I have seen the term used among people on religious forums. I wonder if there is a unified understanding of the term.
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Thank you CH!
That is a very nice explanation. It brings to mind that one must get the message before one can live it. (absent the extraordinary)
Why's Acts 20:24 in WORD? Why does John 1:14 says JESUS is "..full of GRACE & truth?"
Don't u rem Jer 31:35;Heb10:17; "I will rem their sins no more?" GRACE came w/New Covenant which is the Gospel of Christ!
Eph 2:8-9! "For by GRACE r us SAVED.
I love this answer CH ! So very true . The good News is that our Heavenly Father has been giving a message of solutions to all the problems of the world.
Reference Bible Isa 61:2 2 " to proclaim the year of goodwill on the part of Jehovah "
CH said "...the content of the msg: that eternal life is accessible to those who believe in Christ through faith." Confirms Eph 2:8:9 says "...by GRACE r ye saved through FAITH..."
ian 12 am , I am happy you agree also. You have expressed this subject in your words very good. I like your statement. it is a hope in a world full of trials and temptations and eternal life.
We birthed in the world now we can continue life .
Yes It is the WORD of GOD which is the "Gospel of Christ" AFTER THE CROSS!
The NC is ALL SPIRITUAL or Eph 2:8-9 would be A LIE!
GN has nothing to do with our earthly life but our Faith in WORD for manifestation of changes into HIS image!
This is a very nice answer.
Thank you Alianess! Yet, more and more people are rejecting Him. They do not want His gift. We must continue to share the Good News and pray that others do not reject His offer of eternal life.
Wonderfully said! and very true.
It all boils down to GRACE!
READ Jer 31:35; Heb 8:12; 10:17! "And their sins & iniquities will I remember no more!"
Ain't that GOOD NEWS? Eph 2:8-9 We are now "Saved by FAITH thru GRACE..."
Come under the NEW COVENANT w/me guys!
Thank you Examiner! I like your analogy.
You are welcome. :-) It is out there, we just have to listen for it.
I thought author referred to "religious forums?"
Not to say I'm not happy for the little girl but you can't mix oil & water!
Yes Examiner wonderful explaining How the Heavenly Father deals with us all in the state of sin .he went about to fix our problems with his son so that we may live The good news is really the expression of love given us from Jehovah through Jesus
Parables, metaphors, rhetorical questions and other literary devices are used throughout the Bible.
JESUS made lame walk not provide with doll! I like company "giving" though!
Yet still too "carnal!"
Diane did u study baptism?
Amen! You are bursting at the seams with the Good news!
That is really upbeat and positive. Thanks
K&T, I didn't know that you are JW.
Thanks Diane that is my belief that is my faith. I truly believe others must come to that decision for them selfs like I did. So I will speak truth as Jesus did by examples and parables of lifes situations he truly is the great teacher!
Yes, if you go to Jw.org you will note part of their intro states (in part) "and we are PROUD to be called christians." Gee, isn't pride a sin? Hummmmm.
Vainglory is a sin. Regular old pride in taking care of yourself is not. I am proud of my God is not sinful.
Well KC dont you think people are adults here who can decide that for them self. Not proud of Jesus and Jehovah where does that say you sin!
Show the verse. It is a sin to cause hatred and contintions, also to lie.
But to help people be happy !
Let's make this VERY VERY clear I do not hate you. I hate false teaching. And you will notice I did NOT direct my above comment to you. It's directed towards Jw.org who provide false teaching.
KC over 8 million people global disagree thatJw has false information
you are untitled to your own opinion so others also are they will learn for themselfs It is not good to say people can not make their own choices and find out. I am part of Jworg
Well then there are 8 million people world wide who don't understand the word of God and the Kingdom of God. I would suggest to those 8 million people world wide to read the bible for themselve and not swallow the JW garbage.
KC people follow their own suggestions I am sure they studied and tried to find a reason not to believe what they were learning there was nothing found. Many people do follow opinions of others and not Jesus authority. Sad they will miss out .
I wanted KC and K&T to discuss points. Now I've got to post a new question! Thanks guys!
You know full well that JW get their doctrine from the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society which is not mentioned in Jw.org. And THEY decide what JW will and will not believe. And The Watch Tower and Tract Society are in business to make money.
So the JWorg site does not give footnotes or bibliography references?
I got this problem with JW. They are out on the corner and they come by my house. They seem a bit strange. But they are always really nice. They appear loving and caring about me. They do not force things on me. I like them. Is that bad?
