False prophets shall rise; truth will prevail.

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Cgenaeaposted 10 years ago
It is at my attention that many people teach the bible just a little bit differently than Jesus did.
Is that not his book? Is it not he who should be sought after for truth? Can one "improve" his messages? Yes; yes; no.
The bible, if you believe any of it, is fine. It stands on its own legs and carries the weight of millions upon its back.
To understand the messages; one must know the deliverer of the messages. Jesus. For without him, nothing was made. All things were made through him.
If you believe any of the bible; it is important to believe it all.
The very elect among us will be fooled. So, how do we stay assured of our right standing with God??? Believe ALL that he says; in the spirit of which he said all things.
This discussion should include whatever comes to mind.
Time is getting short, again. We only have until our final breath left.
The bible is the Christian book, and Jesus is first-born of his lineage. He is the king of kings. His father gave him that position, for in him, God was well pleased. He is the authority.
Say what he says; take on his mind; follow him. He's going to the kingdom.
How do we understand what he says? Receive him alone. False prophets have arisen.
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  wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  "Is that not his book?"
  
  No. It was not written by him, and very little of the book is about him, either.
  
  "If you believe any of the bible; it is important to believe it all. "
  
  And yet we know that much of it is absolutely false to fact. The flood, creation in 7 days, reanimation of rotting corpses, etc. are known to be false. Best no believe none of it then?
  
  "False prophets have arisen." Indeed they have; we've seen some of the right here in these forums. Claiming to have received God's word but unable to provide evidence of it, claiming to have the spirit in them but with messages differing from the other "prophets" posting. Best to ignore them all and let God speak directly to us, with the only problem being that that never (verifiably) happens.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Hi.
  We really do not have to discuss it. I'd like to help some who wonder about it...so maybe you should not be on the list???
  However, for the record, I believe all the things you mentioned, did happen in some form or another. Those facts are strictly protected by each man. In his heart. I mean, each of God's men; in their hearts. They believe the report of the Lord.
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  wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  *shrug* Belief and truth/fact are often at odds with each other.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly! We need to know which one to pick.
  My belief matches truth. Win-win.
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  Jomine Joseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  The truth as opinionated by ancient charlatans.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  And the spirit of God.
  Don't forget the spirit of God
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  Jomine Joseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  From the "authentic" pen of the same lying scribes!
  
  Circular logic too.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  If I am going to go in circles, Jesus will be in the center, not me. Not infidels.
  Someone knows the real truth, and ALL my "money" is on calvary. Say what you will...
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  Jomine Joseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  You are going in circles and jesus is no where to be seen.
  Ha you know the real truth. Memorizing an ancient book has nothing to do with truth, but of course your truth is your opinion.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus is hiding from you...I see him clearly.
  Memorization of an ancient book is NOT what reveals truth. Many of you know it well. But no reasoning you could muster will produce a smidgen of truth if God is not in it.
  I once had a conversation here about my lack of education. It was super dooper hilarious! One poster reasoned it out very well. But without knowing, she reasoned herself into dark territory. I got papers. no amount of sound reason could lead her to the truth that she saw/sought.
  My point... you may reason the most reasonable reason, reasonably reasoned. Without truth...u fail. Everytime...
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  Jomine Joseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Believing it without questioning and be fooled by those charlatans who wrote it is truth?
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  There is no way that I, personally, believed any of it without questioning.
  I spent all my formative years WATCHING him work in the lives of others. I remember him touching me. I remember the dreams that were specifically designed. I could come to no other conclusion other than, God is real.
  Since I believed that, it alone qualified me to "come to the throne of grace and receive mercy." (Disbelief is grueling when that "imaginary" force keeps whispering from the INSIDE.)
  God said, "Come to me all ye that labor and are heavy-laden, and I will give you rest."
  A little faith grows exponentially. Then no one can take it away. It becomes your very own story. I am proof.
  I aint perfect, im severely flawed. I aint better, im a tad worse. I aint smarter, im a bit dumber. (I said a bit, dont get it twisted )
  He gave me himself when I sat down to listen. He guided me through the bible effortlessly. I remember being WOWED at the things he revealed to me once I tugged on the hem of his garment.
  The phony folks are the ones who mess it up. That's why we must test the spirit (personality) of the messenger of God by the spirit (personality) of Jesus. The real Jesus who is plainly evident via scripture. Jesus said love your enemy (give even he, the good news) bless them that curse you (forgive them Father... ) do good to them that hate you. (Multiply the meal and feed even the heart who listens to use what you say against you ) Pray for them who despitefully use and persecute you...
  If you then hear a person say, "you need to just shoot em in the face!" You hear the DIFFERENCE... you know it aint the right "personality"
  I'm grateful. Sorry...
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  Jomine Joseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Confirmation bias.
  And without the bible if you can't be a good human, pity on you.
  And if you have cared to read it you will find jesus said not a single law of ot, which advocate genocide, is to be changed. You will also find in revelation that the select are a few "virgin" males only.
  And what exactly jesus said is open to question as there was no jesus as stated in NT.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Is that the final answer, Your Honor?
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  Jomine Joseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Edited
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Who told you all that stuff about my Jesus???!!!
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  Jomine Joseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  What stuff?
  I said what is there in the bible; mathew 5:17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. ... but the new creation of the heart to holiness, produces a thorough change in a man's .... pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished."
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus "accomplished" it when he died. Member? He said, "It is finished." (That means accomplished in Hebrew)
  Ok, maybe this is too much fun. I'm feeling giddy.
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  Jomine Joseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  What does this irrelevant comment mean?
  Not a letter of OT to be changed is what jesus said and OT advocate genocide. What did jesus accomplish other that his death and what does it matter in a fiction?
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus did what we could not. He lived fully sin-free and walked totally by spirit of God. He then died with that law. (Hey, I think I like that, if I'm in err, the spirit will be along) He rose with all power. Follow my law. Not different, but understood. He illustrated the path and the mindset behind it.
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  Jomine Joseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Again what is the relevance of this fiction to the question?
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I dont know.
  I give up. You are totally unconvinced and now I might not get that 50 dollars for referring a friend. Lol...
  We will just agree that I am superior in your opinion. And that my knowledge intelligence and reasoning will never compare to yours as long as I remain stuck dumb with faith.
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  Jomine Joseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  
  You are again posting irrelevant things instead of answering the questions.
  
