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   A.Villarasaposted 12 years ago

   Silent lucidity,
   Lucid tranquility,
   Tranquil luminousity,
   Luminous levity.
   
   These are what the  soul provides us,  Homo Sapiens,  on our way from a star gazing to a star trekking specie.

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      gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Beautiful poem, I love it immensely.

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         A.Villarasaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         If humans are stripped down to their barest animalistic predisposition, then I suppose atheists have a basis for saying that humans do not have a soul. But humans are never the total sum of their individual material parts. There is more to us than meet the eyes, and that something is our soul.

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      A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      And, we can achieve that goal of "star trekking" without the need of education, knowledge, understanding and technological advancements? The soul will provide us with everything we need?

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         A.Villarasaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         @TM:
         Not everything.... just the necessary predisposition, intuition, instinct to discover and create and explore. Education, knowledge, understanding, and technology are part ans parcel of that predispotion. But without the human soul would humans have the temerity and perspicacity to perceptualize and conceptualize? I don't think so.

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            A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, humans use something called a brain for exactly those purposes.

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               A.Villarasaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               @TM:
               Oh yes.. the brain. BTW our closest genetic kin, the Bonobo chimps, have brains too, that when examined macroscopically and microscopically  are not too dissimilar  to  yours and mine. But I don't see the Bonobos building a civilization, conceptualizing about the nature of the universe and  their place in it, and  discovering  the ideas/creating the tools that  would serve him in good stead on his way to becoming an extra-terrestrial specie.
               
               I posit that what separates us humans from the rest of God's  creation is the human soul, an entity that is not subject to clinical inspection and or scientific testing.

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                  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  So what? Do you have a point? All you have managed to accomplish with that comment is demonstrate a severe lack of knowledge and understanding of evolution and brains.
                  
                  
                  
                  Posit souls all you want, they have never been shown to exist, hence you can posit a leprechaun riding a unicorn as being equally valid. And, you can claim to KNOW that your God is not subject to inspection or testing, showing only to well you are compelled to lie about any characteristics your God might exhibit, based on your own logic.

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                     A.Villarasaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     @TM
                     
                     So tell me more about evolution and brains. I am more than willing to lend you my ear.

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            Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Instinct? Sounds like evolution talk to me. There is no "god" in evolution. Maybe you are starting to get it after all?

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               A.Villarasaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               @MK:
               
               If by evolution you mean adapting to and  surviving  existence's viscisitudes, then their  Instinct and intuition did serve humans quite well.
               If by evolution you mean, the creative process with which  man was molded and imparted with a soul... then God had a lot to do with that one.
               
               From my perspective it is you who should really get it after all.

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                  Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Sorry you don't understand. Just say "goddunit," again. Although - I take it you have some evidence of your god interfering in evolution? Molded. Imparted. At least your grandiose verbosity is reducticating.

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                     A.Villarasaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     @MK:
                     
                     Talk about grandiose verbosity... what about reducticating?
                     
                     Talk about  photo grandiosity... what about using a painting of a saint as his avatar?... or did I just miss your misplaced sense of the Ironic.

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                        Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Misplaced? How so? Don't know who this is huh? It seems your nescience is unparallelled and not limited to evolutionary biology.
                        
                        I keep dis-remembering that you believers lack the irony gene. Assail the unbelievers - that should help. Remember to use the biggerest words you can find.

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                           A.Villarasaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           MK:
                           Hey Mark... using the Nazarene's visage as your avatar took quite a bit of chutzpah. Ironic, but  temerity nonetheless. In some quarters you could be tried for blasphemy.Now what would really be blasphemous but gutsy nonetheless  is for you to use the visage of the prophet Mohammad as your avatar. But I doubt you have enough guts to put on  a stunt like that. On HubPages nonetheless.

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                              Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              LAWL You are transparent. Calling me a coward across an internet forum huh? How brave you are.
                              
                              There are not nearly enough Islamists here to make that worthwhile. If it is any consolation, I hold their irrational beliefs in as much disdain as I hold yours.

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                                 A.Villarasaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 @MK:
                                 The dare still holds.

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                                    Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    Dare?
                                    
                                    How very Christian of you.

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   getitriteposted 12 years ago

   Has this "soul" been found to exist?  Please send link.  Thanks

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      A.Villarasaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      @getitrite:
      You might try this link: GodinHeaven.com.
      The link has a very strict criteria though ... you must believe in the existence of the human soul  first before you could access the link.

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         getitriteposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         That's downright absurd!!!???      You are basically saying that before I am presented with the evidence to form a conclusion, I am to already HAVE a conclusion. 
         
         I'm not looking for "facts" to corroborate a fraudulent conclusion, I'm looking for real irrefutable evidence for a SOUL. 
         
         Stop trying to dupe me, please...and show me a link which shows irrefutable, scientific evidence for a SOUL.
         
         If you can't do that, then the honorable think to do would be to retract any misleading, fraudulent information you have posted...because someone less inclined to critical thinking could be conned by this blatant deception.