Again KC you are misinformed I tell anyone if you want to know about Jworg it is free no charge .down load all materials free even the current watch tower awakes. No money asked for this .wrong KC. If down loaded free where is the profit.
There you go again. I didn't said JW sell anything. But it's members get milked for money that ends up going to the Watch Tower Bible and Tract. Society.
KC I am a member I should know no one has milked me of anything.
go to the our websiste you will see all things are volunteered even helping in natral disasters.We give of our selfs out of love and concern for our neighbors and families worldwide
I have been to jworg before but forgot. I don't understand how they can consider themselves Christians because Christians are followers of Christ. This is not meant to be hostile but they clearly believe Jesus is not God.
Diane consider Exodus 33:20 Says it very clear no man can see Gods face and live.
But thousands have seen Jesus face.
Math14:21 John 18:37 Pilate talks to Jesus Many follow him
Math 16:16. they are seeing his face and living. Not the Heavenly Father
K&T, there are multiple Scriptures taken together to explain that a) He was fully God and fully man, b) Col 2:9 all the fullness of deity is in him, c) Phil 2:7 kenosis He emptied Himself of His deity to take form of man not enough room to full
Diane Col, 1:15-17 says he is first born of every creature.
God the Father was never born as a first who would be second third?
Jeremiah 10:10 says he is everlasting.
Habak 1:12 says God does not die he is a eternal King.
Jesus exper death.
K&T, The Father continued His deity. Jesus set aside His deity to become human as He was seen. After He was crucified and ascended - He's in heaven on His throne. The only reason the Son came to earth was to fulfill the sacrifice for sin. Req
True Diane Jesus became flesh but he died Remember God is eternal he can not die. John 5:30 , notice his will is different from the Fathers, two different personalities.
They are not the same .
K&T, his death was major in the chain of Good News. They rolled a stone before His toomb and posted a guard so no one would steal the body and say, "He left." His resurrection was miraculous and proved we can live after death. He had to die sa
K&T- Give me one confirmed (by an outside source) example of JW provide charity, of money help, or medical assistance to a NON-JW due to a natral disasters. JW WILL NOT HELP NON-JW with charity, you know it and I know it.
KC I am Jw you are not but a critic looking for some kind of fault. You claim no hate but you lie. What ever your problem is may Jehovah deal with you about it.
Again you are in error of your infomation.
There you go again K&T twisting what I said. YES I HATE.. Thing like JW FALSE DOCTRINE, but not people. What part of that do you NOT UNDERSTAND. And tell me about JW charity work before you try to change the subject again.
KC can you read the infomation on the website that clearly tell you what we do , who we are , where our contributions go , its open to the public
Some one anyone can read it now and answer your question. But you are not looking for it .
I didn't understand KC then saw this in order to receive any type of assistance from Jehovah’s Witnesses, you need to be at least studying the bible with them and making changes in your life that seem to indicate that you will soon become a Witness
Yes K&T I have read the information they provide on JW.org. But I also found information about the JW that they try to hid from the public and do not reveal in JW.org. How they discourage it's members from donating to outside charities.
Thats not true Diane katrina was assisted,.911 also these effected all humans. KC sems to have some persnal ill feelings about JW the way a bad marriage between two people.he is never telling you what is the real issue most of the time its moral.
K&T - O.K. let me ask you this. If a known ex-JW, who has been disfellowshiped from the JW, and is in true need of charity would the JW help that person? and don't lie, just answer the question.
KC I do not lie or have to.
But see you just revealed something in your question .disfellowship. The only time that happens is some type of moral act has been violated that would cause a bad reproach on Jehovah's name.
K&T- So, with that your answer would be that a disfellowshiped person is subhuman and is not worthy of needed charity from JW. Yep, you're so PROUD to be called a christian.
RC which violations of morals brought reproach on Jehovah's name why are you avoiding this impotant information.
People disfellowship themselfs they created their own choice to bring shame and reproach on his name Jehovah.
You are holding out in
K&T- You NEVER directly answer a question you eighter avoid answering directly or you change the subject. or twist the issue to point it back to the person who asked the question. You have yet to answer my comments directly.
KC your question is after the facts of why this happen. It is trickery.
If I say some shot somebody .poor person who got shot. But leave info out he was a robber at a bank .that is why. You will not admit why this person was disfellowship.
Do JWs believe that God forgives sin? 1 John 1:9
I'm not being sarcastic. I'm learning - never thought of this.
