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   OpinionDuckposted 12 years ago

   If Gays, Lesbians, Transgenders and Bisexuals are Not Heterosexuals then which public rest room should they use?
   
   
   The real reason for segregating public restrooms is to keep sexual attraction down, especially in an area where privacy is required.
   
   These male and female public restrooms were based on a normal Adam and Eve understanding of humans, and the reasons for having to genders.
   
   So now the Lesbians, Gays, Transgenders and Bisexuals want to be treated the same as heterosexuals. The problem with that is there is no place for them in a society that was constructed without their inclusion.
   
   So even if we wanted to melt them into that society it wouldn't make any sense to do it.
   
   FOR MEN
   
   a heterosexual male that wants to use a public restroom that has both a male and a female separate facility would go through door that reas men. Remember that this separation of male and female didn't consider LGBT.
   
   1. The mens sign would prevent women from using the men's facility.
   
   2. A lesbian would also be prevented from using it.
   
   3. What to do with a transgender, or androgynous person? It should be decided on the opposite of the sexual orientation.
   
   4.What to do about Bisexuals? I guess they shouldn't be able to use either one, or I guess you could base it on what sex they are attracted to today?
   
   5. What to do about Transvestites? Dress alone is not indicative of which restroom they should be able to use.
   
   FOR WOMEN
   a heterosexual female that wants to use a public restroom that has both a male and a female separate facility would go through door that reas men. Remember that this separation of male and female didn't consider LGBT.
   
   
   
   1. The womens sign would prevent men from using the women's facility.
   
   2. A gay would also be prevented from using it.
   What to do with a transgender, or androgynous person? It should be decided on the opposite of the sexual orientation.
   
   3. What to do about Bisexuals? I guess they shouldn't be able to use either one, or I guess you could base it on what sex they are attracted to today?
   
   4. What to do about Transvestites? Dress alone is not indicative of which restroom they should be able to use.
   
   The point of all this is to show the problems of trying to assimilate the LGBT into a heterosexual built society.
   
   We would have to do away with any separation of men and women in the public restroom facilities as a start.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I'm....not so sure I agree that the reason for segregated restrooms is to keep sexual attraction down!
      I personally am not attracted at all to seeing a man use the restroom!  And I think it's nasty that any man would be attracted to a woman while she's using the restroom.  Or whatever mixture of gender-love people exhibit...
      
      It's just common decency, manners, and the right to privacy.  Plus, yeah, I guess to separate those whose minds ARE perverted enough to think about sex while using the restroom.....

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         OpinionDuckposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         You don't have the testosterone, it is really the men being kept from the women.

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      Trealmonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I always believed that society was based on the prosperity of the gender male, not the Adam and Eve concept. Because i hardly see this "Adam and Eve" concept practiced in the work force. But my main problem with this is the fact that it is pointless to promote even more segregation in the world. I thought the signs just meant for males only and the other for female only. And I agree with some of the points made by Brenda. I'm pretty sure that many women do not have a problem using the restroom knowing there is a lesbian in there as well. And I, personally, don't have a problem using the restroom with a homosexual male in the restroom area. I just go into the bathroom, do my business and leave. I hardly pay attention to anyone in the bathroom while I'm in there, meaning I don't notice the people in there. I wouldn't waste time to try and figure out another males sexual preference at all. I just find that foolish. Just saying.

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   Greek Oneposted 12 years ago

   The only solution is for them to hold it in.

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      livelongerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      !

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   kerrygposted 12 years ago

   I don't think the point is to minimize sexual attraction, I think it's because men and women need different types of facilities and two rooms allows them to design the space more efficiently.
   
   A lot of colleges have a mix of coed and single sex bathrooms now (or even all coed) and I haven't heard of any serious problems with it. I was uncomfortable with the idea at first, being a fairly shy and modest person, but even though my floor was single sex we'd get boys who were visiting female friends or girlfriends in the bathrooms pretty often and everybody got used to it within a month or two.

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      Toby Hansenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Hi Kerry.
      
      I have only have one type of facility at home that both male and female guests have to use. They can either lift the seat, or lower the seat.
      
      As a pre-op male to female transsexual, when I am out in public I use the access toilets. Simple as that.

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      OpinionDuckposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I don't see it that way.

