Who is Allah ?

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Eng.Mposted 13 years ago
many people think Allah is different from God who people from other religions worship .

they ask who is ALLah ? how does he look like ?

and the most important question:

how do you know he is the creator and the only one ?

I would never ask the last question as my understanding of Allah has a sequence as follows:
1-I first belived there is a creator
2-I then read Quran and believed it is that creator who wrote this
3-in that book he asks me to call him Allah so I finally call him so
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Don't speak of the Q'uran ina forum. I think you're looking for trouble. And that is disgusting to say the least !!
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  Eng.Mposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  explain please
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ask a muslim to explain it. I'm not one.
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  Eng.Mposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  explain why you think I am looking for troubles
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Becuse for muslims the Q'uran is so sacred ,they wouldn't like to see jokes about it. and peole have been making funny remarks about it so far
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  Eng.Mposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  people have been making fun of everything
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well you should know That you can't make fun of the Q'uran. If you don't undersdtand that is not my problem. It's yours
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  Eng.Mposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I can't understand your point
  
  did I make fun of Quran ? feel free to quote me
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  no you didn't. others did ironic remarks
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  Eng.Mposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  so you are asking me to stop talking about it so some people don't have fun of it
  
  in this case , people would just not talk about many things
  don't you think ?
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  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Religion is so often a cause of conflict on this forum, that people are wary about others trying to impose their beliefs on others. You may not want to impose your beliefs on others, but sometimes people find it difficult to respect others opinions.
  
  In fact, almost every conversation about religion on this board (any religion, not just Islam) causes arguments and conflict. Personally I have no religion, I am an athiest, and I am happy to respect the beliefs of others - just so long as they respect my own beliefs.
  
  If you wish to talk about religion, but can respect the choices of others, then that is no problem. I think that is why (actually I know it is why) tantrum is not keen on religious threads.
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I haven't make fun of the Q'uran ,while you did. So who's keen here? I think you're very ignorant of muslim's beliefs
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  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Dude I didnt say that you made fun of any remarks, I was just trying to calm the bloke down...... maybe you are keen on religious threads?
  
  In which case I take it back..... OP, tantrum loves talking about the Q'uran, enjoy
  
  I, on the other hand, am going to bail *taxi*
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  B my guest!
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  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And yes I am very ignorant of islamic beliefs, just like I am ignorant of christian beliefs, hindu beliefs, buddhist beliefs, sikh beliefs........ I wish to remain blissfully ignorant of those beliefs if possible.... I prefer drinking beer, smoking fags, and watching sports on tv
  
  Have fun
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  Eng.Mposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I smoke and watch sports too but that doesn't stop me from searching how we came to life
  
  don't you think the origin of life is one of the biggest questions
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's O.K .We all do. It would be better if you ask , who is God, then.
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  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  My personal belief is that the origin of life has now been answered by scientists. I believe in evolution. You believe in a creator, and I believe that we are here as a result of a fluke. But I respect your opinion enough to not have to burden you with mine.
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  Eng.Mposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  you don't need to burden me with your ideas
  
  you need to be flexible to learn new things
  
  for example, I believe in creation but I read a book about evolution called 'Evolution for Everyone' by David Solan Wilson and I agree with him in many things but not the origin of life.
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  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have to be "flexible to learn new things"..... in other words, If I don't agree with everything that you say then I don't know as much as you? This is exactly the attitude that causes conflict. Athiests blamed for not respecting religion, when in fact it is the other way around.
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  andromidaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Cheers!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do you want a set of beliefs? We Christians are running a special this week! Join and we guarantee you a wife without a mustache!
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Is that another miracle?
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I had an offer of a wife without a mustache from a muslim, but it turned out to be a ten year old.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yikes! Don't tell your Mom!
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Or the law, in most countries! As it is I do enough baby sitting!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Voluntarily or under threat of wife like diecipline?
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I do get asked to babysit, but yeh! I love getting bashed and told how to do stuff by four year olds.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Have you ever stepped on a Leggo block, barefooted on your way to the kitchen in the middle of the night? I was hopp'n and a- cuss'n, Jump'n and a-spitt'n and forgot my drink of water. And your wife says sleepily,"Everything ok?"
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You know what? They actually think we believe they slept through it!
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  Eng.Mposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  good path and day
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  Eng.Mposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  yes
  
  differences bring conflicts sometimes which is the case with religions but I think its people fault not diffrernces
  we already have more similarities than differences , don't we ?
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  mobilephone guideposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  because it's easier to bully a christian than a raving muslim, afraid perhaps. someone might giveaway your ip and location... you know. beheading and the likes. lolololollol
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  AEvansposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  Eng.Mposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I know there is no difference
  
  I wrote the OP as some people ask the question
  how do you know he is the creator and the only one ?
  
  which may be answered many ways
  ilordvader simplly implied Allah is the translation of the word God which is another approach
  
  best regrads
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  Freeistposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Allah just means "god" in another language. There are many names of god, many messages from god. One god, many names. In the Torah it says that someday the name of god will be one and god will be one. Consciousness of this will be raised to that level in a more widespread way someday.
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  forlanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Allah is the word used to describe the ultimate super entity from which everything comes from and is a part of.
  Its the same as Shiva or Ahura Mazda or Jehovah the only difference is the language.
  
  One is free to call him by any name he chooses and there is only one god.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Can you go back and forth? This day yes and that day no or is it kind of permenant? If you join do you get one of those cool curved knives?
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  scamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I suppose he looks like this:
  
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  chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  it is just for concentration.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The language of that area- Allah
  
  Language of India- Brahma
  
  The only difference is in the language, the entity doesn't change.
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  video lostposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's right but you can play with the name Brahma, for example, Brahma Sutra.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So does it become a bad name for god?
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  video lostposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  no, but if it represents some sort of image or anything against the will of Allah then obviously it's bad otherwise not
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Brahma is the formless like Allah.
  Then we have Brahma the creator, Vishnu the preserver and Shiva as the destroyer-trinity.
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  video lostposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So at last, you played with Brahma, you made it clear that Brahma is not a preserver or destroyer but Allah is Creator, Preserver and Destroyer at the same time.
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  chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  then its mean nothing is more or less
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What is wrong with you? Cant you read I said Brahma is regarded as te formless like Allah .
  Brahman knower of Brahma or Allah or God and enlightened one like Muhammad.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What is wrong with you? Cant you read I said Brahma is regarded as the formless like Allah .
  Brahmin knower of Brahma or Allah or God an enlightened one like Muhammad.
  
  Meditate and gain enlightenment instead of wasting your time fighting over which is the best name for god.Do you really think god cares a damn about the name?
  
  Will you save your soul by saying Muhammad is the greatest prophet , Islam the greatest religion and Allah the best name for god? Wake up you have brains, use them.
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  ilordvaderposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What do you think will save your soul ?
  
