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Evidence of Spirit

  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

    Who has it?

    1. Disappearinghead profile image78
      Disappearingheadposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Me. There's half a bottle of Schmirnof in my kitchen waiting for me.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
        Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

        Me. My cat, named Spirit, is on my lap.

  2. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

    My cat, however is a better example of having spirit than a bottle of spirits. And if I take a couple gulps of spirits, I loose mine.

  3. FatFreddysCat profile image99
    FatFreddysCatposted 4 years ago

    I have it! I've got several issues of this series in my old comic book collection:

    http://s3.hubimg.com/u/8431818.jpg

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
      Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I hope I can find a copy! (The blond's body language says it all ... and Spirit says, "Not now, I haven't rescued you YET..."

  4. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

    Here is evidence of Spirit : Consciousness + Love + Intelligence.

    1. profile image0
      Rad Manposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Those three things when present are only evidence of a properly functioning human brain.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
        Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

        This discussion is really about the science of consciousness, I have come to understand.

        1. wilderness profile image97
          wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

          random thoughts...

          men have the attributes of consciousness, love and intelligence.

          neither gods nor God has free will; any god worthy of the name is omniscient by definition.  Knowing everything, they also know the proper and best method to accomplish anything at all.  Knowing that, there is precious little free will left; only a mentally deficient being will intentionally use an inferior method of doing something. 

          As neither gods nor God actually exist they cannot truly said to be "related".  Any relation is only perceived by humanity, just as the gods/God is.

          Or so my sources tell me...

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
            Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            - how about the random thought of energy.
            - where does energy fit into all this?
            - are spirit and energy related.

            1. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

              A random thought of energy has nothing to do with anything.

              If you mean the energy of thought, that is the same as any other electrical activity.  In the brain it is very, very small, though it takes a huge portion of the chemical energy we all exist on.

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
                Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                Spirit, energy, free will and consciousness are all intrinsically intertwined. Spirit is often interchanged with *enthusiasm.* (Indeed, Wikipedia uses energy as a defining word for enthusiasm.)
                Therefore, it would appear that energy does have something to do with spirit.

                1. wilderness profile image97
                  wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  Ah.  You refer to a state of emotional being with the term "energy", not something that actually exists in the real world.  "Free will" is another concept that exists only inside the mind and is not "real", either - perhaps they are indeed intertwined in some kind of mental orgy with consciousness.

                  In that case, it could very well have something to do with spirit, as the spirit would appear to reside or at least have a strong connection with the emotions of a human being.  Could "spirit" merely be one's perception of self, and not some physical manifestation in this or other "dimension"?

                  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
                    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                    ...then what is causing everything outside of ourselves to manifest?
                    - and yes, a mental, physical, and emotional orgy with consciousness and freewill intertwining is indeed what we're talking about. Very astute finding.

              2. Jerami profile image71
                Jeramiposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                I wish I were as smart as a lightning bolt.  lol

                1. A Troubled Man profile image61
                  A Troubled Manposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  I think you are that smart.

                  1. profile image0
                    Beth37posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                    Do you own a TV?

            2. A Troubled Man profile image61
              A Troubled Manposted 4 years agoin reply to this

              They are related like fairies and trees.

    2. A Troubled Man profile image61
      A Troubled Manposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      That's like saying beer, pretzels and sushi are evidence of the Loch Ness monster.

  5. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

    The Big Bang was evidence of spirit/energy.

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      How so?  Outside of an unsupported claim that a spirit was necessary to touch it off, how do you claim it is evidence of spirit?

    2. A Troubled Man profile image61
      A Troubled Manposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Jupiter and Mars are evidence of Superman.

  6. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

    - is electricity the same as light?
    - or not.
    - light from the sun is not the same as nerve light is it?
    - what is nerve light? can it be considered electricity?
    - what is E= MC squared?
    - what starts a fire without a match... friction?
    - is heat energy?
    - Is heat evidence of spirit/energy?
    - is electricity evidence of spirit/energy?
    This discussion has led to the topic of  *evidence vs. direct manifestation,*  it seems.

