Moses and the burning bush?

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   mohitmisraposted 15 years ago

   What do you make of this.

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      sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      well Moses did do a lot of drinking.

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         mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         

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      Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      In religion it is what you believe.

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         mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         What do you believe?

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      Writer Riderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Maybe he saw a ufo.

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         mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         hmmmmmmmmmmm in the bush?

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            Writer Riderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            
            
            Yes,there's a theory that some ufos are light ships and that spirits travel in them. Just a theory I'm throwing out there.

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               mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               ok cool thanks.

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                  Writer Riderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  Many people are seeing white orbs, I'm suggesting that it may be this.

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                     Writer Riderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     Which is just as plausible as seeing a burning bush.

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                     mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     What white orbs? please expand on this.

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                        Writer Riderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        
                        
                        Ufos.Some people see lights in the sky that can change in size. They are very silent so cannot be aircraft but you can find tons of videos of them on youtube.

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                           mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                           Ok I have seen seen one but it was in the sky.

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                              Writer Riderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                              What makes you believe they can't land. It's all about interpretation.

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                                 mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                 Didn't say they couldn't land was just sharing my experience.
                                 But doesnt it have a shape? Surely Moses would have seen the UFO.

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                                    Writer Riderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                    What if the burning bush was just a ufo landing besides some trees.

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                                       mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                       Possible but he would have seen the UfO or should have.You mean the UFO looked like a bush??

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                                          Writer Riderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                          No, like the burning fire.

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                                             mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                             So the UFO was in the bush?

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   Inspirepubposted 15 years ago

   There are several possible scientific explanations for the phenomenon - I am sure you could find them if you Googled it.
   
   Jenny

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      mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I think I know what it is and its beyond science.Science is lost when it comes to spirituality.

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   fierycjposted 15 years ago

   I love that story. Imagine a fiery talking bush...as you might have guessed by now, anything fiery intrigues me. I have a whole record of that stuff that is real thick.

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      mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Tell me more.

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   Leta Sposted 15 years ago

   There was a cool landscape show in NYC called "The Burning Bush."  It was about a return to landscape as a valid subject matter during the post modern era.
   
   yawn...  As good a theory as any if you read it right,

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      mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry bounced over me, return to  landscape??

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         Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         hmmmmm....Could be read as the symbolic 'fire' of God in nature, actually.  I like that, as an artist.
         
         Also the return to beauty and expressing it in art, instead of the fractured ideologies of postmodernism.
         
         Oh...and yeah, it was totally uncool to be painting landscapes in the late 90's/mid 2000's.  'Sposed to do things like your bed covered in wrappers of fast food and condoms, or dead sharks petrified in glass...lol

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            mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Thanks
            hmmmmm....Could be read as the symbolic 'fire' of God in nature, actually.  I like that, as an artist.
            I like it as well.
            
            I believe he was seeing the light emanating from the bush,the bush on fire that didnt burn.
            I have had this experience where I have seen light coming out of every object and its a very blissful state.The light of god.

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   Leta Sposted 15 years ago

     Visions and metaphors for reality and the mystery of that reality are common to 'prophets', artists and poets.  Life would be boring without it.  There is a thin line between the sacred and the profane--and these can see it.
   
   (I'd better be careful, or a religionist or atheist might come after me here, uh-oh!)

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      earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      "Blue Meany" mushrooms have a similar effect.

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         Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Oh, no! An atheist, .  Yeah, but that's cool.  People have always sought to alter their states of consciousness in a search for spirituality.  It helps with the writing or whatever sometimes, too.  That's why some writers drink.
         
         One thing I would say in all seriousness is that these Hubpage 'arguments' for and against religion are pretty obtuse.  I'm aware of that...and also aware that I'd never disclose any actual belief I have here.  I'm just bored and so am tossing off some philosophical art talk.  Don't get to do that too much these days.  Pretty stuck in Chamber of Commerce type meetings, .  Damn spiritual.  lol

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            mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            That's why some writers drink.
            I love my beer when I am thinking or contemplating

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         mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Have you had blue meany mushrooms and seen the light coming out of objects?
         The Shamans call magic mushrooms the flesh of the gods and the dance with the angels,a higher conscious state but not god conscious . 
         
         Psychedelic drugs are used to expand the apprentices mind a preparation as  the vision of god can be too much for the brain to handle.

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      mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      beware there are a few around.
      
      Life goes into the beyond  is a reality for some and a chance to laugh for some.

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   Inspirepubposted 15 years ago

   While Mohit is happy with his self-generated answer, I thought others may be interested in the results of a quick Google.
   
   1. Scientists explain the burning bushes in the Bible (download original article in .pdf format)
   Av: Hanne Dankertsen 17. jul 08:30
   
   Norwegian researchers have found the explanation for the burning bushes in the Bible.
   
   Last year the experts were sent to the southern parts of Sahara too look at some bushes that were reported to be setting themselves alight. Stinking smoke came from burning red holes in the ground.
   
   The problems increased and the authorities in Mali considered evacuating whole villages in the area.
   
   Physician Dag Kristian Dysthe and three geologies, all Norwegian, expected to find lava underneath the smoking soil. Instead they found a burning layer of turf and the explanation for one of the mystery of the burning bushes in the Bible; the self-alighting bushes.
   
   «We measured 700 degrees celsius (1292 Fahrenheit) in some of the holes. It was actually a little scary seeing the burning bushes in the desert, almost like in the Bible», said Dysthe.
   
   «We discovered that a burning layer of turf under the soil caused the smoke and the heat that set the bushes on fire», Dysthe added.
   