  What do you think God will ask for ?
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Light ?
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  turgumanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  i wish you keep that sense of humor till the end i mean after the end
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Before and after
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Meditation is the answer.
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  chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  it is just for concentration.
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  video lostposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  more than that
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  chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  nothing is more or less
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dingdongposted 13 years ago
Did he make a signature with date?
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  Eng.Mposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  may be
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ryankettposted 13 years ago
I read the Harry Potter books, I know that somebody created that book, and on the cover it told me that her name was 'J.K. Rowling'

That does not mean that I travel around the net trying to get people to read Harry Potter books.
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  Eng.Mposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  neither do I .
  
  what I am doing is thinking loudly so may be I get some useful idea .
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  video lostposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's not written in the Potter's book to propagate. On the other hand it's written in Qur'an to communicate it well to others.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You do see the oneness in the Holy Quran, Holy Bible and Holy Bhagwat Gita?
  If you don't you have failed to understand the message of the Holy Quran and need to contemplate and meditate on it.
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  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I believe that she has another book to write? So that leaves her open to demand people to 'propogate'? If so, would 'Hogwartism' be an acceptable religion, and could I myself try and spread the word of Harry Potter?
  
  I could start to write a book tomorrow, and tell people to communicate it to others, if I gave you a free copy - would you do so? That would help out the marketing a lot.
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  mcbeanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds like you are describing Scientology Ryan.
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Eng.Mposted 13 years ago
what can I say
have a good day
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Lady_Eposted 13 years ago
Who is Allah?

God to the Muslims. I'm just interested in knowing if it is him who asks the Muslims to fight "Holy Wars".
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  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thats all down to interpretation of the holy book. It has even been re-written by several different sects.
  
  Much like the bible, look how many different interpretations their are of that - particularly in America.
  
  Some muslims do believe that they will become a martyr for fighting in the name of islam. e.g. suicide bombers. The question is whether or not this is the interpretation that the original writers wanted.
  
  You can see yourself how people can misinterpret forum posts. If people can twist and change the direction of one forum post, then they can do it with a book which is thousands of pages long.
  
  Thats a little like asking whether or not protestants and catholics believe that god would want them to throw petrol bombs at each other - the answer is likely to be no?
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  Lady_Eposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, but Muslims take it to the very extreme. If we listen to the news its a weekly or at least monthly occurrence all in the name of Allah.
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  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I really dont know. I still think that I am right in saying that it is interpretation. Im sure that I have read that there are several different versions of the book.
  
  Take Turkey for example, they are a huge country, 98% muslim. And yet they are just like us. Not a bhurka in site through most of it. I have been to their biggest mosques in Istanbul, the people are fantastically liberal. Now, their sermons cannot be preaching the same stuff as those in Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan. I havent seen a Turkish terrorist arrested in the UK yet, and they want to distance themselves from the largely muslim world by joining the EU.
  
  Thats what I mean by interpretation.
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  Eng.Mposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I thought there is only one in the original language
  
  there are many in other languages but you still need to read it through the understanding of Arabs
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  Eng.Mposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  may be because the media want you to have the vision you are having now
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  turgumanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  that`s what islam said about how muslim should deal with non-muslims
  
  60:8 (Y. Ali- translation) Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.
  
  nothing called holy wars in islam there is something called "jihad"
  jihad is from verb ja`hada means "exerting effort" to stop enemy, but who is enemy ? that script explain it totally
  
  60:9 (Y. Ali-translation) Allah only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong.
  
  this is the general rule of jihad in islam & this is how we understand our religion be forgiving but not weak i think nothing wrong about that,
  some people will take the second half only we call them extremist but believe it or not most of non-muslims do so too !
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  Lady_Eposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  OK. Thanks for explaining.
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  Eng.Mposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  you mean Jihad
  
  I wish you tell me what you know about it
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noserverposted 13 years ago
and who is human ?
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  Eng.Mposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  a system ? ?
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ilordvaderposted 13 years ago
Some of the biggest misconceptions that many non-Muslims have about Islam have to do with the word “Allah.” For various reasons, many people have come to believe that Muslims worship a different God than Christians and Jews. This is totally false, since “Allah” is simply the Arabic word for “God” - and there is only One God. Let there be no doubt - Muslims worship the God of Noah, Abraham, Moses, David and Jesus - peace be upon them all. However, it is certainly true that Jews, Christians and Muslims all have different concepts of Almighty God. For example, Muslims - like Jews - reject the Christian beliefs of the Trinity and the Divine Incarnation. This, however, does not mean that each of these three religions worships a different God - because, as we have already said, there is only One True God. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all claim to be “Abrahamic Faiths”, and all of them are also classified as “monotheistic.” However, Islam teaches that other religions have, in one way or another, distorted and nullified a pure and proper belief in Almighty God by neglecting His true teachings and mixing them with man-made ideas.

First of all, it is important to note that “Allah” is the same word that Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews use for God. If you pick up an Arabic Bible, you will see the word “Allah” being used where “God” is used in English. This is because “Allah” is a word in the Arabic language equivalent to the English word “God” with a capital “G”. Additionally, the word “Allah” cannot be made plural, a fact which goes hand-in-hand with the Islamic concept of God.

It is interesting to note that the Aramaic word “El”, which is the word for God in the language that Jesus spoke, is certainly more similar in sound to the word “Allah” than the English word “God.” This also holds true for the various Hebrew words for God, which are “El” and “Elah”, and the plural or glorified form “Elohim.” The reason for these similarities is that Aramaic, Hebrew and Arabic are all Semitic languages with common origins. It should also be noted that in translating the Bible into English, the Hebrew word “El” is translated variously as “God”, “god” and “angel”! This imprecise language allows different translators, based on their preconceived notions, to translate the word to fit their own views. The Arabic word “Allah” presents no such difficulty or ambiguity, since it is only used for Almighty God alone. Additionally, in English, the only difference between “god”, meaning a false god, and “God”, meaning the One True God, is the capital “G”. Due to the above mentioned facts, a more accurate translation of the word “Allah” into English might be “The One -and-Only God” or “The One True God.”

More importantly, it should also be noted that the Arabic word “Allah” contains a deep religious message due to its root meaning and origin. This is because it stems from the Arabic verb ta’allaha (or alaha), which means “to be worshipped.” Thus in Arabic, the word “Allah” means “The One who deserves all worship.” This, in a nutshell, is the Pure Monotheistic message of Islam.

Suffice it to say that just because someone claims to be a “monotheistic” Jew, Christian or Muslim, that does not keep them from falling into corrupt beliefs and idolatrous practices. Many people, including some Muslims, claim belief in “One God” even though they’ve fallen into acts of idolatry. Certainly, many Protestants accuse Roman Catholics of idolatrous practices in regards to the saints and the Virgin Mary. Likewise, the Greek Orthodox Church is considered “idolatrous” by many other Christians because in much of their worship they use icons. However, if you ask a Roman Catholic or a Greek Orthodox person if God is “One”, they will invariably answer: “Yes!.” This claim, however, does not stop them from being “creature worshipping” idolaters. The same goes for Hindus, who just consider their gods to be “manifestations” or “incarnations” of the One Supreme God.

Before concluding… there are some people out there, who are obviously not on the side of truth, that want to get people to believe that “Allah” is just some Arabian “god”[1], and that Islam is completely “other” - meaning that it has no common roots with the other Abrahamic religions (i.e. Christianity and Judaism). To say that Muslims worship a different “God” because they say “Allah” is just as illogical as saying that French people worship another God because they use the word “Dieu”, that Spanish-speaking people worship a different God because they say “Dios” or that the Hebrews worshipped a different God because they sometimes call Him “Yahweh.” Certainly, reasoning like this is quite ridiculous! It should also be mentioned, that claiming that any one language uses the only the correct word for God is tantamount to denying the universality of God’s message to mankind, which was to all nations, tribes and people through various prophets who spoke different languages.

