Is the Republican Party the religio/political beast of Revelation 13:1

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r-o-yposted 11 years ago

The bible states that the beast had two horns like a lamb, but a mouth that speak great blasphemy! On the surface it appears to be the Church of Christ, but on close inspection one see that this beast with horns like a lamb is the enemy of Jesus. This beast places a woman the ahead of Jesus Christ, encourages its members to call up the dead from their grave, and no one in their party calls them out on it, not even the so-called Christians of that party. This beastly religio/political party even encourages its members to pray to these demons from hell, and again those who call themselves Christians in this party watch as this beast with the little horns like a lamb drag millions of soul to hell and could not care less as long as their man get into office, it don’t matter if that man is an enemy of God or not!
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  Grim Masterposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Well the Republican party seems adamant in sacrificing rights for security, stabilizing a near-tyrannical reign, not separating church and state, demoting women, and imposing many reasons to support war. But hey, the anti-christ will rise from the sea of politics, so no matter what side he's on, politics ain't going to matter much longer once he's elected.
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I am disappointed interpreting Scripture the way above. USA is not included in any Bible prophecy. The reason may be because most of US believers will be gone and remnant will be incapable to rule the country. In another words USA will be vanished.
  The Prophecy is about Holy Roman Empire during Great Tribulation period and it is time when there is absence of true Church from Book of Revelation from Chapter 4 on.
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  r-o-yposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Vladimir, do really believe that the world greatest government in the history of mankind is never mention in bible. Do you really believe this? First of all this so-called Holy Roman Empire includes the USA, it’s not just Rome Italy it’s an Empire and includes many nations. When fully implemented it be the called The United Nations, which includes the USA. In fact The USA will be the military power behind the U.N. just as it is today. The Republican Party is right now in partnership the pope of Rome, just take notice off who they go to on religious matter’s its always a Catholic Priest! When the president set out to fix broken medical system of ours, the Republican Party was up in arms about it, what was their main grip? It was that this system was going to hurt the Catholic hospitals because it was going to cause them too much money. I don’t know about but I did not hear them say anything about it hurting Baptist hospitals, not once, I never heard them mention the Jewish hospitals, or any other religious hospitals, it was always about what it would do to the Catholic Church!
  
  As far as the USA not being mention in bible prophecy, lets take a closer look at bible prophecy and see if can’t find the greatest country in the history of mankind:
  “And the women was given the two wings a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
  Now there are four things that we should take notice of in this verse of scripture, the woman, the great eagle, the wilderness, and the serpent. First, the woman represents the church, I assume you understand that much. Now this woman [the church] was given two wings of a great eagle, the great eagle is the USA, the eagle is the seal of the United State its even on our currency, pull a dollar out of your pocket and look on the back and you will see a big eagle looking back at you. Do yourself a little research and you will that U.S. eagle plays a major role in end time prophecy. Now where this great eagle flies the woman, it was into the wildness! When this took place the U.S was mostly wildness, it wasn’t the great country that it is today. Now the serpent represents the old Roman Empire and the pope, now where did the people run to escape from the serpent, the Pope? They ran to the wildness of the United States of America, The Great Eagle!
  Now I’m disappointed that you didn’t have the spiritual discernment to see this, if we stop playing Satan’s partisan politics these thing will be revealed us.
  Do you really believe that the greatest nation ever known to man is not mention bible prophecy?
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  tussinposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You lost me at the Holy Roman Empire including the USA. Are you posting here from an alternate dimension or something?
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Roman Empire is not USA.
  USA will not exist after we will be caught up. Roman Empire will be in the territory of Old Roman Empire. Read the Bible.
  But I am not interested to discuss who does not want to learn.
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  r-o-yposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  the Roman Empire is a European power, the U.S. is of that same European power, it is just accross the waters from the main land Europe and is an arm of that same power. however the US goes Europr goes. ok i'm ready to learn show me in the bible where it states that this Empire is just mainland Europe, you want find that, what you will find is that the bible states that this Empire conquers the whole inhabited earth, including Christinaity for a time. The whole world be apart of the Roman Empire!
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  r.o.y. I do nor believe it only I know it. I made my home work and was teaching on Book of Revelation for years.
  The problem I have you have useless opinion on republican party. It is opposite democrats are socialists in most cases. Socialism is evil.
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  Attikosposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Nero has come back, again, and registered to vote as a Republican? Who knew?
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Emile Rposted 11 years ago

