The Essence of the Soul is both Masculine and Feminine.
However, in the man, the soul's feminine essence is hidden or downplayed. In the woman, the masculine essence is hidden or downplayed.
We benefit in marriage through experiencing the essence which manifests predominantly in our partners. In this way marriage helps us get in touch with the deeper essence of ourselves and promotes spiritual evolution.
These ideas proved to be very controversial in another forum discussion, much to my surprise! It makes sense to me that God must be both male and female, negative / positive, yin / yang. If we were made in his image, we too must be male / female, etc. Unless one happens to believe that God is only Father, Positive, Yang. Why do we attribute nature to the feminine force of Mother? Why not Father Nature?
These ideas are taken esoteric teachings and considered to be truth. I throw them out for discussion purposes only... not to insult anyone for any reason!"I am not sexually attracted to the same sex. it is a revulsion to those who are straight. This is a fact of life."
"Perhaps you were a male in your last life.
Perhaps you are in touch with your hidden masculinity in this life."
"You do not agree that you are in touch with the masculine side of your soul? It is logical to me that the masculine can only be attracted to the feminine, sexually."
These are the quotes from what I wrote which were not understood in the other forum. I would like to know if these statements or viewpoints are offensive in light of the point of this post.This was MY reply:
"My view-point is that I believe in God, but that God has a blueprint which is deeper than we generally comprehend. We are each one of us male and female! It actually explains how some people can be homosexual! You have been jumping to erroneous conclusions!"
- who else thinks I owe an apology? to whom?
and why?Your first two quotes can be viewed as being offensive (though unintentionally so) with your first statement, you basically said that just because someone loves the same sex that they are a cause for revulsion. As if this one thing makes them the most disgusting person
Your second comment was made to a lesbian that she loves women because she used to be a man.
I think that your statement was innocent in nature (more or less). You just didn't take into account how it may look to another person because you knew what you meant. Think about the other forum you created. You meant well, but you accidentally used an offensive term and i illustrated how it could be taken. You eventually apologized for your lack of understanding of the term. This is somewhat similar.Kathryn: "I am not sexually attracted to the same sex. it is a revulsion to those who are straight. This is a fact of life."
"It" refers to same-sex attraction. "It" does not refer to people or any one in particular.
Obviously, referring to "it" is confusing sometimes. Quite often "IT" needs to be identified and clarified.
1. Kathryn: "Perhaps you were a male in your last life.
Perhaps you are in touch with your hidden masculinity in this life."
vs
2. Deepes Mind: "Your second comment was made to a lesbian that she loves women because she used to be a man."
(Actually the comment was not made to a lesbian at all. The "lesbian" you refer to actually claims to be bisexual and even mentioned being a hermaphrodite.)
The second is an inaccurate translation of the first.It was not meant to be a translation. The term "Perhaps" carries an implication of meaning.
The issue here isn't intent nor even implication nor a translation. What the issue is that you attempted to offer an explanation of something you admitted that you did not understand to a person that lives the life you are speaking of. That's like me trying to offer an explanation of
periods. I do not understand everything or anything so why offer an explanation of what one feels like?- why did she take it personally? not being objective is where the problem lies.
"Perhaps" means: There exists a "possibility" that someone who is female in this lifetime would feel an attraction for an individual of the same sex because the female in question is still identified with being a man … which are inclinations left over from a lifetime of being a man. How is this insulting?Well, you would have to ask her that directly. I don't totally wish to speak for her and her reasons. What I am trying to do is point out how it is possible that your statements can offend. From the outside looking in as well as from seeing it myself, telling a homosexual that they are more of the opposite gender does offend because it implies a lack of general masculinity or feminity depending on who you are addressing.
- telling a gay person he is feminine is insulting? Telling a lesbian person she is in touch with her masculine is offensive? I understand that these conclusions are completely WRONG, but that is the nature of exploring possibilities. So they are not in touch with their opposite natures. I am all eyes if my concept is wrong.
But as I said, I am trying to understand homosexuality. I have to live with it… and I can accept it through understanding it. I mentioned cutting some of us heterosexuals some slack because we really don't get homosexuality. It is not logical to me.
No, I am not asking to be hated.
How can I accept what I do not understand?
This is my weakness... just mine.If you are sincere about that, then you should probably release yourself from magical thinking and being intolerant. Only then, will you begin to understand homosexuality.
The best way to gain understanding of homosexuality is to ask a homosexual. But that's just asking questions. It isn't always polite to make a statement on something that you do not understand. It is offensive because it introduces preconceived notions
...we have to live with what we do not understand. we have to refrain from being politically incorrect. we have to stay shaking with fear of offending those we must live with...
in a box.
Back in the box I go.Not entirely. Just approach conversation with as few preconceived notions as possible
Preconceived: "(of an idea or opinion) formed before having the evidence for its truth or usefulness:" ...let me see in here... no, no preconceived notions in my box.
- don't worry I'm staying in here from now on.
Being ignorant and fearful of something (homosexuality), making up fake reasons that agree with Christian edicts on the matter but not reality and presenting them as bona fide causes to gays doesn't seem a very good method of reducing fear.
Perhaps Deepes is right - actual knowledge, gained from the people involved, just might quell fear better that insulting them with ridiculous concepts originating in fear and myth.
No, the comment was made to me, and I am a lesbian. Re-read your posts.
OKAY I AM Sorry I mentioned anything about m a s c u l i n i t y to YOU!
Yikes.All I did was clarify who the post was to. That's all. Didn't say anything about you or anything demeaning, so why the defensiveness?
Listen, you yourself said that you didn't understand homosexuality. If you're ignorant about something self admittedly, maybe you shouldn't make assumptions or assertions about it to people that do know about it. Ignorance is no excuse for just saying whatever you want without regards to the consequences of your statements.I am an anonymous person posting ideas for discussion. If you take offense, that is your OWN doing.
But like I said, I'm in the box now. I won't do any more damaging.Sure. Blame the people you insulted whether deliberately or not and refuse to accept the responsibility for your own comments.
