Good News
The Atheist Bus ad campaign is working well. Thousands have recanted their beliefs and the rationalist movement is spreading.
Except for Tony Blair, who has decided that if he wants to make a lot of money on the American lecture tour, he better get god pretty quickly.
- Leta Sposted 15 years ago
0Haha! I'm not exactly an atheist, but I can absolutely appreciate this!
But the mis-religious do not need planes. Of course that is always one of the ironies I enjoy when some one typing on a computer argues that science is BS and the world was created last week by a magical, invisible super being.
Oh, I didn't mean you specifically. But I have heard the argument on many occasions. By people using a computer to communicate
It is a good campaign.
I have never made fun of your work of FICTION. The people who believe it as a literal truth and say that there is an invisible magical super being who will judge me after I die?.............. perhaps.
"Ignorance filled vomit."? Nice - you must be a christian.
As for knowing what I am talking about. What makes you think I do not know what I am talking about. And what exactly did I say that is vomit? Please feel free to use the quote facility.
I guess you can't take a joke either. I will have to explain myself I suppose - In geological terms, 6,000 years ago is last week
Although I guess you are one of those back peddling now. Well, it is just a parable. It doesn't literally mean 7 days. It means whatever that scientist has now proven to be correct. Any christians who still believe that are not proper christians
Before you start attacking me because I do not share your beliefs - I suggest you take a little time to think about what I actually said here and ask yourself why it scared you so.Hello.........there.........................! Are you kidding me?
I think your verbiage is vomit because it is. Atheist or not, that doesn't have anything to do with it. I think you need to quit hiding under that cloak your wearing and be smarter about the words you use and to what references your poking fun at before you get schooled about it. That has to be embarrassing.
I am NOT attacking you on your beliefs. Where did you get that? I believed I mentioned how I appreciated the buses advertisement, the billboards. I get a kick out of that crap. I don't have any problems with people and their beliefs. I, as a Philosopher and teacher of World Religion, actually enjoy people with different beliefs other than my own. That's what makes my job GREAT!
As for the vomit comment, YOU were referencing or "joking" about a topic you clearly know every little about. I can't tolerate ignorance in any form or nature. You know, so what if others believe the Creation Story to be a non-fictional story. So what???? You know, George Lucas believes in Star Wars. He believes it in his heart and mind. He believed in it so much that he built a compound to make it real. Tolken, invented a 'elfin' language because he believed his writings to be realistic and the world in which he created real.
Another thing, I think your verbiage, used in referencing too Christians, is crap... hence "vomit". Own it, be proud of that... But don't chastise me for calling a spade a spade. If you think of yourself in higher regards, talk like it. Till then... what else do you expect from a person like me??? Praise and a Star for your commentary?? Your barking up the wrong tree here, if you think that.
Also, I can't argue with you whether their is a God or not. My 14 yr old son is an Atheist. He believes in absolutely NOTHING! Where as my husband, the Agnostic and Engineer believes that since it can't be proved there in lies the doubt. My 13yr old is a Christian and I am a Fideist. I believe in Christ, but I also believe in many other religions to be a source to God. So since you like to stero-type and give people religious titles, what am I? I have raised an Atheist, married an Agnostic, raised a Christian, and I'm a Fideist.
So you tell me Atheist, how do you like me now? Are you back peddling and changing your view of this "Christian, Buddhist, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, Shinto, Taoist, etc... person? Be realistic here. You know you lumped me in the pot as a "stero-typical" Christian. You'd think that now a days, you'd know better than that. It just isn't fair nor is it right to stero-type or classify someone based off a belief, lifestyle, or culture. That is stupidity pure and simple. Being Atheist doesn't have anything to do with it. Your personal unique character traits is what causes that. BY THE WAY: Did I say your words were worthless because I believe in Christ? Man, please quit with the assumptions.