Sure. Why not? The elephant is their symbol. It has two tusks/horns. That's close enough for me.
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Donkey was always symbol of dummies.
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  r-o-yposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  just in case you didn't know i am not a democrate i vote for no one or party, because the Lord says to not get caught up in the affiars of this world. if my home is heaven, than i'm just a visitor here, on a mission for the King!
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  r-o-y hm. The heaven is not certainly our permanent home. Otherwise we would be an angels. We will return back.
  If you do not vote you vote for devil. This is what he want. He want to have here socialism and final communism.
  Jeff, Antichrist will come from territory of Roman empire. Please look for map of Roman Empire.
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  r-o-yposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Vladimir, wither or not heaven is our permanent or not is not the question, it is to be our home for some period of time. As for as us being angels, Jesus said that we are to be equal to the angels, now what’s it all involves, I don’t know but we will be just like the angels!
  
  You said if I do not vote I’m voting for the devil, but it’s just the opposite to vote for the Pope’s Republican Party is vote for the devil! There were a two party religious political system when Jesus walked the earth just as we have here today. Both claim to be the party of God, just as the Republicans claim today, yet Jesus warned His disciples to have no part in neither political party. These political parties were the Pharisees and the Sadducees at no time Jesus point His disciples to the political parties, He pointed them to heaven for all answers to their problem, we live by faith not by vote! As far as them bringing socialism I do believe that it is closer to what Jesus wants for us than capitalism. Capitalism breads greed! It’s a total failure! You a few filthy rich people with more money than they will ever need while there are children sleeping on the street eating out of dumpsters. Do you think that the Lord would call that a just system? Socialism:
  
  A political system of communal ownership= a political theory or system in which the means of production and distribution and are controlled by the people and operated according to equity and fairness rather than market principle.
  
  Did you know that it was Jesus’ disciple that that started socialism in the first place? Did you know that?
  
  “And the multitudes of them that believe were of one heart and one soul: neither said any of them that ought of these things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things in common.” [Acts 4:32]
  Capitalism is a failure!
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  r.o.y. you are confused.
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Jeff Berndtposted 11 years ago
No, it isn't.

But it's no crazier than (or just as crazy as, depending on how you want to look at it) the competing theory that Obama is the Antichrist.
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paradigmsearchposted 11 years ago
We need some more religion threads on HP. There aren't nearly enough.
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  internpeteposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  haha
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Disappearingheadposted 11 years ago
To answer the question, if I was brought up in 'Christian' America, I'd probably have all sorts of crazy ideas about beasts of Revelation, as I'd probably just accept whatever the know nothing preacher said rather than go studying myself.
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  r-o-yposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you 100% when you say a person should study the bible for themselves and not let the preacher do their studying for them. But in this case we need to add something to our bible study, and that’s a study of history to see if it bears out what scripture says about the Pope of the Republican Party. When we look at the history of the Catholic Church its no doubt that this Luciferian Church and its Pope is the anti-Christ of Revelation, if you believe the word of God. In a study of the bible we find that this anti-Christ pope and his organization was to receive a fatal blow, this happened in the 17th century when France enter Vatican and dragged the Pope out in chains, that was the fatal blow that fulfilled bible prophecy. The Catholic Church no longer had the power to make the power to make the world tremble. Now here’s the part where most people reads pass without giving must study to, that fatal blow to the Catholic Church and the Republican Pope would be healed and the Pope and the Catholic Church would rise to power again. Now this is from bible study, not from some know nothing preacher. Now what we are witnessing in the Republican Party is the second part of that prophecy being fulfilled, the return to power of the Pope. Now for the Pope to rise to point of being able to have the power to take over the world as a study of the bible shows it will need the power of the most power military in the world, it just stands to reason that the Pope’s first line of duty is a takeover of that military power, and where is that power to take over the world as the bible stated he would do? It’s the mighty US military. The Vatican has no military power to take over the world; it must have the alliance of the nation that has the machinery to pull it off. Yes that fatal head wound to the Pope is being fulfilled before our very eyes through the Pope’s Republican Party!
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  roy I am conservative but I do not have pope my friend. You are so wrong. No logic or faith.
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internpeteposted 11 years ago
This thread has earned my vote for most idiotic argument! I must leave the forums before I find more, as I am sure there are many many more. Cheers!
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  r-o-yposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  any body can make off handed statement like this. prove me to be wrong and then you have done something!
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  Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I read your previous post about the pope and the Republican party How do you expect someone to prove you wrong? If you honestly see anything of substance in that strung out fantasy of a conspiracy theory...would you listen to a rational rebuttal?
  
