Do you believe in heaven and hell?
I'm really fascinated in works in proving the existence of the two dimension? I don't know what particular word to describe them. But looking forward for your opinions.
We create our own reality. Heaven and Hell is a result of our reality and what we create. We live in a polarity_as you eluded_two dimension. Heaven and hell therefore is a state of mind and not a geographical location. Paradoxically because most of us live in our minds anyway, you could say it feels real to experience a heaven or hell in our day to day lives here on earth and not beyond it (said for those who are waiting for death to experience a different existence.)
wow, that's really very refreshing answer Jewels. I bet its all in our very creative mind. Moreover, yes, actually there are a lot hell experience in this world.
Your answer caught my attention. Christians claim to know about both locations yet they are barely described in the bible at all. So they are in effect mental constructs, each person creates their own images.
I'd like to add the greek word "tartaroos" or tartarus from which Hell is translated in 2 Peter 2:4 which describes the deeps parts of the dark pit where the fallen angels are reserved for punishment. This is the same place the demons in the swine di
JThomp42, this would align to the experience of the Dark Night of the Soul. It's a space worse than death. Paradoxically it is akin to a death where the phoenix can rise from. That's if you are strong enough to move through it.
No, I don't believe there is a heaven and a hell. Proving it would be another matter completely. Interesting.
Some don't believe in either one. They are called atheists. Then of course you have those who believe in both in which are called Theist.
Where the celestial bodies reside. Stars, planets and comets.
The common grave. Hades or Sheol.
to subscribe to such possibility, one must see the workings of existence on a cosmic level and apply what one knows... one knows that one's own thought and attitudes may make today a good day or a bad day... now let's extend the consequences of thought and attitude upon a grand cosmic scale... the ultimate bad space and time, the ultimate good space and time... and if not ultimate, at least darn good and darn bad... so if we go somewhere after death, or were somewhere before birth, such polarity of states is certainly possible, so now we are left to ponder do we go someplace after death... and that's a question for a seperate thread...
Nope. Makes absolutely no sense to me. I was in religious training at my mother's knee, went to Catholic nursery school, grade school, high school. I was seriously thinking about joining a convent when I was 16, and was religious throughout many years of my adulthood rasing a family. However, the older I get, the more illogical the concept of heaven and hell seems to me. But not believing in a heaven or hell does not imply atheism as is suggested in one answer to this question by another hubber. If the whole universe is a manifestation of God, if you and I are living breathing entities or parts of God that change and grow, and if there is no heaven or hell, that still doesn't mean a person doesn't believe in God; they just have a different perception of the concept. I'm not saying this is what I believe, I'm just disagreeing with the notion that not believing in heaven or hell means a person is an atheist.
With all due respect Billie, look up the definition of an atheist.
There r people who believe in God who do not believe in heaven/hell. You cannot call someone who does not believe in heaven or hell an atheist. If I believe that the whole universe is God n there is no heaven/ hell, that doesn't mean I'm a atheist
Billie, I wasn't calling you an atheist. I just suggested you look up the definition. That's all.
JT-Thanks, but I wouldn't care if you did. But I wasn't responding to your comment to my comment, I was responding to your original comment to this ques: "Some don't believe in either one. They are called atheists". That statement is not true.
Technically by the definition it is true. I didn't write the definition?
well, I guess, its all on how people see things, whether they believe or not. thanks for answering, and sharing your experience and changes in your religious views and concepts .
Extreme north or extreme south are not the preferred destination. Middle path is the best. In all walks of life you will see that the middle path is the only reality and everything else is virtual.
Perhaps the middle ground being safer or of a more norm nature is not our route of wisest choice. Afterall the middle ground is not extraordinary and perhaps we should avoid it to move forward or backwards either mentally or physically speaking.
Interesting comment connorj, in spiritual practices the middle ground is usually the hardest to attain and then maintain.. We are either in a positive or negative polarity, & even in the positive we are inclined to fall as a matter of human weakn
I am not convinced the "middle ground" is usually the hardest to attain; however, I am no expert on this; well not even a novice... Perhaps as you read some works like The Interior Castle (Mansions) you will understand where I am coming from.
Ahh, the seven mansions. Beautiful. Paradoxes reign in these experiences, in that to attain the higher experiences it requires staying in the middle ground ,it's the center between polarities, a point of being in the world but not swayed by it.
Thus our debate is in error, probably mine (through ambiguity of definition) because to me middle ground is referring to status quo and the higher ground is standing firm. With the power of a Kissinger you have brought us together...
In spiritual transformation 'language' is thwart with dangers! Definitely not status quo, a serious seeker never dwells in the 'status quo' The 6th mansion aligns with struggles with polarity. The 7th is a transcended state.
I believe in God and the Humanity but I just mentioned the teachings of Gautam Budha and I have found that in all walks of life His teaching "Middle Path is the Best Path" fits best and I shared it with the fellow hubbers.
Yes I do indeed believe in both; however, before my comatose experience I am not completely sure I did... I certainly would not want to say to anyone (including my family) that there is indeed a "Heaven" and H-E- double hockey sticks if I did not believe in this.
Yet, my experience led me to believe that indeed there is a "Heaven" and in my recollection, it was significantly similar to Eden before "Man's" fall...
At the same time, I am not sure if it matters if one believes in it or not. None the less, I assure you when your life passes before you as you are "brain dead" you will indeed be astonished and amazed; thus, no worries.
Nope. I reject these kinds of concepts without hard evidence or at least theoretical and physical symbols. Heaven and hell have nothing but theological explanations backing them.
I believe in both. Throughout the history of humanity, the struggle between what is defined as good and evil has made up the fabric of human existence. It's what all the stories are about, the histories, the everything. Heaven and Hell, in all their various names, have to be the original locations defining the good and bad that have made up our collective history on this rock. But then, I say this as a person of faith. Faith has to preclude belief and faith by its very definition is something that can not be proven. It is an abstract of the soul allowing the mind to see.
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