  You are superior and others inferior in your opinion. You call yourself superior and others inferior in this public forum.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  You forgot to wave the pendulum in my face. I dont think it took...
  Try again.
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  Jomine Joseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  ???
  Again claiming superiority after so much irrelevant talk?
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  You should read and remember what you write, one day.
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  Cat333posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  So much beauty and truth in this post, Cgenaea!
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I'm grateful to know... my heart goes out...
  I humbly say thanks for the encouragement.
  Bloody wounds need bandages. The Samaritan may attest... for some reason, the Lord brings me boxes of them daily. Lol... My script is spiritual.
  You are salt and light. I so appreciate your contributions...
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  Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Which truth is that? The truth that 3 people went to the tomb or the truth that 1 person went? The truth that there was someone inside or the truth that no one was inside?
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Ya know...I was SURE that you were of the opinion that one should gather ALL THE FACTS before making a decision one way orthe other.
  Your bias has once again reared its precious head.
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  Cat333posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Well said, inspired words, Cgenaea!
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  Jomine Joseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  It is fortunate that you know what jesus said exactly, as others have no idea.
  
  It is "others", I hope.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I know exactly, the message he conveyed.
  It wud be very difficult for you to know, that was one of his messages.
  Hello Jomine.
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  Jomine Joseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  And the rest of the christians in hubpages, false prophets who have no idea what jesus said?
  Hi.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I aint privy to that... God knows.
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  Jomine Joseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  But your thread states otherwise.
  Your thread specifically says you know something others don't.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I responded to your inquiry about exactly what it is that others know or dont. I cannot tell you that. But if you give me specifics, I can do it all day too.
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  Jomine Joseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  You say you know
  Then you say others don't know.
  Then you say only god knows.
  
  Or in other words you are saying that what you say is what god said and if anyone disagree with you they are false prophets at the same time denying you said so.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I say anything that goes against what Jesus said is wrong.
  If you tell me that everyone is welcome into heaven no matter what...you are a liar. Jesus said differently.
  If you tell me that Jesus is not nor should be focal in Christianity, you are a liar. Jesus (and God) said differently.
  If you tell me that the bible is flawed and should not be relied upon to give us true reference for the kingdom of God, guess what...
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  Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  The bible is flawed. We have shown you how. Jesus did not exist. He is made up.
  
  Sorry for your loss.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I've loss nothing. You've shown me no such thing. The bible still stands...
  You have not realized your faith in "bible busters" and my faith on the other side.
  Do you know yourself how the bible contradicts itself; or did you believe someone or something else when they said it???
  I know for myself...
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  psycheskinnerposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  As does RA and as do I. We can read and the Bible is freely available, as it the history of how the texts within it were collected together from their various and sometimes inconsistent sources.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  A book that comes from different places. Different time zones. Different pens (some or all unknown). Different generations? And it all agrees. Gotta be majickal.
  71 books agree???
  I'm grateful that the Lord thought enough of MY questions to answer them all (majickally before I was born, lol). It is mirackyulus too!!!
  I love it! No one can show me flaw. There isn't one. People take the insignificant to mull over. God has chosen the foolish things to confound the "wise already."
  He fills the empty cup...
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  Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Yes - I have actually read it. Got an original.
  