  You can't prove someone wrong when they will use wild and unsubstantiated theories to insist they are right.
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  r-o-yposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  The bible identify the Pope as the anti-Christ of Revelation and that he will lead the world to a war that would destroy all flesh if the Lord didn’t step in to stop him, now if that’s a strung out fantasy of a conspiracy, than you must take that up with the Lord because it was He that put it out there, I’m just reminding you of what He said! Now if you believe the bible to be the word of God than the pope and his organization is the worst thing to happen to mankind. And if the pope and his organization is that evil as the bible states than a true Christian would have no part in anything he and his people are involved in under any circumstances. The bible warns us to flee from “Mystery Babylon” you don’t party up with them, your job as a spokesman for the Lord is to expose them.
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  Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Please point out where the office of the pope is referenced in the Bible. You see what you want to see. Not, necessarily, what is there.
  
  A more constructive endeavor might be to try and understand where your animosity that makes you want to see that comes from and come to grips with it.
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  r-o-yposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  i'm not sure of what you are saying, are you that the pope is not the anti-Christ of Revelation?
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  Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Pretty much. And your claim that the Pope would use American military might to complete his evil agenda was just as weird.
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  r-o-yposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  ok, i just wanted true Christians of that party to see what it is that they are dealing with. i must go now i have some verythings to do i'm not going to go round for round about weither not the pope is the anti-Christ because its been proven from the bible and world histroy that he is the evil fiend that the bible says he is. all the argument for and aginst have been done over and over. all this is going to do is to make this discussion become cirular!
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  Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Like I said in the beginning. No one can prove you wrong because it's what you really, really want to believe. I just wonder what makes someone want to believe that and be willing to close their mind to reality, or reason, so that it can be accomplished.
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  Attikosposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  The beast was the emperor Nero. Unless he has been resurrected, he isn't going to use the US military for anything much.
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  jacharlessposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Certainly, and thanks for requesting such:
  
  a. These beasts are simply pictorials during the time prior to and after the events of Restoration. There is no Rapture mentioned anywhere in the text, nor another Great Tribulation. This is false doctrine. Additionally, the doctrines [about] demons is also false, as there are no such entities. Nor is there such an entity named Satan aka Lucifer who controls said beasts.
  
  But, again, another who seems more interested, fascinated and down right worshiping the "End Times" demonology, versus walking in spirit, as they were commanded.
  
  And please, for the love of pi r squared, read the Letter correctly. Especially "chapter one, verse one, line one". It tells you what the e n t i r e letter is about. And chapter 20.5-6 tells you when it happened.
  
  "Bless Your Heart", Wayne Newton, License To Kill
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  r-o-yposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You say these beasts are simply pictorial during the time prior to and after the events of restoration. Show me in scripture where it states that this is the case, or am I to just take your word on it, without any scriptural evidence? I never mention anything about a rapture, but according to scripture the Great Tribulation is at the end of time when knowledge would be greatly increased, when traveling all over the earth as never before. This great increase in knowledge only happened in the pass one hundred years, so that throws your theory clean out the door. This Great Tribulation comes after the construction of the third temple, that event hasn’t taken place yet, it is still in the future. Before this takes place Jerusalem is to become an international city with all the kings of the world going in and out of it. Again this hasn’t taking place yet, and this want happen until the United Nations are from the US to Jerusalem, than all the kings of the earth will going in and out of Jerusalem, as the word of God fore told!
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  jacharlessposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  The great increase of knowledge came from the Adamic Inception, not the increase of "general knowledge". The knowledge spoken of is the Knowledge of God ("For man has become like God knowing Reason"), which completes the Adamic Inception and releases people from the authority of the mind they are slaves to. So again, false doctrine on your part.
  
  It is believed that once the increase of knowledge is complete and the gospel preached to all the world, so comes the End Time Prophecies fulfilled. Sadly, this could not be further from the Truth. All prophecy has been fulfilled. Do you know why and by whom? Because, it states in text Yon was the last prophet who would SEE Messiah. Because after the last prophet would come Moshiach who would -watch carefully- fulfill all prophecy, by his own hand, as was ordained from the beginning. The Law AND the Prophets placed upon him, fulfilled and removed forever.
  