K&T- You got to be kidding me. Trickery? Just how far will you stoop to avoid answering a simple question that only require a simple yes or no. That's JW for you. Go back and read the question again and read the part where it states; "IF"
This is a very interesting thread. "disfellowship"? The casting out of the evil ones? But there seems to be little in the way of conviction to this practice. I feel confident that some groups would cast me out. I don't think Jesus would.
No I will not answer to your trickery and cunning you sit there and try to bad mouth JW but withhold the truth.
You are the problem not JW.Even a court of law had to have all the facts you refuse to give. And from what you refuse it must be shameful
I sure would like to discuss specifics for understanding. Why would JWs want to be called Christians if they don't believe Jesus Christ is God. Where is the Hope?
Diane Jesus is our King anointed by Jehovah our Heavenly Father.
He is Not God or equal to his Father
As written Jer 10:10 says he is eternal he does not die.
Jesus died .he could not be the Father.
We love Jesus .he is our King
K&T, I really want to understand. What is the Good News for JWs. Christians believe in eternal life. Jesus Christ was the sacrifical lamb that keeps us from going to hell if we accept Him as our Savior. What do JWs believe about eternal life?
Eric- The question that I asked K&T to my knowledge has never happened as far as I know, however I do know for a fact that disfollowshiped person(s) are treated like dirt and garbage by the JW. You notice she refuse to answer Yes or No.
I want to answer Erics comment about disfellowship. Eric if you own your home you and family you have rules for everyone to abide by. You love your family. You feed them and shelter them .Jehovah provides us all. But he also has real laws .
My children, my wife and indeed me -- break the rules. We fail. We even do it without repentance. They are house rules. All of us always have a place to lay out heads. We just run it on the two great commandments. Judgment is not our purpose.
K&T God loves us and wants to forgive us. 1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." Man does not set rules for forgiveness.
Diane that is exactly the point and truth
We live by. Example God laws are against sexual immorality.rape, pedifiers , killing robbing your neighbor
If you lived in a house with one of these how would you feel?
Now worship is allowed but not these
My sister was in prison abt 6 years for killing a friend. She's bipolar, they were using drugs and she said he tried to rape her. She's still an alcoholic. She lives in a house I'm buying. Jesus forgave the thief on the cross. Forgiveness is
Diane forgiveness is the most important part of our faith. We are not Christains if we do not forgive.
The case is practicing a sinful act say pedifier with no course of change .and even puffed up they will not.
Can they live in your home ?
Did anyone else notice how K&T manage to change the focus off the subjuct I asked about charity to disfellowship. I'll answer my question for her. NO, JW will not provide needed charity to someone who was disfellowship if their life depended on i
Exactly Daine that goes for a congregation of worshipers that want to live and abide by the laws of God in truth.Not hypocritically. We have plenty of examples of I dont have to change my ways but they can make you a victim an loved ones victims
Mothers of murder victims have been known to go to prison to visit murderers. Kirk Cameron was an atheist and became a Christian. Jeffrey Dahmer, killed boys and ate them, asked forgiveness and became a Christian. God will not forgive those who do
Diane I totally agree .but we are talking about people who will not and arrogantly refuse to stop a harmful practice that could effect others who they socialize with. I have grands I do not want them around people who will not change dangerous ways
We all sin. None of us is judge over the other. Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. BUT Eph 2:8-9 By grace through faith we are saved not by works least any man should boast. Jesus blood sacrifice took our place
Diane we agree here. But Jesus gives us good counsel and protection. While we can not judge we can follow instructions for our good.
1Co 5:13 is for a good reason
If a person is not sorry for his wrong then for others its best to listen to Jesus
Jesus told the Pharisees that the one without sin should throw the 1st stone at the woman who committed adultery. He asked where's the man. We all lie, tax cheat, steal, jealousy, sex outside of marriage. There should always be a path to restorati
Diane there exist those who refuse to admit .or change a path. Jesus counsel is for everyone as you stated
But to change .
Math 18:15-17 when this is carried out as Jesus instructed then all things are done right .we can not correct Jesus.
I'm sure there are thing that require breaking fellowship. Often the Pastor is disgraceful. We've gotten off the Good News which includes God's forgiveness through Jesus Christ's blood.
Diane you speak truth. But I must remember Jesus gives counsel because these situtions exist. A person must return to Jehovah and Jesus in correcting their conduct. They are the judge of our souls. When corrected we love them even more.
KC: She can't prove w/Scripture JESUS is not GOD, what the GOOD NEWS is for JW's, forgive those who sin. JW is "twisted" man made doctrine & are "ACCURSED!" YALL need 2 STOP defying WORD. GOD LOVES JUDGMENT! U judging now & should!