I wasn't offended by your statement. In order to be offended by something, it has to mean something to you. But hiding behind the banner of ignorance and blame when called out on posts is not the mature way to communicate.OKAY so I need to become mature in communicating in the HP Forums with other very mature individuals. Excuse me very much for my ignorance and blame. I am NOW safely and maturely in my box.
Thank you for helping out a fellow poster. I have learned a lot.
I'm straight and I don't find it a revulsion, so it's not a fact. Please don't speak for all straight people. You're making us look bad.
Note: Not all straight people are like this.Go for what? Oh I get it, you're thinking I should have a sexual encounter with another male if I don't find it revulsive.
Sorry, I'm simply not attracted to men. See them naked all the time in change rooms and they do nothing for me. Do I care what to consenting adults do behind closed doors? Nope. You know Kathryn, they are people to.Oh really? I thought they were aliens!
How very sad.
I have a child with CP... would you like to come an make fun of his walking ability too?
No wonder you say you feel hatred directed at you. I wonder why that would be.Hiya. I am sure he can afford to take enough of his precious time to put one more simple little *o*!
I do not believe he is THAT dyslexic!
BTW I am actually very good with all children especially special needs children. Where I work, we have the largest special needs swim team in the state (80 + members). I would never laugh at any child for any reason. For you to accuse ME of THAT is really ridiculous.
Anyway I am just playing with Rad Man. He knows I am not being mean.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpFIw_CngUEYes, your sensitivity to others is obvious.
I'm sure that my son isn't *SO* hypotonic that he can't manage that extra step either. I'm sure he's just not putting in the effort.
Sloppy really.
The very best thing to play with someone about is a disability.
Oh, Oh, try this one... next time you see a blind man, kick his cane out from under him. Great fun.Melissa… what is actually wrong? I hope you can figure it out. I really do. Like Rad Man, a grown adult, is really going to be bent out of shape over a comment from an anonymous stranger on these Forums.
I pointed it out to be funny. Sorry it upset YOU so much!Kathyrn, I know what's actually wrong. Not a whole lot of soul searching involved.
Now I'm curious... Do you seriously not know that your posts are offensive? Seriously?
It's actually a running debate whether you do know and are doing it deliberately or you don't know and honestly wonder why you catch so much flack.
I'm of the opinion that no one could be THAT offensive on a regular basis without doing it purpose.
I'm cynical though. It would take a LOT, and I do mean a LOT of obtuseness for one to reach an advanced age without somebody making them aware of it. If it was an accidental thing. One would almost have to purposely stick their head in the sand to maintain such denial.
So yeah, I'm going with you do it on purpose so you can play the victim when someone calls you out on it.
It would offend me if you were doing it to anybody. It specifically offends me because I actually have a friendship with the people you've been attacking and attempting to bully lately.So the question is, am I mean or ignorant.
I am ignorant.
I will definitely put a lid on the box.
That should do the trick.
http://www.last.fm/music/Louis+XIV/_/Al … tle+PiecesThe issue at this point, Kathryn, is that you are trying to use ignorance as an excuse to continue to engage in bad behavior. Ignorance is defined as a lack of knowledge or education. Typically, once ignorance has been exposed, a person that means no offense usually apologizes for the unintended insult and takes care not to repeat the bad behavior. You, on the other hand, you say you don't mean anything by it but when called out on being offensive you go sulk in a corner like a petulant child then come back to the same behavior under the guise of joking. This goes beyond ignorance into mean.
Your comment of working with special needs kids damages your ignorance defense because you should know that dyslexia is a disability and as such a special need that does not go away simply because someone reaches adulthood. It remains a source of frustration even in adults.
I'm a little disappointed because I was actually advocating for you and defending your actions as ignorance. This is why I took the time to come in here and try to educate you (as your op requested). At this point, ignorance is no longer a valid defense when it comes to comments about Rad Man's spelling errors as well as JM's sexual orientation. Any further comments are now a choice to be offensive. I now step aside and whatever happens happensSeriously, do you really not understand?
I'm genuinely curious. Does it seem that people lash out at you more than they do the average person, but you don't understand why? Do you have problems in social settings a lot? Do you feel like you get picked on a lot?
This really isn't typical behavior. All jokes aside, are you trolling us or do you really have a problem understanding all of this? Seriously, if you really don't get why we are turning into a pack (in your opinion) and you'd like help understanding, I can post some links to sites that might help.
I take that as a complement. An ignorant complement. Tell me, how many dyslexic adults do you know that hide the disabilities behind a spell checker? You see, the spell checker doesn't see "to" as being a misspelled word. And to be honest I'm sometimes confused with to and too, but never two, I've got that one. I came to HP to practice my grammar because I spend a fairly good part of my day typing messages to clients and I hate seeing my errors and I need to be clear. So you go ahead and keep pointing them out for me.
So you're good with children with disabilities, but pathetic with adults?
You don't think I'm dyslexic, you are just playing with me and you think I know that you are not just being mean. Well I guess if I was less of a person I would start to comment on your lack of intellectual abilities, but I'm not that kind of person so I won't.I'm safely in a box
with the lid on,
you pack of cards.
Y'all need to get a grip.More name calling and intentional offensive comments. No ignorance in this one. You need to take responsibility for your actions and stop throwing a hissy fit like a petulant child when someone tells you that your words offend. Do you not expect an apology when someone offends you and hurts your feelings?
But, it isn't a fact of life, not at all. I am not repulsed by anyone who is attracted to the same sex, neither are a great deal of people who are straight. It may be a fact of life for you personally, but that would show you are not tolerant of others.
This is just invoking magical thinking in a real life scenario, so it is a meaningless statement.
Unless you can show studies that support your argument, that too is a meaningless statement.
That too invokes magical thinking, it is another meaningless statement.
Again, that would be YOUR personal idea, but it is not shared by a great deal of people, nor is it logical.
They certainly can be taken offensively, especially due to the fact they are ideas that are not shared by many people and the fact you invoke magical thinking into real life scenarios. As well, you show an intolerance to others, which most certainly is offensive.Each to their own way of thinking. Thank you for explaining your way as good food for thought.
