Nposted 13 years ago

    I did find a quote online where Guede allegedly states that he did have help but that it wasn't Knox and her boyfriend.

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    Aficionadaposted 13 years ago

    One of the things I heard (I think) about the appeals process in Italy is this:  the appeals court or board is made up of a few judges and several private citizens, and they are allowed to request any information they would like to see or review.  I may not have accurate information about that, but it sounds like they can request information that was not presented by the lawyers.  That would sound like a good thing to me.
    
    In the US, a case can normally be appealed only when some new evidence (not available or not found at the time of the original trial) has come to light or when the lawyers can make a case that there was a flaw in the original trial, some incorrect procedure.  That places a limit on which cases can actually be moved into an appeals court.
    
    As widely covered as this case was, we were still not there to hear the evidence and arguments, either in the original trial or in the appeal.  I hate it when guilty people are allowed to go free - whether on a technicality or otherwise - but I also hate it, maybe even more, when innocent people are locked up because of poorly interpreted evidence or because they didn't act the way we think innocent people should.  I don't know which has happened in this case, but I hope for justice for all of the victims of this tragedy.  All of them.

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       Paul Wingertposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       She is now back on US soil, back in Seattle to be exact  (2 hr drive for me) and the Italian prosecuter can appeal all he wants. What he wants and what he gets are two different things. Maybe, or maybe not, the Italians will find justice for the murder victim. I do hope they do find him or her. Whether Amanda knew who did it, or not ,or had any part of it, or not, this world will never know. Only she does and that's something she'll take to the grave. The bottom line, the evidence didn't tie her to the crime and the Italian judge(s) threw out her conviction based on faulty evidence presented in the trial and that's that. End of story.

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          Aficionadaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          
          My reference to the appeals process was an explanation of the appeal that has already taken place and that overturned her conviction.  It was intended to underscore the fact that those of us commenting here in this thread do not have all of the information that the appeals court (or board or whatever) was able to access and evaluate, as I wrote here:  "As widely covered as this case was, we were still not there to hear the evidence and arguments, either in the original trial or in the appeal."  And it was a reminder to us that all we are doing now is speculating, based only on what has been reported in the media or on our own assumptions.

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    AngelTraderposted 13 years ago

    What I find disturbing is the prospect of Knox making millions out of Meredith Kercher's murder. While she has been released by the Italian courts many people still believe she was involved so for her sake I hope she meets the Kercher family and offers to share the proceeds from her deals with them or donate to charity.
    
    The brutal death of this young woman, stabbed 47 times no less, seems to have been forgotten in the media circus surrounding Knox. It is distasteful in the extreme and illustrates the banality of the main stream media today. Rather than venerating her as a victim the press should be pushing the Italian authorities into finding the others involved.
    
    Just spare a thought for the Kercher family who have no closure and are "back to square one".

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