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Oh!!! Now I see our main issue.
  Expect to receive nothing from the Lord.
  You may Google the second sentence. It's been said before.
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  Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  
  I don't - as it doesn't exist - why would I?
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly!!! The "doesn't exist" part is only in your mind but you don't know that... how could you???
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  Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Common sense, logic and any number of other ways of using my brain. You should try it.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you, no. My brain works fine without all the clutter.
  Yalls no I caint let gos ma fath.
  I do not know if you may tell or not,
  but I really am quite intelligent. I'm grateful for knowledge bestowed. The English language is my favorite. Grammar, spelling, sentence structure... figuring out how to build/tear down/rearrange...all specialties of mine. I adore thinking about words.
  You will hear about it rarely. I have no horns to toot. I just like for it to be known. Ya know... just in case I'm better at playing it down than I thought. Lol...
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  Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Ah - using the brain for the purpose it was "designed" for is "clutter". That does explain a lot.
  
  Still - who would know better than god what use this organic computer we have in our heads should be used for than you. After all - he only made it this way to test the faithful.
  
  Intelligent enough to think that you should stop reasoning things through I suppose. We all know that reason is the enemy of faith. Don't we.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, I forgot to mention it. I reason just fine. The clutter is distracting, I forgot just how much.
  No, leaning upon/giving full confidence to your reasoning is the enemy. It just makes one simply too confident in nothing.
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  Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Well - you had me fooled. Reason is nothing now, but you reason just fine. Interesting. You sure you enjoy using the English language, because the contradictions are becoming overwhelming?
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I have a marvelous bed too. Means nothing. I dance well. Got a decent body. I eat M&Ms by the handful. And I sing pretty well. None of those things that I have or like mean zilch to the world of truth.
  My brain is insignificanter... I couldn't put together nor solve many an algebraic equation. Does that mean that the brain of a mathematician is somehow more valuable??? I think nawt... you keep cranking out those formulas... the feet of Jesus is where I'll be...resting.
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  Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Not sure what any of that has to do with your ability to reason. I never said anything about certain brains being more or less valuable either. Jesus ddid not exist so good luck with your hope there.
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  Jomine Joseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't tell you, you told me that you know what exactly jesus said while others don't.
  And bible is no different fron Harry Potter the information from bible have as much credibility as from Harry Potter.
  If somebody tell you that is earth is flat and if I tell you it is not, am I lying?
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janesixposted 10 years ago
How can you believe ALL of a book that is full of contradictions? Just take a look at the four gospels, they are all different with contradictions throughout.
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Cgenaeaposted 10 years ago
What contradiction are you misreading?
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Try opening up your book randomly, I'll bet you'll find one right away.
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Cgenaeaposted 10 years ago
I do know the personality behind the words. I haven't found one. Though I have never opened up the book randomly looking for a discrepancy. I guess if I do...im likely to find a lot wrong with the bible.
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  There is a lot wrong with the Bible.
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Cgenaeaposted 10 years ago
I think you said that... the question I asked is what contradiction?
Do you know Jesus?
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I can't think of any off the top of my head. But I know they are there. It's one of the reasons I don't like the Bible. I haven't read it in a while. The last part I read recently was Revelation, when I was in doom mode.
  
  Whenever I pull out the Bible, I know it's time to get a med check.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I remember.
  I still say that for the Christian; the book is the bible. No Christian; no bible. It's clear. This conversation is for whatever comes to mind. So thanks. Forgettable contradictions. If you think of what they are, please share.
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I will let the atheists come along and post some contradictions for you. They are better versed in the Bible than the theists.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Ok.
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  Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  That's easy peasy.
  
  Mark 15:25 It was nine in the morning when they crucified him.
  John 19:14 It was the day of Preparation of the Passover; it was about noon.
  
  What time was that again?
  
  Mark 16:1-5 When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus’ body. 2 Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb 3 and they asked each other, “Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?” But when they looked up, they saw that the stone, which was very large, had been rolled away. 5 As they entered the tomb, they saw a young man dressed in a white robe sitting on the right side, and they were alarmed.
  
  John 20:1-10 Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. 2 So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don’t know where they have put him!” 3 So Peter and the other disciple started for the tomb. 4 Both were running, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first. 5 He bent over and looked in at the strips of linen lying there but did not go in. 6 Then Simon Peter came along behind him and went straight into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there, 7 as well as the cloth that had been wrapped around Jesus’ head. The cloth was still lying in its place, separate from the linen. 8 Finally the other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went inside. He saw and believed. 9 (They still did not understand from Scripture that Jesus had to rise from the dead.) 10 Then the disciples went back to where they were staying.
  
  Rather different stories. One says three people, the other says one. One says there was someone inside the other doesn't. I particularly like the part where one guy and 2 women were wondering who was going to roll the stone away. Good times. I could do this all day.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Mark 15:25 It was nine in the morning when they crucified him.John 19:14 It was the day of Preparation of the Passover; it was about noon.
  
  Looks to me like Mark 15:33 casts a different light on Mark and his watch... he says Jesus was crucified at 9a.
  Then ch33 says, @noon it was dark; @3p Jesus cried out...easy peasy...
  also, it's 9:27a where I'm is. what time is it there???
  