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Electricity is not the same as light.  One is movement of electrons, one is photons.

      Nerves do not produce light at all - sunlight is not nerve light.

      Energy = mass X speed of light squared.

      Friction, concentrated sunlight, lightning, other electrical discharges and probably some isolated chemical reactions that might get hot enough to ignite and burn specific substances.  Volcanoes will light fires, as will any other very hot mass.  It is possible to start a fire with radiation, or other nuclear reactions.

      Heat, the motion of molecules, is a form of kinetic energy.

      heat is not evidence of spirit unless spirit is material matter.

      electricity is not evidence of spirit unless spirit contains electrons that are released to travel a conductor.

    2. A Troubled Man profile image61
      A Troubled Manposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Seems more like a discussion leading to the topic of how many things can one imagine are real when one doesn't take their meds.

  7. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

    feelings are evidence of ...
    intelligence is evidence of...
    awareness is evidence of...
    volition is evidence of...
                                                               what?

    self? consciousness? soul? all of which require energy or electricity or some animating force. What is the force? Is it wrong to call it spirit? Is it wrong to call it energy?
    It is certainly not right to call it "perceptions."  Who's to say that spirit is not material matter and does not contain electrons... I mean I have no idea. But we are discussing *evidence.* 
        If there is no evidence of an animating force then nothing really exists. It is all a figment of our individual imaginations. And in that case there is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever.
    Never mind.
    I'm sure the advertisers were not holding their breaths, here, anyway.

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
      Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Apparently Nothing is very important. 
      and Something is not very important.
      So, to some, negativity is important
      and positivity is not.
      I get the consciousness of that.

  8. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

    Redwood forests and gigantic redwood trees are evidence of Spirit.

  9. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

    Evolution
        as guided by nature,
                 all creatures
                          and mankind itself
                                                 ...is evidence of Spirit.

  10. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

    Music is evidence of Spirit.

  11. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

    Human Creativity is evidence of Spirit

  12. wilderness profile image97
    wildernessposted 4 years ago

    Seems that everything in the universe is evidence of spirit.  Conclusion: "spirit" is another word for "universe", at least as you have defined it.

    True?

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
      Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      …I would agree with that… everything in the universe positively exists. Something did not come out of Nothing. Right?
      Wondering

      1. profile image0
        Rad Manposted 4 years agoin reply to this

        Nobody says the universe came from nothing, but things do pop in and out of detection.

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
          Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

          DETECTION:
               This word isolates the true difficulty when discussing the existence of God.
          Therefore, I'm focusing on physical manifestations which provide evidence of spirit.

          1. profile image0
            Rad Manposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Physical manifestations provide evidence for physical manifestations.

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
              Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

              Why argue about the matter? I think you are loosing.

        2. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
          Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

          What do you mean by this, Rad Man:  "...things do pop in and out of detection."
          ????

          1. profile image0
            Rad Manposted 4 years agoin reply to this
            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
              Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

              - sub atomic particles are evidence of Spirit.

              1. profile image0
                Rad Manposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                Sub-atomic particles are evidence of pizza.

      2. wilderness profile image97
        wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

        "something" does indeed come from "nothing" in some cases.  Whether that happened with the universe we cannot know.

        But the conclusion and the "Right?" was that "spirit" means "universe", it just has a different spelling and pronunciation.  Kind of like "human" and "homo sapien".

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
          Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

          No. Everything manifests out of something very subtle…to the point of being invisible… or a least not detectible by man-made instruments…or  mathematical formulas, LOL!

          1. wilderness profile image97
            wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            And with that comes the old, old question - your evidence, Ma'am?

            When you begin talking about something you know to be there but that you are defining as undetectable to man or machine, well, you have a wee problem with the truth of your claim.