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            A.Villarasaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            @getitrite:
            
            So sorry that my  throw of a playful un-factuality missed you by a mile. But then I suppose when an aburdity ie. "...show me a link which shows irrefutable, scientific evidence for a soul",  is thrown at me, I throw it right back i.e " GodinHeaven.com"

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               getitriteposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               OK?   The dishonesty continues, I see.  Not surprising.  Do you see why I'm not a believer?  I refuse to stoop to this level of immorality. 
               
               Of course you have already convinced yourself that a "soul" exists, and that's all the "scientific evidence"  you need.  Perplexing!

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                  A.Villarasaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  @getitrite:
                  You  putting the onus on me for you being an atheist, is just not what I would expect of someone who is hubristic enough to deny the existence of a Being much higher that he is. No matter how scientifically non-perplexing that is.

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                     getitriteposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     In other words, you have no evidence for a soul.  I understand. Thanks.

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                        A.Villarasaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        @getitrite:
                        
                        Sorry (again?) to disappoint you, but if you are looking for a physical evidence of the existence of the soul then good luck with that... unless of course if you don't consider your existence on earth evidence enough that a soul exist because YOU have a soul.... literally and metaphorically.

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                           getitriteposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           My existence on earth is no evidence of a soul, whatsoever.  That is only whimsical conjecture...which any young child could formulate.  You have no evidence for a soul, but you go right on posturing as if you do.  Just admit that you have no evidence, and, therefore that your belief is based in willful ignorance, and wishful thinking...AS YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE.  Is superstitious nonsense this difficult to relinquish?
                           
                           
                           
                           Then I want you to, LITERALLY, prove that:
                           
                           1)  A "soul" exists. 
                           2)  I possess a "soul"
                           
                           I'm not interested in metaphorically, since that is irrelevant.

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                              A.Villarasaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              @Getitrite:
                              I refuse to think and therefore  also refuse to believe that my or any other human's existence on earth is just the happenstance and accidental  result of some  non-purposeful event some 13 billion years ago when Time and Space had their beginning. The cosmos did not  randomly create itself despite the proposition invoked by quantum mechanics that matter at its most elemental (quarks, bossons etc) acts randomly... a concept that was anathema to Albert Einstein when he said that God does not play dice with the universe.
                              
                              The perplexities and complexities of the cosmos and man's ultimate  appearance  in it just does not  give credence to the idea that there is no purpose to existence... thus its non-utility and futility--- concepts that  atheists firmly believe in.
                              
                              Thus if you believe as I do that existence is full of utility, then you must believe, as I do that there is a Creator and it is that Creator who  imparted humans with the unique characteristics of being soul-ful.

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                                 JMcFarlandposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 so basically, you're just going to fall back on the argument from ignorance - just with more words.
                                 
                                 1) I can't imagine an explanation for the universe
                                 2) I will then say that no real explanation exits
                                 3) therefore, god.
                                 
                                 That is the argument from ignorance.  You just did it perfectly.

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                                    A Driveby Quipperposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    You did just as well.

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                                       JMcFarlandposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                       where and how?

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                                    A.Villarasaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    @JM:
                                    
                                    Of course I can imagine an explanation for the universe, but  that imagination is based not  on fantasy but on informed intuition and  inspired instinct.
                                    
                                    The explanation is as real as the  reality of existence that is not solely anchored on the physical and material. The reality of that non-physical existence has been subjected to a lot of philosophical as well as  scientific discussion and conjecrure.
                                    
                                    Eben Alexander, M.D. who is a neuro-scientist as well as a neurosurgeon wrote about the Reality of Heaven, the Soul and GOD in his just recently publishes book "The Proof of Heaven". In the book  he relates, that  as a materialist neurosurgeon, he looked and approached askance the idea of  spiritual reality as experienced by people who have had near-death experience. Well, he had a NDE himself in 2008, and no matter how he looked askance at his own experience, he came to the conclusion, after a lot of introspection and soul-searching and  yes, scientific evaluation that in fact and in truth, Heaven, the human soul, and GOD do EXIST.

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                                       JMcFarlandposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                       NDE are interesting.
                                       
                                       can you explain, perhaps how 99.9% of NDE's confirm the individual's pre-existing beliefs?  For example, a Muslim that has a NDE will see Allah, 99.9% of the time - or a heavenly reality that lines up with their beliefs.  A Protestant, on the other hand, is 99.9% likely to see the christian "heaven"
                                       
                                       NDE's are created by our minds.  By what we want to be true - or what we fear to be true.  There is no scientific evidence to point to the fact that the person has actually traveled anywhere else than their own mind.  In fact, NDE's can be falsely created in a lab, and the test subjects experience the same kind of things that real NDEs do.

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                                    A.Villarasaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    @JM:
                                    
                                    Just a suggestion... you might want to read Dr. Alexander's book. It could be an eye opener, unless of course your eyes are so tightly shut, that not even light could pass through it.

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                                       JMcFarlandposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                       I've browsed through it.  How open are your eyes? Have you read any of Bart Ehrman's books?  Like "forged" or "misquoting jesus"?

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                                    A.Villarasaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    @Jm:
                                    Browsing is not gonna do it. Read the whole thing.

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   JMcFarlandposted 12 years ago

   I'll start as soon as you read a couple of my suggestions as well.

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      A.Villarasaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      @JM:
      I'll take the bait...so what would you want me to read... one book at a time please.

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