  In Rev 20.5-6 it clearly states when this happened. And I quote: "And this is the first resurrection. Blessed are those who partake of the first resurrection because the second of death has no authority over them". When did the first resurrection happen? When was the Kingdom with no temple in it restored? ( See Rev 21. exactly ten lines after this statement).
  
  The building of a third temple means absolutely nothing. NO WHERE in text does it say a third temple will be built. There will be no reinstatement of animal sacrifice. There will be no computer chipping of 7.6 billion humans in 3 1/2 years, then the battle ultimate, on a 3x6km strip of land, in a country the size of New Jersey -politely paused for the whisking away (aka Rapture) then all bloody hell break loose. {Because hell no longer exists after the grave was defeated at the resurrection.
  
  You've been falsely instructed by yet another wolf in sheep clothing. Go and seek first the Kingdom of Heaven, not the end time nonsense...
  
  Cheers.
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  Disappearingheadposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  +1
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  Attikosposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  It's up to you to prove your argument right, not up to anyone else to prove it wrong. In fact, it is not right.
  
  Revelation is an example of "Apocalyptic literature," an artistic form practiced by Jewish writers from the end of the Babylonian Captivity until the destruction of the Jewish state by the Romans. It uses symbolism and traditional techniques to state meaning, and was never intended to be taken literally. It is the only Apocalyptic work the early church included in its selection of then available documents out of which it formed the New Testament, though others are in the Old, and it is just that: an example of a common literary form of the time of Christ, written specifically to encourage some local churches to steadfastness in the faith in the face of the deprivation and death heaped upon them and all other officially unaccepted religious sects by the Roman state, which was attempting to restore its old pagan pantheon in order to restore the people to what it considered social health. Revelation is all about a persecution that was underway when it was written. It is not a factual prophecy of the future. That reading is a recent one. It did not exist until John Nelson Darby in the nineteenth century.
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  r-o-yposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I have proven my argument with scripture evidence its up to you to prove through scripture that my evidence is flawed! Now I agree with you most of what you said about Revelation being “Apocalyptic literature” and much of is in the form of metaphors, but this prophecy didn’t just come from Revelation it is also spoken of in the book of Daniel and in other places. So how do you account for prophecy of Daniel on the timing of this event, when he gives us evidence of what to watch for just prior the event? Are we to take his prophecy literally, about the great in in knowledge when it is happening just as he foretold. In Revelation is the story of the return of Son of Man are we not to take it literally because it is found in Revelation, there many things in Revelation that are to be taken literary! In Revelation Jesus said that He is Alfa and Omega the beginning and the end of all things, the Almighty! Is this not to be taken literary because it is found in the Book of Revelation? Some things in the book are to be taken literary, we can’t just throw whole book out as not to be taken literary!
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lone77starposted 11 years ago
No, I don't think it's the Republican party.

More likely it's the rich elite -- Mammon -- which controls so much of America:
* Corporate Party media
* Both Republican and Democratic parties
* Hollywood
* Food industry
* Pharmaceuticals
* Medical industry
* Military industrial complex
* Big oil
* and a whole lot more...

The late Aaron Russo gave an interview (available on YouTube) wherein he related that the Rockefellers want to have everyone microchipped -- the mark of the Beast. Without this, no one will be able to buy or sell anything.

For several years, the news has been touting this as some kind of Brave New World wonder device. A recent news magazine showed how VIPs at a night club could pay by flashing their microchip embedded hand in front of a scanner. Cool, huh? And the latest James Bond thriller has 007 getting his own microchip. And who doesn't want to be like 007?

Count me out! Those who wear the mark of the beast are condemned.