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         Toby Hansenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Well, I can hardly walk into the men's room with breasts, or the ladies with a wang, can I?

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            OpinionDuckposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            They may already be there, be vigilant

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         kerrygposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Obviously you disagree, but you haven't offered any basis for your claim that it's to minimize sexual attraction either. As someone who used unisex bathrooms throughout my college years, I am telling you that within a month or two, people didn't even bat an eye over sharing a bathroom with a member of the opposite sex. During my freshman year, there were a couple out lesbians living on my single sex floor too, and nobody bat an eye over sharing the bathroom with them either.
         
         Maybe you think men and homosexuals are raving lust machines who will be unable to control themselves in public restrooms, but my personal experience has been the opposite.

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            Bill Manningposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I agree. I've gone to gay clubs with friends who go there just for the music. I used the bathrooms there and nobody bothered me. Both men and women used all the bathrooms, they did not care.

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      OpinionDuckposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      We are talking about public restrooms, the big kind more than one person at a time.

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         Toby Hansenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Well, so was I. Do you not have access toilets in public facilities in The States?

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            OpinionDuckposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I don't know what that means

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               Toby Hansenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               You may call them disabled or handicap toilets/bathrooms.

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                  OpinionDuckposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Thank You for your explanation.
                  
                  Yes, there are some places with separate single person bathroom that are either for male or femal, or in some cases unisex.
                  
                  These are not in issue because it is just a single person occupancy at a time. The issue here is a multi person bathroom that is either male or female.
                  
                  It is illegal for men to use these female facilities, and for women to use the male facilities. The reason is not that women are cleaner than men, as I have heard from many women that women can be not tidy.
                  
                  With urinals there is no problem of missing the toilet, well maybe some men may, but that would be a problem if there is no partial partition between urinals.
                  
                  The reason for separation is gender and sexual attraction. The same reason prevents women from going topless in public while men can.
                  
                  The point that I am making is that these separations were built by a heteroxexual society, and they are not readily adapted to include LGBT.
                  
                  It is also the same reason why there are separate jail and prison facilities for male and female.
                  
                  Other countries have made changes in the area of public sexuality, the United States has not been as adaptive.
                  
                  I laid my subject out as a series of questions to be taken as serious question on this subject. It is obvious that I have made my own conclusions of the subject. They are based on the groups that I represented and not on individual within the groups. I take individual on an indivdual basis, but I look at groups on how they address their goals.
                  
                  I don't like the ACLU because of what they represent, but it doesn't mean that I dislike everyone in that group.
                  
                  I have known a lot of LGBT in the course of years, and even some in the distant family, and as individual they are OK, many of them don't care to be part of the militant actions of the powerful political group.
                  
                  Anyway, it is the creation by society that makes this subject an issue.
                  
                  Thanks

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                     Pandoras Boxposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Except for that it's not really much of an issue for anyone but you.

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   Brenda Durhamposted 12 years ago

   And honestly, I don't recall this issue ever being a problem before!   People are either male or female, and should dress accordingly, save for those who were born with both gender parts, etc., which should be a PRIVATE matter anyway if they behave properly, so........this is just one more distraction/confusion that shouldn't even have to be taken into consideration.

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      OpinionDuckposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I didn't start the distraction.

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   Ron Montgomeryposted 12 years ago

   Unless you are Chuck Berry, the sexual attraction point is utter nonsense.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I dare not ask what Chuck Berry has to do with this....

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         livelongerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         He had a song called "My Ding a Ling"
         
         I'm guessing that's what Ron was referring to.

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            Ron Montgomeryposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            He was sued for installing video cameras in restrooms at two restaurants he owned.

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               Brenda Durhamposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Wow.  What a pervert!  I'll never find a thrill listening to him sing again....
               And I didn't even know he's the one who had the dingaling song..

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                  Ron Montgomeryposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  He's a Southern Christian ya know...

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                     Brenda Durhamposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Indeed?
                     I don't think so Tim! ha
                     Maybe he claims to be, but that ain't the same thing.
                     
                     Or maybe he's repented by now.  In which case, good, and I further refrain from making a snap judgement.  I'll call him a former pervert unless I know he's still behaving that way.

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                        Ron Montgomeryposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        He's also heterosexual...man, I'm just blowing your mind!

