Why Do Bad Things Happen to Good People?

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   jabelufirozposted 10 years ago

   Why Do Bad Things Happen to Good People?

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      Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Because there is no God. Only the good die young.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      That's just life, nature, and human behavior.
      Some people do bad things to others.
      But bad things happen to everyone at some time or other.
      Maybe less to "good" people because they're more careful about things they do, and they try not to engage in risky behavior.
      The Bible says it rains on the just and the unjust.
      There are accidents, some of which are human error and some can be attributed to faulty vehicles,  some are natural conditions like slick roads etc., or to weather conditions; some people are killed by wild animals and snakes and etc.
      And natural catastrophes like floods and storms.
      And humanity is subject to deterioration physically since Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden;  we all have an "expiration date" so-to-speak,  so we get diseases and etc;  and even if we never get a disease,  our bodies will still die at some point;  we're not gonna live forever (at least, not in this earthly life).
      
      All consistent with the Bible's words about the Creator and the created.

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         Disappearingheadposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         I think I can agree with what you have said.

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      kessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      No bad things happen, its only you perceiving it as bad makes it bad unto you.
      
      A change of perspective will allow you to see this world as perfect, exactly as it is.

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         Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Nonsense.  A child sick and dying a painful meaningless death is a bad thing.

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            kessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            To ascribe meaninglessness to a sick dying child is indeed a bad thing, but only to the one who persist in doing such a thing, and by this he inherits his own damnation.

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               Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               Didn't you just say "No bad things happen, its only you perceiving it as bad makes it bad unto you." You just ascribe meaninglessness to a sick dying child and then say it's indeed a bad thing. I think?
               
               
               
               But that was you?

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                  kessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  Don't get your panties in a bunch....
                  
                  Me agreeing with your perspective does not mean I share it.
                  
                  It means (if you were to re-read)  that since you believe it, I must accept that do believe it  and it is the freedom I must allow unto you as a fellow man.
                  
                  For you merely by you believing it, makes it valid unto yourself, which includes its consequences.
                  
                  As it is said, the man reaps whatsoever he sows, and if you sow evil (bad) as in thinking that this or that is evil, you shall reap the same.
                  
                  But then again, you do not lower yourself to accept these nonsensical ideas.
                  So this is merely a vain effort of an explanation unto you.

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                     Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     All I can get out of that is that you don't think a child dying a painful unnecessary death is a bad thing because you don't want bad things to happen to you. Is that correct?

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                        kessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                        No you not right....but you are allowed to believe it....
                        
                        Bad things dont happen... but that beneath you understanding.

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                           Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                           I'm trying to understand you here and you are making it difficult by talking in codes.
                           
                           Are you saying a child dying an unnecessary death not a bad thing?

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                              riddle666posted 10 years agoin reply to this

                              Codes? No codes, only nonsense. You are trying to speak to a person who thinks himself as the most intelligent who tries to prove it by speaking nonsense.

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                              Deepes Mindposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                              I think I may have it figured out. It appears that Kess is taking an objective approach to things happening. Basically (If I'm correct, I'm never sure with Kess) what he is saying is that things simply happen, which is reality. Whether it is good or bad is subjective to the person that is experiencing the event that is happening.

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                                 Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                 But, and here is the kicker. He says "the man reaps whatsoever he sows, and if you sow evil (bad) as in thinking that this or that is evil, you shall reap the same."
                                 
                                 The only way I can see it is he does't see a child suffering as bad because he doesn't want bad thing to happen to him. Which appears completely selfish and self serving.

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                                    Deepes Mindposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                    or it could mean that he chooses not to offer any type of opinion one way or the other on the subject. because in this case wither way is a losing proposition.

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                                       kessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                       You would never understand me if you continue to take offence of me saying that since you make Adam a sinner you would remain one...
                                       
                                       The concept then and this present one is identical

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                                          Deepes Mindposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                          I'm not interested in understanding you. And My offence was not in you calling me a sinner, but you will never understand why I was taking offence so it is pointless in reopening that conversation

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                                             kessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                             Thus confirming what others have said to you...There was no need for you to take offence in the first place.
                                             
                                             Just remember that those who seemingly stand inconspicuously on 
                                             the sidelines apparently waiting to see which way the coin falls, are
                                             those who will be caught unawares.

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                                                Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                                And those who continue to put their foot in their mouths look like morons.

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                                    kessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                    If no bad things happen, would I be entertaining the thoughts of suffering , selfishness and self serving?
                                    
                                    These Ideas belong to those who thinks bad things happen and this is the adjustment they make to accommodate it.
                                    
                                    You do not realise, that you are the one who introduce evil, because you entertain it's possibility.
                                    You wont be able to help yourself but continue to do this as long as your goal is to refute the things I say.