The presidents and congressmen are puppets, bought and paid for by the Rockefellers and their pals.
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  r-o-yposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you, this is my point, they are all corrupt bought and paid for by big bunisses! the main point that i'm trying to get accross to true Christians, is that it is not just one side that is corrupt, but both parties. but what make it so file on the part of the republicans is that they are stealing in the name of the LORD!
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, come on roy, the thief's are infected people by socialistic materialism.
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  r-o-yposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  the only reason that the socialist system that the Lord instertuded is not working is because it is run by sinful and gready men, but if it was done by men of God by God the rule it would be the the better of the two systems. but how can inperfect man produce any thing perfect. there would be no need for greed everyone already owns everything!
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  It is crazy to compare kingdom of God with devil's socialism. One day you will be taken in account what you are doing.
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  r-o-yposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  “And the multitudes of them that believe were of one heart and one soul: neither said any of them that ought of these things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things in common.” [Acts 4:32]
  That’s God instituted socialism, you just called what God said is good for His people evil and of the devil, you are on dangerous ground here! Everything that God has given to man has been abused and corrupted by man! It man’s greed that has corrupted the system just as man has corrupted the system of capitalism is man’s greed in both system that’s the problem, and not the system itself.
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  There is no Biblical evidence that God commanded to have everything common. It is abnormal. They decided it on their own. Only credit they have that they listen Word daily. They did not have any books or Bible.
  Then they stop to work and hunger came. There were no initiatives for work. Bible said who do not work should not eat. New Covenant is over with the Law and the rules. I think I wrote Hub on this subject. People should go daily to listen Word and the same time goes to work.
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  r-o-yposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  the end!
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Don Crowsonposted 11 years ago
The Republican Party is not a worl-wide political party. The Republican Party believes in less government --not more. The Beast will seek control of people's lives. Regulate, and tax. Look at the dictators of the world and tell us which ones want less regulations and less control.
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  r-o-yposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I agree that the Republican Party is not a world-wide political party, but the head of that party which is the Pope is a world-wide religious/political figure just as the bible says the beast spring from. Let’s us not forget this is also about the love of money! We witness the result of no regulation in 2008, with no regulations Wall St. under the Bush administration went mad! With no regulation the pharmaceutical companies robs elderly people who is struggling to pay the outrages prices for their life-line, while the GOP line their pockets with the kick-backs from the companies they help to avoid regulation that would put a cap on how much they could charge these poor helpless people. Do you truly believe in your heart that the lord is in any part of this? “The Lord said the love of money is at the root of all evil” what we have here is capitalism out of control! And the GOP is playing the leading role in it. It is the pagan democrats who are fighting for the helpless old people while the so-called Party of God have their foot on the necks of these helpless children of God. When they stand before God in the judgment they will be without excuse!
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  Don Crowsonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  There were plenty of regulators, and warnings were given. the problem was that the regulator5s were watching porn on their computers. That is not a Bush problem, that is a government problem.
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  r-o-yposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  So now you have someone in there trying to fix it and all you are doing is blocking it every step of the way. What about the young people trying to get an education, we have the pagan president fighting to make it affordable for these young people. The president is trying to save the lives of the sick and elderly by making it affordable for them to get the medicine to keep them alive and you are blocking it every step of the way. And what is the reason you give for this inexcusable beheaverior? It’s always the same answer, it going to cost too much money. But you can find the money to invade another’s country to keep the oil flowing to this country. But when it comes to helping the poor we are running out of money. That’s all we here from your people it’s always about money, America is not hurting for money. If one tenth of the money is giving back to America that they have loaned to or given to other country America could buy every country in the world! They always have money to give to other countries, but when it comes to helping the sick and needy of this country you are always crying that we are broke, bull! Look the health care controversy, even one of your own judges voted against you, he probably released the injustice of striking down something that is going to help so many fellow American! Man, how do you and peep sleep at night? Probably just fine!
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Don Crowsonposted 11 years ago
r-o-y 32 minutes ago:

YSo now you have someone in there trying to fix it and all you are doing is blocking it every step of the way.

You assume that the president is the only one who wants to helop and the only one who knows how. You are wrong n that assumption
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What about the young people trying to get an education, we have the pagan president fighting to make it affordable for these young people.

The cost of education is increasing and has been for many years. College graduates cannot find jobs, and you think making education affordable will solve that problem. Money is wasted on education. If people go through school and take a lifetime to repay the loan what have they accomplished. the president is looking at the wrong problem. He should be creating jobs. He isn't doing that, is he?
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The president is trying to save the lives of the sick and elderly by making it affordable for them to get the medicine to keep them alive and you are blocking it every step of the way.

The president is using fines and taxes to create more expensive medical costs. Does his plan increase the mnumber of doctors or hospitals? No, So he is not helping health care?

