Do You Support a God of Mercy and Temperance

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   rrhistorianposted 12 years ago

   world peace is in his plans - but it does not fit into the plans of the demon-man
   pagan society has infiltrated the lan of peace by claiming to be a reliigion of hate.
   nothing will end the war of hate until the individuals demand that hate be removed.
   this means destroying the evil demons spreading hate as their religion.

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      tlmcgaa70posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      the only "world peace" will come after judgment...excepting unless you count the thousand years.

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   knolyourselfposted 12 years ago

   "this means destroying the evil demons spreading hate as their religion."
   Preserving is love. Destroying is hate, unless it is nature in which case
   destruction is rejuvenation.

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   jacharlessposted 12 years ago

   Mercy, that is the gift of forgiveness before any offense can or would be made, called Grace, was is and will always be. The Law rose up to form Temperance and temper the minds of man, his madness from his self-inflicted amnesia. An affliction which was caused by the rising of his ego, which is the serpent itself. The law was the foundation for Temple of Temperance and it built itself great columns. Exceedingly tall and steadied by a thousand men or more, at every side. Its court and sanctuaries filled with the smoke of burning flesh, floors stained with the blood of life. The stench of its ways was like a cloud that covered the whole earth and filled the heavens to choke off Grace and block out the light. Its fires were stoked with the bitterness of envy, of fear, of anguish, of judgment. Its flames even singed the garments of those outside. Within sat the tablets of rule, the staff and the manna. Its gates made of the purest gold and drapes of silk. The world over celebrated and feasted on its offerings, day and night. It strengthened itself with more laws and spread its breadth and width to the ends of the earth, until every man was made a slave to it and served it with all his heart.
   
   But Mercy was too great for it. The weight of Mercy was too great for the Temple of Temperance. Its columns cracked and quivered, as its foundation shook. As Grace came to rest between the wings of cherubs, the temple of Temperance, of Law, of Sin, of Death was crushed to dust beneath. Pulverized to the size of sand. Thrust into the earth from where it came. Then, the wind came and blew, scattering its ashes to the four corners, never to be seen again.
   
   All judgment has come and gone. The thousand years fulfilled at the first rising. For 1000 are the years from King David to Moshiach. There is no more Law, nor Works, nor Sin to rule over man. And since there is no more rule, only two things can be for him: Immortality or Death. Peace then will come when the temple in each is crushed and grace consumes them. This means then, they are transformed into the Immortal and are beloved forever. To those where grace is not found, death is their only hope.
   
   James.

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      tlmcgaa70posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      im sorry james, but what you posted in no wise is supported by GODs Word.

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         jacharlessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         If you are referring to biblical excerpts, actually my statement matches up seamlessly.
         As for "Gods" Word, we had this discussion (?).
         You, Me, everything that exists IS the Word of Creator [ruach].
         And to be very clear, that ruach is the Breathe of Life in every human; aka aka the indwelling Spirit; heaven-earth; aka the Kingdom of Heaven.
         
         James.

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            tlmcgaa70posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            then i am afraid we shall have to agree to disagree on you PoV. and your interpretation of scripture.

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               jacharlessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I do not interpret Torah {scripture}. I read it as is.
               The above mention, is merely a reflection of collective thoughts from the text.
               
               a. Above the AOC, sat two cherubs facing outward and curved to form what is called the Mercy Seat, which sealed the law {tablets, manna and staff of the serpent} beneath it, forever.
               
               b. Grace existed before the Law and after. It is the term forgiveness { to provide blamelessness even before an offense is made against another }.
               
               c. Ruach is the Hebrew term for "Word" or "Breath of Life' or "Spirit". The Greek is Pneuma
               
               d. If one reads Revelation 20.5-6, you will see that before the first resurrection came the thousand years, not after. The power of the law was 1000 years and the judgment was "committed to the Son", who instead of counting those works against them, removed and gave Grace. And there is much much more I would explain. But will leave it at this.
               
               James

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                  Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  No - Jim Bob
                  
                  Explains it to us. You know best.
                  
                  Not condescending at all. Really {honestly|no sarcasm|waiting} We hang on your every utterance of majik {scripture}.