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
              Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

              So Redwood trees are not evidence of an animating spirit which is causing the trees to grow to be a certain height, of a certain style, of a certain majesty among all trees? I have heard that trees pump sap and have a circulatory system. The animating force figured out that trees needed hearts.  Furthermore, how do we know that trees do not love with these hearts? There is no proof to claim otherwise. (Maybe this is why some people hug trees!)
              Half Joking Half Serious

              1. wilderness profile image97
                wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                Not unless your "animating spirit" consists of a trillion copies of a DNA strand, the composition of the earth in that forest, the geology that results in a daily heavy mist but little rain, the climate of the area, etc.

                If you wish to define spirit as the combination of all all those physical things that cause the Redwoods to grow as they do, then I guess it is there.  If not, then no, there is no evidence of an "animating spirit". 

                You might want to re-consider the question of the trees loving.  People do not love with hearts but with their brains and trees have no hearts anyway.  A "circulatory" system perhaps, but no heart - they cannot have a heart with no muscle tissue in the tree.  If you're going to make such a foolish claim at least make it with the stomach; that used to be considered the center of emotions, a tree "digests" "food" and perhaps could be considered to "feel" with it's "stomach".  All very loosely defined (VERY loosely smile )

                1. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
                  Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  Why yes, I would agree that:

                             E v e r y t h i n g  that contributes to life is evidence of Spirit!

                  Thank you for enlightening us!

                  1. wilderness profile image97
                    wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                    Good!  Then we begin to have a definition, something we can hang our hat on, with the word "spirit". 

                    Now we can view it, watch it and experiment with it.  Monsanto is, after all working with spirit (DNA) all the time - it is not all that difficult.  Heck, Mendel was looking at spirit over 100 years ago and understanding it - we can do MUCH better today! 

                    And you were right all along - it is in each of us!  (not in empty space, though, and not in stars and maybe not in other planets).  It could, in fact, be ONLY on earth and nowhere else in the universe.

                2. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
                  Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  humans love center is in the heart… I was just wondering if trees also a have a sense of love, due to their "pump."

                  1. wilderness profile image97
                    wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                    Only if you think a small glass tube loves you, too.  They both "pump" with the same capillary action, after all.

                    But whatever makes you think the center of human emotion is in the muscle of the heart?

              2. profile image0
                Rad Manposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                The half serious part is what's confusing me.

              3. A Troubled Man profile image61
                A Troubled Manposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                lol Absurd, Kathryn.

  13. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

    Declaration of Independence of the United States of America is evidence of Spirit.

  14. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

    If there is no evidence of an Animating Force then Nothing exists.

    Yet Something exists:

    The Whole entire Universe and Everything in it!

    If animating force = spirit
                         then spirit = energy

    and evidence of spirit proves consciousness and everything that goes with consciousness...
    which is a lot.
    and "a lot" is a severe understatement.
    U No I'm Rite

    1. A Troubled Man profile image61
      A Troubled Manposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Hence, you would be wrong about an animating force.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
        Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

        ? ...only if nothing exists.

        1. A Troubled Man profile image61
          A Troubled Manposted 4 years agoin reply to this

          That would be wrong, too, evidently by the fact our universe does exist.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
            Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            I say everything that exists is proof of an animating spirit. What is there to not understand?
            Honestly, you would think the atheists would agree! *Animating sprit* is more  realistic and scientifically provable than a "supernatural creature from another universe!"

            1. A Troubled Man profile image61
              A Troubled Manposted 4 years agoin reply to this

              Simple, no such animating force has ever been shown to exist, it is only the physical laws of the universe that have been shown to cause everything. What is there not to understand.



              That is pure baloney, no such animating spirit has ever been shown to exist, that is merely your religious beliefs talking.

  15. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

    Science is evidence of Spirit

    1. A Troubled Man profile image61
      A Troubled Manposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Truly hilarious, Kathryn. lol

      There is as much evidence for spirit as there is for leprechauns and unicorns; zero.

      However, you have chosen to believe in something that has no evidence because of your religious beliefs.