Good point, but if you don't mean any offense when someone takes offense, the courteous thing to do is to clarify your position and apologize for the insult and stress that it was unintentional. It is not an admission that your opinion is wrong, just an acknowledgement that you may have offended and an apology for confusion
Listen, you can expect me to apologize for whatever offense you think I launched… But I have already apologized for even mentioning such a preconceived notion as "past lives".
Thats about it.On the contrary. I have no expectations of you whatsoever. You asked a question, I answered. What you do after that is on you. You don't have to apologize for anything you don't want to, especially if you don't think you did anything wrong. All I was saying that it helps for more productive conversation. Merely my opinion. That's all
You value a productive conversation and I value finding the truth of the matter. I have found the truth thanks to your input. I am very grateful. Thanks again.
I value the truth being found in as productive a manner as possible. Makes things easier and less stressful. Valuing finding truth is good but there are ways of finding it without causing a lot of damage
Yeah, I caused a lot of damage.
I'll try to be good from now on.
Got my halo on now.
Love it in this box.
You're welcome. But, I would have to ask if your way of thinking includes magical thinking and an intolerance of others? That is certainly how you are presenting yourself in this thread, which is why some people are finding if offensive. I think you are finding you are quite alone in your way of thinking.
It is up for question whether we change sexual orientation from one life time to the next. I prefer to think we do. Others say definitely not.
Yes, we have past lives. That we do not remember them is a good thing, so lets just drop it.
Thank you, Deepes for your willingness to pursue this topic of discussion. As you say, I did not INTEND to ruffle feathers! I will not apologize for anything except for bringing up past lives. There is a reason we have forgotten them:
So that we can move on and embrace Life however we see fit.
finis.There sure is a lot of noise coming from that box.
Someone should seal it up. A wide open box always gets one in trouble.The essence of the soul is both feminine and masculine.
However, in the man, the soul's feminine essence is hidden or downplayed. In the woman, the masculine essence is hidden or downplayed.
We benefit in marriage through experiencing the essence which manifests predominantly in our partners. In this way marriage helps us get in touch with the deeper essence of ourselves and promotes spiritual evolution.
This is the topic of discussionSorry. Was confused by the topic because you started asking questions about insulting people and if your remarks were offensive. You posted the topic then strayed from it. We simply followed the lead of the forum creator.
Genetically speaking you are out to lunch.
Would you like me to explain how the x and y chromosomes form the sexes? Perhaps instead you could just google it.Now on your topic, the soul has no specific gender, in my opinion. The function of the soul is simply to animate the body. It is the spark that gives us life. Masculinity and femininity are determined by the chromosomes provided at conception.
Been pouring over my biology books, but still haven't found any organ/muscle/bone/tissue/etc. that would explain that "spark".
Could you provide a link or reference to any medical or biological paper discussing that as-yet-discovered "spark"? Would really be interested in reading about it. Thanks.Interesting that you picked only part of my comment while omitting the part where I said "in my opinion". Unlike others, I do not present everything I say as fact unless I can back it up. I stated an opinion of what a soul essentially does. This is assuming a soul exists of course
Cherry picking is frowned upon because it changes the tone of the original post(so I've been told)You said that in regards to gender, the soul was not specific and then want on to talk about the souls function as being the 'spark' that gives us life.
I don't see any reason why I can't ask you about how you know this, considering it isn't in any books regarding life and other functions of the body. I don't think that's cherry picking at all, it's just focusing on one particular and very extraordinary claim, nor does it change the tone of your post at all.
Assuming a soul exists, how can you even comment on it's function when that is not any books, either?
It seem rather incredulous folks talk about these things as if they are true, yet when questioned, they get all uppity.Not getting uppity at all. The statement made was of opinion, not knowledge. Your focus on that statement without including the fact that I said it was an opinion changes the tone to one of a claim of actual knowledge. I never claimed knowledge that this is actually the case. This is the same as my stated belief in God. I don't know for sure and will be okay if I am wrong. This is why it's called opinion and belief. No evidence necessary, especially when one has the understanding that they could be wrong
One can't form an opinion without some knowledge. You need knowledge to know about the soul, you need knowledge to form the opinion that is the spark of life. These require some knowledge. If you knew you were wrong, you wouldn't have made the opinion in the first place, so I can only assume you think you're right.
Where does it say knowledge is required to form an opinion? How often have you formulated an opinion of someone or something without knowledge? You have formulated opinions of posters here without actual knowledge of them personally. The scientific method starts out with an opinion that is then tested for accuracy. No prior knowledge. The world was once thought to be flat but nobody knew for sure until someone set out to test the theory that it was round. Now of course these last two statements are made under the assumption that my history and science teachers were not lying to me to push another agenda
There has to be knowledge, even though the opinion formed may not be certain.
Never.
My opinions are formed entirely on their words, which is knowledge.
That is not true, there MUST be knowledge do when using the scientific method, that is the point entirely to using it.
It was assumed to be flat based on the knowledge of looking at the surface from a small reference frame.
I doubt they were, but they did impart on you knowledge.You just contradicted yourself. Words written on paper (or in this case typed on a forum) are simply words. They are given a tone, emotion, or attitude by the person writing them or by the perception of the person reading them. Of the two, only the writer has actual knowledge of the intended tone of the words they wrote. You have formulated an opinion of an attitude or a specific tone of a bunch of words typed with no actual knowledge of the actual tone or intent of the post.. By calling me uppity, you are stating that you have knowledge of me and my thought process and emotional capacity. Since you have such intimate knowledge of me like that, Please provide verifiable proof that I am an uppity person or you will have proven the contradiction as well as shown that you do actually formulate an opinion without actual knowledge of what you have opined on
I'm a little surprised I have to actually explain this to you. The definition of uppity is not based on tone or emotional capacity, so there's no contradiction. I am basing my use of that word entirely on the use of the defined words you used regarding what is considered frowned upon. Nice try, though.
I'm surprised that you actually tried that myself. Again noting my words without cherry picking what you want to paint an inaccurate picture of me, I repeated what has been said here on HP by others (including yourself) regarding cherry picking to make something say what you want it to say. So realistically, if repeating someone else's words makee uppity, would that not make that other person uppity as well?
