Do you believe in heaven and hell?

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   PaoloJpmposted 10 years ago

   Do you believe in heaven and hell?
   
   I'm really fascinated in works in proving the existence of the two dimension? I don't know what particular word to describe them. But looking forward for your opinions.

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   Jewelsposted 10 years ago

   We create our own reality. Heaven and Hell is a result of our reality and what we create.  We live in a polarity_as you eluded_two dimension.  Heaven and hell therefore is a state of mind and not a geographical location.  Paradoxically because most of us live in our minds anyway, you could say it feels real to experience a heaven or hell in our day to day lives here on earth and not beyond it (said for those who are waiting for death to experience a different existence.)

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      PaoloJpmposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      wow, that's really very refreshing answer Jewels. I bet its all in our very creative mind.  Moreover, yes, actually there are a lot hell experience in this world.

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      Disappearingheadposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Your answer caught my attention. Christians claim to know about both locations yet they are barely described in the bible at all. So they are in effect mental constructs, each person creates their own images.

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      JThomp42posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I'd like to add the greek word "tartaroos" or tartarus from which Hell is translated in 2 Peter 2:4 which describes the deeps parts of the dark pit where the fallen angels are reserved for punishment. This is the same place the demons in the swine di

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      Jewelsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      JThomp42, this would align to the experience of the Dark Night of the Soul.  It's a space worse than death. Paradoxically it is akin to a death where the phoenix can rise from.  That's if you are strong enough to move through it.

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   aspiretoinspireposted 10 years ago

   No, I don't believe there is a heaven and a hell. Proving it would be another matter completely. Interesting.

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   JThomp42posted 10 years ago

   Some don't believe in either one. They are called atheists. Then of course you have those who believe in both in which are called Theist.

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   Silverspeederposted 10 years ago

   Heaven
   Where the celestial bodies reside. Stars, planets and comets.
   
   Hell
   The common grave. Hades or Sheol.

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   Mike Marksposted 10 years ago

   to subscribe to such possibility, one must see the workings of existence on a cosmic level and apply what one knows... one knows that one's own thought and attitudes may make today a good day or a bad day... now let's extend the consequences of thought and attitude upon a grand cosmic scale... the ultimate bad space and time, the ultimate good space and time... and if not ultimate, at least darn good and darn bad... so if we go somewhere after death, or were somewhere before birth, such polarity of states is certainly possible, so now we are left to ponder do we go someplace after death... and that's a question for a seperate thread...

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      PaoloJpmposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      It seems to me, that your expanding or explaining the whole inside meaning of my question. Thank you mike

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   Billie Kelpinposted 10 years ago

   Nope.  Makes absolutely no sense to me.  I was in religious training at my mother's knee, went to Catholic nursery school, grade school, high school. I was seriously thinking about joining a convent when I was 16, and was religious throughout many years of my adulthood rasing a family. However, the older I get, the more illogical the concept of heaven and hell seems to me.  But not believing in a heaven or hell does not imply atheism as is suggested in one answer to this question by another hubber. If the whole universe is a manifestation of God, if you and I are living breathing entities or parts of God that change and grow, and if there is no heaven or hell, that still doesn't mean a person doesn't believe in God; they just have a different perception of the concept. I'm not saying this is what I believe, I'm just disagreeing with the notion that not believing in heaven or hell means a person is an atheist.

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      JThomp42posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      With all due respect Billie, look up the definition of an atheist.

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      Billie Kelpinposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      There r people who believe in God who do not believe in heaven/hell.  You cannot call someone who does not believe in heaven or hell an atheist.  If I believe that the whole universe is God n there is no heaven/ hell, that doesn't mean I'm a atheist

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      JThomp42posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Billie, I wasn't calling you an atheist. I just suggested you look up the definition. That's all.

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      Billie Kelpinposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      JT-Thanks, but I wouldn't care if you did.  But I wasn't responding to your comment to my comment, I was responding to your original comment to this ques:  "Some don't believe in either one.  They are called atheists". That statement is not true.

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      JThomp42posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Technically by the definition it is true. I didn't write the definition?

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      PaoloJpmposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      well, I guess, its all on how people see things, whether they believe or not. thanks for answering, and sharing your experience and changes in your religious views and concepts .

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   wqaindiaposted 10 years ago

   Extreme north or extreme south are not the preferred destination. Middle path is the best. In all walks of life you will see that the middle path is the only reality and everything else is virtual.

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      connorjposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Perhaps the middle ground being safer or of a more norm nature is not our route of wisest choice. Afterall the middle ground is not extraordinary and perhaps we should avoid it to move forward or backwards either mentally or physically speaking.

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      Jewelsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting comment connorj, in spiritual practices the middle ground is usually the hardest to attain and then maintain.. We are either in a positive or negative polarity, & even in the positive we are inclined to fall as a matter of human weakn

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      PaoloJpmposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting answer my friend.

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      connorjposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I am not convinced the "middle ground" is usually the hardest to attain; however, I am no expert on this; well not even a novice... Perhaps as you read some works like The Interior Castle (Mansions) you will understand where I am coming from.

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      Jewelsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Ahh, the seven mansions.  Beautiful.  Paradoxes reign in these experiences, in that to attain the higher experiences it requires staying in  the middle ground ,it's the center between polarities, a point of being in the world but not swayed by it.

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      connorjposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Thus our debate is in error, probably mine (through ambiguity of definition) because to me middle ground is referring to status quo and the higher ground is standing firm. With the power of a Kissinger you have brought us together...

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      Jewelsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      In spiritual transformation 'language' is thwart with dangers! Definitely not status quo, a serious seeker never dwells in the 'status quo'  The 6th mansion aligns with struggles with polarity. The 7th is a transcended state.

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      wqaindiaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I believe in God and the Humanity but I just mentioned the teachings of Gautam Budha and I have found that in all walks of life His teaching "Middle Path is the Best Path" fits best and I shared it with the fellow hubbers.

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   connorjposted 10 years ago

   
   
   Yes I do indeed believe in both; however, before my comatose experience I am not completely sure I did... I certainly would not want to say to anyone (including my family) that there is indeed a "Heaven" and H-E- double hockey sticks if I did not believe in this.
   Yet, my experience led me to believe that indeed there is a "Heaven" and in my recollection, it was significantly similar to Eden before "Man's" fall...
   At the same time, I am not sure if it matters if one believes in it or not. None the less, I assure you when your life passes before you as you are "brain dead" you will indeed be astonished and amazed; thus, no worries.

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      PaoloJpmposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I guess right. I also believe that, "worry things when it is actually happening." anyway, thank you answering.

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    CrescentSkiesposted 10 years ago

    Nope. I reject these kinds of concepts without hard evidence or at least theoretical and physical symbols. Heaven and hell have nothing but theological explanations backing them.

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       PaoloJpmposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       yeah, who knows if its truly existing. Anyway, I guess we can find it out ourselves.

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    poetvixposted 10 years ago

    I believe in both.  Throughout the history of humanity, the struggle between what is defined as good and evil has made up the fabric of human existence.  It's what all the stories are about, the histories, the everything.   Heaven and Hell, in all their various names, have to be the original locations defining the good and bad that have made up our collective history on this rock.  But then, I say this as a person of faith.  Faith has to preclude belief and faith by its very definition is something that can not be proven.  It is an abstract of the soul allowing the mind to see.

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       PaoloJpmposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       truly, bold answer, thanks, while in my case, I do believe in faith. The faith that we ourselves is making, in the process of all decisions and action we make.

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