FACT:
1 I believe you to be a foolish bully who happens to be an Atheist!!!
2 I don't know how to back peddle. Let us get that clear right now.
Back peddling...please, lol.
3 Maybe it is YOU who has a chip on their shoulders and a hard-on against Christians.
If that's the case- say so- OWN up to IT! Wear it with pride and stop being a bully.
Plain and simple; be respectful and maybe I won't think your words are vomit. Be smart about what you say and maybe I'd respect your place. Till then... VOMIT and TRASH!!!Not able to be specific then? It is vomit because it is. Hmmmm. Great argument. Not.
Cloak - what cloak. I have always been as up front as I can be about everything I say. Not embarrassed at all actually. And the rest of your garbage made no sense at all. Perhaps you could try it again - in English?
What do you not understand about Atheism being a lack of belief? Even though you think it is crap apparently. I happen to believe christianity is garbage. Did I not make that clear? But you seem to have a problem with that. No?
Yes. Ignorance. Speaking of ignorance. What does it matter if some one wants to keep their child out of the school system to teach them that creation is actual fact? And tries to force others to believe it? And if you don't think that is the case, watch the first video in this post -
http://markpknowles.com/why-make-fun-of-creationists/
As for the other rubbish about Tolkein - not worth a response. I don't see anyone pushing this as a belief system.
Crap and vomit? What did I say exactly? I am proud of everything I say or write. I know, it goes against your beliefs therefore it is crap and vomit. But you don't have any problems with other people's beliefs.
I don't like or dislike you. You were the one that attacked me because I made fun of people who believe in a magical, invisible super being.
No you said my words were worthless for your own reasons. Quite honestly I don't care what you think. You are aggressive, nasty, foul mouthed and ignorant. You sure you are not a christian?
You might want to look up the word "fact" in a dictionary. It doesn't usually start with the words "I believe"
Oh - you managed to work out that I think most christians are hypocritical bullies? And their religious beliefs are a joke? Wow - did you work that out all on your own, or did I give you a few clues?
Respect needs to be earned. And attacking my refusal to believe in the same rubbish you do is unlikely to garner it.
You still managed to avoid my point. What scares you so much about people pointing out the fact that there is not a god and religion is political rubbish?Teach me some manners?
Feel free. Nothing arrogant , condescending or aggressive there. Seriously - buy yourself a decent dictionary.
Ignorant on religion? OK.
As I have said many times, the bible is a great book - but don't try nd make me believe the rubbish that goes with it.
What scares you about atheism? Because you sound scared. Every time I am attacked - as you have attacked me, I wonder at the fear that brings that about.
Waiting on the quotes........ Try not to take them out of context.
-
Yes, there are three christian groups now running counter-campaigns. This is the response from the BHA -
"We entirely support free expression and freedom of belief, and so fully support the right of these Christian groups to place their ads on buses. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Of course, there are differences between the Atheist Bus ads and the new Christian ones and I want to take this opportunity to reflect them.
Our ads were a response to ads run by jesussaid.org whose website promised an eternity of hellfire for non-Christians. Our response message, suggested by comedy writer Ariane Sherine was intended to be reassuring, telling people not to worry and enjoy life, as there was probably no god and so no cause to fear an eternity of hellfire.
Our ads were funded entirely by thousands of individual donors who gave small amounts in an outpouring of popular support for the positive message. The ads now launched in response to our response are funded by organisations or wealthy individuals.
Our ads were positive and peaceful. They didn’t say, for example, that religious people were ‘fools’, unlike one of the response ads being run, which says that "The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God."
Our ads were undogmatic and funny, with the addition of the ‘probably’ in line with the continuing openness of humanists to new evidence and in an echo of previous funny ads, like the Carlsberg ad which stated that it was ‘probably the best lager in the world’. The new ads are dogmatic and declaratory, leaving no room for reason and debate.
Of course, these groups are free to express themselves as they choose. Our ads encouraged people to think for themselves and I am convinced that they will continue to do so."