Kinda disappointing that you still are standing by your opinion of me with no knowledge. All you had to do is show proof that I am uppity based on the definition.
You made a particular claim and I called you on it, that is not cherry picking no matter how you try to spin doctor it. This has absolutely nothing to do with "tone" and everything to do with the written word and how each word is defined.
I did give you proof, you said that right there: "Cherry picking is frowned upon".
But, I see how you're trying to change the subject so you don't have to substantiate your original claim. Well done. Sorta.
Based entirely on what you just said, it doesn't matter in the least if those partners are same sex or not. They could be two hermaphrodites for all that matters.
I benefit because my husband is intelligent, funny and caring. None of these are masculine or feminine traits. Most of my relationships have been with people with those exact traits, whether they had innies or outies.
In fact, the only purely masculine trait I can think of is the ability to pee standing up without ending up in a puddle. And from my various travels through the deep dark underbelly of the internet, even that isn't a purely male trait.
I'd be curious as to what you think are masculine and feminine traits. That shouldn't be offensive at all.- oh, we are actually neuter? and we get x and y chromosomes as luck of the draw?
No, we, as spirit, tend to manifest as either masculine or feminine and choose our genetic configuration of traits and gender. Who forms us from the genetic material we have at our disposal beginning at entry into the fertilized egg. We ourselves.Not necessarily, but one's gender doesn't guarantee their sexual identity will automatically align. It all hinges on the levels of testosterone and estrogen present during their gestation. You can even see the effects of this by looking at your index and ring fingers (a.k.a. the Digit Ratio Theory).
Straight men and lesbian women tend to have longer ring fingers, due to the high amount of testosterone they were exposed to. Likewise, gay men and straight women tend to have ring and index fingers of equal length, indicating a high amount of exposure to estrogen. There are exceptions, of course, but most of the time, it's an easy way to tell which hormone you've gotten most of.- very interesting, but this is not really a discussion about the chemical make up of homosexuals and heterosexuals.
It is a discussion about each soul having the capabilities and sensitivities of both genders. It is best for each soul to be in touch with it's hidden aspects.Yet, another believer talking about the apparent traits and characteristics of a soul as if they are privy to some special information the rest of the world is not.
The rest of humanity is not privy to knowledge of their own selves?
Yes, they are, many books have been written about humans and what makes them work, the soul isn't one of them. I can only assume you're just making it up as you go along?
You do not perceive you own self as soul?
It is hardly unusual for people not to believe in the soul. Especially those who do not believe in God.
Why should I perceive myself as an imaginary, non-existent thing? Do you perceive yourself as the Easter Bunny? Maybe a dragon or centaur?
I perceive myself as a human being, which is what we all are.animated by spirit, which is your soul.
Uh, you're using a non-existent thing to describe another non-existent thing.
Is there anything in the real world that you actually believe exists?
Much of humanity is privy to themselves as flesh and blood persons only.
A penis or a vagina isn't an "essence". It provides no personally traits. It just means you have a penis or a vagina. Not really need for a conversation about it. It's not "spiritual." It's an appendage or an orifice. It provides no spirituality.
Personality traits are indeed neutral (or neuter). Unless you in your wisdom can name one that isn't?
I don't know about you, but once the egg was fertilized, I was formed by cell division in my mother's uterus. The thing that you call spirit, which I assume is you trying to be mystical, is simply my intelligence and personality. That started forming once cell division produced a brain and that brain began working properly .No. You existed as spirit before entering the fertilized egg. Once you have entered the body you "order" the traits and gender that best suits who you are, (according to who you have become, personality wise, through many incarnations.)
Really?
Good to know.
You realize that entire post was absolute tripe, right?
I know you're trying to be zen, but you are even failing at that. Buddhism and Hinduism are great religions.
You have just described the reincarnation beliefs of neither of them.I realize that the whole post is nonsense to those who can't perceive the astral plane. I accept that we have no knowledge of the astral plane for a reason, just as we can't remember the earth plane once we have died. Can you imagine how it would be if we could remember existing in a heavenly place of no gravity, beautiful colors, no sex, no marriage and be able to come here and compare that existence to THIS one?
ROFLMAO.
I understand the concept of an astral plane dear.
I'm just amused you're using your own version of it to create a waiting queue for a bespoke soul depot.But you can?
Right.
How do these souls multiply again?How do souls come into existence? By jumping into the egg the second it is fertilized. (At the moment of conception, a spark is set off in the astral world. The strongest most determined soul makes it in. Many souls are ready and waiting for bodies. Some were recently rejected.)
Souls come into existence by jumping into an egg...
But they are created by a spark on the astral plane...
And they jump before they exist.
While waiting in line at a bespoke soul depot cum HR department cum wrestling ring.
Gotcha.
And people-who are without souls at the time-get to choose which one they want.
And the souls have a penis or vagina.
But they are both male and female.
The male has positive energy (I assume because he has a pole) and the female has negative energy (because of a hole).
But both are suppressed to make a marriage work.
Which is why Julie must have been a man.
And why Jamie Lee Curtis has a penis.
You know, when you explain it like that, I must admit it's a pretty convincing argument. You're absolutely right.
/thread.No. souls are not created by the spark. They are attracted by the spark. I imagine they hover close to the earth plane once they want to return. They find parents who can facilitate their karma and soul evolution.
The body is created BY the soul, which existed in the astral realm beforehand. The soul's true nature is independent of the body, but strongly identified with the body. Thats why it wants to return to the body after resting on the astral plane for a while... usually about five centuries.
Once you are "body, heart, mind and soul wanting to rejoin God, you will not have to "go out" again, (which Jesus also mentions.)So they hover close to earth waiting for two people to have sex. Gotcha.
Now, they evolve but they get to chose exactly what they want their traits to be? Got a reason for how both exist.
And they fight over who gets to jump into the egg?
Now you said some were rejected... by whom?
And no religion I've ever heard of has any of these beliefs. Just saying. It's impossible in all karmic faiths to have anyone facilitate your karma. It's also impossible to choose which body you enter and any of your life situations.
That was kind of the point of karma and reincarnation.