  As for your other story: once all the words are read for each scripture, it looks to me like the exact same story told from two different perspectives.
  Mark started his story on the night of the Sabbath. He then picks up with John on early the next morn. John seems to have singled Mary out at 20:11 he begins with just Mary again after the other two went home. The rest is literary emphasis.
  Is this all you have??? Surely, there is much more that would account for the remarkable "contradictions" that flood the bible, making it not worth the very pretty paper it is printed on...
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  Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I could list new ones all day, but you'd simply dismiss them all day and pretend they don't exist.
  
  Which on is the truth then, three people or one? Person inside, no one inside?
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus rose and was gone...
  That's the meat of the matter.
  Geez! Good thing Mary didn't have a bowel movement on the way, and either John or Mark forgot to write that part. Lol... did she trip and fall going up the hill??? Did she bring a lunch? Were her shoes too tight and she screamed OUCH with every left footed step??? Pickn at the bible will not make the words untrue.
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  Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Cgenaea says "What contradiction are you misreading?"
  
  Janesix says "There is a lot wrong with the Bible."
  
  Cgenaea says "the question I asked is what contradiction?"
  
  Rad shows a few contradictions...
  
  LOL.
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  Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Methinks this one has not actually read this book.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  In classical logic, a contradiction consists of a logical incompatibility between two or more propositions. It occurs when the propositions, taken together, yield two conclusions which form the logical, usually opposite inversions of each other. Illustrating a general tendency in applied logic, Aristotle's law of noncontradiction states that "One cannot say of something that it is and that it is not in the same respect and at the same time."
  
  Read it; Approved of every word; waiting for your contradiction that does not include fluff.
  John and Mark agree on the times
  John and Mark both told a story of three people. I saw no contradiction.
  Contradiction, go!!! I will be waiting until...
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  Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Wow, and you can look yourself in the mirror after that?
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Rad Man, can you look yourself in the mirror if you do not prove that the bible contradicts itself? I hope so. For you will forever misshape your beard.
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  Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Proposition 1 - it was 9am
  Proposition 2 - it was 12 am
  
  Contradiction.
  
  If you are going to cut and paste stuff you don't understand. Well..... Try reading it and understanding it instead.
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  Jomine Joseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I am blind hence if I say it's red then it is red!
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Well if it's important enough, you better HOPE it's red, blind man.
  Lol...
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  Jomine Joseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  That is what you are doing hoping and insisting that it is red.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  My red IS red. Which means your red is something else.
  No one can prove a lying bible. The bible proves everyone else a liar.
  Anything else???
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  Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Harry Potter proves that wizards are real. Twilight proves there are magical vampires that glitter in the sun.
  
  Captain underpants proves there is a baby with super powers fighting evil. Anything that goes against these are wrong.
  
  What are your thoughts on that?
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  You have a right to your opinions. and I promise I will not come to your next, Wizzard in my Shiny Underpants forum to tell you how silly...
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  Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  No. Instead you will just tell everybody that your specific invisible deity you cannot prove exists outside your own mind does in fact exist, and that anybody who doesnt think so somehow doesnt understand that he obviously exists, because they could not possibly know he does not exist.
  
  With no proof.
  
  At all.
  
  Interesting, to say the least.
  
  Hypothetical here, but if a child were raised in the woods, void of any contact from anyone of the outside world, and the parent(s) never said a word about religion (ever), would the child inherently believe in god? If so, would the child inherently believe in jesus and the christian god?
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  God clothes the grass which grows and is thrown in the fire tomorrow. Or something like that. Look up that first phrase. He cares much more about souls. He will visit, if he sees fit. And he will draw that soul, if he sees fit.
  The promise is that ALL will have an opportunity to know. So your hypothetical child is safe... if he/she so decides.
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  Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Except that the child has absolutely no concept of your god. For whatever reason god decides to visit a random child in the woods, the child is not going to find any reason to believe what he says unless he provides proof of what he says.
  
  So the only way for that child to choose to be saved is if god proves he is in fact god. Why would god provide proof to a random child in the woods, and not the hundreds of thousands of non believers/people of other beliefs? And the only way for the child to not choose to be saved is if god decided not to provide proof....meaning he doesnt really seem to care if the child goes to hell...which would make one wonder why he appeared to begin with.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Excellent questions for the leery. But a child in the woods with no worldly contact is probably greener than grass! he will likely listen to the still voice. No outside distraction with their theories and tests.
  The good shepherd protects his flock and will leave 99 sheep to free just one trapped in a ditch. look it up...
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  Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  So facts, theories, and the tests to confirm the facts and theories...are outside distractions.
  
  Is god really so inept to be stonewalled by "outside distractions" that he himself created?
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  God did not create your distraction. He allowed, for a purpose. He wants tru blu... no thieves.
  The heart that cries out to him is saved. Without a doubt.
  Even a guilty man dying was accepted at his final hour. Simply by faith. Jesus knew the heart. He snatched it up.
  I LOVE that story!!!
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  Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, so child rapists and sadistic murders are waiting up in heaven then.
  
