Love thy enemies and the bad guys?

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   Castlepalomaposted 10 years ago

   Every church I've visited, the pastor talks about loving your enemies and just about every Christian I've ever met talks about getting the bad guys. I have no enemies and think people are generally good. Really do not understand Christian on pro-life, death penalties, gays, guns and hundreds of  other BS and hypocrisy views . It makes us continuous fight each other, wail the greedy rich walk away with our money.
   
   USA is most populated Christian country in the world with 5 times the prisons and 12 times per capita war budget than the average Country. Most inmates are jailed for growing the most important plant on earth, cannabis. The US treasury vaults gold has been stolen and replace with opium stolen from the poor. Who are these bad guys? What would Jesus say or what would very intelligent aliens say if the visit this planet and show USA is the best we got?.
   
   Do you think or believe, is it a good Idea to cut the war budget and prison budget in half from leading Christian soldiers and give it toward to the education, health treatment and the natural environment budgets? Or is it a bad idea to be too green and too kind for the people. Can we do better than killing millions of species to extinction in the last century?

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      Emile Rposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      First, I'm curious why you think the USA is the best we have?  Second, I doubt either Jesus or intelligent aliens couldn't help us all do a little better.

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         wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         I have to wonder what makes him think Fort Knox has been filled with stolen opium.

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            Emile Rposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Well, it has to be full of something and the probability that it is gold is pretty slim.

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               wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               I have heard stories that there is no gold, but haven't a clue whether they are true or not. 
               
               Stolen opium, though, seems a little far out.

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                  Emile Rposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  Yeh. It is far out. It will be interesting to hear his reply.

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                  Castlepalomaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  Why have they tripled production of opium since the Americans arrived in poor countries
                  Could it be opium is 60 million dollars a barrow , oil is only $80 a barrow and won't fit in the vaults as easy.

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                     Chris Nealposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     $60 million dollars a barrel? I knew it was expensive, but where did you get that figure?
                     
                     It is well known that many rebel groups sell opium for the drug trade in order to finance their fights. In light of that, why would it necessarily be more logical that the opium would be stockpiled in an American military facility? And although I don't want to make any assumptions, you seem to be suggesting that America is buying opium from Afghanistan instead of oil. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I wasn't aware that Afghanistan actually produces oil. So that would be a false conclusion.
                     
                     Yes, America does consume the most, but in what way does that make it 'the best?' Don't get me wrong, I'm patriotic, but if aliens actually came to Earth and were to interact with, say, Belgians or South Africans or Greeks, would they actually say, "Yeah, go look at the United States. That's the best we've got"?
                     
                     And why is your initial question such an either/or? Why can't we be kinder to people even if we don't go greener?

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            Chris Nealposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            I wondered that myself.

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               Castlepalomaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               I don't think it's kind to anyone to spend a trillion dollars going after and killing one man.
               It is well-documented that the U.S. government has – at least at some times in some parts of the world – protected drug operations. The U.S. military has openly said that it is protecting Afghan poppy fields: Big American banks also launder money for drug cartels. Afghan grows 75% of the world opium , and plans is ti increase it to 90%. It dose not take most of the militarily might of the world to kill off these plant, when profit is their main goal. You honestly think they care for poor.
               
               check globalsearch.ca

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                  Chris Nealposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  Did you mean 'globalresearch.ca'?
                  
                  If you are expecting me to defend my country's actions under any circumstances, you haven't read enough of my stuff. But, at the same time, many of the blanketly anti-American interpretations of things aren't always accurate either. Do I really think the military cares for the poor? Yes, most of the time. But that doesn't mean that everything they did, no matter how well intentioned, was the right thing to do. A lot of it was short-sighted, or seen through the myopic tunnel-vision not uncommon to a rich country. And not, I don't think we've always cared for the poor.
                  
                  The reason the military is protecting Afghan poppy fields is because, at US insistence, these farmers TRIED growing other crops and didn't make enough money to survive. I'm the first to say that it's not a perfect solution and yeah, it's a bit hypocritical. I'm not the biggest fan of pure pragmatism but sometimes, you really have to go with what works, if the alternative is a starving population that grows slowly more bitter toward you.

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                     Castlepalomaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     Yes, 'globalresearch.ca' oowsps
                     
                     We are leaving Afghanistan after 12 years with nothing to show for it but trillions of dollars wasted and thousands of lives lost. Afghanistan is a devastated country with a weak, puppet government—and now we negotiate with those very people we fought for those 12 years, who are preparing to return to power! Still we learn nothing.
                     
                     I'm not anti anything, just curious and question everything, especially the war of the Classes.  US with 4% of the world's population along with a war budget  of half of the total world's budget. Then we know it's about an offensive power and greed, not about helping the poor. If they were, they would be helping most of the countries in Centro Africa, unless they have oil.
                     
                     Ron Paul stated 75% of the USA military plane are flying out the opium out of Afghanistan. Where to, Ft Knox? since nobody know what in those vaults, since 1960, where then?

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         Castlepalomaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Emile R
         Just ask American's what country is the best?, they do consume the most.
         I think Aliens have not arrived yet, since human have not found any living creatures from another planet. Can only imagine if alien did land here, by reason they would far more kinder and intelligent, not like the War of the worlds movies they keep sausage pumping out or like in the bronze age.

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   aka-djposted 10 years ago

   I see you have no takers to this thread!
   
   Oh well, here goes.
   
   I think you'd be shocked, beyond belief, how many (true) Christians you would find in the USA. I mean, as God sees them.
   
   It's never helpful to associate the evils of a country, with the Christian banner flying on someone's mast, who is the farthest on from that group.
   
   If I read my news and information correctly, the country, war machine, politics, economy, law, etc is run by evil groups, who care nothing about the man on the street.
   
   God is being abolished from every quarter, as fast as they can move.
   
   No wonder it (USA) looks more like the evil than the good.

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      Emile Rposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      That's great dj. We have all seen the 'you aren't a real Christian' comments between you guys. Now, you've upped the ante with a whole country not containing real Christians. Bold move, on your part.  I guess you don't need love when you've got self righteousness in your hand and the ability to judge large swaths without the benefit of knowing the individuals.
      
      I suppose you'll chalk my comment up to the folly of true evil. Sometimes, when you look at how quickly we write each other off, you wonder how anyone in history could have begun with a belief that man is in God's image and God loved the world.

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      Disappearingheadposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Could you please define exactly what is a true Christian and what is not?

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      EncephaloiDeadposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Can we go way out on a limb here and assume you believe that you are one of those true Christians, as God sees you?

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      Castlepalomaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      DJ
      The most major wars and greatest killer of all time is the war of the classes. I would not say evil , because it makes human's sub human demons, in order to kill them much easier. Authorities kill more people than criminal do. Add in a bronze age and med evil  laws, you have base for greed at it's best and punishment like hell, far worst than the crime

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