  16. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

    Is Evidence of Spirit Enough?? Yes ? no?
    I think the answer is no.
    We are not satisfied with evidence. We just aren't. Actually this craving comes from somehow knowing that God exists. Until we sense this force directly we will never be content.
    Back to ESP.
    Back to Yoga.
    Back to Meditation.
    back to Jesus and Krishna who both made very clear:
    "The harvest is abundant…"
    "Heaven is (found) within."
    According to My Sources.
    (But now we are way off topic.)
    Back to Evidence…

    The moon is evidence of spirit… Although some say it was man-made and that it is hollow inside! LOL

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Speak for yourself.  For many of us "left brained" critters, evidence is sufficient for knowledge (not sure what else would be).

      In this specific case, zero evidence results in zero knowledge and, for the left brained, zero belief.

      For the right brained, though, it can and does result in belief.  This comes about because of the craving you mention: "I want it very badly, so it must be so".  "And if it's not, I will believe anyway because I want to".  It works very well for the right brained and is all that is necessary to produce a massive belief system.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
        Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

        This keyboarding is evidence of a left brained atheist, for sure!  But, also evidence of a very fine animating spirit if there ever was!

        1. wilderness profile image97
          wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

          lol

      2. profile image0
        Motown2Chitownposted 4 years agoin reply to this

        How does one explain a left brained believer?

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
          Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

          A left brain believer believes that God can be found in a mathematical formula, obviously. A left brain non-believer doesn't think so, even though he is left brained.

        2. wilderness profile image97
          wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

          Such an anomaly would simply shut off the brain when the spirit arises in them.  Don't think about it in other words.

          1. profile image0
            Motown2Chitownposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Interesting.  Not accurate, but interesting.  wink

            1. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

              Well, how else would a person that requires hard evidence come to believe in something that by definition can have no evidence?

              1. profile image0
                Motown2Chitownposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                Not all evidence is acceptable to all people.  And what may seem like hard evidence of one thing may point to something else entirely.  Happens all the time in courtrooms all around the world.  People are convicted an acquitted because an evidentiary exposition leads to no other conclusion than the one at which they arrive.  And then the real story comes out...because no one wanted ALL the evidence, just what they felt was sufficient to prove THEIR case.

                1. A Troubled Man profile image61
                  A Troubled Manposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  The thing is that courtroom evidence is not the same thing as evidence required for science.

                  Of course, if Kathryn stood in a courtroom talking as she does here, they would cart her off for psychological evaluation.

                2. wilderness profile image97
                  wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  That's kind of the point - evidence sometimes seems to point to one thing when another is actually true - except that there is zero evidence for a god out there.  Evidence, not opinion - millions have an opinion without evidence to back it.

                  So that goes back to what I said - left brained people want evidence.  Not opinion, not imagination, not rationalization or lies. Just hard, provable evidence available to anyone, and the very definitions used by most religious people today preclude anything like that. 

                  Without evidence, then, the left brained person is left requiring that their brain shut down and utilize the emotional, wanting side of themselves.  Which is what I said, after all.

          2. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
            Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Soft evidence is better.

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    Beth37posted 4 years ago

    Im going to separate you two. I don't even know what you're saying, but it's getting on my nerves.

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
      Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      You do eventually start to "hear" the person's voice don't you? Sorry about that Beth. Stop reading, then!  You just can't help yourself can you? Because evidence is not enough, even for the God-believing Christian.

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        Beth37posted 4 years agoin reply to this

        I haven't been reading... Ive been a bad girl. I just keep clicking on the notification when it pops up and then I'm like, "doh!" Why can't I stop clicking on it? lol

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
          Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

          likely story. Where is your proof of God beyond Bible… beyond evidence of Spirit?

        2. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
          Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

          - appearing notifications are evidence of Spirit .
          Clicking on them halfheartedly is evidence of a limited amount of spirit.

          1. profile image0
            Beth37posted 4 years agoin reply to this

            hahaha... I do believe that's the first joke Ive ever heard you make... it was a good one too. wink

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
              Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

              - well, thats better than thinking everything I say is a joke! (Which some absolutely do!)
              Thanks, Beth. I think "everyone" gets what I'm saying here. I will stop.
              Finis.
              smile

 
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