I signed up and have started promoting their website as soon as I read it.
There is probably no god. I don't know what you do not understand here Andrew. Tell you what - You stop telling me there is a magical invisible superbeing who will judge me if I do not follow the rules you know he has laid down for me to save myself from the original sin I was born with and I will stop saying I don't believe you.
GLORY BE TO THE ALMIGHTY !
The simple fact is that there are a growing number of people who are fed up of having a non-existent god shoved down their throat and have decided to be open about that fact. Some of them (myself included) are even prepared to spend their time and money spreading the word.
Religion has been the bane of our existence for too long and the sooner it is disposed of the better. And if there were any aggressive Muslims, Hindus, whatevers here I would be saying the same things to them.
Personally I find it interesting just how scared you are of me. Which leads me to believe that you, like many others, do not have a genuine belief. Because if you did, whatever I said would drop off of you like water off a duck's back and you would not need to say my sentiments are terrible.
And I suggest you look back through this thread to see who attacked who. Unless you consider a statement of atheism an attack on you?
RFox - good to see you backUh huh!
(Hey, it's as effective as anything else I've said 
)
Is anything effective? I seem to be having trouble explaining my position.
And I thought I was good with words.
Wrath duly noted, wow. I for one am in agreement for voices to be heard but not in agreement to laying ones full wrath upon ONE person for the actions of another. Behind anger lies hurt and nothing wrong with that either. Lets show a little more sensitivity and self control for everybody.
thanksMaybe he was the second born again Christian?
(I'd have said the first, but it would have attracted an obvious response
- jgrimes331posted 15 years ago0
I never said any such thing about Caesar. And yes I am familiar with the bible. (I can even spell Caesar). Try that dictionary I mentioned.
Just christians? Hurting? I think all religions claiming a personal god and a set of instructions are as bad as each other. There are just more christians here.
But as Paraglider pointed out - you, who apparently strives to be christ-like have done nothing but attack me based on the fact that you thought I said something I did not.
Which is the basis of much of my disdain, lack of respect and general intolerance for religionists. They are invariably a "do as I say, not as I do," sort of religion.
Show me and I will respect. Tell me, act the opposite - not usually going to get any respect from me...........
This thread is turning into a personal attack.
Take one
- RFoxposted 15 years ago0
LOL.....
Wow Mark, I see you've been making friends again.....
Last time I went away for a while Misha was almost reported to Homeland Security and now you seem to have a garnered an avid fan
I always find it curious the assumptions people like to make about one another.
I find it quite interesting that jgrimes331 thinks you are ignorant of the Bible...of course she wasn't around 6 months ago for the in depth discussions and debates that occurred when the Religion Forum first came into existence.
Does Mark enjoy poking fun of Christians, attacking their belief system and stirring up lively debate? Yes
Do the Christians on these forums enjoy poking fun of Atheists and sometimes downright attacking Mark personally for his beliefs or lack-there-of? Yes
Do two wrongs make a right? No
Does it make entertaining reading for anyone who stumbles across these threads? Yes
And while some people may wish to demonize Mark or believe him to be the Devil incarnate, he is simply a mere mortal such as the rest of us.
(So do you think they'll believe the last line, Dark Lord? It sounded convincing when I wrote it.)Mere?
Oops....did I say mere? I meant 'mere'raculous.
And I think it's great that in Britain anyone can express their philosophy peacefully on the side of buses and spark some interesting discussions. I don't feel we should ever stop questioning the world around us.
Test every hypothesis for oneself!That's better
Quite right. They were banned in ItalyLol....Banned in Italy....doesn't surprise me. Did the Pope have a hand in that?
I think we should celebrate all philosophies and open dialogue. What are they afraid of?
If the people of Italy are good Catholics why should a few bus slogans change anything?
Makes you wonder...hmmmmmmWell, one of the pope's minions.