Zakir Naik - Why is God called Allah by Muslims?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHeQroDdCWI
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  Make Moneyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah the Arabs are Semites too, as are Akkadian, Amharic, Aramaic, Ge'ez, Hebrew, Maltese, Phoenician, Tigre and Tigrinya among others. I noticed you said "the word “Allah” cannot be made plural". Then you said "the Aramaic word “El”" is "more similar in sound to the word “Allah” than the English word “God.”" Then you said for the Hebrew word for God, “El” the plural is “Elohim.” I wonder why the Aramaic and Hebrew word for God which is “El” can be made plural, to “Elohim” but the Arabic word for God which is “Allah” can not be made plural?
  
  Peace be upon you
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  Make Moneyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You guys avoided my question.
  
  I wonder why the Aramaic and Hebrew word for God which is “El” can be made plural, to “Elohim” but the Arabic word for God which is “Allah” can not be made plural?
  
  With there being a seamless transition from the Old Testament to the New Testament in the Holy Bible I believe this is more proof of the Holy Trinity.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  וַיֹּאמֶר אֱלֹהִים נַֽעֲשֶׂה אָדָם בְּצַלְמֵנוּ כִּדְמוּתֵנוּ וְיִרְדּוּ בִדְגַת הַיָּם וּבְעֹוף הַשָּׁמַיִם וּבַבְּהֵמָה וּבְכָל־הָאָרֶץ וּבְכָל־הָרֶמֶשׂ הָֽרֹמֵשׂ עַל־הָאָֽרֶץ׃
  Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all* the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." Gen 1:26
  
  Us, Our, Our ~ sounds pretty plural to me and in this text and a thousand others Elohim is the plural.
  
  They lack understanding of the word Echad אחד in Hebrew, allah to them cannot have a plural or they think it means other gods, but it means ONE as in together, united, inseprable and it is used here too.
  
  עַל־כֵּן יַֽעֲזָב־אִישׁ אֶת־אָבִיו וְאֶת־אִמֹּו וְדָבַק בְּאִשְׁתֹּו וְהָיוּ לְבָשָׂר אֶחָֽד׃
  "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become One (echad) flesh." Gen 2:24
  
  וַיֹּאמֶר יְהוָה אֱלֹהִים הֵן הָֽאָדָם הָיָה כְּאַחַד מִמֶּנּוּ לָדַעַת טֹוב וָרָע וְעַתָּה פֶּן־יִשְׁלַח יָדֹו וְלָקַח גַּם מֵעֵץ הַֽחַיִּים וְאָכַל וָחַי לְעֹלָֽם׃
  Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"--Gen 3:22
  
  שְׁמַע יִשְׂרָאֵל יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ יְהוָה אֶחָֽד׃
  Deut 6:4
  "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one!
  Footnote:
  * Or The LORD is our God, the LORD alone (that is, the only one)
  
  © Info: - New King James Version © 1982 Thomas Nelson
  
  NLT - Deu 6:4 -
  "Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD alone.*
  Footnote:
  * Or The LORD our God is one LORD, or The LORD our God, the LORD is one, or The LORD is our God, the LORD is one.
  
  © Info: - New Living Translation © 1996 Tyndale Charitable Trust
  
  NIV - Deu 6:4 -
  Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.*
  Footnote:
  * Or The Lord our God is one Lord; or The Lord is our God, the Lord is one; or The Lord is our God, the Lord alone.
  
  Removes all doubt.
  A mystery that has been revealed as ONE !
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ilordvaderposted 13 years ago
Zakir Naik: Terrorism and Jihad 1/13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnTmrSRoGis
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ilordvaderposted 13 years ago
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"Who Wrote the Holy Quran"
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Quran, in Arabic, could only have been written by ONE of 3
possible sources:

1 the Arabs

2 Mohammad (peace be upon him)

3 Allah (GOD)

(NOTE: The first part is not meant to be a rigorous proof. It is
something to ponder upon. However, the second part, about
Mohammad [pbuh] wrote it' contains more extensive proof.)

Besides the above mentioned sources, Quran couldn't possibly
have been written by ANYONE else.

No other source is possible, because Quran is written in pure,
rich, and poetic Arabic, which was not known to anyone other
than the above mentioned sources, at that time. The Arabic
language was at its peak in expression, richness, vocabulary,
artistic, and poetic value during the time the Quran was being
revealed. Anyone speaking the classical Arabic ( the Arabic of
Quran at the time it was revealed) would argue that a non-Arab
entity couldn't possibly have written such an extensive and
brilliant piece of literature in the Arabic language. Quran
could only have been written by an Arabic speaking entity. An
entity, who's knowledge, style, vocabulary, grammar, and way of
expression was so powerful that it impacted the entire Arabian
peninsula, the east, the west, and continues to impact people
all over the globe today!

At no other time, in the history of Arabic language, had it ever
achieved its peak in expression, literature, and development,
than the time of Arabia during the 6th Century, the time when
Quran was being revealed. At no other time in the history of
Arabic language had the language ever achieved its highest
potential than the time of Arabia during the 6th Century, the
time when Quran was being revealed. The language reached its
peak in richness, artistic value, and poetry, during that
time. With the Arabic language at its peak, and the best of
Arabic writers, poets present in Arabia, it is impossible that a
non-Arabic speaking entity would write a book like Quran and
have such a dynamite impact on the Arabs!

So only an Arabic speaking entity could have write Quran. With
that in mind, we're left with three choies:

1 - the Arabs wrote it

2 - Mohammad (pbuh) wrote it

3 - Allah (swt) wrote it

Lets examine the three choces one by one.

(1) Arabs Wrote it ? ---------------------

What Quran teaches goes DIRECTLY against the pagan Arab culture,
religion, and gods, that existed before the Quran was revealed.
Quran condemns idol worshipping, but the Arabs, loved their idol
gods, and worshipped them regularly. Quran raised the status
of women; the Arabs treated women next to animals. The Arabs
would never write something that goes against their most
important belief of idol worshipping. Quran goes against most
of the social habbits (such as backbiting, slandering, name
calling, etc) which the Arabs were heavily indulged into. For
example, the Arabs would call insulting nicknames such as Abu
Jahal (the father of ignorance). Quran condemns and prohibits
taking interest on money, whereas, the Arabs freely levied heavy
interest rates in loans and businesses. Quran condemns and
prohibits Alcohol drinking, whereas, the Arabs consumed alcohol
freely. The Quran condemns and prohibits gambling, whereas,
the Arabs were some of the worst gamblers. The Arabs would
never write something so comprehensively against just about all
of their customs and culture and religious beliefs, as the Quran
is.

During the time of the Holy Prophet (pbuh), the Arabs would
indulge in all the social habbits that the Quran condemns and
prohibits. How can Arabs then write something that would negate
their entire society's norms and ideologies ?

Did a group of Arabs or an individual Arab write Quran? Perhaps
a rebel Arab beduoin, or a society's misfit, or someone with
different ideals and norms decided one day to write Quran? The
answer to those questions are also 'no'. Because, if we read
Quran, we notice that there is no author ! No individual has
his/her name written on the cover of Quran! Anytime an
individual writes a book, he/she writes his/her name on the
cover. The author's name always appears on his/her book, and
there is always an author who is credited for writing that book.
No one in the history of the world has EVER claimed to have
written the Quran, nor anyone's name ever appeared in front of
the Quran as bein the 'author'. This is the only book in the
world without an author. No one in the world has ever been
accused of writing the Holy Quran, except the Prophet Mohammad
(peace be upon him), by non-muslims.