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                           Brenda Durhamposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           It's common knowledge that heterosexuals can be perverts too.  I've never said otherwise!

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               livelongerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Wow...gross. "Berry claimed that he had the camera installed to catch red-handed a worker who was suspected of stealing from the restaurant." OK, that made me laugh. Her register drawer was stored in a bathroom stall?

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                  Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Never had a sex problem or sexual advancement going to any restroom around the world.
                  
                  Seems like a paranoia problem

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         OpinionDuckposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Really

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      OpinionDuckposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Really, if that is the case then we only need one room for both sexes.

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         Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Been in a few co-ed restrooms in Asia, surprised, but no problem...
         
         Maybe most ladies here prefer not to.

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            OpinionDuckposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            this is not a reference issue

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            OpinionDuckposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            this is not a reference issue

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            OpinionDuckposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            this is not a reference issue

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            OpinionDuckposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            this is not a reference issue

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   truth.be.told14posted 12 years ago

   Should it really matter i think whoever or whatever you are it should not matter. i mean their is a lot of bully because of this topic and i don't get it people are people and it should matter who you are..i mean come on grow up i'm speaking the truth..

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   IzzyMposted 12 years ago

   Well before this debate gets out of hand discussing the various sexualities involved, I'm pretty sure men and woman have separate public toilets for hygiene reasons.
   Men piss not only in the toilet bowl but also on the seat (if its down) and on the floor.
   No doubt women at some point in history objected to having to use the same facilities.
   Mens toilets (and I used to run a bar so know this is true)smell.
   I used to clean them and all would be well until men used them again. Dirty unhygienic creatures that they are would come back out and offer me a tip or offer to buy me a drink. (I'm barmaid too)
   Nothing to do with sexuality but anyone with a sense of hygiene would use the ladies. Oh and the soap for hand-washing never got touched in the male bog.

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   AEvansposted 12 years ago

   Personally it does not bother me if the bathrooms were Asexual and I would not care which sexual preference they were just so long as they put the toilet seat down if they are a man.

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   Bill Manningposted 12 years ago

   There are countries where unisex bathrooms are the norm. Also, all the transgenders have already been around from day one, so they are already "assimilated" in society.
   
   Sounds like a non-issue to me.

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    frogdroppingposted 12 years ago

    I don't see the issue. A gay man is still a man. Same with a gay woman. Transgender women are women etc. Use the bathroom according to gender. I'm sure we've all shared bathrooms with gay folks and transgender's. In fact I know I have - when I've visited Leeds or Manchester on a weekend. It's no biggie ...

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       Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Some places have a great lack of restrooms, when I'm ready to exploded. I don't care what gender the restroom is.

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    Ron Montgomeryposted 12 years ago

    If I have to pee in the woods, should I look for a male tree?

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       Toby Hansenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       

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          Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Try downtown, they force me to buy a coffee or somthing first, just to stand in line again.

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       OpinionDuckposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       I guess you weren't potty trained, including your mouth.

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          Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          How long can you hold everything inside, without saying or doing something about it?
          
          Yeh, I got a big mouth, the odd time I can be, awkward like duck.

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             OpinionDuckposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             These were serious questions and you added nothing to the forum.
             Maybe HP should have a special forum for hecklers.

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       Trealmonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       !

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    Toby Hansenposted 12 years ago

    The first time that men and women were offered separate toilets/bathrooms was 1739 in Paris, France.
    
    Just some more pointless trivia for this pointless post.

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       OpinionDuckposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks, I am glad that I took the time to details my position on this subject so that you could make this reply.
       
       You wasted my time, your reply was pointless, because on its own it is an irrelevant comment. It has no meaning.
       
       My initial reaction on it was OK what about it.
       
       Don't bother to answer, you have demostrated that you have nothing to offer this forum, start your own.
       
       Don't let the forum door hit you on the way out.

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          Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          If Gays, Lesbians, Transgenders and Bisexuals are Not Heterosexuals Then which public rest room should they use
          
          Most people here have given you their replies with mainly accepting of the restroom system as it is. Gay marriage will keep on the raise, and even though I think it greedy, bisexual will raise also.
          
          You won't be able to proof all these people are handicap and economical there is not enough restroom now, to go around.
          
          It's a dead zone issue

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