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                                       PhoenixVposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                       Do you think you will succeed in communicating what you know?

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                                          kessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                          I would communicate the fact that it is known...
                                          After all it belongs only to those who already know it.

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                                             PhoenixVposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                             Why?
                                             
                                             would you communicate the fact that it is known.

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                                                kessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                                You have read it..

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                                                   PhoenixVposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                                   bonne chance

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                                                   PhoenixVposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                                   Is it that, there are those who are unable to fathom and there are those that are unwilling to fathom?
                                                   
                                                   Or is it that there were those who were unwilling to fathom and became unable to fathom?

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                                                      kessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                                      Generally those that are unable will also be unwilling.
                                                      
                                                      Some will appear willing and  for a while seem as if they understood....but in time they will fail, because their agendas will be in conflict with the concept. These are the makers of religion.
                                                      
                                                      Some will be unwilling at first, but in the end they would understand.
                                                      
                                                      And there are those, though they hear it for the first time, it would be like old news...
                                                      These are those of an understanding heart that requires only a single word.

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                                       Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                       How incredible ignorant.
                                       
                                       I've never said anything about evil. Evil implies Satan, which I've not done. But bad stuff does happen, Random bad stuff that shouldn't be swept under the rug. A child dying a painful meaningless death is a bad thing. S#!t happens to good people.
                                       
                                       Telling me I cause evil because I except that S#!t happens is self serving BS. If I were you I'd be very ashamed of my behaviour. Telling others that they are the cause of evil because they have compassion is atrocious behaviour.

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                                          kessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                          ...and you said you were trying to understand...
                                          At least you got the benefit of the doubt...

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                                             Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                             Had to make sure you were saying what I thought you were.

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                                          kessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                          opposite if evil is good
                                          what is the opposite of bad ?
                                          oh shimz I  really dont know....
                                          
                                          ....but to be incredibly ignorant is to be a happy man.

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                                             Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                             You must be euphoric since you admit to being oblivious to suffering of others. There is a name for someone who is unconscious of the suffering of others. Let's see, both psychopathic and sociopathic come to mind and then there narcissism.

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                                                kessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                                What did your half century of hypocritical sympathising done?
                                                Don't include the Tear jerking,Fake reassurances
                                                Sad Mournful face and hushed tones these were for you.
                                                
                                                Did you not bury them just as your Fathers centuries before did?

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                                       Motown2Chitownposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                       Oh, the law of attraction!  A load of bunk, really.  Terrible things do indeed happen.  I am a terminal optimist.  I believe that everyone is good and has the power to do good.  How then should I respond to bad things that have happened to me?  I asked for it? I expected it?  I made it happen by believing the best of people?  Bad things do happen, Kess, to people who do good and believe in, even seek out, the good in others.  It's a simple fact of nature, not a fact about how those who
                                       believe in evil draw it unto themselves.
                                       
                                       I sincerely pray that you do not ever experience a tragic circumstance, because it will shatter your illusion that you only experience that which you make happen.

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                                          psycheskinnerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                          It must be reassuring to think people who are sick or have sick kids or experience violent crime somehow "invited" that to happen.
                                          
                                          But it is *horribly* judgmental and unfair to those people.  Sometimes these things just happen.

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                                             Motown2Chitownposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                             Agreed.  Completely!

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                              kessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                              Because you dwell in perception that  bad things can and do happen, you would see an infants death an unnecessary.
                              
                              The fact that you described it as "unnecessary" can lead to only one conclusion.  That it is bad.
                              
                              So in your world you would only see the fulfilment of your beliefs... since bad can happen they do happen, therefore  babies will die,  and die unnecessarily at that.
                              
                              Now if you may for once consider this thought COMPLETELY ( that is where you and most fail).
                              If there is no evil, what then is there to be fearful of? No Thing.
                              If an infant die,  would  you not also see a justifiable reason for it happening? Of course.
                              I tell you the Truth, that even the idea of death, would be far removed from the present concept within which we discuss.
                              
                              The concept is not a difficult one to grasps, except you being atheist, has trained yourself to think in a certain way and would naturally add your own personal "complications" so as to retain your identity as an atheist.

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               psycheskinnerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               So you think a baby dying in agony is not a bad thing? The child should not feel it is bad to be in agony and the parents should not think it is bad that their child dies?
               
               That is an interesting perspective.

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                  Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  Interesting is a very polite way of wording it.

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      PhoenixVposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      The premise is flawed.

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   Sooner28posted 10 years ago

   Because there are bad people, because human beings are prone to certain diseases, and because luck isn't with some people.
   
   All consistent with no God.

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   aka-djposted 10 years ago

   Why do good things happen to bad people?

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      riddle666posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Because Adam sinned!!!!!!!!!!!!

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      jabelufirozposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Good question!

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