Quran has no author, and no group or individual in Arabia ever
claimed to have written it, nor any group or an indvidual
recited, taught, and explained Quran except the Prophet Mohammad
(pbuh) and his followers. The Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon
him) was the only Arabian who first practiced, explained, and
preached Quran, and ended up making a lot of Arab tribes
enemies. Any historian, Muslim or non-Muslim would argue that
the only possible source of Quran can be the Prophet Mohammad
(pbuh), the man responsible to recite it, teach it, and expalin
it to the people of Arabia. In fact, many historians today
still think that only Mohammad (pbuh) could possibly have
written it.

This leads one to conclude that the Prophet (pbuh) must have
written it !

(2) Mohammad (pbuh) wrote it ? ------------------------------

First, he was illiterate !! How can an illiterate person come
up with such a rich, poetic, intellectual, and inspiring text
that it rocked the entire Arabia ?

Mohammad (pbuh) never went to school ! No one taught him. He
had no teacher of any kind in any subjects. How can he have the
knowledge of all the science, astronomy, oceanography, etc that
is contained in the Quran ? ( For example, the mention of
ocean currents, stars, earth, moon, sun and their fixed paths in
Soorah Rahman; and many other scientific statements that are
found in Quran, that I cannot state in this short article)

When Quran was revealed, the Arabic language was at its peak in
richness, poetic value, literature, etc. Quran came and
challenged the best literature in Arabic, the best poetry in
Arabic of the time. Mohammad (pbuh) being illiterate couldnt
possibly have come up with something so immaculate that it even
exceded the best of poetry, and literature in Arabic at the time
of the language's PEAK development. Arabic language had never
been so rich in expression, poetic value, vocabulary, and
variety in literature, as it was in the time of Quran. At a
time like this, Quran came and exceeded the best of Arabic in
all aspects of the language: poetry, literature, expression,
etc. Any classical Arabic speaker would appreciate the
unbeatten, unchallenged, and unmatched beauty of the language of
Quran.

An illiterate man is simply not capable of writing such a book.

Mohammad (pbuh) had no reason to come up with something like
Quran, and cause the entire society of Arabia to become his
enemy. Why would he do something like that? Why would he write
something going against almost all of the norms of the society,
and lose his family, relatives, friends, and other loved ones ,
and not to mention all the wealth he lost ?

Quran was revealed over a period of 23 years ! A very long
time! Is it possible for someone to maintain the same exact
style of Arabic speech , as demonstrated in Quran, for over 23
years ?

Also, what the prophet Mohammad (saaw) used to say is recorded
in what we call his hadeeth (sunnah). If we look at the Arabic
style of the hadeeth, and compare it with the style of Quran, we
can clearly see that they are clearly DIFFERENT, and
DISTINGUISHABLE Arabic styles. The prophet (saaw) spoke in
public. It does not make sense that a man has two UNIQUE,
Distinguishable, and completely different styles of speech in
public. Yet another reason why Mohammad (saaw) couldn't
possibly have written Quran.

Quran was revealed over a period of 23 years ! A very long
time! Is it possible for someone to maintain the same exact
style of Arabic speech , as demonstrated in Quran over 23 years
?

Here's what our famous Muslim Scholar, Ahmad Deedat said:

[From Ahmed Deedat]

WAS QURAN WRITTEN OR INSPIRED? ------------------------------

"Behold! The angels said: "O Mary! God has chosen you and
purified
you - Chosen you above the women of all nations."
   Qur'an-3:42

THE SOURCE OF HIS MESSAGE

"Chosen you above the women of all nations." Such an honour is
not to be found given to Mary even in the Christian Bible!
...........
Knowing full-well, and believing as we do, that the whole Quran
is the veritable Word of God, we will nevertheless agree, for
the sake of argument, with the enemies of Muhammed (pbuh) for a
moment, that he wrote it. We can now expect some cooperation
from the unbeliever.

Ask him, "Have you any qualms in agreeing that Muhammed (pbuh)
was an Arab?" Only an opinionated fool will hesitate to agree.
In that case there is no sense in pursuing any discussion. Cut
short the talk. Close the book!

With the man of reason, we proceed. "That this Arab, in the
first instance, was addressing other Arabs. He was not talking
to Indian Muslims, Chinese Muslims, or Nigerian Muslims. He was
addressing his own people - the Arabs. Whether they agreed with
him or not, he told them in the most sublime form - words that
were seared into the hearts and minds of his listeners that Mary
the mother of Jesus -A JEWESS- was chosen above the women of all
nations. Not his own mother, nor his wife nor his daughter, nor
any other Arab woman, but a Jewess! Can one explain this?
Because to everyone his own mother or wife, or daughter would
come before other women.

Why would the Prophet of Islam honour a woman from his
opposition! and a Jewess at that! belonging to a race which had
been looking down upon his people for three thousand years? Just
as they still look down upon their Arab brethren today.

   SARAH AND HAGAR

The Jews get their cock-eyed racism from their Holy Bible, where
they are told their father, Abraham, had two wives -Sarah and
Hagar. They say that they are the children of Abraham through
Sarah, his legitimate wife; that their Arab brethren have
descended through Hagar, a "bondwoman", and that as such, the
Arabs are inferior breed.

Will anyone please explain the anomaly as to why Muhammed (pbuh)
(if he is the author) chose this Jewess for such honour? The
answer is simple - HE HAD NO CHOICE - he had no right to speak
of his own desire. "IT IS NO LESS THAN AN INSPIRATION SENT DOWN
TO HIM." (Qur'an, 53:4).

   SURA MARYAM

There is a Chapter in the Holy Quran, named Sura Maryam "Chapter
Mary" (XIX) named in honour of Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ
(pbuh); again, such an honour is not to be found given to Mary
in the Christian Bible. Out of the 66 books of the Protestants
and 73 of the Roman Catholics, not one is named after Mary or
her son. You will find books named after Matthew, Mark, Luke,
John, Peter, Paul and two score more obscure names, but not a
single one is that of Jesus or Mary!

If Muhammed (pbuh) was the author of the Holy Quran, then he
would not have failed to include in it with MARYAM, the mother
of Jesus, his own mother - AMINA, his dear wife - KHADIJA, or
his beloved daughter - FATIMA. But No! No! this can never be.
The Quran is not his handiwork!

Another Muslim writes:

-----------------------------------------------FORWARDED
ARTICLE---

From: Abu Abdullah; Subject: Re: Mohammad Wrote the Quran ??
[KORAN] Date: Sat, 05 Aug 95 12:44:14 EDT
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I was reading about the charge that the prophet, Mohammed
(pbuh), has written the Quran himself. Before you go any further
in reading this post, please ask yourself whether you are a
honest truth seeker or just another argumentative person, if the
former, continue, otherwise, save your time and jump to the next
post.