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                     jacharlessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Hmm, awfully late over there, Marcus. Nearly 10pm CEST.
                     You should put the whiskey down and get some rest old man.
                     Seems you have had a very, very busy day.
                     No need to defecate more drivel and "LAWL" in any direction.
                     I have no reason to dialogue with a drunkard -be it spirits or ego, nor argue with one who parrots the same thing over and over. Brrackk. Sleep tight, and sweet dreams, fella...
                     
                     James.

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   wildernessposted 12 years ago

   Interesting, but hardly new, concept of world peace.  "Do what I tell you and all will be peaceful, fail to day what I tell you to and I will kill you, producing world peace".
   
   There have been quite a few dictators use the same reasoning, usually with some short lived success.

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      tlmcgaa70posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      the difference between those dictators and GOD...is that GOD has the right, and only HE has that right...to make the rules. we live by them or die by them and no one says we have to like them or even approve of them. the thing is...the closer you get to GOD, the more wisdom and understanding HE gives you, and you realize HIS way is the best way. there is no telling this to non believers tho. they will never see it.

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         wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Actually, I was responding to the OP saying that we must kill all the human demons spreading hate.  Hating as much as they do, we must kill them as a way to peace.
         
         As far as God having the right to make rules; only if YOU let Him make the rules for YOU.  You may not decide what God says I should do, and even God may not make that choice should I deny Him the right.

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            tlmcgaa70posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            my friend...the only choice man has in this life is to accept or reject GOD. thats it. GOD does what GOD wants in this world HE created and with any person HE chooses. HE told pharoah he had been born to that purpose (to stand against GOD so that GOD could show the world HIS power and glory and make them realize there was only one living GOD). do you think judas iscariot chose his role as CHRISTs betrayer? but someone had to betray CHRIST for scripture to be fulfilled. GOD knows a mans heart better than that man himself...GOD chose judas for that purpose because HE knew what was in judas' heart. GOD intercedes daily for the elects sake, and that means in the lives of those who reject HIM. no human on this earth can do a thing if GOD does not wish them to do it...and likewise no human can not do a thing if GOD wishes them to do it. it is folly to believe GOD is not active in this world.

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               wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Correct - I can accept or reject Him.  And if I reject that myth as reality it has no hold on me, nor can it affect what I do and certainly not what happens to me. 
               
               It can only affect people that believe it as truth, similar to witch doctors.  Those that believe are under the doctors power and can be affected by him, those that don't can suffer no ill (or good) effects from him.

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   knolyourselfposted 12 years ago

   Great poetry. Now what exactly did I do to be so deserving of all this serpentine affliction?

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   pisean282311posted 12 years ago

   till Abrahamic religions dont die there wont be peace...root cause of religious wars and terrorism is rigidity of Abrahamic religions....

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   rrhistorianposted 12 years ago

   I am truly amazed at the lack of credence concerning the erradication of demons on the earth.
   
   While the demon leaders may be eliminated in today's society, the actual demon society will not be eradicated until man comprehends that pagan war is not going to provide a path to salvation.
   
   The path to salvation for the pagan is based on killing or converting all non-believers.
   
   This 6,000 year war has been continuously supported by radical pagan leaders that train youth to follow them to the glory land.  However, one does not follow anyone to the glory land by killing innocent individuals that may not believe the same religion as they do.
   
   While the demon leaders spread this path to glory, all peace loving individuals are at risk.
   
   The only way to eradicate the pagan demon is to eliminate the religious thinking that killing is good.
   
   The only way to accomplish this is to quit following the pagan killing path.
   
   The non-pagan society must eliminate the pagan society if this killing is to stop.
   
   The non-pagan individuals regardless of their religion must work in harmony through mercy and temperance if the world is to achieve peace.
   
   My God - the one that lives in me - is one of mercy and temperance.
   
   Is yours?

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   knolyourselfposted 12 years ago

   No your god is the killer. The America's Indians were pagans. And exactly how many world wars did they have? India Hinduism is pagan. How many world wars did they have? Of creation, preservation and destruction you represent destruction, it seem to me.

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      rrhistorianposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      My God is not a killer when I destroy demons because I show them mercy and temperance.
      
      What do you destroy?

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         jacharlessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Demons and the "Devil", as an entity are a myth, so them is your g/God a myth.
         And, spare us the, "Devils greatest trick was convincing humanity [he] doesn't exist", because literally 80% of the collective world believes or at least blames the "Devil" for their actions, lack of actions, etc. A collective hypnosis that deflects self-responsibility...
         
