Does Death prove God?

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   Trusheredposted 11 years ago

   While even an atheist is alive, he might even dare to say that no one created human life. But after or during death.
   
   Doesn't the thought change a bit?

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      Motown2Chitownposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Get hold of an atheist after she dies and ask her?

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      Silverspeederposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Nobody has proven anything happens after death (except the body decays) and atheists are always asking or looking for proof so why should they change their mind over this?

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         Trusheredposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Nobody has proven that the sky is indeed blue, too. :-)

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            Silverspeederposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            The sky is not blue, we may see it as blue in the day because of the reaction of sunlight on our eyes. If the sky is indeed blue why is it black at night?

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               Trusheredposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               "The sky is not blue,"
               
               
               
               

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                  Silverspeederposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  How about when its black then? Or on a particular day when the sun rise or sunset turns it different shades of red. A clear cloudless day-time sky is blue because molecules in the air scatter blue light from the sun more than they scatter red light.  When we look towards the sun at sunset, we see red and orange colours because the blue light has been scattered out and away from the line of sight.
                  
                  
                  The only certainty on the posted topic is that humans die. No one has evidence of anything after death.

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                     Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     That isn't quite true. Many people claim evidence. They simply don't have verifiable evidence. There is an incredibly large difference in the two.

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                        Silverspeederposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        But there is verifiable evidence that we die.
                        Non Verifiable evidence is all about belief.

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                           Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Isn't that the way of life? We have verifiable evidence of something so we set out in search of information about what lies beyond that something? Attempting to understand where that something came from and what that something could eventually be?
                           
                           I realize there are many who believe death is the end. Maybe it is. And, maybe it isn't. But, if one person feels experience has shown them proof of something beyond this reality, something of substance; this evidence will set them on a course to make assumptions as to the meaning of this evidence.
                           
                           There are plenty of people who have had experience in line with the term NDE. They have plenty of ideas as to what that means. Those of us without a NDE are left to believe the explanation most plausible. What we consider plausible is determined by other experiences, as well as our beliefs.
                           
                           So, from where I'm standing, using my experiences coupled with my beliefs, I must determine what I consider to be most plausible. Had I had a NDE the experience itself would not be belief. It would be evidence. Without verifiable evidence any attempt to explain the evidence would ultimately be belief.
                           
                           Each of us is left to critically review our thought processes and our experiences in order to determine what is true and what is belief. However, evidence does not have to be verifiable by another in order for it to qualify as evidence to us. It has to be verifiable to the individual. My inability to accept your testimony does not necessarily negate the truth of your experience. It simply means I will see your words as fiction, not fact. How many times in history has what is perceived as fact by the individual and perceived by the whole as fiction moved into the category of what is perceived as fact by the whole?

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                              Trusheredposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              So, does God exist? I maybe asking the wrong question.
                              
                              OK, try this:
                              
                              God exists. But why can't some people see It?

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                                 Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 An impossible question to answer without knowing what you imply with the use of the word. My experience leads me to believe religion has failed in its attempts to define the term.

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                                    Trusheredposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                    OK, let's simplify it. Can we experience God?

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                                       Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       Again, we have to agree to the definition of the term. I say yes, but my yes would be a no to many assumptions as to what that experience can entail.

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                                       Trusheredposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       Tell me you personal 'experience', if you're comfortable. That will be enough.

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                                          Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                          I assume this was directed at me. If so, I'll pass. The last time I posted an experience having to do with something unexplained I had to deal with an atheist offering some ridiculous explanation as to how the event wasn't out of the normal. The explanation, in no way, addressed the experience; but I assume it made him feel good to pretend that it did.

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                                       Trusheredposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       @Emile R- It was just a sincere request. I am not an atheist, and I don't find it civil to press anyone to describe me anything. Anyway.

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                                          Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                          I know. And I wish there was somewhere where intelligent and courteous people could discuss the novelties of life without having a few others attempt to paint them as idiots...but that is not the nature of a forum. I'm not complaining. I enjoy the format.