Islam is based on faith that is supported by a number of
strong miracles such as knowing what events to take place
ahead of time or coming up with supernatural deeds in front of
people. The holy Quran has these signs and much more. First, The
holy Quran predicted many events to take place ahead of the time
of the revelation of that verse; for example, predicting the
destruction of Persian empire at a time where the later had a
monumental victory over Rome. If the prophet, as some people
claim, has written the Quran, then he would have put his future
in real jeopardy (50% chance) since neither satellite photos nor
on-ground intelligence personnel were available to him at the
revelation time. Further, numerous details about many natural
phenomena were detailed in the Quran and, until recently, they
were proven by experts to be amazingly accurate. For example of
the physical development of the fetus inside the womb along with
timing given by many verses matches exactly what leading
authorities in Embryology are claiming to be recent
discoveries. Moreover, verses that gives descriptions about the
creation of the universe and the function of mountains in
balancing earth and many other descriptions/explanations are
available to be read and to be understood. If the prophet was
the author, wouldn't he be prone to make weak inferences similar
to those who claim that earth is square and whoever says
otherwise should be killed?

The prophet also has demonstrated many supernatural
miracles not by his own power, but by the power of the
creator. He went to Jerasalem back in one night and gave a
detailed description of the carnival that was traveling on that
route and also specific accedint happend to them at that noght
(in those days, it takes a month or so for a round-trip). In
another ocasion, he provided water for an entire army from a
small plate between his hands. There are many other miracles
that require serious truth seeker to read about and to think
about it.

From the above, it reasonable to conclude that the Quran is
not the
PROPHET CREATION. HE HAD NO WAY TO PREDICT ALL THESE EVENTS AND
TO BE RIGHT ALL THE TIME, ESPECIALLY WHEN KNOWING THAT THE
PROPHET HIMSELFE WAS ILLITERATE !!!
-----------------------------end-forwarded-article---

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   Embryology and Life Sciences in Quran
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"The Developing Human. Clinically Oriented Embryology"
K.L. Moore

5th Edition, Philadelphia, W.B. Saunders Co. (1982) ISBN
07216 4662-X $33.95

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The work by Prof. Keith Moore is probably the most detailed
study of the subject. Prof. Keith Moore is Professor and
Chairman of the Department of Anatomy, University of Toronto.

His books on anatomy and on embryology are used at many medical
school as standard instruction books. The Yale Medical school
uses both his books. The Yale Bookstore phone number for
Medical books is: (203) 772-2081. Their general information
number is (203) 432-4771. (New Haven, Connecticut)

He is *the* authority on embryology. I strongly recommend the
latest edition of the latter book as it mentions how accurately
the Qur'an describes embryo development.

Prof. Moore has said:

"It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify
statements in
the Qur'an about human development. It is clear to me that
these statements must have come to Muhammed from God or Allah
because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until
many centuries later. This proves to me that Mohammed must
have been a messenger of God or Allah."

Prof. Marshal Johnson, Professor and Chairman of the Department
of Anatomy and Director of the Daniel Baugh Institute, Thomas
Jefferson University, Philadelphia

He says:

"The Qur'an describes not only the development of external
form but emphasizes also the internal stages -- the stages
inside the embryo of its creation and development, emphasizing
major events recognized by contemporary science.... If I were
to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I know today
and describing things, I could not describe the things that
were described. I see no evidence to refute the concept that
this individual Mohammed had to be developing this information
from some place, so I see nothing in conflict with the concept
that Divine Intervention was involved...."

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To receive a copy of the article that Moore wrote about
'Highlights of Human Embryology in the Koran and Hadith' please
e-mail me at adam3@netcom.com

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That leaves us to our third option: God wrote it !

May Allah Guide Us All to Straight Path. Ameen.

QURAN: Chapter 4, Verse 82:

"Do they not consider (ponder) on the Quran?
   If it had been from anyone except Allah, they would
   surely have found in it much discrepency
   (contradictions)."

ALLAH CHALLENGES:

Still unsure or doubtful ? Quran is the word of Allah. Allah
challenges to His creations:

Chapter 2, Verses 23 & 24

2: 23. "And if you are in doubt as to what We have revealed
   to our servant, Then produce a Chapter like thereunto;
   And call your witnesses or helpers besides Allah, If
   you are true."

2: 24. "But if you cannot, and surely you cannot, Then fear
   the fire Whose fuel is men and stones, Which is
   prepared for those who reject."

Try reading and understanding the meaning with explanation of
the following verses also !

Chapter 10, verse 38 Chapter 11, verse 13 Chapter 17 verse 88

Wa salamo alaykum,

May Allah Guide Us All to Straight Path. Ameen.

Who wrote the Quran?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4Q_j2LSIdc
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Lady_Eposted 13 years ago
Well, Ilordvader

Hope you'll be sticking around on HP for a while (You've been here approx 50mins).

You are the first Muslim I've come across to share his faith in a Peaceful way. What you've written is a lot to take in, but I'm going through it slowly.
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turgumanposted 13 years ago
thanx that was rich
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
The question is wrong. You assume there is an Allah.
Allah is yet another fictitious character, like the thousands of others in religious tomes, written by men. Some of them hateful sexist old men, and this story has been justified by religionists ever since.
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Take care earnerst ! the jihad will come and get you!
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
Your right tantrum! It has always fascinated me that religious fanatics can get up enough brain cells to even leave home!

It must be wonderful to worship a god who allows you to kill people because you don't agree with them!
Proof positive that religion is dangerous bullshit!
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And sooo boring !!!!
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  All ism's are boring. Scientology goes to great lengths to sell their outrageous belief in a different sort of sky fairy!
  Problem is, they base their combination of "pop" psychology and ski-fi dribble on the "magic meter "
  Some pimply 16 yo fanatic reads your thoughts from the meter while you hold what looks like two coke cans wired to a millivolt meter!
  I know enough about electricity to know how it works, (sweat and body salts create a current) and enough about psychology to see the madness of the conclusions they draw.
  I nearly wet myself laughing!
  I love the way taliban still live on a flat planet.
  A round one does not suit their reading of the good book!
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Too much of the same ! I think I'm getting bored of this religion forum.... or maybe it's the weather
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  Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  How about the fact that if you believe in any creator at all, that creator ,created all things. He/her/it created ALL Things. Are we good so far? God created Pagans. Yes? God created the Gods that the Pagans believed in?? God created everything ? Right ? Maybe God presented himself / herself etc. however he could in order to make an impression ?
  If I had thousands of sons and daughters I would probably make a different deal with each one of them. I have one son that when young, hungered for education, I made a deal with him that if he would mow the grass ??? The other son liked sweating and helping me to build stuff, I made a deal with him that if he would make better grades ???? These two children get together and compare notes! The result ??? one big contradiction !!! God speaks to each of us if we would JUST SHUT UP long enough to listen. Then we could have our own proof. May be not enough proof for someone else, but enough for us. Yes ?
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  AEvansposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I believe and I hope you don't look at me that way.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I certainly do not. I have read what you say, and have never seen you as fanatical. You have my respect, and your behavior is probably better than mine.
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  AEvansposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  **whew** I was scared ((Big Hugs))
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't !
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  AEvansposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You are naughty! I see your grin.
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm totally innocent !
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quietnessandtrustposted 13 years ago
From what I know, the biggest differences are these.
1- The god called allah has no son who came to be an offering of atonement for all mankind.
2- People who believe in allah do not worship Jesus.
3- allah followers do not believe Jesus was sacrificed or dead or raised from the dead either.
4- People who follow allah think they must atone for their own sins / transgressions.
5- allah followers think mohammad was the last and greatest prophet and follow him over The Messiah.

Point is, if you believe in the god called allah and try to say it's the same one as the Jewish or Christian God, that is incorrect based on the 5 things listed alone.