So you're saying that you have been given information that no other religion has heard of. That's interesting. You must be very special to have been the only one given this information.How are these souls created?
Have you ever read the Golden Compass and the rest of the series? Is that where your getting this from?
From God. He imagined Himself to be...
You!
and Me
and all the millions and billions and trillions of souls that are all around everywhere!But you said they come into existence by jumping into an egg. And that they got to choose their traits. So if they get to choose their traits, how does God make them?
How can nothing imagine itself into being? Could you walk me through that process?They come into material existence on the earth plane. Its is like stepping into a car. Once in the car do you identify with your car? Some do. Some don't and maintain their awareness of the fact that they are not their car. Its like that.
So again, how do they come into non-material existence.
You said they choose what they want to be, how do they choose before they exist?
Please walk me step by step through the process.
Ah, that's what it always comes down to eventually. God done it. End of discussion.
What if you knew for sure? Not knowing is how God gives us free will.
No one knows for sure, if they say they do they are lying.
Free will is an evolutionary necessary illusion.
Humans are not the only species that consciously makes decisions so therefore it's a product of evolution that makes us think we have free will.
It's necessary for our survival that we think our choices are real.
Choices are a product of brain chemistry and are predictable and therefore an illusion.You, Rad Man, may believe what you wish and I may believe what I wish.
Sure, but you are basing your life off nonsense. You are preaching silliness and stuff you have no idea actually exists. It's like you've made up a book of fantasy and claim it to be real. Everything you say is made up and based on nothing. Like the garbage Joseph Smith made up so that he could have lots of wives. Nothing you say is testable or even logical.
Okay, now I know you're just making this stuff up. Perhaps, you should be a writer?
And, you do perceive the astral plane?
No, but there are are those who do. Jesus was one. And yes Jesus was trying to push an agenda...but only to those with "ears to hear."
I take this to mean *willingness to listen.*OK, I got to know... where the hell are you getting all this?
Is there a website you can link to where someone is teaching this bunk or are you just making it up as you go?I would tell you, but you call it bunk. Many people here think the story of Jesus is not factual history. In fact, the internet exposure of my source of information has contributed many damaging lies regarding it. If anyone wishes to email me I would happily refer them to the books I have read.
I don't think so. No one has ever shown they can.
You're just making that up.
Jesus speaks of the astral plane. But only as teensy hints. Basically, "In my Fathers house are many mansions." Paraphrasing: "In heaven there is no marriage." Referring to His and John's past lifetimes as "Elisha and Elijah."
I don't believe you answer my question regarding the ever increasing number of spirits needed. With the ever increasing human population do the spirits multiply as well?
She apparently believes in the Burger King method of reincarnation.
Each soul made YOUR way.
God imagined himself to be a separate part of his whole omnipresent existence which always was and always will be. He, at some point, created each soul as a little drop of spirit in the ocean of Spirit. In other words, He individualized himself and gave that individual bit of Himself free will. Its the result of that free will that issues forth "personality," including characteristics, attachments, likes, dislikes, gender preference, etc." identifying with that set of personality traits, some call it the over soul, some call it the ego, is the result of forgetting that we are essentially soul.
Really. How does one individualize oneself to give oneself free will if one doesn't have that free will yet?
Where is this ocean of spirit?
How do the drops of spirit-who have no form or soul or thought yet-decide and communicate their desired traits to God?
And how are they hovering close to earth to decide which parents?
And how can they evolve AND choose their traits?
Why does karma matter if you can choose your next life?It is all up to the individualized spirit to choose, to decide, to act.
we go out and we go in. In the twinkling of an eye we can return to God if we choose to… with body, mind and soul.How does one individualize oneself to give oneself free will if one doesn't have that free will yet?
Where is this ocean of spirit?
How do the drops of spirit-who have no form or soul or thought yet-decide and communicate their desired traits to God?
And how are they hovering close to earth to decide which parents?
And how can they evolve AND choose their traits?
Why does karma matter if you can choose your next life?
I'm afraid you didn't answer any of these questions.
Some say the soul starts as a rock and evolves to a plant, and then on to higher life forms. Finally after millions of incarnations it evolves to the point of being human. Some say being a cat is the last lifetime existing as an animal. And cats do demand a lot of free will.
Right so all other animals have a spirit as well then?
In the religions that she's currently butchering, yes.
Why would a soul choose to be an animal with less free-will?
And once again, who rejects these souls?Sorry free will or decision making is based on brain chemistry. An Alzheimer's patient looses the ability to make decisions. It has nothing to do you souls and neither does what makes us males or females.
I am not butchering all other religions. I am explaining all other religions. All religions are based on everything I have mentioned. They just misinterpret with limited understanding.
BTW Abortions send the soul back to the astral realm. That is the rejection I refer to.Ha ha ha ha. But you have a superior understanding. Did you know that the Mormons think that they need a secret handshake to get into heaven and Joseph Smih will be sitting beside God as a God checking the handshakes? How does that fit in?
- all religions are based on spiritual truths, or should be.
Then what is the purpose of Karma?
It's there for a reason.
If you get to pick, then what does Karma matter?
And if we get to pick, then why would a soul choose to be born to an abuse alcoholic mother?
Why would a rejected soul pick someone they knew was going to abort them?
Come on Kathryn, you aren't answering any of my questions. Why aren't you answering them? You've got quite a backlog you haven't addressed....too many at once.
Karma: result of cause and effect. Sometimes the effect of what we do in this life time will not take effect until the next. We learn by experiencing the effects of what we have caused. A child born to an alcoholic mother might have been an alcoholic parent in his / her past life.
Q."Why would a rejected soul pick someone they knew was going to abort them?"
A.The flash occurs and there is a chance to live on earth… they take that chance!
This is accurate understanding as opposed to inaccurate understanding.
...not superior.There are limitations to free will on the earth plane of course. However, animals are led by instincts. We are not.
We're not led by instincts?
Then why do we startle when there is a loud noise? Why do we blink when something is coming at our face.
My personal favorite... why does my milk drop when I hear OTHER people's children crying?
