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My logic about God

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    Nhlanhla8701posted 2 years ago

    I've read a few forums about God lately questioning whether God exists or not, well I'm no expert but my answer would be YES. You don't have to be a geniuses to understand that there is a higher form of life that created you in its image. It really doesn't matter what you call it but some prefer to call it God

    1. kess profile image60
      kessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      And many thinking themselves to be wise, rejects this and dig deeper
      thus exposing the truth about their wisdom.

    2. Jomine Jose profile image76
      Jomine Joseposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      How do you understand that?
      Why should there be higher forms of life?
      Will one need to be a genius to understand that there is a "higher higher form" of life that created the higher form of life, with another "higher higher higher form" life that created the "higher higher" form of life?

      1. God shet profile image61
        God shetposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        You have great skills for imagination.

        1. Jomine Jose profile image76
          Jomine Joseposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Oh god! shet again!!




          Kess was more than enough.

          1. God shet profile image61
            God shetposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            He has weighty wisdom.

            1. Jomine Jose profile image76
              Jomine Joseposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              Obviously no one could excel him in writing nonsense.

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          Nhlanhla8701posted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Thank you my friend

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          Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Actually, his reasoning is spot on.

          If one excepts that a higher power/being must have made us then logically one would have to except an even higher power must have made what made us and so on and so on and so on.

    3. cjhunsinger profile image72
      cjhunsingerposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      In your teaser you mentioned logic, but yet you have failed to provide any. Logic (from the Ancient Greek: λογική, logike)[1] is the use and study of valid reasoning. This is a simple pasted definition of logic. The next time you use the word you may want to use this as a guide.

  2. wilderness profile image95
    wildernessposted 2 years ago

    I'm not seeing much "logic" in your statement, only a belief based solely on the desire that there be a god.  Logic requires not only certain thought processes, but a true premise to begin with - both are missing when you declare simply that "You don't have to be a geniuses to understand that there is a higher form of life that created you in its image"

    All that statement says is that you believe without logic or evidence - not that it is a logical conclusion.  Or can you flesh out the statement with facts and develop it into something that logically follows from those facts?

    1. God shet profile image61
      God shetposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Are human beings capable to  C R E A T I N G  any form of life (let alone a human being) themselves? You'll have to begin with atoms and particles (as far as we know right now).

      1. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Sounds like you're trying to go from "we don't know how to create life, therefore there is a god that did it".  Unfortunately, logic cannot use ignorance to develop a conclusion - that there is a god does not follow logically from a basis of ignorance. 

        (And man has ALREADY made life from molecules - not much different than from atoms.)

        1. God shet profile image61
          God shetposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Not sure what 'created-life' you're talking about.



          Anyway, if a few ants were as 'intelligent' as us ~ and if they had seen a broken television ~ they might have said what you have just said:

          Sounds like you're trying to go from "we don't know how to create a television, therefore there is a man that did it".

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            Nhlanhla8701posted 2 years ago in reply to this

            Wow okay I didn't think of it like that

          2. wilderness profile image95
            wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            Man has created bacterial life from partial molecules of totally dead DNA.

            Those are YOUR words; I did not indicate any form of creator.  There is nothing we know of in physical laws preventing formation of life from inert materials, and without an intelligence behind the process.

            1. God shet profile image61
              God shetposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              Please rephrase your reply to make it a bit more understandable. And add a little more detail about that 'life-creation' thing.

              1. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                I understood you to ask if man could create life (we can), and assuming we can't it proves a god did it.  The logic of the reasoning is badly flawed; whether man can make life or not has nothing to do with a god making it.  Was I mistaken?

                1. God shet profile image61
                  God shetposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes.

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            Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            A television? Would the ants look at a fly and say, "well we don't know how to make a fly therefor men must had made it?

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          Nhlanhla8701posted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Can you please explain to me how man makes life

          1. wilderness profile image95
            wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            Take the DNA from a bacteria and partially destroy it.  The bacteria is now dead, without any DNA at all.  Reconstruct the partial DNA string from off the shelf chemicals and re-insert it into the dead body.  It comes to life.

            1. God shet profile image61
              God shetposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              'life', 'death', 'dead DNA', 'reverse engineering' a bacteria  ~  what are these?



              The 'example' that you have provided for 'man making life' ~ is too elementary and commonplace: not even fundamentally any different from the phenomena of 'eye replacement' or a 'kidney transplant' (should I need to remind you that we can not create an 'eye' or a 'kidney' ourselves?).

              Sorry to say, but you're losing respect.

              1. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                OK - let's define what "life" is - at the point "death" should be relatively easy as the opposite of life.

                Care to give it a whirl?  Can you define "life" in such a way that we can test for that quality and determine if a mass is alive or not?

                1. God shet profile image61
                  God shetposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  As far as I know, 'life' and 'consciousness' are synonymous. As long as a 'body' contains consciousness, that body then appears to be alive, to us.

                  Contrary to popular belief, 'consciousness' or 'spirit' does not reside solely inside the brain. As far as I know, 'consciousness' inhabits the entire body - from the top of head to the fingers of the feet - consciousness is distributed and attached to the physical organs by the virtue of some (unknown) mechanism.


                  Something needs to be said here: the Head, the Heart, the Arms, and the Lowers parts of the body, and the Feet ~ do not contain the same qualities of the 'consciousness'. I'll expand here if necessary.

                  The bottom line:  There is no 'life' as such. There exists only 'matter' and 'consciousness'.

                  1. wilderness profile image95
                    wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    Then a bacteria or virus is not alive, nor any simple animal (amoeba, plankton, etc.).  Few biologists would agree with you, and neither would I - I define not only those simple animals as "alive" but plants as well and there is no indication that they are "conscious" at all.

                    Nor does your definition meet the requirements; there is no way of testing for "consciousness" I'm aware of and you will thus have to give your own personal evaluation of every mass on earth to determine if it is alive.

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                    Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    Then unfortunately you don't no very far. There are only a few animals alive that are aware of themselves as we are or even close to as we are.

                    You'll have to back that up. If we shut down the brain we lose consciousness, but we can shut down other organs and still have consciousness.


                    No need.

                    I think Wilderness is once again very right. We are going to have to agree on some definitions before we can educate you on some of the simplest of concepts.

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                Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                http://discovermagazine.com/2014/jan-fe … ell-future

                Perhaps you should learn before you post.

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        Nhlanhla8701posted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Don't you believe in God?

        1. Jomine Jose profile image76
          Jomine Joseposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          What "god"?
          Where is the logic you said you have? So far only logical fallacy which is not logic.

  3. Paul Wingert profile image78
    Paul Wingertposted 2 years ago

    Believers in God (named Yahweh) will be in for a rude awakening if they ever study Hebrew mythology. God had a wife and about 70 kids (kind of like the trailer trash welfare warriors of the deep south today). They, like the rest of the Mesopotamian cultures believed in multiple gods up until the Babylonian exile in 600 BC. Hint's of Jews believing in multiple gods are present in the Bible although most of it was edited out over the years. It's hilarious to think that God is the only true god that is real while all others are made up rubbish.

  4. God shet profile image61
    God shetposted 2 years ago

    "People don't want other people to get high, because if you get high, you might see the falsity of the fabric of the society we live in."


    ~ Ken Kesey (author of the novel "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest")

 
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