Is it just for God to be "kind to the evil and unthankful," in their present lif

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   SwordofManticorEposted 11 years ago

   Is it just for God to be "kind to the evil and unthankful," in their present life? (Luke 6:35)
   
   

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   cam8510posted 11 years ago

   Jesus covered this very well in Luke 6:27-31 where He said, "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. 30 Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31 Do to others as you would have them do to you."  God certainly sends rain on the just and the unjust and it is our choice to follow His example and do good to those who treat us badly. 
   
   This is a tough one, because it flies in the face of human nature.  Retaliation, revenge, evening the score are natural, knee jerk reactions that most of us must deal with regularly.

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      SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      It goes even deeper than that. We are to do all these things that you wrote unconditionaly, but can Jesus do this to His enemies when He judges them?

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      cam8510posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Ah, now you open up new territory.   But this is a good question.   In the end, God is not merciful, nor gracious, nor forgiving, He doesn't bless nor do good to his enemies.  The Lake of Fire awaits His enemies if one agrees with that eschatology.

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      SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Actually, I believe that the prophecies in Rev were already fulfilled AD70.And I believe that the LoF tests (Basanos) the works, not eternally torture the person in it.

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      cam8510posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, I've read some of your beliefs before and they are very interesting.  They are much more consistent than eternal suffering which is a punishment far exceeding the wrong done.  I believe the LOF was borrowed completely from the Egyptian Am-Tuat.

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      SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Did you know that in Rev 20:10 the verb to basanos can be found. A basanos is a touchstone that tests the quality of metals (works), And I believe that Paul spoke about this in 1Cor3:10-15. I believe that they are the same fire. So what is this fire?

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      cam8510posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting, Rev20:10 has two words for throw.  One for the devil and a different one for false proph and beast.  The one you mentioned is for the false pr and beast.  Maybe synonyms, maybe more.  I'll look at your comparison of 1cor & Rev.

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      calynbanaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Do you know when revelations was written?

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      cam8510posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      calynbana, Revelation was written in the last decade of the first century.

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      SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Rev was written in the early part of AD60

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       calynbanaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks Cam I was hoping you would answer that. That is incorrect SoM. Revelations was not a prediction of the events that unfolded in 70AD. Revelations was written after 70AD. Nothing in Revelations supports your position,

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       SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       It is that "Im right and your wrong" attitude that will get you no where caly. the answer to when it was written is found in the book of revelations itself. Who is the harlot? The temple still standing Rev 11, The 7 churches of minor asia?

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   Ericdierkerposted 11 years ago

   Let us not mistake our judgment for The judgment. Recognizing the evil and the unthankful is good smart discernment. Treating people with kindness is sort of backward thinking. We are to be kind in all we do. Therefor who we are kind to is of no concern to us. We are not to be kind to, we are to develop a nature of kindness.

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      cam8510posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Excellent

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   Rayne123posted 11 years ago

   Well that is a good question. So many different ways to look at this. So many different statements Jesus as said in the bible.
   
   Jesus never wants to punish but to have his children repent. However he does say that even for one sin you will not be unpunished.
   
   When God does punish he does not have to justify. God is never change nor wrong. He sees and knows all. I believe Jesus says this scripture out of love as this is the way he created us.
   
   When we get angry with someone or upset or argue or full of hate, (which someone stated is normal for us humans) we sometimes regret it later or need to apologize, however Jesus/God does not, he does not get upset then say oops I should of not said that. God is the highest of High and needs no explanation to his doings.
   
   God also says....revenge is mine I will repay....Romans 12:19
   Jesus also says.........all authority has been given to me on heaven and earth. Matthew 28:18
   
   God only allows evil to go as far as God wants it too. I think most people do not even realize that what has become of them is Gods doing. God sets up for the fall sort of speak. He sees all and I believe that in Gods great power he may set up a criminal for example to do as much as God allows only to fit the pattern to allow him to get caught.
   
   He doesnt tempt us any further than we can handle, however so many of us do not realize that God can control any aspect of our lives and any gift/power we have is given from the almighty.

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   TerryK81posted 11 years ago

   It is the goodness of God that leads to repentance (Romans 2:4) in a persons life, regardless of HOW evil they may have been. God's glory is His goodness. He desires all to repent (2 Peter 3:9 and Ezekiel 18:28-32 and Ezekiel 36:26-30). Why would anyone want to love a God who is mean, who didn't even follow His own commandments? Nobody. God shows how fair He is. God can be just and merciful at once because He will allow events to occur in your own life to "open your eyes" and at the same time He is merciful in that He doesn't allow them to ruin you.

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