I agree that the GOSPEL is the Good News! The Bible tells us that Jesus' birth, sinless life, death and resurrection are the good news. John 20:31 & 1 John 5:13 Bible written to give Good News and assure eternal life for believers
Diane- Maybe there is a bit of a disconnect here. The word Gospel MEANS "Good News" . Not that the gospel IS THE good news:
Thank you Eric that is a kind thing to say.
Disconnect - true KC! To me, John 3:16 is the Good News. OT gives history and prophecy of GN. NT is fulfillment of prophecy. The Bible, in elaborate detail, gives the 5 W's of GN.
OK here. Jesus is the Word. Jesus is the Kingdom of Heaven. The Word is the Gospel. Jesus is the Good News. Does it need to be more complex?
Diane This scripture is the very reason we have good News. Jesus fulfilled his mission . But mainly he traded places with Adam who generically killed us.
Jesus took his place now we can live long as Jesus. Romans 5:12 -15 explains
Eric, sounds good. I don't understand "Jesus is the kingdom of God."
Really cool isn't it Diane. It is like, within Him is all goodness and great. Pure and unadulterated. Like the "is" of love. If I can be in Jesus I can be in the Kingdom of God. Kind of like a feeling that is matter. Our words fail us here.
Thank you Eric for the complement.
If you lived in Jesus time and error and communities he would arrive at your home the same way. Everytime you accept a visit from us you accept Jesus invitation as a future citizen of his Goverment. He has not chan
K&T - from JWorg So we do not worship Jesus, as we do not believe that he is Almighty God. It seems JW's have adapted recognition but not deity of Jesus. https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/belie...
Diane Jesus is our King , he is our repurchaser. We were doomed just to be born and die. But he being the Heavenly Fathers first born creation makes him Prince of high value.
Other Angels are sons too but not the first. He became flesh to buy us.
John 13:35. Powerful indeed. I do not know their doctrine but I know their actions. They pick up garbage and they give greetings of love. I reckon I ought to look into it and judge them harshly -- NOT
K&T, Jesus is not an angel. Is 9:6b And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Another one of their false dctrine. They teach Jesus was an angel.I agree with you Diane.
I am getting this from jworg. I love to discuss but won't argue. We are to share the Good News. If we don't communicate, we can't share.
John 17: 5-6 says he was beside his Father before the world was . only Angelic spirit creatures live in heaven.
K&t-This is why I don't trust the JW doctrine. Taking John 17:5-6 out of context. If only angelic beings are in heaven, then what you are saying , implying, suggesting is not only is Jesus an angel but God is too. This is why JW doctrine make me
K&T John 1 speaks to His existence with God. There are Scriptures that speak of Him participating in creation. Also Alpha and Omega -in the beginning - He always existed.
Then Diane remember Jesus went back to heaven not in a fleshly body but spirit body. Jesus heavenly name is Micheal. Why did satan know he was
The Heavenly Father son why he tried to tempt him in the wilderness and quote scriptures.
K&T please give me a Scriptural reference for that. It's considered heresy under Christianity.
Diane no problem about scriptures thank you for validation.I will post as much by order.
John 20:17. Says touch me not.
John 14:28 says the Father is greater.
Next Even satan says Jesus is God's son. Mathew 4:6.
And satan quotes Palms 91:11-12
K&T Do you mind if I start a forum or something on this? There is no enough space for us to elaborate. I want to understand how your references come together and respond. I don't know if it can be a closed forum or not.
Sure Diane I agree it is better some time to write a hub the space is bigger for replies instead of me taking comment spaces from under other names. my device only shows a few comment spaces.
Now I'm annoyed because some people have answered even though they have no helpful input. https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/forum/136...
Diane you ask for scriptures I posted your request. Now I am confuse of what you are annoyed about. I speak to you concerning what is written now you make it about Jw. Can you read a scripture and see the truth .its not about Jw its about scripture.
I am sorry K&T. I am use to elaboration. Tell the Scripture and then two or three sentences of elaboration. How we interpret Scripture is based on what we have learned. What seems clear to me is not necessarily clear to someone else (Jesus/Go
I am very happy and confident of the bibles message I am a student and always will be .I only want to help many learn the real truth and how they will benifit from it. Its my pleasure to share my knowledge here with HP you all are special to me.
Praise God K&T! You are special to me also. I've been in study quite a few years myself - about 40 years. I can't fit 40 years in 250 characters. I love to discuss - not argue! :-) Be blessed!
Thank you Diane .I agree no one can understand points if argument is created the valuble points get lost.