They are different all together by definition.

If you do not believe in any kind of god, this means nothing to you.
Fair enough.
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  Freeistposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Okay, you are referring to the differences in religions, not god ITself. You believe there is one god or many gods.
  There is only one. But god is perceived differently by different people and inviduals. One might mark on a questionaire D.) all of the above.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nope.
  ONE GOD.
  Not many, cannot be many, GOD says that no others exist but HIM and the list of the 5 things are about something other than the One True God. It is not a matter of perception at all. ...Period.
  
  The perception that allah is the same as The God of the Jews and Christians is an illusion!!!... because that God says to Worship His Son The Messiah who came to die for your sins and was executed, dead and raised from the dead. That God does not tell you to atone for your own sins either.
  
  If they or you do not believe this, you believe a lie!
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So I guess they will all be exterminated?
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  quietnessandtrustposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ~~@ Eng.M~~
  
  Or this one?
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  quietnessandtrustposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ...@Eng.M...
  
  Did you mis this post?
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ilordvaderposted 13 years ago
Please feel Free to ask anything & Inshalla(god willing)
I will try to ans all
God Bless Everyone
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ilordvaderposted 13 years ago
You have come up with an interesting question regarding the existence of Allah...

Alhamdulillah the Holy Quran has mentioned many scientific facts discovered in the recent past i.e. the 19th-20th century....and were literally undiscoverable or in some cases unimaginable at the time of the Prophet...and when i say that i not only cover the localities of Arabia....but also the whole world...

I wud humbly like to put forward an example...the aim is not to convince u as u appear to be having ill-feelings towards Islam and Allah...just like if i hate u, no matter hw much somebody praises u in front of me, i will still hate u with some xcuse or the other...this is just an xample, i have no ill-feelings twrds u...

Please note, that Quran is not a science textbook, it is rather a book that puts fwd information that may help a person towards understanding the existence of Allah

The Holy Quran mentions the development stages of a human embryos in great detail throughout the Quran...These details were put fwd to a non-muslim professor on Embryology, Dr. Keith Moore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_L._Moore) and this is what he had to say about it:

Vdo of Dr. Keith:
http://scienceislam.com/scientists_quran.php (Choose Dr. Keith or see all in the list...note that all are non-muslims...)

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"He makes you in the wombs of your mothers in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness." (Surah Zumar 39:6)

After the microscope was discovered in the 17th century by Leeuwenhoek descriptions were made of the early stages of the chick embryo. The staging of human embryos was not described until the 20th century. Streeter (1941) developed the first system of staging which has now been replaced by a more accurate system proposed by O'Rahilly (1972).

"The three veils of darkness" refer to: (l) the anterior abdominal wall; (2) the uterine wall; and (3) the amniochorionic membrane

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"Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed;"
(Surah Mu'minum 23:13)

The drop or nutfah has been interpreted as the sperm or spermatozoon, but a more meaningful interpretation would be the zygote which divides to form a blastocyst which is implanted in the uterus ("a place of rest").

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"Then We made the drop into a leech-like structure."
(Surah Mu'minum 23:14)

The word "alaqah" refers to a leech or bloodsucker. This is an appropriate description of the human embryo from days 7-24 when it clings to the endometrium of the uterus, in the same way that a leech clings to the skin. Just as the leech derives blood from the host, the human embryo derives blood from the decidua or pregnant endometrium.

As there were no microscopes or lenses available in the 7th century, doctors would not have known that the human embryo had this leech-like appearance. In the early part of the fourth week, the embryo is just visible to the unaided eye because it is smaller than a kernel of wheat.

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"Then of that leech-like structure, We made a chewed lump."
(Surah Mu'minum 23:14)

The Arabic word "mudghah" means "chewed substance or chewed lump." Toward the end of the fourth week, the human embryo looks somewhat like a chewed lump of flesh.

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"Then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh;"
(Surah Mu'minum 23:14)

This indicates that out of the chewed lump stage, bones and muscles form. This is in accordance with embryological development. First the bones form as cartilage models and then the muscles (flesh) develop around them from the somatic mesoderm.

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Why not cross check the references, for Quran English Translation, go to

www.harunyahya.com/Quran_translation/Qu … _index.php

for Dr. Keith's Article with diagrams:

http://www.islam101.com/science/embryo.html

After reading all this, i have the following possible conclusions:

1) Maybe Arabs had a microscope at the time of the Prophet...

2) Maybe Prophet himself was a gr8 scientist...

3) Or maybe the creator of humans shared this information with the Prophet...

does anyone have any other possible conclusions!!!......plz share...

"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error..."
(2:256)
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  quietnessandtrustposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  These 3 prophets said this long before your man.
  So your man was a little late and had nothing new to add to this.
  
  "Didn't he who made me in the womb make him? Didn't one fashion us in the womb?" Job 31:15
  
  הֲֽלֹא־בַבֶּטֶן עֹשֵׂנִי עָשָׂהוּ וַיְכֻנֶנּוּ בָּרֶחֶם אֶחָֽד׃
  
  "Thus says the LORD who made you, and formed you from the womb, who will help you: Don't be afraid, Ya`akov my servant; and you, Yeshurun, whom I have chosen." Isaiah 44:2
  
  כֹּה־אָמַר יְהוָה עֹשֶׂךָ וְיֹצֶרְךָ מִבֶּטֶן יַעְזְרֶךָּ אַל־תִּירָא עַבְדִּי יַֽעֲקֹב וִישֻׁרוּן בָּחַרְתִּי בֹֽו׃
  
  "Before I formed thee in embryo I knew thee; and before thou wast born I sanctified thee, [and] I ordained thee a prophet to the nations." Jeremiah 1:5
  
  בְּטֶרֶם אצורך בַבֶּטֶן יְדַעְתִּיךָ וּבְטֶרֶם תֵּצֵא מֵרֶחֶם הִקְדַּשְׁתִּיךָ נָבִיא לַגֹּויִם נְתַתִּֽיךָ׃
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ilordvaderposted 13 years ago
jesus about allah and mohamad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSYrqBPI5xc

Or who do you think Jesus(peace be upon him) was talking about
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  Make Moneyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sorry pal but I can't find it anywhere in my Bible where Jesus said anything of a messenger called Ahmad coming after Him. In the part of the Arabic version of the movie the Passion of the Christ that is in this Youtube video where the English subtitles mention the Helper Jesus is saying He will send His Holy Spirit. It doesn't refer to Mohamad at all. More proof of the Holy Trinity. I very much like that Muslims are watching the Passion of the Christ though.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I see no mention of a man named Mohamed below, and this is the verse they use to say Messiah was walking about Mohamed, but they never quote ALL OF IT !!...they just like to say the "guide" and the "so much more"....means their little prophet man.
  
  Jhn 16:12 "Oh, there is so much more I want to tell you, but you can't bear it now.
  Jhn 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not be presenting his own ideas; he will be telling you what he has heard. He will tell you about the future.
  Jhn 16:14 He will bring me glory by revealing to you whatever he receives from me.
  Jhn 16:15 All that the Father has is mine; this is what I mean when I say that the Spirit will reveal to you whatever he receives from me.
  Jhn 16:16 "In just a little while I will be gone, and you won't see me anymore. Then, just a little while after that, you will see me again."
  