And furthermore, how do you know animals are lead by instinct? Do you have privy to their thought process? Were you an ocelot in a former life and remember?Humans are also lead by instinct. We can even teach a dog to make decisions that are against his instinct.
I can through a steak on the ground and tell my dog to leave it and he will. Throw a game console in a room with a kid and tell him not to touch it and then come back in an hour...Logically, a wolf has an instinct to obey the alpha-wolf in the pack. For a domesticated dog, he follows you, his master, as the alpha dog.
It seems: Humans have the instinct to listen to Father, God. They also have a choice not to follow that instinct.
It stands to reason: We have built-in processes for survival.
Facts:
*We have free will to guide ourselves after the age of 15. (Depending on the parents.)
*It takes about 15 years to develop enough ability and knowledge to guide our own wills.
*The first six years of life is nature at work. Nature, (in conjunction with the soul's interactions with the environment) forms the psyche. It is during these early years from 0 to 15 yrs. that one learns to guide one's own will.
*Will-power, won't-power and free-will are three different things.The only flaw in your argument is that wolves, dogs and people are real.
I would agree that some dogs have more free-will than some people.
It ain't the dogs following people around picking up their crap.
It stands to reason that Nature has endowed the alpha-wolf with superior survival capabilities. So the answer is: Nature.
Not nearly as what Nature has endowed mankind with. Man should thus obey nature as well - a return to paganism seems in order where we can all worship trees, rocks, mountains and the sun instead of a make believe god somewhere in a make believe spirit world.
Oh Dear God, don't throw paganism in here too.
We've already got Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Crazy. The problem is trying to stitch conflicting concepts together to have it mesh which results in even more nonsense than usual.But I like paganism. Worshiping something you can actually see, that really does affect your life makes so much more sense.
I'm actually pretty fond of paganism as well to be honest.
I was a practicing Wiccan for years before I converted to Christianity. I still incorporate a lot of the rituals/thought processes into my faith.
That's a conversation for another thread though.
Absolutely. We really need to forget all this mumbo-jumbo about a spirit world, sparks and invisible gods - go with what we can see and what we can know affects our lives.
And rocks are neither male or female. Thats the coolest thing about rocks.
...oh no, trees are male and female.
Hydrogen and Helium might even be negative and positive elements churning within stars!
Any chemists/ scientists/ astronomers out there?You need a chemist to tell you is something is male or female? Just so you know positive and negative doesn't equate to male and female.
It's the innie-outie thing. It's so confusing.
Negativity - that would relate to the female side. As in a repetitious "No, I have a headache".
LOL, so gay men always get sex because two positives will always equal a positive.
Right there! That's the reason for gay men! We figured it out using maths and science.
A very few plants are either male or female, and I assume a handful of those will be trees.
No element is either negative OR positive; all are neutral. Were it not so there would be huge electrical discharges as they searched out the opposite polarity.
And yes, my degree was in chemistry. Long ago, but in chemistry.Hydrogen becomes Helium as the result of the fusion process.
Thats a beautiful chart! Did you make it up? Helium might be negatively charged and hydrogen might be positively charged.
Physically impossible.
Helium is a "noble gas," meaning that its magnetic charge is always neutral. The noble gases do not bond with any other element because of it.what is happening in star chemistry? How is hydrogen charged? Gravity is a factor:
" stars: primarily of hydrogen and helium, there being an equilibrium between the compressional force of gravity and the outward pressure of radiation resulting from internal thermonuclear fusion reactions."
...any body out there go to Cal tech? work at JPL? ...trying to find out if negative and positive forces are involved in making stars.You should probably get away from thinking in terms of positive and negative, as they only refer to charge.
The explanation you copied about stars pretty much says it all, gravity in equilibrium with fusion.
Right, so dogs and wolves like us can choose to follow or not. The other dogs in the pack choose to follow the pack leader or not. Dogs unlike humans will not follow a irate leader. Most large cats follow no one as do most bears. They don't need a leader and don't need to be told what to do.
Hi Kathryn,
Basically, there are two types of energies, and the sum of them is god. One is Static the other one is dynamic. Static energy rests in man, and the dynamic one nests in women. This is god's game. When both these energies unite then there is creation. See analytically: man is the cause but woman fosters the baby. So, man has no change (static), woman's change is visible (Dynamic).
Thus, I conclude. God has created two different kinds of natures (mentalities, traits...), one in female body the other one in male body. Both together can play, create and make the world beautiful. God watches....
However, we the human race do not care for this simple natural truth often -- in many societies. That is why so much fighting worldwide....@ Pix: Thank you for your contribution here!
The woman would be static or yin and the man would be dynamic or yang in my view which is based on Eastern philosophy.
For instance, the egg produced by the female passively receives the dynamic sperm which is produced by the male.
What is your definition of static / dynamic?
Dictionary:
static |ˈstatik|
adjective
1 lacking in movement, action, or change...
2 Physics concerned with bodies at rest or forces in equilibrium. Often contrasted with dynamic.
• (of an electric charge) having gathered on or in an object that cannot conduct a current.
• acting as weight but not moving.
• of statics.
Dictionary
dynamic
adjective
he was eclipsed by his more dynamic colleagues: energetic, spirited, active, lively, zestful, vital, vigorous, forceful, powerful, positive; high-powered, aggressive, bold, enterprising; magnetic, passionate, fiery, high-octane; informal go-getting, peppy, full of get-up-and-go, full of vim and vigor, gutsy, spunky, feisty, go-ahead. ANTONYMS halfhearted.
Maybe you had it backwards.Kathryn,
I replied in a big way, but I do not know why that is not appearing here.
In short, in India, the belief goes, the creator is passive, inactive, indifferent, so (Give search "idol of goddess KALI" in Google) male is the hidden part of energy and female is the manifestation.
If you see the image of Indian goddess Kali, Kali (the female) is in action. But the male energy (Lord Siva) is inactive, lying indifferent below the feet of goddess Kali.
So, any manifestation (Work/Visible Outputor Outcome) is the female part of the god. Anything behind the scene is the male part of the god. Both together make the world. That is how the concept of ARDHANAREESHWAR has come of age.
Regards.Yes, I have heard that God is Yang and the rest of creation is Yin.