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And what is the reason you give for this inexcusable beheaverior? It’s always the same answer, it going to cost too much money.

When I was a child, I thought as a child. My Dad could afford everything. Boy, was I wrong. Everything costs money, and you cannot afford everything. Can you. Well, you can go buy your own health care if you can afford everything..

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But you can find the money to invade another’s country to keep the oil flowing to this country.

So you forgot that the pipeline was not built. That the president does not allow American companies to drill in the gulft, and he even gives other countries money to drill for oil. What are you talking about to keep the oil flowing in this country. Solyndra? Hey, a few billion wasted on green energy n=because the big bad oil companies were getting rich.
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But when it comes to helping the poor we are running out of money. That’s all we here from your people it’s always about money,

Ecclestes 10:19 says that money answers all thing. so it is about money, isn't it?
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America is not hurting for money. If one tenth of the money is giving back to America that they have loaned to or given to other country America could buy every country in the world! They always have money to give to other countries, but when it comes to helping the sick and needy of this country you are always crying that we are broke, bull!

So you believe we are rich when we borrow 42 cents of every dollar we spend? That sounds as though we are broketo me.
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Look the health care controversy, even one of your own judges voted against you, he probably released the injustice of striking down something that is going to help so many fellow American! Man, how do you and peep sleep at night? Probably just fine!

Yew, he said it was Constitutional but was not wise. The beginning of wisdo=m is the Fear of the Lord. And that wisdom includes the stewardship of money. Our government is governing as children. they refuse to grow up.
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  r-o-yposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I have watched for the past three + years for something from this group besides them trying to make sure that this president is in for one term only their stated main goal! I would think that after destroying the economy and millions of jobs that their main goal would be to fix what they destroyed. They did nothing but watch as the country was about to maybe go into a depression. At least this man tried to do something, they did nothing! The auto industry was about to be destroyed and what was their solution to this problem, let fail! Can you image an America without auto manufacturing? The banks were about to go under, and what was their attitude toward that, let them fail! If they had their way do you realize the fix this country would be in right now? Now what I saw and many others saw is that a so-called Party of God would rather see this country destroyed than to see this man in a second term, now that is some deep stuff right there!
  There are some very deep under currents here, and its more than just politics! What I see is a group people that is angry because an out-sider had come and invaded their club. And what is their club? It’s called the good old white boys club. Let’s not play games and pretend that this attitude doesn’t exist. Now I know that everyone that don’t agree with President Obama’s don’t disagree because of his race, but you can’t tell me that are many who believe that he over stepped his boundary and it shows. But this kind of talk is politically incorrect!
  If we can’t judge correctly here among men how in the world are we going to judge angels? You call him a socialist because he is trying to help the helpless, but I tell you that his so-called socialism is more closer to what God would have for His people than your capitalist system. Let prove this by going to the word of God, even though I know that the word of God has lost its meaning to most who call themselves Christians, but let’s go there anyway:
  Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
  Act 4:33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
  Act 4:34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
  Act 4:35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
  Act 4:36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
  Act 4:37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
  Act 5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
  Act 5:2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
  Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
  Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
  Act 5:5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
  
  Now some may say that this wasn’t a command of the Lord, it was sanctioned by The Holy Spirit and had his approval. But not American wants to hear this would get in the way of the American dream, never mind God’s dream for the welfare of all His children.
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You still do not see it. It is socialists destroying economy on purpose to tear down our best free country, which use to be. I do have state board from political economy in Socialistic country. I know well what Karl Marx said. Destroy everything one can.
  True Christian never cold be socialist.
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  r-o-yposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  What you don’t see is that someone comes along and abuses the system that God has put in place, the only system that could possibly be just to all its citizens, because someone abuses that system and twist it for their person profit does not mean that the itself is at fault. Take for instants, the Lord command that we pay our tides so that the church can pay for the up keep of the temple. Now all one has to do is turn on the TV to just about to any televangelist show and see how this command has been used and twisted by these TV preachers to pocket millions. They have abuse it to make themselves filthy rich? It must still be the right thing to do because God said it’s the right thing to do. God did not change his mind because of man’s greed and his stealing from the collection plate. It is still the right thing to do because God said it is! If mankind is a family and all are brothers and sister than they should have all things in common!
  
  When the family go to the market to buy food they do not say this is your pork chops, this is his rice, this is her potatoes, this is grand ma’s Kool-Aid, no the family have all things in common.
  