I am not wondering. I know their beliefs are pretty tenuous. The more tenuous they are, the more aggressively they defend them and try to spread them.
It is hard to reconcile a belief that the world is 6,000 years old (as some one is doing on another thread) with the overwhelming evidence that it is not. It must drive you crazy.I saw that other thread. Didn't see the point in commenting.
Yes, it has always appeared to me that the most aggressive religious doctrines (particularly ones related to converting others) seem to be perpetuated by people who don't have true faith in their own supposed salvation or belief system.
After all, if you truly believe you have the Golden Ticket to the afterlife, then wouldn't you have a happy carefree attitude towards everything.
I wish I believed my life belonged to God and nothing I do is under my control. Then I would have someone else to blame!May I commend my most recent hub on Predestination. Everything is under control
- Nice. Confused the hell out of the google ads though. At least I know where to buy a hammer now
Not big on apologies then?
Odd that how anyone who doesn't believe is automatically labeled narrow minded. Not that you do stereotypes or anything.
I hear that a lot. "If you just opened your mind to the truth you would see I am right."
If it is any consolation, I despise Muslimist and Feistist hypocrites just as much as the christianists.
I would think, and this is just speculation as I am not as familiar with the British traditions and legal system that "Her Majesty by the Grace of God ..." etc.or her courts would be willing to rule against the existance of God, since "Divine Right" is the basis upon which the monarchy exists. As I said, I'm just guessing and speculating.
We tossed the Monarchy out centuries ago and replaced it with what Harry Turtledove called "Snout Counting".Who knows. One of the goals of the rationalist society is to finally have a secular state. I am game and have complained. Anyone else that wants to can do so here -
http://www.asa.org.uk/asa/how_to_compla … ints_form/
If they had said "There probably is a god," or "I believe there IS a god," they would have got away with it, but..- And, I'm personally becoming less and less enamoured with "snout counting".
OK - thanks for the clarification
- jgrimes331posted 15 years ago0
Yeah. I despise hypocrites of all religionist persuasions. You don't hate, but you have done nothing but attack me because you mistakenly thought I quoted the bible in an ignorant fashion. When it turned out you had made a mistake, you merely redirected your attack.
That fits the description pretty well. I am not interested in your hypocritical wishes of wellness, peace and enlightenment accompanied by telling me I make hate-filled comments, have a dim-witted sense of humor and you pity me. I love you tooI forgot my sarcasm smiley
Irony is lost on most religionists.....
And again I'm confused. Whence the need to define people, to label people? The explanation is simple enough though. If you 'know' what an Xxxist is, it's just plain simple to unleash standard Xxxist-response-'A' against anyone you can categorise as Xxxist. How about thinking? It's not so hard to do (as John Lennon said)
I was actually talking about labelling other people, not yourself. No-one likes to be labelled by someone else because then what usually happens is thought goes out the window as we start addressing the label instead of the person. But as you say, we are all free to call ourselves whatever we like. And we don't have to be American to do that
Well that's good. If she comes back...sorry!
Bigger hug!!!!
Yes - I read that hub where she said that she apologized. You see an apology anywhere?
Edit - In fact, you know what? I object to being treated like an idiot by some one with a bunch of BS beliefs who lies to protect that. This is how it went:
According to this hub -
http://hubpages.com/hub/You-Cant-Please-Everyone
I kept out of that thread and never said a word.
This is also BS. What was actually said was:
So. I was attacked for something I did not say. And as for the Muslimist joke. Too funny. Religionists........
The hub then goes on to say:
This is the thread. Please read through it and see an apology. Good luck, because it is not there.
And you wonder why I despise religionists? Of course, you do not hate. But you will lie and twist to suit. Awesome ! Get me some of that religion please.........