- acid is yin in nature: negative.
- alkaline is yang: positiveAs defined by ...??
Because for sure there is nothing intrinsically "yinny" about acid or "yangy" about bases.as defined by "Taoist principles of the balance of yin and yang."
Gotcha. I wonder if the Taoists making that definition call understood the difference chemically between an acid and a base.
Actually, I don't wonder; those definitions seem to have been made long before such information was available.Millions of Taoists just rolled over in their graves.
*gasp* You wouldn't show this thread to a real Taoist! Would you?
Please go on Kathryn... I think there's still a few religions that you haven't completely misinterpreted.
You want to give Rastafarianism a go next?Ya mon. sorry that was my best Rasta accent. Wait, hows this. Hhhhhhhhh, ya mon.
I have it on the very best knowledge that it is impossible to make the "h" sound while inhaling deeply. So you're way off.
It's the sound I remember… ah, no wait, it's the sound I remember hearing others make. yes that it.
Yea baby, last time you said Kensington square, so I let it go.
https://www.google.ca/maps/preview#!q=K … -79.400625Hush! It's squarish. Demmit.
It should be called square.
Bite me.
I'm telling Bruce.
Your rastafarian accent was way worse than my Italian one...LOL
Deepes, don't be a hoser, eh? White Cannuks do a mean Rastafarian accent.
You need proof?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUmIiWLoEuo
(And in one fell swoop, I've both dated myself and told you WAY too much about what kind of teenager I was)
According to Macrobiotics:
Yin is expansion, Yang is contraction.
Yin is inertia, Yang is energy.
They are expressions of natural law.
Fruits are yin, Root vegetables are yang.
Sugar is yin, Salt is yang.I'm wondering if in stars helium is expansive and therefore Yin and Hydrogen is contracting and therefore Yang. What force is creating gravity in stars?
At temperatures above 4 degrees K, Helium is indeed expansive, expanding to fill whatever container it is in.
The same is true for Hydrogen, however, except that the minimum temperature is a little higher.
The same force creates gravity in stars as in any other mass. The attraction of one mass for another; no one knows the intimate details of how or why gravity works.Oh no, are you now about to butcher the gravity as well? Einstein was the first to properly explain what gravity is. He managed without your Yin and Yang. The best way to illustrate gravity is to imagine the sun lying on fabric. It stretches the fabric because of it's mass and anything else on the fabric (planets) rush towards the sun much like placing a bowling ball on a soft bed and placing a golf ball a few inches away. The golf ball rushes towards the bowling ball.
Why do you have to put me down? I am merely sharing information, asking questions and coming to logical conclusions regarding the forces of Yin and Yang and how they manifest in nature. These manifestations are based on ancient Eastern philosophy and wisdom. I am not making any of this up out of my imagination. I think contemplating these opposing forces and analyzing how they balance answers many questions.
Sorry, I'm not meaning to put you down, but your attempt at inserting positive and negative into everything is just plane silly. If you want to study gravity then study gravity, don't invent a bunch of nonsense that you think explains gravity better then Einstein.
Tell that to of centuries worth of valid belief regarding the very real properties of masculine and feminine forces in the universe. If more people were on these apparently little teensy weensy HP forums, they would come on and tell you how silly it is not to regard the philospy of Yin and Yang seriously and respectfully.
"In Chinese philosophy, the concept of yin-yang (simplified Chinese: 阴阳; traditional Chinese: 陰陽; pinyin: yīnyáng), which is often called "yin and yang", is used to describe how seemingly opposite or contrary forces are interconnected and interdependent in the natural world; and, how they give rise to each other as they interrelate to one another. Many natural dualities (such as light and dark, high and low, hot and cold, fire and water, life and dealow, hot and cold, fire and water, life and death, and so on) are thought of as physical manifestations of the yin-yang concept. The concept lies at the origins of many branches of classical Chinese science and philosophy, as well as being a primary guideline of traditional Chinese medicine, and a central principle of different forms of Chinese martial arts and exercise, such as baguazhang, taijiquan (t'ai chi), and qigong (Chi Kusuch as baguazhang, taijiquan (t'ai chi), and qigong (Chi Kung) and of course I Ching."Sorry, filling a post with meaningless buzz words and ancient philosophy does not make it more valuable.
There IS no masculine or feminine "force". There IS no Yin or Yang force. "Contrary forces" do NOT include high and low, hot and cold fire and water, etc. as NONE of those things are forces.
In addition, such terms as are completely relative (high/low, hot/cold/, light/dark, etc.) cannot be considered to be opposite or contrary. Only absolutes can.
That these concepts lie at the origins of chinese philosophy (not science) means exactly nothing: few if any philosophies are useful in describing the universe around us.Oh no need to explain it philosophy to me because I live in the largest Chinese community outside China. 4 members of my family are black belts, some in more than one discipline.
Trying to use it to explain Gravity is silly and the sun is silly. You can go ahead however and use it to explain how you and your husband co-exist in perfect harmony because of the perfect balance between you two. Unlike Muslims and some Christians who view a household leader is necessary the philosophy of Yin and Yang does not.I am referring to the essence of spirit and how it manifests. Thank you for your contribution.
Right, no spirits have ever been shown to exist so how would you have any idea about how something that doesn't exist manifests itself?
You're just making stuff up.If you do not agree with the premise why do you join in?
So this was a thread specifically for people who agree with the statement in the subject line? You should have made that a tad more clear.
It is logical to discus topics and investigate them. Not just dial in to refute.
I didn't dial in just to refute. I listened long enough to realize you are just making stuff up off the top of your head. I thought it was important to let you know that others beside just me can see this. It was one thing when you were attempting to explain the unexplainable with it, but now you've just to things with an explanation. I think it's just best to keep Mr. Einstein's explanation of space-time and gravity instead of adopting Kathryn's.
I have also listened to YOU long enough to realize YOU are just making stuff up off the top of YOUR head. I also think it is important to respond by telling YOU that others besides myself, comprehend YOUR lack of knowledge and recognize YOUR limited capacity to address and discuss topics with an open mind. At the point where YOU can no longer bear it, just refrain from responding so that the others who have more creative intellects are not discouraged from joining a valid and interesting discussion.