   The extraordinary findings were described in the science magazines Nature and Science.
   
   2. Natural gas venting from the ground, as at Parnassus, feeds the flame.
   
   Read an extract from the book, The Miracles of Exodus, which explains in great detail several possible explanations, dismisses some, and expands on this one.
   
   3. Dictamnus gymnostylis, a plant which emits volatile gases - read all about it in Fleisher and Fleisher, Study of Dictamnus gymnostylis volatiles and plausible explanation of the "Burning Bush" phenomenon, in Journal of Essential Oil Research. This one is not as credible as others, though.
   
   4. And one for the religionists among us:
   
   Lukas ends his article on an uplifting note. Acknowledging that some are "attempting to cast doubt on the foundations of monotheism" Lukas adds:
   
       But not all the explanations of the Passover story are motivated by such ardent secularism. In The Miracles of Exodus, Humphreys writes that "a natural explanation of the events of the Exodus doesn't to my mind make them any less miraculous. … What made certain events miraculous was their timing."
   
   So there is no need to fight - we can have a scientific explanation AND a supernatural invisible deity coexisting happily.
   
   As long as nobody tells Occam ...
   
   Jenny

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      mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      But the bush didn't burn so Moses was talking about something else.So none of the above mentioned scientific facts fit in ?
      You are mentioning cases where bushes actually burn and we are talking of the bush on fire which didn't catch fire.
      
      http://www.childrensermons.com/sermons/burningbush.htm
      
      One day Moses saw something very unusual.  He saw a bush that appeared to be on fire, but it wasn't burning down. 
      
      «We discovered that a burning layer of turf under the soil caused the smoke and the heat that set the bushes on fire», Dysthe added.
      How does this answer the question? So many sentences with not a single one answering the question.

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   Inspirepubposted 15 years ago

   The burning bush was on fire, Mohit, but it was not consumed - that is, the bush was not fuelling the fire, something else was.
   
   If you want to go down the path that the "fire" of the burning bush wasn't really fire at all, you are on the slippery slope to denying the literal truth of the revealed word of The Lord God Himself ... you may as well claim that the Resurrection was merely symbolic and not literally true while you are at it.
   
   Either it's all literally true, or it's all a nice story with vague historical references and interesting symbolism.
   
   But you can't go picking and choosing that some bits are one and some the other. Well you can, but you lose credibility.
   
   Jenny

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      mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      The burning bush was on fire, Mohit, but it was not consumed - that is, the bush was not fuelling the fire, something else was.
      
      Even then it would get burned- common sense.
      
      http://www.childrensermons.com/sermons/burningbush.htm
      
      One day Moses saw something very unusual. He saw a bush that appeared to be on fire, but it wasn't burning down.
      
      Mark the words very unusual.
      
      I am not making this up or  picking and choosing that some bits are one and some the other. Well you can, but you lose credibility.Its the truth maybe you are questioning Moses's credibility and not mine.
      
      All the above mentioned so called scientific proof you presented have the bush burning and it doesnt answer the question.
      
      Lets stick to this topic and not get carried away with resurrection, etc

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   Inspirepubposted 15 years ago

   Maybe it's an English issue, Mohit, but the quote you have supplied very clearly says that the bush was "not burning down" that is is "not being consumed", but it was clearly in flames.
   
   New International Version:
   
   There the angel of the LORD appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up.
   
   King James Version:
   
   And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
   
   English Standard Version:
   
   And the angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush. He looked, and behold, the bush was burning, yet it was not consumed.
   
   New Living Translation:
   
   There the angel of the Lord appeared to him in a blazing fire from the middle of a bush. Moses stared in amazement. Though the bush was engulfed in flames, it didn’t burn up.
   
   Young's Literal Translation:
   
   and there appeareth unto him a messenger of Jehovah in a flame of fire, out of the midst of the bush, and he seeth, and lo, the bush is burning with fire, and the bush is not consumed.
   
   Holman Christian Standard Bible:
   
   Then the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire within a bush. As Moses looked, he saw that the bush was on fire but was not consumed.
   
   I can't find a Bible which says anything other than that the bush was burning with real flames. Which Bible are you using?
   
   Jenny

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      mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I can't find a Bible which says anything other than that the bush was burning with real flames.
      
      Though the bush was engulfed in flames, it didn’t burn up.
      
      Is your English so poor is is it your ability to comprehend.? All you have done is reiterate what I said.
      
      New International Version:
      Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up.
      
      Exactly what I have been saying- very unusual.
      
      Imagine being covered with oil and you catch fire, it will be the carbon content or vapor that burns initially but will you be untouched, will you not burn ? How difficult is this to comprehend?
      
      Its doesn't burn up like the scientific facts you quoted.

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   Inspirepubposted 15 years ago

   Mohit,
   
   The science I presented is explaining how a bush could be engulfed in flames without being burned - that the flames are burning gases from under the ground rather than the wood of the bush, which explains why the bush itself is "not consumed".
   
   It is likely somewhat blackened and charred, mind you!
   
   But not consumed ...
   
   Jenny

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      mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      It gives the reason why the bush catch fire and burn.

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    Inspirepubposted 15 years ago

    Not the bush, my dear beknighted soul, gases coming from the ground ...
    
    But it matters not - you are free to believe whatever you choose to believe.
    
    May your belief bring peace and power to you.
    
    Jenny

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       mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       The gases from the ground are the basic fuel for the fire.This is why the bush burns but in Moses story the Bush did not burn.
       
       Jenny "It is likely somewhat blackened and charred, mind you!"
       
       Blackened and charred but not burned this is crazy , a new science , congratulations Jenny .

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