Do you believe in a creator? and how was the world created?

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   Jefacityposted 13 years ago

   Everything in this entire world was created by something. No matter what belief you hold it seems the world is created. For those of you who believe in the big bang or the theological god said let there be light. Creating stars and planets, moons and galaxies. Over billions of years the process went forth.
   
   Whether you believe evolution created us or gods hand, why do you each criticize each others beliefs in an invisible force permeating our existence?
   
   Nothing on this Earth was not created by something else. Man is a creator as well. You and I help co-create this world.
   
   If everything in life is created, which it seemingly is, tell me is it more rational to believe in a higher intelligent being doing it or just some random hibbity jibbity forces?

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      Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Love the reference: 'hibbity jibbity forces'

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      wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Are you implying that a drop of water that coalesced out of multiple molecules of steam was "created"?  In the strictest sense of the word that would be true, but in no way is it necessary that there was a "creator" that did it.  Instead, the random hibbity jibbity forces you disdain were the cause - that you do not wish to study and understand these "random" "forces" in no way causes them to be less relevant or indicates that a postulated God existing in a postulated universe with postulated powers was the cause.

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      qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      ...of course there's a "creator!"
      "Its" name is Serendipity!
      How the hell "It" created all this, beats the hell outa me.
      I think everyone else is stumped too.
      Qwark

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   just_curiousposted 13 years ago

   This is a mystery. You've, quite eloquently, made a statement in support of creationism. That usually brings a bevy of comments. The only one you get is a complement on creating a new term? Very odd.
   
   I just want to tell you, I think it would benefit us all if we worked under the assumption that there was no 'creation'. That tends to inhibit the search for any interesting answers. Everybody argues over every simple piece of information we uncover. I mean, really. Who cares why? How is the better question.
   
   I like to listen to people talk spirituality; it's like icing on the cake. But science has always been the meat and potatoes that sustains us; and gives us the ability to discuss questions like yours in comfort; and the knowledge we need to keep us somewhat grounded, since we sometimes tend to stray too far from the reality of our limitations of finding the answer to your question.

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      wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I have to disagree with you.  To me the OP has said, using different words, "I don't understand how such a process could work in the physical world, so I will make believe a fantasy creature did it all".
      
      No matter how many of our ignorant, sheephearder ancestors believed in such a fantasy, there is no reason to make up such a story except "I don't understand".  The fact that these beliefs have been passed down for millenium doesn't matter - they are still based on "I don't understand the world".
      
      The OP's comment on 'hibbity jibbity forces' is a case in point and very illustrative - he doesn't understand these forces so makes fun of them and makes up his own ideas instead of learning about the 'hibbity jibbity forces' in a real effort to understand.  It doesn't work.

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         just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Well, whether I agree with the OP or not, I can complement him on his presentation.

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         Jefacityposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         i never said i believed either of them are true. i merely just raised a question for discussion. it's just interesting to think about it.

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      Jefacityposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      yea to me it's a rather pointless question. neither side can prove the other wrong and no one really knows the real answer. its just speculation backed by partial "evidence". it's interesting but a waste of time.
      
      The only person/force/thingy in the world i've ever held responsible as a creator is myself. Sure there's plenty of forces out of my control but what we as human beings are able to do is pretty darn amazing.

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   jomineposted 13 years ago

   Yes, all belief in creation is just that "belief",irrespective of whether it is religion or bigbang, but untenable rationally and logically.
   All we can say is "existence exist".

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      just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Bet you can't say that ten times real fast and make it sound like something coherent.

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         jomineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I'm not trying to play children's games!!

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            just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            That's where you are wrong. Existence exists. A rather simplistic explanation. I'm glad we don't stop trying to figure it all out and take that for an answer. We could teach that explanation to a two year old.

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               jomineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               All we know is the things which we see exists............ rest are all opinions or explanations.
               All non contradictory explanations are possibilities, but not that it happened like that only. Creation is an explanation, but is contradictory.

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                  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I am perfectly comfortable with agreeing that we have arrived at no answer that adequately explains what we observe.  But the pat answer of 'existence exists' sounds like a Popeye approach to science.
                  
                  I am what I am.  It is what it is. Existence exists.
                  
                  It's inane.

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                     jomineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Well i said that is the only thing we can say for sure.
                     Rest are all opinions, conjectures or explanations!

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            Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Then, it is even more frightening to know that you're actually serious.

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               jomineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               So you are going to 'prove' creation?
               Welcome!

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   paarsurreyposted 13 years ago

   Do you believe in a creator? and how was the world created?
   
   Yes I believe very naturally that the Creator-God Allah YHWH does exsit.
   