  I love how Messiah says "ALL that the Father has is MINE"
  Guess what that makes Messiah?
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quietnessandtrustposted 13 years ago
Straight questions to you and any other Muslims who try to avoid this. Until you and all others answer this, we have nothing more to talk about. You have avoided the fact that your god does NOT beleive any of these things.

1- Do you worship Jesus (Yahshuah) The Christ (Ha'Mashiach) ?

2- Is He the Son of God All Mighty?

3- Did He make atonement for your sins?

4- Did He die on an execution stake?

5- Was He resurrected and lives forevermore?

6- Is He the ONLY way of salvation between God and man?

7- Is He the KING of KINGS and LORD of LORDS?

8- Is He the image of an invisible God who is Spirit?

9- Is your man greater than Yahshuah?

10- Did He overcome death, hell and the grave and holds the keys to them?
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
At some point it would help if you realized you are both wrong. You are arguing over the non existent!
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ilordvaderposted 13 years ago
All your Qs will be ans on Site below
God Bless You all

http://www.irf.net/
Email : iis@irf.net

http://www.islam-qa.com/en
Email : webmaster@islamqa.com
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  quietnessandtrustposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  All 10 questions required a yes or no answer.
  What is so hard?
  
  And no, I am not going to a web site to get answers to y / n Q's !!!
  
  Straight questions to you and any other Muslims who try to avoid this. Until you and all others answer this, we have nothing more to talk about. You have avoided the fact that your god does NOT beleive any of these things.
  
  1- Do you worship Jesus (Yahshuah) The Christ (Ha'Mashiach) ?
  
  2- Is He the Son of God All Mighty?
  
  3- Did He make atonement for your sins?
  
  4- Did He die on an execution stake?
  
  5- Was He resurrected and lives forevermore?
  
  6- Is He the ONLY way of salvation between God and man?
  
  7- Is He the KING of KINGS and LORD of LORDS?
  
  8- Is He the image of an invisible God who is Spirit?
  
  9- Is your man greater than Yahshuah?
  
  10- Did He overcome death, hell and the grave and holds the keys to them?
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  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  My answer to question 1 is: No, I don't worship anybody.
  
  My answers to questions 2-10 are: How the hell do I know? I never met the bloke, if he ever existed.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I gladly bow to all the prophets and masters and have no ego or attachment to any single one of them a that would be wrong on my path and show a poor understanding of god.
  
  Every human is the son of god and so am I.
  
  Many masters have been executed.
  
  All masters live forever .
  
  Meditation or one pointed concentration is required for salvation and Jesus confirmed this by saying :"When thy eye be single"
  
  All enlightened ones understand their oneness with god.
  
  All are the images of god.
  
  I am equal to Yahshuah and so is everyone and Jesus confirmed this by saying" You can sit next to me in the kingdom of heaven" , not below or above me.
  
  I have overcome death and so have all the enlightened ones.
  
  "How long is this supposed to go on,
  Before I go back home to where I came from. "
  
  God is our real home and we are in a temporary abode.
  
  "When we finally come to our senses we never return to this material world this painful playground we mistakenly call home" Krishna
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  quietnessandtrustposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Meditation or one pointed concentration is required for salvation"
  
  Salvation is of the Jews (said Messiah) and Ha' Mashiach Yahshua is Salvation.
  The very name means YAH~(YHVH)~who~SAVES.
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  video lostposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  YHWH/ELOHIM is not equal to Lord God
  
  In fact,
  
  YHWH/ELOHIM is equal to Oh He is Allah
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Allah is a name for god and so is Jevovah and Brahma.
  Please Usmanali stop fighting over the name.
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  video lostposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Where this J came from in YHWH ???
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  YHWH is also the name of god.
  Get to know god and you will see how silly this whole fight is as to which is the proper name and greatest prophet or religion.
  Pronunciation is different in different parts of the world, that's all there is to it.
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  video lostposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The cult Jehovah's Witnesses mispronounced the word YeHoWaH to JeHoWah. Actually they have a sickness of "J". Whereever there is Y they convert it to J
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Its not a sickness its very easy to mistake a Y for a J due to pronunciation.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Muhammad was illiterate and it wouldn't make any difference to him if the word was spelled with a Y or J as the message does not get altered and earlier on the only way of transferring knowledge was by speech.Writing and parchment came much later.
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  video lostposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes it is a sickness. They add J's where there are no Jays. Look!
  
  Yael he converts to Joel
  Yehuda to Juda
  Yeheshua to Joshua
  Yusuf to Joseph
  Yunus to Jonah
  Yesus to Jesus
  Yehowa to Jehovah
  
  There is no end to the Westerner's infatuation for the letter "J."
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The prophet Muhammad didn't know the difference between Y and J are you telling me he is sick as well?
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  ilordvaderposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ladys first lol
  
  why dont you ans me these Qs you asked
  
  Please
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  quietnessandtrustposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  OK....next?
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
Ah yes, the second book of hate. Or is the quoran Number one?
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
One to ten. No.
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emdiposted 13 years ago
I call my father Pappa and my sister Daddy. The fact is both are the same person.

Let all religions have only one rule - LOVE OTHERS AS YOU LOVE YOURSELVES.

If there is God,there can be only be one. Please dont use this forum to market more hatred and fight,we have enough out there in this world.
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tantrumposted 13 years ago
You sound just like shaul stein. Maybe you're related ?
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quietnessandtrustposted 13 years ago
Luk 22:63 Now the guards in charge of Jesus began mocking and beating him.
Luk 22:64 They blindfolded him; then they hit him and asked,
"Who hit you that time, you prophet?"
Luk 22:65 And they threw all sorts of terrible insults at him.

Luke 22:66~67
"At daybreak all the leaders of the people assembled, including the leading priests and the teachers of religious law. Jesus was led before this high council,*
Footnote: * Greek before their Sanhedrin.

“If you are the Christ,*” they said, “tell us.” Jesus answered, “If I tell you, you will not believe Me."
Footnote: * Or Messiah

See, I love that part...."if" I tell you....no denial here, just refusing to be a puppet to those who sought to kill Him for saying he is God !!!
And this was right when they were beating Him to a bloddy mess!!!

Here is why they did it too, and every other belief / religion / concoction, including Muslims hate this part right here with a passion because they all deny Messiah said HE IS GOD !!!

John 10:33
"The Jews answered Him, saying, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God."!!!

Muslims even say He was not crucified or rose from the dead either !!
They are just another ANTI~CHRIST spirit denying
God came in the flesh!!!
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
Superdooperman?
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ilordvaderposted 13 years ago
I) Position of Jesus (pbuh) in Islam:
(i)Islam is the only non-Christian faith, which makes it an article of faith to believe in Jesus (pbuh). No Muslim is a Muslim if he does not believe in Jesus (pbuh).

(ii) We believe that he was one of the mightiest Messengers of Allah (swt).

(iii) We believe that he was born miraculously, without any male intervention, which many modern day Christians do not believe.

(iv) We believe he was the Messiah translated Christ (pbuh).

(v) We believe that he gave life to the dead with God’s permission.

(iv) We believe that he healed those born blind, and the lepers with God’s permission.