  Because man misuse and abuse a system that God put in place does not mean that God made a mistake it just needs to be done the way God had intended to be done in the first place! Be careful calling what God has said is good for His family on earth evil and of the devil because of man’s misuse of that system!
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  Jeramiposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  This story about Ananias, and Sapphira is about THAT Hebrew nation’s end of days.
  It is about everything which is written in Matthew 24, “Let them which are in Judea flee into the mountains..”
  They were selling everything they had and fleeing Judea in many groups sitting up many new settlements. They were not setting a president as to how future generations were supposed to do ANYTHING!
  Prophesy was being fulfilled and … “They Knew IT ”
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r-o-yposted 11 years ago
Help me out here, I’m trying to find that verse of scripture where it say this about the Hebrew nation’s end of days. I not saying that it’s not there but that I’m having trouble finding it, I would like to read it for myself and see if I get the same message from that verse of scripture.
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Jerami, one can may do any doctrine from the Bible using out of context. Your teaching is unacceptable.
  r-o-y, I just published Hub: PROGNOSIS OF SOCIALISM. Glad to give you link.
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  Jeramiposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  What would happen if you were given directions as to how to get from one side of town to the other ; headed north on third street, take a left turn onto mainstreet and go three miles. Turn right and travel 1 1/2 miles etc. etc. but you tried to use them in a diffrent town?
  
  Some people would say "God works in mysterious ways" and proceed.
  
  Scripture isn't supposed to be a mystery!
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  r-o-yposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  you are doing a lot of talking but not saying anything!
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  Jeramiposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Who were the prophets sent to ? ... not the Romans but that Hebrew nation which God singled out to make a covenant with.
  
  Who were these prophesies given to ? Certainly not the persians or Greeks!
  These prophesy were given to "That Hebrew Nation" which they were delivered to.
  
  Can I take YOUR promisary note to the bank and call it MINE?
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  Jeramiposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Those verses are scattered out ... through out scripture.
  We can't see the forest cause all those trees which stand in the way.
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  r-o-yposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I think you have misunderstood my question, all that about the Hebrew nation is fine, but show me scripture that links that to Acts 5:3
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  Jeramiposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe it is only my opinion ? but all scripture is supposed to be interrelated,if it doesn't then it doesn't belong.
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Don Crowsonposted 11 years ago
So tell us why the commands in Acts 4 are no longer being prcticed by all Christians. If it is the command of the Holy Spirit, why do so many who are filled with the Holy Spirit not teach Communism as the Kingdom of God. And why do those who practice Communism let the poor starve or put them in prison?

Well, it is really simple. The Holy spirit speaks to individuals--not government. The Holy Spirit acts through individuals --not government. Governments who practice Socialism and Copmmunism seek to destroy God. If you can figure that one out, you will understand why the Founders gave us the Constitution that has given people the greatest freedom in history.

Dictators dictate. they do not like the constitution that sets men free. They want to enslave because they have a lust for power.
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  r-o-yposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Now you are playing trying to play tricks in keeping with typical GOP deception I never mention anything about communism as it is practice today. I made it perfectly that clear as it is applied today is a corrupted and twisted and abused version of a system that God put in place for his disciple!
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  Don Crowsonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  And that is exactly where it remained. Therefore, what the president does today is not really the work of the Holy spirit and cannot be anything but deception to those who believe it is.
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  r-o-yposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  So, the Holy Spirit would have not part of in helping to stopping the rich and powerful from trampling the helpless? So the Holy Spirit has nothing to do with seeing to it that a person is paid his rightful due for a day’s work. So the Holy Spirit has nothing to do with a woman receiving equal pay as a man for during equal work as a man. So the Holy Spirit would nothing to do with the rich and powerful paying their fair share taxes. So the Holy Spirit would have nothing to do with seeing to it that the old folks are not robbed by the pharmaceutical companies. So the Holy Spirit would have nothing to do with stopping insurance companies ripping people off. So the Holy Spirit would have nothing to do the thievery on Wall St. so the Holy Spirit would have nothing to with stopping the banks stopping the big banks from gambling with the gambling with other people’s money.
  