  Well that's reassuring
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  It is so clear to me why God does not accept the judgment of his own. People simply go too far in feeling themselves to be "good" while not excusing the SAME fault in others the same way.
  "Love others as you love yourself" is simply too far-fetched an idea for some.
  It becomes clearer why such an one is not welcomed into the kingdom of God to live forever with people who have been forgiven much.
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  Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Unless a rapist raped themself or brutally murdered themself, it's hard to imagine how they loved their victims the same way they loved themselves when suddenly repenting for their sins on their deathbed.
  
  And just to see if I understood You properly. Someone who cannot grasp that love concept of yours is not welcomed into heaven, regardless if they are a good person.
  Yet someone who has raped, murdered, and just been an overall evil person is welcome to heaven as long as they feel bad about it as they are about to die?
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  God is no fool.
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  Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I dont see how that addresses any of what I said. The only point I see that serving is to make yourself feel better that rapists and murderers have a better shot at heaven than people of non belief/different belief
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Uh...did you use reasoning when you typed that comment. Cause if not... I think thats a straw man, or ice-cream man or something.
  Judges!!! ???
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  Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  So what fallacy is it to completely ignore my points and say something completely unrelated that doesn't actually answer anything?
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  It's the depend on your own reasoning skills fallacy.
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  Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Which is what I did, and asked you for confirmation if it was correct or not. You ignored it completely.
  
  Why are you being a hypocrite?
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Let's go back; shall we???
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  If you would be direct people wouldn't have to try to decipher what you're saying all the time.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Direct is far more indecipherable. I tried...
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  God is no fool. He sees the heart's intent. He knows who meant what they said. He allows a turn-about in mindset. He does it for all. We err when we elevate ourselves above the "filthy" and "unworthy". We condemn ourselves. How does your father forgive you
  if you do not wish forgiveness???
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  wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Your hypothetical child might believe in a god - man as been inventing gods since long before he invented writing to tell about them. But the Christian god and the story of Jesus? Not a chance.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  There is always a chance.
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  Jomine Joseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  You have no idea what the colour is but is simply insisting it as red.
  Bible is a lie anyone who read it can understand as such.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  You just lied. I myself, (as well as others, don't make me WHIP out my list!! Lol) have read the bible. I consider it red. I mean truth. Just follow the red letters.
  It will change your life. Just imagine a friend who has never lost a battle, walking with you everywhere, daily. Well most places, most days...
  The safety compares to nothing.
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  Jomine Joseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I can iive without alcohol, drugs, delusions and hallucinations, thanks.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Well aren't you particularly superior and specialer than most people.
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  Jomine Joseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Education can work wonders you know.
  Just as a doctor or engineering is superior in his knowledge compared to laymen in his field, I too am superior in logic and reason.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Whatever. Betcha can't catch a rainbow. I know you're great and but...
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  Jomine Joseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  You are superior to me in your "blind belief", I don't believe anyone who contradict reason, but your claim is you are superior to other people who are exactly like you except for the book or the interpretation of the book.
  It is like a surgeon claiming superiority over a physician.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I "belief" you are blind right now. Just a few posts back, I renounced my superiority and be came mere mortal. Lol...
  You have a certain axe? I have not said one iota's worth of ill in your direction. I deflect. (I think that's what I do... let me git ma dictionarial)
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  Jomine Joseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Your OP is still here stating your superiority (that you are true and those who don't agree with you are false) over other christians, do you repudiate your OP?
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  What in the world is your beef. I am feeling attacked. I mean, I guess it kinda tickles, but how long???
  True is true. I feel I know for a fact, what that truth is. Now if that is, in and of itself, "superior" then I'll change my name to grace.
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  Jomine Joseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  
  If anyone is attacking here it is you by calling all others who don't agree with you as false prophets.
  
  That truth is only your opinion(and you have nothing to substantiate what you say except for a book full of contradictions, nonsense and falsehoods written by charlatans and some lopsided "experience" based on confirmation bias). That does not make it universal truth or those who don't subscribe to it "false prophets"
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I do not understand. I have already told you that I believe the bible. I can say what I want. And I do reinforce with scripture.
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  Jomine Joseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  You can believe anything but what you cannot do is calling others false prophets in public.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Bible say false, I say false.
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  Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Bible says women not to preach at men, genea says "false".
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I think I missed this post by design. It is so moot. Like the mootiest.
  Jesus said, "If these (men) should keep silent; the rocks will cry out" Now if a rock has the approval of my Jesus. Then I KNOW I got a shot.
  He will sit me out when he's ready. Til then...
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  Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Yes - men. Not women.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Not totally blind. Selectively... lol... it's waaay too funny.
  
  "Silent" men??? Even rocks??? Uh... already broken down, Righteous...
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Once more, you say something totally random and unrelated to the subject.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Selectively blinded too??? Lol...
  I really am laughing and wondering why my letters look invisible to some.
  Totally random and unrelated??? L. O. L.
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  You still haven't addressed the question of why you are preaching, when the Bible tells you women aren't allowed to preach to men.
  