         Where there is temperance, there is envy and war. Because temperance is only necessary if two cannot agree. It suppresses for a time and often explodes in greater rage than before temperance seized control.
         Where there is grace, there is only peace.
         
         Those who seek tolerance or temperance are those who either make war or fear war and make slaves of others.
         
         James.

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            rrhistorianposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            The devil does exist.
            You can see him at work all this week in the middle east.
            You can seem himm at work at every police station in this country.
            You can see him at work at every street corner where drugs are sold.
            If you cannot see him, then you are not trying.

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               jacharlessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Yes, what you call [the entity] devil is the human ego.
               And ego is dripping in your every word.
               
               The Hebrew term ha~satan means Ego. It is where the word Satan in the Latin to Germanic came.
               There is no fallen angel who is equal to Creator -meaning it be evil or the counterpart to all good. Nor was [He] created let loose on all humanity, along with millions of other fallen angels, called demons.
               The Greek word dæmon is a pagan term which translates spirit or heart. It was altered in Latin to form demon. It was later used to promote the concept of demonology in the mid 14th century, when demons first appeared in Christianity and coincidentally the first canonized bible was published. The reason I know this is because it was a course requirement for Rhema Certification for Pastoral ordination, of which I am a graduate and worked in the ministry for 20 years -to both wild woods and mega churches.
               
               James.

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                  tlmcgaa70posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  so what you are saying is that the ego was the most beautiful of all the angels, before GOD cast it down to earth?

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                     jacharlessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Sorry for the rhetorical, but ask this question: when was the serpent cast down to the earth, to draw in the dust of the earth? What rose up in Eve//Adam which divided wisdom -perfection in them? Ego.
                     The Ego divided humans from Creator, indulging in Reason {often called Choice or Knowledge of Good-Evil}. Before this, man never considered or needed to reason. He had complete ability.
                     
                     Also remember, a "messenger of light" is also called "thought", not just an angel.
                     In the Latin, lucem ferre -from where the term Lucifer comes- translates "message" or "messenger of light".
                     
                     Also, how odd that supposedly the most horrid of all beings was let loose on humanity, yet humanity never told about [him] nor how to get rid of [him] in nearly 5800 years of Hebrew history. In fact, [he] is never once mentioned. Yet, Read closely Job, Lamentations, Ecclesiastes, Proverbs and you will see the word ha-satan mentioned countless times, referring to the ego, not an angel.
                     
                     And not until the mid 14th century do the "doctrines of demons" come into play, within Christianity, even though there were intervals where pagan ideas of the newly fallen Greco-Roman empire did appear.
                     
                     James.

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                  rrhistorianposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I understand your use of the term, but in today's society, it is not simply ego, but the indoctrination of evil activities by certain un-Godly individuals and their followers that portray the devil.
                  Man is a beast by nature and therefore susceptible to animal habits when trained to follow the evil ways.  Since this is a manmade phenomenon the devil is perpetuated through future indoctrination of youth.
                  If we are to provide a peace for the world, the youth must be harnessed through mercy and temperance whereby the disparate society can coexist. 
                  The future of the world depends on a form of peace acceptance that does not tolerate the killing of innocent victims.  However, until we can ensure that the youth will live this way, we must strive to train the youth to operate peacefully until attacked.

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                     jacharlessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     As soon as there's a "but", the trouble begins. Modern or ancient, society is ego driven on both sides of Theos {equation/science and sensation/religion by title}.Again, mercy and tolerance cannot coexist. One is highly flammable/explosive, the other completely neutral. So peace through tolerance//tempering//temperance {suppression} is futile -and for proof, we need only look at human history. The youth ought to be instructed in mercy void of rules/doctrines but rather in an altruistic representation -by observation of the society preceding them.
                     
                     James.

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         A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Demons = anyone who doesn't share your beliefs.

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   knolyourselfposted 12 years ago

   I was born perfect.

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    rrhistorianposted 12 years ago

    Mercy is defined as compassion or forgiveness shown toward someone within one's power to punish or harm.  My God has mercy.
    
    Temperance is defined as self-restraint in action or self-control.  My God has temperance.
    
    Therefore, peace will only come when each individual can achieve
    1.  mercy for those of the same beliefs
    2.  temperance for those of different beliefs
    
    we currently see that neither mercy or temperance is being shown in the middle east
    we also see that mercy is not shown within many faiths world wide.
    the devil is at play in both of these areas and creates evil chaos continuallly
    we also see this when the devil leadership of the world conveys mercy or temperance incorrectly.
    
