Are people really born straight or gay?
Do you believe that people are born gay or straight or does society have something to do with it?
It actually does not matter what people believe, because science has already proven that people are born gay or straight. Does this mean that every person claiming to be gay (or straight for that matter) is biologically gay (or straight)? Probably not. There are always people who choose to be or do things that are out of the ordinary in order to receive attention or to be unique. However, that does not change the fact that scientifically speaking, people are born gay and people are born straight. It happens in the womb. The study of epigenetics has indicated that not only does it happen in the womb, but it also runs in families.
Where can I read some of this science? Thanks.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/postevery … -straight/
The evidence is clear. Science is true even when you do not "believe" in its findings.
SO! I was born black but 1 must overcome society's labels which displays "maturity!" If we all succumb to "feelings," the world would be worst, i.e., hate, murder, stealing, o/s relationships n marriage, etc. Animals=no intelligence, We="control"
I have no idea if they're born straight or gay. I'm not an expert at this topic. But, I think that people just need to stop the hate for people that are gay. They're people too and should be treated as such. I've met many men that are gay (I'm a male, just to clear that up, and I'm straight) and they have nothing but the nicest personality I've seen. They're one of the most nonjudgmental people I've seen. This hate for them is no different with some people who hate blacks. They're people too! Equality for everyone! Stop the hate & focus on being fortunate we live in the land of the free & are able to express ourselves freely.
You are born with the sexual orientation you will have - be that straight, gay, bisexual, pansexual or asexual.
Whilst as a child, you don't know what sex, sexual orientation, or sexual identity is, you know what attracts you to something, someone or an activity. Many people describe feeling as though they were different to their same sex peers as young children, before coming to the conclusion that they were gay when they understood what it meant, and how it suddenly explained what they felt about themselves.
I personally have never been attracted to men (am female). By the "nuture" reasoning - i should be straight than an arrow - I have 7 siblings all of whom are straight, straight parents, most of my friends are straight (and those who aren't - I've met in the last 15yrs - I knew I was gay before then!), no close association with homosexuals as a child. I'm gayer than the average rainbow!
I never chose to be attracted to women, never understood the big deal about boyfriends at school, knew I was different when I didn't care about the boys - saw them more as friends than anything, and when I finally understood what homosexuality was - it was like a light had gone on - something that finally explained me to me.
Those who say it's a choice are usually those who cannot answer a simple question - WHEN did you choose to be straight? I cant understand why homosexuality HAS to be a choice (to these people), but their heterosexuality isn't (to them). The other thing they need to consider is that in order for them to have made the 'choice' to be straight, they obviously had to have seriously considered being 'gay' - most haven't, and wouldn't contemplate it - why??? Because they cannot make themselves attracted to the same sex. Just like us homosexuals cannot make ourselves be attracted to the opposite sex.
It never ceases to amaze (and annoy) me that people think that they are the authority on what makes gay people gay, when they aren't gay themselves. It would be like me saying I'm the authority on straight people...but I'm not straight.
I think some people have NO idea what being sexually attracted to anyone is; they have no sense of the experience. If they did, then they would not think we choose to be gay.
To bad science doesn't back up anything you said. Studies have confirmed that sexual orientation is not fixed in all individuals, but can change over time. A 5yr study lesbians found 1/4 of these women relinquished their lesbian/bisexual identities.
Tsadjatko - provide a link to the study you mention, please.
TSAD: Whether "science" doesn't "back up," Scripture does! Matt 19:12 says "..some r born eunuchs..." If some "born eunuchs," some born otherwise but how 1 overcomes is key! I Cor 9:27 "keep body under subjection"="control" as n marriage!
We have heard of at least one study which concludes according to Dr Michael Bailey, of Northwestern University, Illinois, who col-led it, “Sexual orientation has nothing to do with choice. Our findings suggest there may be genes at play – we found evidence for two sets that affect whether a man is gay or straight...But it is not completely determinative; there are certainly other environmental factors involved.”
Reading his statement is baffling to a logical mind and I wonder how anyone can trust a study conducted by this man who reveals by his own statement how set he is on getting the preconceived conclusion which he states foremost "Sexual orientation has nothing to do with choice." and then after making a statement which is absolute he backs it up with study results that are "iffy", "Our findings suggest there 'may be' genes at play". "May be"? He then goes on to say genes are not completely determinative. NOT COMPLETELY DETERMINATIVE must mean choice can have something to do with this. Additionally nothing in his study deals with the function of choice in relation to homosexuality, so he actually concluded something from his study that wasn't even studied in the study!!!.
Yet, some gay advocates will run with this and insist that homosexuality is solely determined by genes and they have no choice about this life style.
The problem with that reasoning, even if it were true, is that it can be applied to many genetic traits. Take for example alcoholism. Who would disagree that addicts or alcoholics don't choose to be such?
Is that any different than being genetically predisposed to homosexuality? Yet who would tell an addict or alcoholic, "Hey man do it 'till your heart's content, you have no choice"? Do they have a genetic predisposition to these sinful behaviors, or don't they?
God who calls homosexuality an abomination (Lev 18: 22) and says those who waste their lives on alcohol and drugs will not enter the coming kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:10) doesn't specify whether you were born this way or that, so it seems that doesn't even matter to God. Life is short compared to eternity in the kingdom of God. In the final analysis, whether YOU believe what God says is sin is rooted in genes or your choice it doesn't change the fact that it is sin and God commands us not to sin.