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                              Silverspeederposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              I didn't say that I personally don't believe in an afterlife, I do however believe there is no physical evidence. So I will take it that what I have as a belief is right but is my own understanding.

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      Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      While EVEN an atheist is alive? Yes even us, can you imagine, EVEN atheists are alive. Tell me, would you say that about any other group of people? While EVEN African American's are live... While EVEN women are alive... While EVEN Italians are alive...
      
      I stopped reading after that.

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         Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         This is a joke, right? If not, you find the strangest things to take offense at. Atheism is a philosophy. Are you implying African Americans and women are also?
         
         I get what you are saying about Italians though. That, definitely, is a philosophy.

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            Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            LOL. Would you have felt better if I had said EVEN muslims are alive... Even christians are alive... Even the lowly hindus are alive... I even heard a rummer that Buddhist are alive. Help? And you should now I took no offence.

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               Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Even though I was a little put off by the wording in the OP, I think your question would still lack merit. Don't those philosophies believe in God and an afterlife? What would be the point in asking that?

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                  Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  I must be doing a poor job of communicating. It's the word "even" I have a problem with. It mean "even the lowly..." I am serious I didn't read past that. It's like me starting a comment with "Even Emile breaths..."

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                     Motown2Chitownposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     To be fair, I think he meant:  Even while atheists are alive.  I don't think the sentence was structured well.

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                        Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        What a difference the word while makes? LOL
                        
                        Even atheists are alive.
                        Even while atheists are alive.

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                           Motown2Chitownposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Scary, huh?  Why sentence structure is i m p o r t a n t.

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                        Trusheredposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        You're right. I should have arranged the words properly. Anyway. :-)

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   Renee Abbottposted 11 years ago

   I did have a near death experience, and yes it did change my views. I went from being Jewish to now believing in no religion. I do believe in something, but not religion. If I told Christians that I didn't see Jesus when I died, but where I went was beyond beautiful, would they stop believing only good Christians go to heaven? I doubt it. We choose to believe what we wish. I am sure many would say it was just my imagination or the work of the devil.
   
   I am not an atheist, but I would say if they had a nde this might change his/ her mind, and might not. If a Christian had a nde and didnt see Jesus but didnt see hell, would it change their mind? What would happen if a Christian saw Allah or Buddah? What would happen if a Christian saw the Goddess Bridget?  If an Atheist had a nde and didnt sleep, he might think it was his brain doing the show. It probably would have little significance to him. It probably would have the same significance as a Christian, Jew or Muslim dying and not seeing the god of that religion but saw a world of beauty. It is not easy to move out of one's beliefs.

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      Trusheredposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Reality is still reality. Whether we believe it or not. The sky wont turn into green if I keep imagining. :-)

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         janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Oh really? What is 'reality"?

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            Trusheredposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Reality is that the sky is blue, and not green :-)

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               janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Not always.

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                  Trusheredposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  When it is green, it is reality too :-)

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   SpanStarposted 11 years ago

   Question: Has anyone ever found all of the missing links that lead up to a human being?

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      wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Question: what is a "missing link"?  Every individual organism that exhibits any change from it's parents?  Every organism that can be classified as a different species by biologists? 
      
      Question: what is "lead up to a human being"?  Every species from the first cell that lived?  Everything from the first primate?  From the dinosaurs?

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         SpanStarposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         What Is a Missing Link? WOW I have no idea where you've been. For years It has been the argument atheists and scientists has been pressing on society as to the evolution of species.
         
         http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/evol … found.html

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            wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Sounds like they found one, all right.  But you failed to answer the question as to how you are defining it.  As every individual organism, as every distinct species or some other personal definition.  The reason I ask is because every time a "missing link" is found the religious community demands another, to the point that one wonders if they will be satisfied at anything less than a complete skeleton of every ancestor back to the first cell that lived.  Without defining what you mean the question of whether we've found every one cannot be answered.

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      Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Do you mean Lucy or Ardi?

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