    God does not command us to be weak when struggling with the devil.
    God commands that we be strong and win when we struggle against the devil.
    
    The animals learned this when being rounded up by Noah for the great voyage.
    Both predator and prey were able to coexist in a confined envirionment.
    
    However, mankind has been unable to learn this even with their advanced brain because mankind cannot accept that God lives where he chooses to live - within the individual - based on the individuals acceptance that God is good even when mankind is not.
    
    Mankind that blames God for the terrible things that someone in mankind does is really blaming themselves, because mankind was created in the form of God - and so has the peace of God within them.  The individuals of mankind must choose to use this peace.
    
    the devil knows this and so plays havoc upon the individual by declaring the good of God evil.
    
    because mankind is free to choose, devil followers teach false doctrines and devote themselves to radical myths and endless genealogies that bring disaster to the nations.
    
    this is seen daily as the immoral continue to declare their immoral actions as Godly good.
    
    however, the righteous recognize that this is just the devil at work.
    
    the merciful and temperant individual understands that the devil will continuously be at work until everyone on earth has appropriately accepted to be merciful and temperant.
    
    this has never happened since the beginning of written history because the more mouths to feed, the more hunger there is.  the more hunger there is, the more destruction occurs.
    
    Ecclesiastes 3: 1-8 (New International Version 1984)   
    A Time for Everything
    1 There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under heaven:
    2 a time to be born and a time to die, a time to plant and a time to uproot,
    3 a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build,
    4 a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance,
    5 a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them, a time to embrace and a time to refrain,
    6 a time to search and a time to give up, a time to keep and a time to throw away,
    7 a time to tear and a time to mend, a time to be silent and a time to speak,
    8 a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace.
    
    Ecclesiastes 3: 13 (New International Version 1984)   
    That everyone may eat and drink, and find satisfaction in all his toil—this is the gift of God.
    
    Ecclesiastes 3: 19-22 (New International Version 1984)   
    19Man’s fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless.
    20All go to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return.
    21Who knows if the spirit of man rises upward and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth?”
    22So I saw that there is nothing better for a man than to enjoy his work, because that is his lot. For who can bring him to see what will happen after him?
    
    Your living dust is what you choose to make of it.
    I pray that you choose wisely.

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       jacharlessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Exactly, all this is ego and a result of him losing his immortality.
       There was no way back to immortality until Grace overthrew the power of the Law and re-established itself as authority over man. That Grace crushed the Law and the temple that law built, beneath the weight of grace's awesomeness --and pulverized the terms//conditions of it, whereby relieving the burden of tolerance//temperance and seeding in its place a new 'burden' which is the Light of Life, the Spirit, the Word [ruach in the Hebrew; pneuma in the Greek], the Kingdom of Heaven~Earth. This is the Restoration of Creator Himself once more dwelling within so man is no longer without.
       
       All beliefs -be them of science or sensation- must be cast into the fire and burned. Man must accept he is more than what he believes -meaning sin {Reason of good-evil} or thinking. Every thought man thinks must be aligned correctly, all thoughts brought to his remembrance -the Trees United again- by that indwelling- so the seed may produce the correct fruit of Ineffable Grace and Joy, as it was from the beginning. Else, he must continue to choose. The reward for that is death and all its parts. He has and will continue to temper death with beliefs, pills, potions, powders, evoking of gods and worship of idols -be them mechanical, textual or other. He will war, fear, defend, protect, cower, take a stand for the aforementioned until either he kills another to temper his own death, else is killed by another for the same purpose.
       
       So, forgive me when I say, I do not know this god you speak of so dearly and I wish never to know [Him]. The one who is all things has already seeded immortality in me and the dust trembles beneath my feet because of His power, which is that very Life in me....
       
       James.

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    taburkettposted 12 years ago

    Everyone is given a one-way ticket on the road of life when they are born.
    Everyone chooses whether this ticket results in a great adventure or a distressed one.
    Those who choose wisely live an internal peace regardless of the incidental distress around them.
    Those who do not choose wisely are continually hounded by the distress that engulfs them.
    The devil lives through the distressed as each evil seeks to overturn the moral society.
    My hope is that more newborns will soon begin to choose the wise path.
    GOD bless one and all.

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