  Boy, I don’t know what holy spirit you are in-touch with, but one thing is for sure, it’s not the Holy Spirit of the Holy Bible!
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Jeramiposted 11 years ago
If prophesy doesn't fulfill itself exactly as it is prophesied ????? then it isn't prophesy. The early Christians knew this.
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  r-o-yposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  i'm still waiting for you to give me that verse of scripture!
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  Jeramiposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  It is there for those that have eyes to see.
  Around 30 AD Jesus gave these prophesy which are written in Matthew 24.
  
  He said that these things will happen in "THAT" generation but no one knows what DAY or hour.
  For the next 30 years everyone living in Judea witnessed all of these things, Jesus talked about, come to pass.
  
  Most all of Jesus's followers had left before Paul began searching the countryside for them. In 62 AD there was a great earthquake "in divers places" which destroyed Pompei.
  
  There is no single verse making the connection for which you seek.
  THE ENTIRE STORY SHOUTS IT.
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  r-o-yposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Ok' so you finially admitt it! so therefore all this other mess is coming from your imagenation and twisted use of the word of God!
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  Jeramiposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  If you don't see it then you don't see it! which makes it false in your eyes.
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Jerami, we know that Jesus was predicting about Jewish disaster in 70 AD, So what? Jesus said also that it will be like Sodom and Gomorrah. That statement is applicable to the end time also since in general principle is that sin give birth of curse. That's all. I would like to know what sources and authors you are using to your writing? Credentials? Are you Christian, Catholic or what? I did not hear it yet. I mean confession of faith etc. Do you speak Hebrew and Greek?
  It is absolutely nonsense to talk about Ananias and Zapphira representing Israel. This is off the wall. If I will tell you I am Pope you will believe me?
  The dispersion came according to Deuteronomy 28. But God gave grace that not all Jews were crucified and not wiped out completely. If you would like to learn Hebrew I will give you tip.
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  Jeramiposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  been having electric interruptions.
  = - = -
  Jerami, we know that Jesus was predicting about Jewish disaster in 70 AD, So what?
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  me I agree ... part of the chapter was talking about the destruction of the temple and everything else that was going on at that time. The rest of the same chapter was talking about other stuff which happened to that Hebrew nation which came to its End Of Days around 138 AD.
  
  You would like to know what sources and authors I am using in my writing ?
  Answer ... Daniel, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
  
  As far as my confession of faith ??? I believe in the God of Abraham. I believe that Jesus was the Messiah as was foretold in the OT. I believe he fulfilled all prophesy concerning him. As he said he would.
  I also believe that in 96 AD, John's revelation concerning a religious entity rising up out of the sea, that demanded that ALL, free and bond, rich and poor; worship it, was fulfilled approx 330 years later.
  
  I believe that this entity mistranslated and misinterpreted many things which are written in our bibles.
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Jerami, you better read in originals.
  And also interpreting the scripture is not pravit matter. And you know it.
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  Jeramiposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  When a person speeks several languages they are called bilingual
  When a person speeks only one ... we are called Americans.
  
  All that I can do is to read that which I can .... American.
  
  And I try to read that with the least amount of interpretation to that which is written as I possibly can.
  In so doing; it is crucial as to where we begin.
  
  I began with the book of Daniel ... reading these prophesy ; taking nothing into account that had not yet been written. Attempting to understand these passages as they would have been understood at that time. Attempting to NOT interject mine nor anyone elses interpretation.
  Try it ... It is more difficult than you can imagine.
  To read exactly what is written; no more and no less than what is written.
  Would that be considered as a personal INTERPRETATION ?
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  Jeramiposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Scriptures as a whole does contain different private interpretations for the individual.
  
  It is "prophesy" in scripture which contains NO Private Interpretation!
  
  How are we supposed to go about reading prophesy in scripture without inflicting our own private interpretation upon it.? There must be some way of doing it.
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Jerami, prophecy under the grace is not future telling or tool of manipulation. It is strictly only for edifying Body of Anointed One.
  Any strife brings man under the law and bondage of the Law. Blessing to you.
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  Jeramiposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I can't remember where I read it .... but I did, that prophesy was given so that when they do come to pass, this proves the rest of scripture. Or something very similar to that.
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Don Crowsonposted 11 years ago
If we need to apply Christian principle to Acts 5:3, let's really apply it. The money belonged to God--not the government. Therefore, when the government takes the money from the church, it is violating Christian principle. That is right there in the tax code. Separation of church and state.
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