Women. Religion’s longest running victims.

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   Gnostic Bishopposted 10 years ago

   Women. Religion’s longest running victims.
   
   Here we are in civilized and enlightened societies and cultures in high tech times and we are not smart enough to recognize that the world will continue in strife as long as we men do not give women full equality as a minimum to what men should do towards the care of families.
   
   I hope you are astute enough to see this. If you do nothing then you know not what duty to your family should be. The women in your family deserve to be first class citizens.
   
   Men are maintaining God’s curse against women. He will rule over you.
   
   Men. Christians, Catholics and Muslims. Free your women. It’s time. Man up.
   
   Please.
   
   Regards
   DL

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      Emile Rposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Who cares about religion? Our government needs to ensure equality for women in the work place.

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         Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Right you are, but when the government is being swayed by the religious it become problematic.

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   Sed-meposted 10 years ago

   This is incredibly offensive and I don't know why this post is permitted.

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      Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Why? Genesis is offensive as it subjugates women. Do you not think women are equal to men and should be treated as equal. Studies show that women drag their husbands to church only to be told they are less than. That's offensive.

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         Sed-meposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         I find agendas offensive when they are trite and petty.

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            Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            You find equality of the sexes trite and petty?

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               Sed-meposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               Not only are the sexes equal, but we are treasured equally in God's eyes according to scripture. I find the need to begin two threads a day, which attack the faith of ppl who believe differently than you, a form of bigotry, which is not only petty, but ugly and lacking in maturity.

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                  Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  Did I begin two threads a day to form bigotry? Is asking for equal rights bigoted? Do you believe the women in Saudi Arabia should be allowed to drive? Is it bigoted to say they should be allowed to drive? Is it bigoted to state that the Catholic church should allow women to become priests?
                  
                  There are two things I can't stand, bigotry and the Dutch. (that was an Austin Powers joke people)

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                     Sed-meposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     I didn't say *you did it. As a matter of fact, I didn't point the finger at any one individual. I'm just talking about the need some ppl seem to have to tear down other ppl's faith. It seems a pointless endeavor and I can't imagine spending my life doing it when there are so many good shows on Netflix.

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                        Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                        So rather than stop Isis we should watch Netflix?

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                           Sed-meposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                           Well, Obama has a plan, I will be praying... you can watch Netflix... or whatever.

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                     Emile Rposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     For me, it is spiders and visigoths.
                     
                     But, women of the Middle East could certainly do more to push for their rights; if they are truly looking for them. I would never acquiesce to such an arrangement. I'd leave if i couldn't change it.

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                        Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                        The problem is they are told it's part of God's plan. We have Muslims in North America leaving to be part of the movement.

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                  Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  1 Corinthians 14:35 - And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
                  
                  1 Timothy 2:12 - But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
                  
                  Let's not forget that as the story goes God had no intention of creating Eve. He created Adam and then looked for a suitable companion within the animals.

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                     Sed-meposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     I guess no matter what time of day I post, I can count on the constancy of your desire to create debate. Ok... so here we go.
                     
                     "For there is no partiality with God" (Romans 2:11)
                     
                     ("1 Corinthians 14:35 - And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.")
                     
                     So b/c God created this order; for men to lead the meetings of the saints... you find that women are not equal? He also created women to carry and bring forth life. So... does God believe men are less worthy than women b/c He did not allow them this sacred task?
                     
                     Below are verses from Gal. 5. They are the man's instructions on how to treat his wife, and how she should treat him.
                     
                     "*Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her
                     *In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.
                     *However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband."
                     
                     Eph 5:21 says that husbands and wives should submit to one another...
                     
                     Once again, you have to take the whole Bible in context and read other verses... not "cherry pick" them as you and JM are so fond of saying. If you read James, Acts, Romans, I Peter, Eph, Gal, Col, and Ez, you will see that over and over again, the Bible proclaims the Lord shows no partiality... not for nationality, slave, free-man, rich, poor.

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                        Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                        "for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."

