It is really the business of the insensible to continue arguing with 'desperate' atheists and agnostics why God does or doesn't exist. The issue is more complicated than it seems when we first indulge in it. I do not blame anyone because I myself have been a victim of that tendency.
It's quite like those life-situations where we have to accept something evil because it's coming from the governments and authorities ~ or like the situation where you have to accept a 'lower' job or employment just because you have no money and you have nowhere else to go. Or when you have to prove to someone that you really love someone, or know some 'truth' that no one else knows. You become very helpless. You know the reality but you are fundamentally incapable of convincing others about it.
It is very clear there there is something 'more' than what we have discovered yet ~ behind the material reality that we inhabit and whose existence we have become habituated with. We find it normal to naively believe that 'matter' is all that there ever is. But even there we have contradictions. We don't know what "we" is made of: we are still not sure about the nature of our own existence. It is very possible that we are all spirits (consciousness) ~ and not 'electricity' running through our brains.
After a certain level, the issue of God's existence and the reality of God: becomes very subtle and quite unexpected. I do not find it advisable to argue with any closed-eyed, 'immature' atheist who can not perceive the beauty and magnificence of the entire unified material creation, or appreciate the fact that 'beauty' itself is an indication of consciousness.
It's inadvisable to discourse certain issues with kindergartners.
"It is very clear there there is something 'more' that what we have discovered yet"
Clear? About as clear as mud - there is no reason to believe in the "more" you reference. We are very ignorant of our universe, yes, but that doesn't mean we need to invent an imaginary "spirit world" to fill in those gaps.
As far as kindergartners - it has been said many times that one must be as a child in order to enter the kingdom of heaven. A child that believes whatever they are told, without question, and very often lives in their own make-believe world. There is truth in this, I think, as reasoning adults quickly find the fallacy in believing fantasy is true and real.
This appears to be the time in the conversation when you screen "you just don't understand" and run away screaming insults. Claiming we are desperate, naive, closed-eyed, kindergarteners and immature because you can't convince us there is anything more to this world than reality is a little sad.
If it's so clear that there is something 'more' why can't you convince us, why can't you demonstrate. It's far more likely that you are latching on to your beliefs just as people latch on to psychics predictions. You have no evidence, but there is plenty of evidence that people can be fooled into thinking things exist that do not.
First off it's more about attitude than it's about anything else. There are other factors as well, like the limitations of the very faculty of human communication.
Yes, your attitude is preventing you from seeing reality for what it is. Why not insult us more, as it seems that has become your method of communication.
And they do it with such authority. Thats what gets me the most. There is more proof that there is God and less proof that there isn't, for gosh sakes.
Yet with airs of Kings, they declare there is no God nor should we stupidly indulge in believing such. They treat us as ignorant subjects in THEIR kingdom where there is no spiritual reality. Let them have their godless kingdom! I'm out and will always be out, just like they will always be in (their godless kingdom).
Conversation is Futile.
And your spiritual reality means telling ten year olds that you hope the world ends soon.
Is that because you are scared they might grow up not believing your claims?
No, it was pure aarogance that my envisioned world which is beyond the world is better. Not what they wanted to hear.
why? cuz no one has mentioned it (heaven) to them! How sad is that!
Furthermore, how sad that few care enough (in governments… I am sure parents are trying) to bring heaven to earth so that ten year olds do not have to ask such a thing!
How odd that you hang around in this world. And wish for it to end so that these children can go to heaven. Pretty sure no ten year old wants to be told you wish they were dead.
Cuz heaven is not a real place. How sad you want them dead. How far would you go to help them to this imaginary place called heaven?
So you, having no idea what the parents of these kids have been told take it upon yourself to tell the you wish the world was coming to an end without telling them about a happy afterlife.
I sure hope those kids tell their parents so the parents can contact the principle who can discuss this with you.
I think the world and the media has already done a better job at scaring them than I ever could.
There you go. It is some one else's fault and you don't need to feel terrible anymore.
Again, it's you religious folks who are talking about the end of the world, the media is talking about climate change.
Is it advisable to talk about climate change with kids? Is it OK if they hear about it on TV?
Of course. If anyone is going to make a difference it is the kids. Sorry you don't understand.
Thank you really for displaying your in-depth understanding about it.
And thank you for displaying the opposite.
Oh, my pleasure. I hope one day to help you understand. Always the optimist.
Speaking of engaging, do you know understand why it's not a good idea for a person of authority such as a teacher to tell children she hopes the world ends soon?
"How do you feel about the world ending?" They held up a fist as though it was a microphone and they were interviewing me. It was very cute.
For some reason I blurted out, "The sooner the better…!" They said.. "You want us to die??" I had said it to be funny. And I just laughed. They did not find it humorous in the least! They ran away and never looked at me again. I felt terrible. Just terrible.
What should I have said? "The world is not ending so lets not worry about it."
Sure it's advisable to talk to children about what they can do to prevent climate change, but that kind of moving the goal posts isn't it. We were talking about someone telling children the world ends soon and that person claimed that information was coming from the media, which it is not, it's coming from some of you religious types.
I agree with RA, I'm sorry you don't understand.
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