Thank YOU.Oh, is that what you are doing… Creative writing. You should have mentioned that up front. It appeared to me you were attempting to explain complex concepts you don't understand with an ancient Chinese philosophy you also don't understand. You see this forum is in the Exploring Religious Options section and not the Creative writing section, if it had been I would have never even seen it.
Never-mind.testing testing 123… I am so surprised I am still here! Yay for freedom of speech! Boo for abuse of it!
Oh, Kathryn you caught me in a rather sour mood today, but I wouldn't say you aren't abusing your freedom to speek, butchering… maybe.
Thanks for respecting my freedom to speak and not asking me to leave. Respect.Yes, we are free to accuse others of abusing and butchering freedom of speech and using dyslexia as an excuse for sloppiness.
1. Referring to double negative: "I wouldn't say you aren't…"
= "I would NOT say you are NOT butchering freedom of speech."
why not just state, "In my opinion, it is YOU who are butchering freedom of speech."
2. and "...freedom to speek (sp)…" (and yet on the next line you spelled it just fine.)
You're welcome for something… not sure what.
I am disappointed that you do not show the slightest inclination to accept boundaries of common sense and respect for others.
But as you admitted, you are in a "sour mood."
Thanks for not inflicting it upon us more harshly than you have.
Could be worse, I guess.And that is a personal attack.
If you're going to try to be a cyber-bully, at least be good at it.
Attacking someone because of their disability, several times, is not acceptable. That's not free speech. I hope they take your posting privileges away.Hi Melissa. Welcome! I will learn from you how to not cyber bully! You are a great example.
Thank you for your words of wisdom.Disagreeing with someone's odd ideas isn't bullying. Making fun of a disability is. It's also hate speech as well as a personal attack.
Are you sure you want to get in the middle of this? It serves only to pinpoint the the juvenileness of it. The crux of it is this: He pretty much labeled me as "silly".
RadMan: "Trying to use it, (it =philosophy of Yin and Yang,) to explain Gravity is silly and the sun is silly," but he doesn't cut ME any slack. Why don't you tell him, "You should not tell Kathryn that what she is discussing is 'silly?'"
So, yeah, he started it.
If he does not agree with the premise why join in? Yes, one can explain WHY they think it is silly, but he discounted it altogether. As he always does. Why do you stand up for him? This is a forum for people who agree that there is a soul and whether or not it is masculine and feminine in nature as it relates to yin and yang, positive and negative, static and dynamic, etc.
If you can't hang, don't. Some might want to.
PS I never said gravity was involved… but maybe it is… you never know unless you think about it. Why would he want to shut down thought?
Because it might lead to the possibility of the existence of God?
HORRORS!I'm missing the part where you bringing up his disability and using it to ridicule him is acceptable.
Oh, because that point doesn't exist....because I believe he is using it as excuse for sloppiness. He cuts me no slack and therefore, invites the same treatment. He establishes the lack of boundaries. He can dish it out but he can't take it?
Obviously, he can.
In fact he encourages correction.
How do you know that despite our differences, I am not just trying to be helpful?
After all, in the end we are just a pack of cards to each other!So you are making fun of his disability because he said you were wrong?
Wow, add abusive to cyberbullying. And blaming the victim of your abuse too? Classic.Isn't it great to have something to get all worked up about? it takes one away from one's real problems. Me? I am stuck in a domestic situation when what I really wanted in life was to be a great artist. Probably like I was in my last life. Oh, the agony of not fulfilling one's true destiny. What was yours, Melissa? Never mind if you are happily fulfilling yours. (I am really not a mean person, but you like to think so.)
I actually have a ridiculously happy life filled with people I love that love me.
I'm sorry you aren't happy in your life.
It still doesn't give you the right to attack somebody based on their disability.For anyone to shut me down is abuse, yet you call me abusive. Thanks Melissa. Is this how not to cyber bully?
C YA.If you say so Kathyrn. But stopping someone from hurting others with cruelty doesn't really fall under the category of abuse in my mind.
All of this because someone said you were wrong? And you said you worked with disabled kids? It's sad Kathryn, and it's dangerous. No one sees you as the victim here. You are the abuser. If you like I can find you some help for your anger issues.Two or three things.
I didn't shut you down, I simply gave my opinion (freedom of speech).
I didn't call you silly, I said what you were doing was silly (actions). You said I was sloppy (me), and unfortunately I was rather sloppy with grammar and typing today. Thanks for pointing that out, I already knew it, but thanks anyway. It's rather like walking up to an person with crutches and telling them they are walking slowly and poorly. This just in, they already know.
BTW. You don't bother me by pointing out my grammatical errors, but it does seem to bother others, so unless you want to bother others you may want to stop and I'll attempt to make less errors. Not promising anything.
Pix:
So, focusing on God is a very Yang activity as it is Contracting with Energy toward one's center to Focus on God, (as the reality of our own essence.) Usually we are engaged in restless (Yin) activity which takes us away from our core quality which is Yang.
Concentration and focus are yang activities which are good to cultivate at any age.It is silly to argue just for the sake of arguing. Silly. The highest good is that which is for the sake of it self and something else. To argue only for the sake or arguing is the lowest form of good.
So why bother?I like the spiritual feeling this post radiates. Spiritual strikes me as individual and not couple. The late Stuart Wilde (Taoist lecturer and author) summed it up as "silent power" which changed his life from a businessman to a seeker of the Infinite Self. "We are all part of the God Force", he has stated in his recordings. In my closing I will add that being spiritual can improve a person's overall wellbeing.
That's an opinion, unless you have evidence to back up your opinion.
Go to your library and reserve the CD's entitled, "Infinite Self 33 Steps to Reclaiming Your Inner Power" by Stuart Wilde. In his lifetime Mr. Wilde has believed in the teachings of the Tao ( ancient Chinese spirituality). This is challenging to prove so you must open your mind and practice its disciplines to seek out the world beyond this life. Can you prove if there is life after death? That is all I can tell you. PEACE.
Five points to you for that one!
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