   [7:55] Surely, your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six periods; then He settled Himself on the Throne. He makes the night cover the day, which pursues it swiftly. And He created the sun and the moon and the stars, all made subservient by His command. Verily, His is the creation and the command. Blessed is Allah, the Lord of the worlds.
   [7:56] Call upon your Lord in humility and in secret. Surely, He does not love the transgressors.
   
   http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=54
   
   Everything started evolving with the commandment from the Creator-God the words "be" and it came into being in millions of years; it will stop evolving on His commandment "not to be" as per the blue print made by Him.

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      earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Hogwash! Your inability to distinguish fact from myth is the main game here.

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         SEEKER OF TRUTH57posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Earnest,please go change the spark plug in your go-cart.Tackle something that you are knowledgable and qualified to do please.

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            earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            As usual, nothing useful or sensible to add, so just make personal attacks.
            
            Your incapacity to see more than one dimension in people and religion is obvious.
            
            I owned many businesses including restaurants and an international consultancy where I got paid 1.6k a day for my ignorance. I don't need to change spark plugs, you need to change tack.
            
            Grow up!

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               paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Happy to learn that you are a successful businessman.
               
               What do you do with so much money? Sorry, to ask a personal question; please don't answer if you don't like to tell. I wish you more success in you business.

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                  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I share it with those who created it, my friends employees and family, give to charity and people in the street.
                  
                  Money is nothing more than a commodity, the best use of it is to share it.

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                     paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     It is good to share.

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                     aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Would they be Christian charities?

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                        earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Yes, some are.

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                           aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           I will give you a thumbs up on that one.

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                              earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              We have three large well organized common denominations here who do the bulk of the work for the homeless. (Yes sadly we have homeless people in our major cities.)I know some great people in various churches, none have ever even broached religion to me in the last 15 years.
                              
                              I have also supported a wonderful program we have for refugees, which give away free food to those who are not permitted to work or receive government assistance.

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                                 aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 They preach the silent Gospel of good deeds!

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                                    earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                    Yes they do. Works for me.

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                                    Jefacityposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                    thats awesome

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               SEEKER OF TRUTH57posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Please relieve us and do something useful with your life besides deriding us with your superflous, ignorant  and inane pretense of wisdom.

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                  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Not worthy of reply, but I will say one thing. I think you are a sad little person who thinks he speaks for others when he is alone, even ignored by his peers here who can't quite hide their embarrassment at being on the same team.

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                     SEEKER OF TRUTH57posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     I`ve noticed you only have three or four little friends. Put your foot in your own big mouth.

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                        SEEKER OF TRUTH57posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        I will not be like you and shy away from the gosple of Christ.

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                        earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        One hub, and how many followers? You are right though, I do only have a few close friends, I'm fussy like that. I bet you have many many friends.
                        I only have a measly 1253 followers here myself, some of them friends from my own city, others from all over the world. They follow me because they feel sorry for me not having a god and all.
                        
                        Unlike your good self, I actually write here as opposed to scamming every religious thread on the planet to flog my myth.
                        
                        I also have friendships with my employees that go back 30 years, and keep in touch with those I consulted to as well.
                        
                        When you get it wrong it stands out like dogs dangley bits!

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                           SEEKER OF TRUTH57posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           He that putteth his hand to the plow and looketh back is not worthy to enter the kingdom of God. Digest that my former christian. There was an unfaithful disciple and his name was Judas.

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                              earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              What a useless pile of hot cocky poo that is.
                              Go write something and make yourself useful. I'm sure you know more than how to make a fool of yourself.

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                                 SEEKER OF TRUTH57posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 Even though it says in God`s word not to call a man a fool,I will place you in that catagory.Ignorant and obtuse. May you find your misguided way. I will not lay down and see you or any other degrade the name of Christ. Hope for your findings of truth.

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                                    just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                    Love God. Love your neighbor. These are the two greatest commandments. I don't remember a third commandment, about degrading non believers. Did I miss that one?

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                                    earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                    Write a hub about it.

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                                    earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                    Nothing useful to say? I don't degrade the name of any of the deities or any other myths, I just state that believing in them is nonsense, and demonstrate that when I can.

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                              earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              He that resorteth to bits from the bible to supporteth such a statement is right out of ideas!

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   Rafiniposted 13 years ago

   Hmmph!!  Everyone knows the world was created through the Laws of Logic (at minimum, anyway) and everyone also knows that Logic doesn't happen by accident!

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      SEEKER OF TRUTH57posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Well srated Rafini.

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      SEEKER OF TRUTH57posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I meant to say, well stated Rafini.

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         Rafiniposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         

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      Jefacityposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      the universe does have a logic to it; however strange and quirky it gets

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