And then she sends me this PM through hubpages:
"I left you a comment on my hub. If you would do so, please read it. That way the next time I allow you post a comment on one of my hubs, you'll know what the f your talking about. I am real tired of fighting with you. Especially since I DID APOLOGIZE to you. So you can see how I am tired of your shit anything to do with you period. I have left you alone. Be so kind to leave me alone. I am very sick of you, I don't like you, I don't respect you, and that is that. I am sure you feel the same about me. From your last post directed at me, I got the sense you think I'm wasted space. I'm okay with that. That suits me just fine. I feel the exact same about you! If you don't feel that way about me; well know this now, I don't care because I STILL DO... So for your information I will NEVER APOLOGIZE for my feelings. But I did apologize to you in Good News. I wrote I'm sorry!!! I think my exact words were, for the sake of your ego, I'm sorry.
Now Scat,
Julie Grimes"
Seriously. WTF is it with you religionists?Hey .. you laughin' at my hug to Sandy 'cuz I never hug you?
Here ... you get a Howie Mandel style [Fist Bump] Man, we agreed on almost everything for two whole days... If I give you a real hug ... people are gonna really start talking ... OK ... You're right after all, Jesus would give you a real hug ... and a kiss on the cheek. (I mean your FACE ... don't even go there) ...
OK, Big Man Hug and Kiss on the Cheek (face)
Right back at ya. But I live in France - I have to kiss men all the time.
We seem to have lost the message here. While Ms. "I love everyone and I am sorry if you are so stupid that you took that as a personal attack I am just human," attacks everyone and labels them according to her right as she lives in the greatest country in the world
The atheist bus campaign is working well and many are turning away from religion as they realize it is a waste of time and fosters hatred and bigotry.
Praise be ! Good news indeed !Ah, life is back to normal you and I are no longer in agreement ... for a while, I was beginning to fear for the safety of the space-time continum!
And in case any one thinks I don't make fun of Muslims -
Or Islamics as they are now known.......Yeah, I didn't see the point of commenting either. The only reason I can think of to start that thread would be to have an argument. Not sure how recognizing proven scientific facts could make you less of a christian. There are far better ways of doing that
Plus I believe I may have already had that particular discussionYou do not need to apologize to me and you have not wasted my time. I like a good argument
anyone will tell you that. "This too shall pass" is the best I can offer, "but not fast enough" is my own addition. 
- newsworthyposted 15 years ago0
LOL
Wouldn't work for Fox if they paid me.
I work for the French (AREVA) But I sure as hell don't kiss them!!!!
Standard greeting here
Chill out and pucker up. It's OK to miss
Well Elvis did spend his final days eating deep fried banana and peanut butter quarterpounder bacon double cheeseburgers (or something very similar) so maybe there was a god of some sort keeping him alive, any normal human being could never eat the ammount he did!
-
Hadn't thought of that.
- jgrimes331posted 15 years ago0
Duh, thanks! I never even noticed that...
Okay, so what does BBcode mean? I can't believe I didn't even see that!
Here is a link to the hubpages explanation:
http://hubpages.com/forum/help/#bbcode
No porn I'm afraid.......Hey thanks guys! Hey did you all here that Stormy Daniels might be running for a Senate seat out of Louisiana? I caught her interview on CNN.
Hey Mark I'm sure you want to let the last couple of days to blow over, like I do. But I want you to know that growing pains can often be painful for me. But you have really enrich my views, and maybe take a good hard look at myself. I can't thank you enough for that. We okay? I would sure like to be... JulieNot a problem.
I try real hard not to take anything personally. Don't always manage it, but I am certainly not offended. I am flattered you chose me to work a few things out. My first wife died some years ago and I know it is hard to deal with. I was very, very angry for some time. Mostly at myself, but it came out in some strange ways that I had almost no control over.
- Leta Sposted 15 years ago0
I find that Fox give a balanced and accurate representation of society. Rupert Murdoch is a true visionary, and I will not hear a bad word said about him and his Trojan and professional team of journalists.
Deeply sorry that I have offended your socialistic "be nice to everybody" tendencies, Sufi.
lolNo, I have seen the true light and decided to become a conservative - Sean Hannity showed me the true path.