The scripture you said was good .A point of intetest is his glory was seen
No man can see God and live. John 1:18, Ex 33:20, John 6:46
Jesus was not always His Name. Matt 1:21 they will call Him Jesus when He came in flesh and blood bodily form to fulfill His purpose here on earth. I AM was seen in OT. NT states I AM is Jesus. Ex 3:14-15 Jn 8:58 Before Abraham was I AM
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Yes Diane, charity work from the JW are conditional. But they don't tell you that in JW.org.
So RC which morals brought reproach
Was it killing, was is a sexual immoral acts. Adultry, Rape, Pornia, bad buinsness practices of taking advantage of people. Taking Innocence from children or child pedifiers. These are main reasons
I would not let anyone in my home that could cause me harm; however, I'm not God. He takes care of all of us and can certainly care for himself. People in prison with life sentences have accepted Christ. He gives all who ask. I'd give food if nee
The problem with your Story KC is when a natral disaster hits nobody knows who they are saving they help and save life with resources.and it does not matter if one is disfellowship. Fellowship means volunteered social gatherings .not denying needs
K&T- you will continue to hid the truth and lie to people until your blue in the face. Charity from "JW" are conditional. The WTBTS knows it, JW knows it and you know it.
Diane it is written as counsel from Jesus 1Cor 5:11 .strictly says quit keeping company with anyone called a brother who is sexually immoral , greedy,idolater, reviler, drunkard, or extortioner not even eating with such a person. Is Jesus right ?
MOST denominations "pervert the gospel of Christ" (Gal 1:7)! There are some truths in each but MUST "Study" AFTER THE CROSS to find "Good News" of GRACE (JESUS)!
READ I Cor 4:20 "POWER" (Acts 1:8) to accomplish ANYTHING!
Go Back & "WAIT" Acts1
Kingdom, I agreed with you ... I think. I think we are all expounding. I guess in 3 words or less, it is John 3:16.
U asked What is Good News? I said Gospel! U asked What is it's purpose? I told you GRACE for our Salvation! Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by GRACE r u SAVED thru FAITH;...it is the gift of GOD." Good News is Msg that we can be SAVED according2 Eph 2:8-9
Wow Diane, for in summation and conclusion John 3:16 is very appropriate.
You sound like someone in bible class! Move under the New Covenant what JESUS DIED for & gave us the GIFT of GRACE so we can be SAVED thru our FAITH!
I am afraid that only those who think God speaks through them and tells them what to think --- would think there is only one understanding and that would be theirs that they claim it is God's. Are they really anointed prophets?
Angele, the "Good News" is ALL Scripture "AFTER THE CROSS" which gave us GRACE so we could be SAVED by our FAITH (Ephesians 2:8-9)! I Cor 15:2 "keep memory of what I've preached" & if not Gal 1:6-9 applies!
GRACE is the "GOOD NEWS!"
Thank you Eric!
“The Good News is that when we trust God’s grace to save us through the work of Jesus, our sins are forgiven, we get a purpose for living, and we’re promised a future home in heaven Rick Warren, Saddleback Church
WOW! U really hate to admit the HS "revealed" to me "GRACE" is the "Good News" Paul testified of thru the "Gospel of Christ" AFTER THE CROSS, huh? Had to go to Rick?
It doesn't matter, those who have "ears" will "hear" for Gal 1:12!
"Deleted" FAST huh so no one else could learn?
II Peter 2:20 applies and if you don't "eat from the table of the Lord, whose do you eat from (I Cor 10:21) "causing your brother to stumble" (Rm 14:13-23)?
Not a game!
KC: You said IT! Acts 20:24 "...& the ministry, which I have recv'd of the Lord Jesus (HS), to testify "the gospel" of the "GRACE" of GOD!" GRACE is the Good News preached in "Gospel of Christ" (AFTER THE CROSS)!"
Jn 1:14 "...full of GRACE&
If your Hub were here, I would select it and give 5 stars. His coming was prophesied in the OT and we were told why. If Jesus' had come with no forgiveness of sin and eternal life, what would be the Good News?
Diane- His Hub says that the good news is the Kingdom of God. Just what I have been saying.
But I Cor 4:20 says "The Kingdom of GOD is POWER (Acts 1:8) that was given us by "GRACE" thru FAITH wherein we can now be SAVED" (Eph 2:8-9)!
I hope he didn't delete my resp on HUB wherein WORD was given but we know them by their fruit.
That is a cool hub, informative and very nicely scripture oriented.
FL: Why did you "delete" my comment in your HUB?
II Peter 2:20 IS WRITTEN!