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                           Sed-meposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                           Sorry, I missed your response.
                           Right... God set up the rule, so if a woman were to break the rule, it would be to her shame.
                           God also doesn't like it when men dress as women and vice versa. Basically, how ever He has established any thing, it is to our shame if we act in defiance of His wishes. I suppose you would have to read quite a bit of the Bible to understand His heart a little better. He is ultimately a parent, we are ultimately children. A student does not know more than his teacher, and it stands to reason that the creation does not know more than his creator.

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                              Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                              This should be a clue to you that the bible was not written by someone who has a good sense of morality. Men in Scotland were skirt and women in the east wear pants. It this ethically a problem?

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                                 Sed-meposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                 Uh no. I don't think it is. I think what God finds offensive is when a man dresses as a woman, not as men of his region dress. Men in Jesus' time wore robes... they were not dressing as women, they were wearing what was "acceptable menswear" during that time. You can argue with it if you want, I didn't make the rule, it is simply my part to obey.

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                                    Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                    That's what upsets your God? Really?

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                                       Sed-meposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                       Have a nice day Rad, see you after church.

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                                          Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                          You don't see the absurdity of claiming your God (maker of the universe, knower of all, all powerful) doesn't like to see men dressed as women, even though your talking about men who wore robes? That's what upsets him?

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                                             Sed-meposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                             I don't see the absurdity in it b/c it is His preference. I suppose you have your preferences and they belong to you. If I called them absurd, that would make little sense as a preference is personal. He is God, He created all things so for Him to have preferences would only make sense. For them to match yours would be absurd as your preferences are contrary to His in the first place.

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                                                Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                                Does he have a favourite colour. Can I wear pink?

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                                                   Sed-meposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                                   I'm pretty sure it's ok, but you should ask Him.
                                                   I wonder if God has a favorite color... He surely uses a lot of blue, but then there are those who might think He uses more green. I have a preference towards blue myself.

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                                                      Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                                      Does he have eyes like ours? Can he see the same colour spectrum? Can he see ultraviolet light? Why can't we see ultraviolet light? If he made the universe for us, why add colours we can't see?

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                                                         Sed-meposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                                         We are created in His image so I assume He does have eyes.
                                                         This is a list of a few verses that mention God's eyes:
                                                         http://www.openbible.info/topics/gods_eyes
                                                         
                                                         Why would He not be able to see color?
                                                         Do you not love the fact that there are millions of things we didn't know that we eventually discover?
                                                         I do. I love the fact that, we thought the world was flat, that we didn't know about the atom, that we then come up with this idea of string theory... x-rays, penicillin, chemo therapy, the list goes on and on of the things we discover as we grow in knowledge. As technology grows we go to the moon, we develop the Hubble scope... even the human body, like how the human body (minus the steroids) is capable of reaching new Olympic records that we never had before. Ultra violet light? Yeah... I would say that's cool that we are even able to discuss something we can't see...

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   usamaahmedposted 10 years ago

   Isis is totolly terriost organization not even a muslim..they doing everything against islamic teaching.
   I'm muslim and I know this types of thing is not allowed in islam.

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      Sed-meposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      You are right.

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      Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      They are a nasty group I'll give you that, but are not Muslims supposed to live under Islamic sharia law? Are they not supposed to tax people of other religions at a higher rate until they convert?

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   Gnostic Bishopposted 10 years ago

   Rad Man
   
   Thanks for the hand. I did not get a notice and that is why I am late.
   
   Good work BTW.
   
   Strange that it is women who deny that they are being discriminated against without just cause and they do not seem to show any loyalty to their own.
   
   Perhaps you and I are fools to try to try to force equality on women who want to be inferior.
   
   Regards
   DL

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      Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks DL,
      
      It would appear indoctrination is a very powerful thing.
      
      "But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is the same as having her head shaved. For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head. A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man."[1 Cor. 11:3–9]
      
      I don't see how we can fight this stuff.

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         Gnostic Bishopposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Logic and reason are all I have but if you are good at ridicule, some think it a worthy tool.
         
         Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
         
         Regards
         DL

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