  Looks like you are the selective one to me. Selective in which orders from God you will obey.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Oooooooohhhh! You aint payin attention either. Lol...
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Why can't you just answer the question? Is it really that hard to admit you pick and choose which parts of the Bible are important to you?
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  Jomine Joseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Bible says kill infidels and you are doing that too?
  And don't put it on the bible it's a book of contradictions. And bible also consists of books that didn't make it to the authorized version.
  You are calling those people false, who do not agree with your interpretation.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  NOW, if you show me contradiction maybe we can LOL together! go!!! I'm ready.
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  Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Cherry picking the bible does not make it true either. Logic and all...
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  We discuss what comes up. We confirm from scripture.
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  Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Scripture that doesn't seem able to be confirmed without using itself.
  
  Convienent, or no?
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  So convenient, people miss it...searching.
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  SirDentposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Not hard to understand what time. Mark was using the Jewish time, which would put the crucifixion at or around 9:00 AM or the third hour. The Jewish day starts at 6:00 AM.
  
  John put Jesus before Pilate at the 6th hour, Roman time. Roman time starts at midnight and wopuld have put Jesus before Pilate at or around 6:AM.
  
  Did Mary only go one time to the tomb of Jesus?
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  Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  
  Oh dear me. Not hard to understand that the writers who wrote the majick book used different time zones.
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Cgenaeaposted 10 years ago
Aahhh yeh... I remember...
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Cgenaeaposted 10 years ago
Hi Cat333!!! I'm grateful to know for myself. You are my witness to these things. you know too...
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Cat333posted 10 years ago
Jesus was crucified at 9am Hebrew time. He was on the cross six hours. Darkness fell from noon to 3pm. He died at 3pm. You can find evidence of this throughout the gospels. You can also find evidence of it in other writings.

John does NOT say that Jesus was crucified at "noon", though many translations (e.g., NET, NLT, Amplified, the Message, etc.) do inaccurately interpret the text as "noon". In truth, John states that it was "about the sixth hour" when they crucified him. What does that mean? Was it a different time he was using? Or was it about the sixth hour since the ordeal began - it had been six hours since Jesus' arrest the night before.

How many women went to the grave? Several. Can you figure out their "standing" - Mary Magdalene, Mary (mother of James), Joanna, Salome, and other women. If you spotted your good pal Joe at an event and told someone about it, would you also mention everyone else there? Not necessarily. Never does it say the other women were NOT present when one or two is mentioned, so there is no contradiction!
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Cat333 you, a warm breeze and Sir Dent, Scripture Superman ♡... you help me feel protected, thank you.
  I have only a vague idea of my own time zone. I always look it up. It never sticks. But I really did feel it to be important in this lonely "contradiction".
  Biblical attack is unnerving for me a little. I have seen so much proof with my own eyes. I love new confirmations.
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  Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Attack? I think what is unnerving you is people demonstrating how flawed the bible is.
  
  Here are a few more contradictions for ya. Ask and ye shall receive.
  
  http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_ … tions.html
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  Cat333posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Glad to help! We should always be about our Father's business, including helping our brothers and sisters in Christ and shedding any light where ever we can. You and Sir Dent are great blessings here to me as well!
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Cgenaeaposted 10 years ago
GLAD to be of any service, Ma'am.
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Cgenaeaposted 10 years ago
I now FINALLY have an opportunity to "break it down for you into simpler terms" so that you may come to understand.
One of you said, "you reason well; now it means nothing"
See... reasoning is an ability. I got IT in abundance. I can reason like a reasoning champion and not miss a beat. But what does it mean in regard to truth? As much as my other stuff I have/can do means zilch to truth.
Jesus existed. Probably much better than all of us.
Good luck with, whatever.
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  Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Your opinion is that reasoning is nothing. This does not point to good reasoning skills. Reason is the way we get to truth. Still - you don't need to bother with all that malarky - you just go straight to believing without bothering with the "clutter."
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I do not bother myself with extra opinions. There is one source from which to gain the only clarity I seek.
  All that school stuff is done. I'm living my life with a purpose that has already provided answers to all my questions. While most others are still asking. There is liberty in realizing that there is a source that tells you exactly what you need to do.
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  Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  How odd that it tells you you need to go to internet forums to threaten eternal judgement. Of course you are not interested in anyone else's opinions - you already know everything.
  
  No wonder your religion causes so many conflicts.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Have you felt threatened by ANYTHING I've said???
  If so, that may be a good sign.
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  Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Of course not - your threats are as empty as.... That doesn't mean you did not threaten.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  How do you know there was a threat if you didn't feel one? Why does it matter what I say if I speak empty? Why does it jar one into defense? I just don't get it.
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  Michael-Milecposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  If your statement "reason is the way we get to truth" stands, no wonder that your truth without Jesus has many faces because the reason of the strongest comes best on top every time newest appears… Jesus said it clearly " I AM the Way and the Truth and the Life." Failure to grasp " I AM " leads to false conclusion and incapacitate further communication.
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  Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Yes - I can see why you wouldn't understand. Reason eludes you, so you grasp at straws. No wonder your religion causes so many conflicts. You discard the ability to reason your god has given you. Oh well.
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  Michael-Milecposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Dialog would be possible at the appreciable level : the godly side doesn't consist of cowards running away. We simply speak a higher wisdom revealed to us by the Spirit, which therefore only those filled with the Spirit and not the sensuous apprehend; this should be accepted that the children of God ( (Christians filled with the Spirit of God) are not authorized to reduce God's wisdom- so that can be botched at the reasoning level leading to no conclusion. We compare spiritual things to the spiritual. And, when we speak we speak the same what God- Jesus of Nazareth or ANY believer would be speaking - we do speak the same mind of Christ.
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  wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  You know, I see that quite a bit in these forums. "I have the Spirit of God and therefore know more than you do; you should believe everything I, or anyone I approve of, has to say".
  