The best explanation I have found covering every aspect of this debate can be found here. http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/ … ality.html
The words " not completely determinate" do not mean choice. The fact is the hormones and PRE-natal environments are also factors. Hormones and pre-natal environments are not genetic determinants, but are biological determinants.
What I meant is if they are "not completely determinate" then you can not rule out choice (along with other things) - the study did not investigate choice in anyway whatsoever so no conclusion can made about choice and Dr Michael Bailey is a loon.
I don't believe that people are born Gay at all , because I've seen so many people switch sides just because they get tired of men/women or whatever. Plus I also think it gives people an out to say that there Gay because some study somewhere says there born that way , sorry to say ,but there is nothing normal or good about being Gay and it's not love they feel as the body is not designed to do what Gay people do to it . So bottom line I believe that it's more of a selfish pleasure thing , because for men and women it's a have your cake and eat it to , no worries of a man plus for men there is no worries of a women , so no babies unless you adopt then it's ok to tell the children that it's normal to have two dad's or two moms even though it took a man and women to make everyone . Here is a fine example of a women that's lesbian , but pretty obvious she likes this man http://youtu.be/IM_sG5v0xRg
Go to "Sexual preference or orientation?" on www.godandscience.org/evolution/genetic … ality.html and read the studies done confirming sexual orientation is not fixed in all individuals, but can change over time, especially in women.
In a biblical stand point homosexuality is a demonic manipulation of the soul and mind. Usually, if you see a homosexual at a young age and then look at his or her family line, there you will find another homosexual. Demons pass down lines of generations unless dealt with by the homosexual submitting his or her life to Jesus and confessing and forsaking the past sinful lifestyle. Now for me I do not care how the world lives or views things, but if you are a Christian and believe homosexuality to be ok, then please take a moment to pray and to study deeper into what God's word says. thanks and God bless.
What century is this?
Just out of some strange and impulsive curiosity: Where exactly in your Bible does it define homosexuality as demon possession passed down through generations---apparently from parent to child?
Sin is derived from the influence of demons and the flesh and demons can be passed down through the generations. (Numbers 14:18) (1 Corinthians 6:9)
With all due respect:
Believing that babies are born with gay "demons" passed on to them by their parents (and through multiple generations) is most alarming and something that no sapient person living in the 21st century can accept.
I respect your opinion, but aren't we suppose to accept everyone's beliefs and opinions in the 21 century? Just like homosexuals and athiest? That's what I hear all the time, but when it comes to Christian beliefs, we are cast down.
We should legitimize beliefs that are rational---not those that are irrational and belong in the 11th century. To suggest that a baby (if gay) is born physically possessed by demons because a book tells you so is, quite frankly, irrational.
So basically if we do not conform to what you believe then we should be cast out? merciful indeed. but then its ok to be muslim, atheist, Mormon, or even believe that everything happened all by chance which doesn't even add up mathematically. logical
Since when are Mormons not Christians? Since when are Muslims not believers in God and Creationism.
Your position that babies are born possessed by demons because YOU and YOUR sect do not like homosexuality is, to be very honest, shameful.
Hard to discuss anything with an uniformed person who believes Mormons and Muslims have anything in common with Christianity.
Not shameful, but what we believe, just as atheist hate Christians yet they are not counted hateful. Mormons are not Christians, Muslims went away from the one true God. The problem is this country and world is full of too much hate and intolerance.
Mormons are most certainly Christians. And Muslims pray to the same god that you do no matter what name he is called.
Answer my question about demon-possessed babies. How would you cure or "treat" them to repel these demons?
No their not, but by an exorcism and/or praying for them and also for them to submit their life to Jesus and confess the sin and forsake the sin.
So you would perform an exorcism on an infant and demand that he or she profess belief in your Jesus?
What about its parents? Exorcise them too? And grandparents?
And what if your exorcisms fail? What abuses would suffice to achieve a "cure"?
Exorcisms are only if the individual wants to, it can never be forced. You can't tell if an infant is gay until much later when the consciousness is grown to a higher state. It's all up to the person and if they want to be healed. Praying is the alt.
I really don't think people are born gay. People are just born male or female. A man is a man and a woman is a woman; they decide how they want to live their lives. The mere fact that a girl acts masculine does not make her gay same goes for guys. In fact, I know a lot of guys who are flamboyant and behave in an effeminate manner who are happy heterosexuals, never desiring the affection of men... never ever.
Not all gay women are butch, nor are all gay men flamboyant. Those are actions, not sexual orientation. I don't mind if you think it's a choice, but I'm confused as to what you think homosexuality actually is
Are people born heterosexual OR is that a choice too?
I strongly doubt that most heterosexuals ever think about their sexual orientation because heterosexuality is wrongly understood as "normal" and is perceived to be the way it SHOULD be.
Given the large proportion of homosexuals who were sexually molested, I'd say a large number were socialized to it.
46% percent of the homosexual men contrasted to 7% of heterosexual men reported homosexual molestation. 22% percent of lesbian women versus 1% of heterosexual women reported homosexual molestation.
Are people born astronauts? No. And even if someone is born brunette, something in their environment influences them to want to be blonde so they change their haircolor. Genes are expressions and environment is a big influencer. I was not born with Rheumatoid Arthritis even though it is genetic and I got it at age 34.
Some people are born certain ways in which the environment can bring out expressions of genes or not.
I'm not sure society has as much to do with it as parental upbringing or peers and young childhood influences. Hate to say it but every gay person I know (have known many and some in the family too) have been sexually molested or abused in some way. This commonality should not go unnoted. I think as a society, we won't ever know because certain things won't be studied due to not being politically correct.
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