The New Pope

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   Emile Rposted 12 years ago

   It had to be asked.
   
   By naming himself Francis, Bergoglio has confirmed himself to be aligned as Francesco di Puerto di Bernardone by official title.
   
   Why? Wouldn't it have been better to steer clear of an ancient prophecy? Are they thumbing their noses, or hoping for fulfillment?

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      Brenda Durhamposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Are you sure that's  the "St. Francis"  meant by his taking that title?
      
      I think it's in honor of St. Francis of Assisi..........

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      Motown2Chitownposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      St. Francis of Assisi aligned himself with the poor and the lepers.  He was also called by God to "rebuild His house."  At the time, Francis began to literally rebuild the chapel of San Damiano...later he realized that God had called him to renew/rebuild the Church.  To bring a new spirit of poverty and humility and love to the people of God through his fidelity to the Gospel.
      
      The name you gave was his family name.   
      
      Since he renounced his worldly goods and gave himself to God, he has only ever been known as Francis of Assisi.
      
      

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         Brenda Durhamposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Well, there ya go, Emile.
         The form letter canned answer from a Catholic.

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         Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Don't worry. I'm really not attempting to bash Catholics here. It's just odd to me. I've read that, in the past, cardinals have gone out of their way to appear to fit the prophesy hoping to be chosen. The last two chosen went out of their way to ensure they fit the prophesy. You've got to wonder why. Or maybe you don't.

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            psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I doubt he was thinking of the prophecy, he was thinking of his policy about the poor and sending a signal to the Italian power base (Francis being the patron of Italy)

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               Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               That is, of course, just as possible. But, even though I consider the Vatican to be out of touch; I don't see them as completely oblivious. To think that it wasn't discussed (keeping in mind it is their prophesy) doesn't seem likely. To me, at least.
               
               Either way, the guy appears to be pretty nice.

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                  Brenda Durhamposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I can't see them being oblivious at all either.
                  But it may be that it's more common than we think.
                  This link below seems to show that there've been other Popes who had the name of Peter.   They just didn't re-name themselves Peter.....
                  
                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes

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                     Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     I think my problem lies in the fact of the prophecy. You know it exists. You know what it says. If you name yourself something that appears to line up, why?

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                        Brenda Durhamposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        That is the million dollar question........

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                        Rad Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        To legitimize the prophesy and the Church. Unfortunately if one knows the prophesy it's self fulfilling.
                        
                        Watch me predict the future.
                        In two minutes I'll post that the word SEE.

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                           Brenda Durhamposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           Just interjecting here before the two minutes are up.   Trying to interrupt prophecy!!  haha

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                              Rad Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              We could not prevent the prophecy from revealing itself.

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                                 Brenda Durhamposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 

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      psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      There are a bunch for Francis-es he could be referencing. Especially as he is Jesuit.

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         Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Possibly. But I read that he admitted he was thinking of Francis of Assissi when he chose the name. Which is great. I am an admirer of the story of St. Francis. I just find it odd; the timing and all.

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   Brenda Durhamposted 12 years ago

   Eh...
   okay...
   according to Wikipedia,  they were the same person....
   
   Now I see why you ask.

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   Brenda Durhamposted 12 years ago

   Emile,
   Whether the connection is intentional or simply coincidental,
   and considering the Church's rule of not having a Pope named Peter,
   I doubt that there will ever be a definitive answer forthcoming from the Vatican.
   The Catholic Church has always retained its secrecy.
   And while I admire the stance of the new Pope on many issues,  he is Catholic after all and subject to that ritual of secrecy.

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      Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I find it interesting because the last pope chose to assume a name that was associated with olives, which made him fit the prophesy. Or so I've read. And you can't tell me this Argentinian didn't know that name would be interpreted that way. It all looks a little suspicious to me. Oddly so. Why would anyone go out of their way to line up with such a ridiculous prophesy?

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   stclairjackposted 12 years ago

   perhaps i'm just slow,... what "rediculous prophesy" are we talking about??

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      Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      St. Malachi.

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   psycheskinnerposted 12 years ago

   The Pope chooses the name, not the Vatican as a whole, so it is hard to say what he did or did not consider.

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      Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Well, I believe we all already knew that, but thanks for stating the obvious.

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         psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I was replying to you statement which seemed to bring in what "the Vatican" knows.

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            Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Well, let's think about this for a moment. Yes, the guy gets to pick his own name. I'm sure a cardinal had advisors and I'm sure he told Vatican officials what he wanted to be named prior to sharing it with the world, at large. Are you suggesting that no one had any opportunity for input? If so, could you explain?

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   Zelkiiroposted 12 years ago

   I should try out for Pope so I can be Pope Minotaurus I.
   
   It just has to be a Latin word, right? Then Minotaurus should do just fine.

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      Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I'd vote for you. But, I'm not a cardinal.

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   Rad Manposted 12 years ago

   Not to worry, they gave the prophesy and out by saying there is an indeterminate number of Popes between the last and the very last.

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   Rad Manposted 12 years ago

   SEE

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      Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Um, you were off by a minute. What kind of a prophet are you?

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         Rad Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Sorry about that, I took a phone call and got distracted by stupid work. I'll be a better prophet from now on.

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   Brenda Durhamposted 12 years ago

   

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    mayzaposted 12 years ago

    I love this new pope

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