  Doesn't wash for the reasoning person. For instance, you claim that Jesus said something specific, based on your research of what someone 2,000 years ago and hundreds of years after the man you call Jesus is said to have lived, had to say about it. Someone very concerned about maintaining his power grip on the people, someone that did no research/testing himself. A reasoning person wants just a little more than that.
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  Michael-Milecposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Naturally, you see it differently and it is quite well with me;
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  wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Oh? What is different?
  
  Is that not what you said, or do you think a reasoning person would simply accept the bald statement and believe?
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Start, clean through to finish is different.
  You cannot accept any baldness. If that is what all this is considered... you are free to leave it right where it is...but you don't want that... you like my Jesus
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  Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  The godly side? I know you are very, very brave, but still.....
  
  These claims of superiority over others when all you have actually demonstrated is an inability to properly construct a sentence is one of the many reasons your religion causes so many conflicts.
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  Michael-Milecposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  …as the enemies of the Creator- only true and living God- are easily irritated when a person whose English isn't first language construct sentences in the way the would be forced for an apology... You Sir, accept my apology , please and do know that many other intelligent authors never used that as a basis for putting down another human being, (they accepted my errancy). What bothers most of the enemies of God is superiority of His being , His Word and his children. The ' godly side ' is not what makes me or the other believers "very brave" ( How do you know that ?)- it is eternally established truth for " brave" sinners who turn away from the satan's domain and accepting offer to be part of family of God- once again simply by " "receiving" the eternal Word, ' but to those who did receive him he gave authority to become children of God, to those who believe in him. They were born, not from human stock, not from physical desire, nor from the will of a man, but from God." ( Constructed by TNT scholars ). This is not a religion. God isn't religious as some traditional theory includes the way of God's dealing as a 'religion'. You might be surprised, that my religion might be good and healthy eating, instead being "member' of any man-made religions. . . Well, that's completely different subject.
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  Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Enemies of the Creator?
  
  Well - all the time you claim to be superior to me I will tend to find fault in your lazy approach to the English language. Why not find a forum in your own language to tell everyone how brave and superior you are?
  
  And if you don't understand why your claims to superiority are likely to cause ill will and irritation, I will probably not be able to explain it to you.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Simply rude. I mean rude y'all. That was SO rude... yeah, rude...
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  Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Really? How touchy you religionists are. Almost like you don't like the truth after all. A simple question to "superior understanding." I wouldn't consider going to a Polish forum and arguing abstract concepts in a language I had no grasp of. You would I take it? Do you do a lot of that?
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Not touchy... worthy of the same respect. Native tongue is off-limits. You and I both have our troubles with the English language. I'm a witness...
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  Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Oh dear. More false witnessing. Almost like you don't actually believe.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry for your loss...
  Lol...
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  Michael-Milecposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  You just proved your best English vocabulary, when you'll find peace within yourself - I might be back talking to you.
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  Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I will be holding my breath. Let me know when you feel less superior.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  What do you think of the claims of one or two atheists to be more superior than Christians in intelligence and reasoning? I somehow believe that to be the dominant idea. But I have seen no claims of superior-minded conflict headed in their direction.
  Have you noted that particular bias??? I mean, it don't bother me none... I know what I know.
  But I think truth is far more important. Everyone who thinks themselves superior should get the sticker
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  Jomine Joseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Did you get? The OP itself says that you know something others don't!
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  And we do, indeed. But one who has not this belief, feels himself to know EVERYTHING we do "not". Same deal... see???
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  Jomine Joseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  You said you are superior to other christians who says the same think as you do that they know what jesus said better.
  And it is good that you agree that all you got is a "belief", an unfounded confidence in the truthness of a book that is falsehood in all respects.
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  Michael-Milecposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Not all things go by "feelings" . I chose the One who offers life eternal and my decision is to go with His word , Revel. 22 :11 " Let those who don't have God's approval go without it, and let filthy people continue to be filthy. Let those who have God's approval continue to have it, and let holy people continue to be holy." GW Transl.
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  Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I think the former is nonsense, but the latter may have some merit.
  