You liberals and socialists will not have the fruits of my loins...or was it labour.
Agreed - Loins, small governments meeting in bathtubs, stimulating plans - that sounds like a great party. I'm in - where do I sign?
You must sign in goat's blood (grab one there in your mountainous village and kill it quick) on a certain archaic list. Oh.
You must also give up your soul--just one caveat.
Then you can join the party!! (They don't call them the Grand Old Perverts here in the states for nothing.)
No I doubt it's a photoshop touch up. Advertising companies have used much worse. I found both images on here,
http://tallskinnykiwi.typepad.com/talls … reach.html
I found the link at the top and the images above and below by doing a search for 'could bus ad campaign backfire'. 
"Aww ... look at his wittle horns." "You're a precious devil, yes you are!"I do certainly find it funny just how scary this is to the believers
Complaining to the ASA
And asking the ASA to insist that the claim is substantiated.
So funny. If you can't prove god doesn't exist, that means he does
Let us see how well the complaints against the "There definitely is a god" campaign go. Education is the death of religion. Thank goodness.The atheist bus campaign is a plot by the catholic church? What ever you think.
This web site claims to be the Voice of the Revolutionary Communist Party,USA. It's not surprising to me that the top article on their web site today is "Celebrate Darwin Day 2009". The article sounds like it could have been written by Mark, but I know he's not a communist. So communist revolutionaries still do exist. It wouldn't surprise me if they were behind the atheist movement knowing how anti-God communist Russia was.
Just to put it straight, Russia has given freedom of worship to most religions, but not fully to Catholics. The Pope is still banned from visiting Russia. Priests have to apply for visas, some being denied and some stripped of their visas. Construction of a new cathedral in Pskov was blocked. A 2004 Russian Ecumenical conference excluded Catholicism.I can assure you my political views have nothing to do with my disdain for religion and my atheism.
And I am no communist.
Can't say I blame anyone for despising the Catholic church though. They certainly earned it. And still are. Hitler youth anyone?
You really are very good at twisting words to suit your political beliefs. Oh, I'm sorry - God.
Fear will do that to you.
Related Discussions
- 71
Why do Christians feel the need to tell us about their religious beliefs?
Why do Christians feel the need to tell us about their religious beliefs?I don't have a problem with Christianity or any religion for that matter, but I view religion/spirituality as a personal and privvate matter and feel that it's best kept that way unless one is specifically asked to expand on...
- 374
What are the most annoying responses Christians give to questions atheists ask?
What are the most annoying responses Christians give to questions atheists ask?I'm a christian and I think that it would be helpful in ministry, if Christians new a bit more about how atheists felt about a Christian's rebuttal
- 129
What's wrong with using the bible against christians?
A reader of my local paper (The Spartanburg Herald-Journal www.goupstate.com) sent this comment to our opinion section "The Stroller": TAKE MY CHANCES': "A local reader" observes that as Christmas approaches there seems to be a proliferation of comments from people who tend to...
- 59
Why Do Religious People Get So Angry At Atheists?
Why Do Religious People Get So Angry At Atheists?When it comes to Atheism, most religious people get angry and even combative when it comes to this subject. I wonder why, especially in this day and age, one would feel anger towards another human being with a different perception/outlook/belief....
- 34
If religion eases pain for its follower whats wrong with that?
I am about to sign off for the evening but I just had this question pop into mind. If religion eases pain or gives comfort to someone what is wrong with that?I am not religious, believe in a God concept after a fashion but don't trust religion. I feel very very wary of religion quite honestly, see...
- 145
What truly motivates non-believers?
This topic is old, I know, but I'd like to ask it anyway. Many Christians will ask an atheist, "Why are you here if you don't believe God (should it be a Christian thread)?" Some will answer, "Because I'm trying to help you see the errors of your ways. Is this...