  Please stop bearing false witness - I know you get the lake of fire for that.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  That lake of fire is really prominent in your thinking, huh???
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  Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Only for you.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I'd rather have M&Ms...
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  Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry for your loss.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  No loss. There's still time. I like the ones with the peanuts.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I agree.
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  Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Shocker.
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Cgenaeaposted 10 years ago
Just so we are clear; learning is a forever process. It is not a matter of letting go of any attainment of knowledge. That thought is so silly, I rarely address it.
My life of faith is being sure of this one thing. God/Jesus/Bible. (Looks like three things, but they are tight, like one)
Letting all else align or not.
For others, they are assured that Pythagoras was right.
For others, it's Elvis.
Teach me all you want about Rock-n-roll...
Teach me all you want about money... (pls)
Teach me all you want about whites...
But this one thing I do know...
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Cgenaeaposted 10 years ago
That's a silly notion janesix. Lol...
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Why do you preach to men, when God tells you not to in the Bible?
  
  Still awaiting your answer.
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  SirDentposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Mar 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
  Mar 16:10 And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept.
  Mar 16:11 And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.
  
  Mary Magdalene first preached the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
  
  Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
  
  Preach the gospel to every creature. Believe it or don't believe, it is your choice.
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  Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I choose not to believe you. Well done Dent. Your choice to preach nonsense. Your choice.
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.
  
  Mar 16:12
  
  After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.
  
  Mar 16:13
  
  And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.
  
  Mar 16:14
  
  Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
  
  Mar 16:15
  
  And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
  
  Looks like you left out a few lines. Doesn't look like he was telling mary to go out and preach to me.
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Cgenaeaposted 10 years ago
I see that the Lord went before me as I prepared my statement. Lol... he is marvelous that way!!!
The first ch in 1Tim attests to the fact that Paul was not talking to "me". The "law" is for unbelievers.
But Jesus (the head) sent Mary to preach. lol...
The chain is broken. I am most grateful.
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Cgenaeaposted 10 years ago
That makes no sense. He told her to tell it. They did not believe her. But some did not believe him either.
Don't mean she wasn't told to go...
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus never told mary to preach anything. If she went out and told people she saw him rise, it was of her own choice.
  
  He wasn't speaking to her when he said to go out and preach.
  
  I am surprised sirdent was so deceitful as to leave out the lines that showed who Jesus was talking to. Interesting.
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  SirDentposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for calling me a liar. You are not the first to do so and likely not the last.
  
  Luk_2:36 And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;
  
  Anna, a prophetess,(minister,preacher).
  
  Jdg_4:4 And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.
  
  Deborah, a prophetess and a judge.
  
  2Ki_22:14 So Hilkiah the priest, and Ahikam, and Achbor, and Shaphan, and Asahiah, went unto Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe; (now she dwelt in Jerusalem in the college;) and they communed with her.
  
  Huldah, a prophetess, (minister, preacher).
  
  Act 21:8 And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him.
  Act 21:9 And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.
  
  Philip had 4 daughters who prophesied, (preached).
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Well don't leave out pertinent information, and I won't call you on it.
  
  And a prophetess is not a preacher. And even if they were, no where does it say God ordered them to preach, or even approved.
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  SirDentposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I just tried to make it easy for you.
  
  Grasping at straws now?
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  Cat333posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Well, the debate will continue about women preachers and the semantics of preaching and prophesying, but Cgenaea speaks because she has the gift of prophecy (not forth telling, but speaking the words / truth of God given through the Spirit and the Word). In the last days, the sons AND the daughters will prophecy. And as Sir Dent has shown, her activities are in line with many women throughout Scriptures, including the first person ever to go out and share the good news about Jesus Christ (who happened to be a woman).
  
  I'm sorry you all missed her beautiful point about the rocks crying out if the men kept silent. Truly, if the honor will go to the rocks, before that point it will go to whoever is willing for our Lord - women and any other disregarded group.
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Cgenaeaposted 10 years ago
The bone is destroyed. Forever
Chew something else.
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Cgenaeaposted 10 years ago
Forever destroyed... again.
It is amazing that even non-believers attempt to learn what the Lord wants.
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Not really. I just like to point out the errors in your belief system.
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  Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Dont you know? Pointing out the errors means you are secretly a believer and/or are envious of people with better lives than you.
  
  That last one was actually said to me on here a few hours ago. Right after the person said that god is the best medicine any of faith can rely on. If you ask, you can be healed!
  
  Sigh
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Good luck. I still have seen no errors.
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Of course you haven't. You believe blindly. You see out of your book only what you personally wish to see. It's your loss.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Or... is it you who blindly (and secretly) believes, and desperately seeks an out???
  I've lost nothing, thank God. I still have him. He still has me... I'm very grateful for that.
  I really don't deserve his goodness.
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Tried that. Luckily I realized it was BS.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  From Paul to Saul, huh...
  Luckily you didn't lose your sight too...
  or...
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Cgenaeaposted 10 years ago
janesix & Co. Here's a little something for your journey.
John 20:17
Jesus said, (to Mary) “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

I remember it being also misunderstood that Mary was "sent" by Jesus with a message when he got up from the grave. I know Sir Dent incinerated the bone already, but i found the script of confirmation. John, was given the story to report.
Thank you, Jesus, for making it plainer, and sticking up for me.
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