II) Concept of God in Christianity:
1. Jesus Christ (pbuh) never claimed Divinity

One may ask, if both Muslims and Christians love and respect Jesus (pbuh), where exactly is the parting of ways? The major difference between Islam and Christianity is the Christians’ insistence on the supposed divinity of Christ (pbuh). A study of the Christian scriptures reveals that Jesus (pbuh) never claimed divinity. In fact there is not a single unequivocal statement in the entire Bible where Jesus (pbuh) himself says, "I am God" or where he says, "worship me". In fact the Bible contains statements attributed to Jesus (pbuh) in which he preached quite the contrary. The following statements in the Bible are attributed to Jesus Christ (pbuh):

(i) "My Father is greater than I."
[The Bible, John 14:28]

(ii) "My Father is greater than all."
[The Bible, John 10:29]

(iii) "…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God…."
[The Bible, Mathew 12:28]

(iv) "…I with the finger of God cast out devils…."
[The Bible, Luke 11:20]

(v) "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."
[The Bible, John 5:30]

2. The Mission of Jesus Christ (pbuh) – to Fulfill the Law

Jesus (pbuh) never claimed divinity for himself. He clearly announced the nature of his mission. Jesus (pbuh) was sent by God to confirm the previous Judaic law. This is clearly evident in the following statements attributed to Jesus (pbuh) in the Gospel of Mathew:

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven; but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

"For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."
[The Bible, Mathew 5:17-20]

3. God Sent Jesus' (pbuh)

The Bible mentions the prophetic nature of Jesus (pbuh) mission in the following verses:

(i)"… and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me."
[The Bible, John 14:24]

(ii)"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent."
[The Bible, John 17:3]

4. Jesus Refuted even the Remotest Suggestion of his Divinity

Consider the following incident mentioned in the Bible:

"And behold, one came and said unto him, ‘Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?’

And he said unto him, ‘Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.’ "
[The Bible, Mathew 19:16-17]

Jesus (pbuh) did not say that to have the eternal life of paradise, man should believe in him as Almighty God or worship him as God, or believe that Jesus (pbuh) would die for his sins. On the contrary he said that the path to salvation was through keeping the commandments. It is indeed striking to note the difference between the words of Jesus Christ (pbuh) and the Christian dogma of salvation through the sacrifice of Jesus (pbuh).

5. Jesus (pbuh) of Nazareth – a Man Approved of God

The following statement from the Bible supports the Islamic belief that Jesus (pbuh) was a prophet of God.

"Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know."

[The Bible, Acts 2:22]

6. The First Commandment is that God is One

The Bible does not support the Christian belief in trinity at all. One of the scribes once asked Jesus (pbuh) as to which was the first commandment of all, to which Jesus (pbuh) merely repeated what Moses (pbuh) had said earlier:

"Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adonai Ikhad."

This is a Hebrew quotation, which means:

"Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord."
[The Bible, Mark 12:29]

It is striking that the basic teachings of the Church such as Trinity and vicarious atonement find no mention in the Bible. In fact, various verses of the Bible point to Jesus’ (pbuh) actual mission, which was to fulfill the law revealed to Prophet Moses (pbuh). Indeed Jesus (pbuh) rejected any suggestions that attributed divinity to him, and explained his miracles as the power of the One True God.

Jesus (pbuh) thus reiterated the message of monotheism that was given by all earlier prophets of Almighty God.

NOTE: All quotations of the Bible are taken from the King James Version.

III) Concept of God in Testament:
1. God is One

The following verse from the book of Deuteronomy contains an exhortation from Moses (pbuh):

"Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adna Ikhad".
It is a Hebrew quotation which means:
"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord"
[The Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4]

2. Unity of God in the Book of Isaiah

The following verses are from the Book of Isaiah:

(i) "I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour."
[The Bible, Isaiah 43:11]

(ii) "I am Lord, and there is none else, there is no God besides me."
[The Bible, Isaiah 45:5]

(iii) "I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me."
[The Bible, Isaiah 46:9]

3. Old Testament condemns idol worship

(i) Old Testament condemns idol worship in the following verses:

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:"

"Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God."
[The Bible, Exodus 20:3-5]

(ii) A similar message is repeated in the book of Deuteronomy:

"Thou shalt have none other gods before me."

"Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that in the earth beneath, or that is in the water beneath the earth."

"Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them; for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God."
[The Bible, Deuteronomy 5:7-9]
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ilordvaderposted 13 years ago
Similarities / Similar Teachings in the Qur’an and the Bible which Muslims follow but Christians don't

I) ISLAM

1. Definition
A. Meaning of Islam
(i) Islam is derived from the word salaam meaning peace.
(ii) Submission to the Will of Allah (swt) i.e. God Almighty.


B. Meaning of ‘Muslim’ – One who submits his will to Allah.
C. Islam is not a new religion found by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

2. Messengers in Islam
A. (i) To every nation was sent a Guide or a Messenger
Al-Qur'an 35:24
Al-Qur'an 13:7

(ii) 25 Prophets mentioned by name in the Qur'an
(iii) Islam is the only non-Christian faith that believes in Jesus (pbuh)
(iv) Stories only of some prophets mentioned in Qur'an
Al-Qur'an 4:164
Al-Qur'an 40:78

(v) More than 1,24,000 Messengers according to Hadith


B. (i) Previous Messengers were only sent for their people and nation and their complete message was meant only for a particular time period.
(ii) Moses (pbuh) was only sent for the Jews.
(iii) Jesus (pbuh) sent only for the Jews i.e. lost sheep of Israel.
Al-Qur'an 3:49
Mathew 10:5-6
Mathew 15:24
(iv) Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the Last and Final Messenger for the
Whole of Mankind.
Al-Qur'an 33:40
Al-Qur'an 21:107
Al-Qur'an 34:28
Sahih Bukhari Vol.1 Book of Salaah Chapter 56 Hadith No. 429
(v) Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) prophesised in the Bible.
Al-Qur'an 7:157
Al-Qur'an 61:6
Deuteronomy 18:18
Isaiah 29:12
Song of Solomon 5:16
John 16:7
John 16:12-14

3. Revelations of God
A. Several Revelations sent by Allah – Al-Qur'an 13:38.
By name only four are mentioned in the Qur’an.

B. (i) The Qur’an is the Last and Final Revelation.
(ii) All previous Revelations before Qur'an were only sent for a particular group of people and for a particular time period
(iii) The Qur’an was Revealed for the Whole of Mankind
Al-Qur'an 14:1
Al-Qur'an 14:52
Al-Qur'an 2:185
Al-Qur'an 39:41

II) PILLARS OF ISLAM:

1. Tauheed: Monotheism
A. La ilaha ilallahu, Muhammad-ur-Rasoolullah
Sahih Bukhari Vol. 1 Hadith No. 7

B. Believe in Allah and the Last Day, and the Angels and the Book and the Messengers.
Al-Qur'an 2:177

C. Come to common terms — Worship of one God
Al-Qur'an 3:64

D. Concept of God
Al-Qur'an 112:1-4
Deuteronomy 6:4
Mark 12:29

E. Shirk – Biggest Sin
Al-Qur'an 4:48
Al-Qur'an 4:116
Exodus 20:2-5
Deuteronomy 5:7-9

F. Jesus (pbuh) not God. He never claimed Divinity
Al-Qur'an 5:72
John 14:28
John 10:29
Mathew 12:28
Luke 11:20
John 5:30
Acts 2:21

G. 99 Attributes of Almighty God
Al-Qur'an 17:110

H. Prefer using name ‘Allah’ rather than the word ‘God’ as the word ‘God’ can be played around with. Allah in the Bible – Eli, Eli, Lama Sabachthani
Mark 15:34
Mathew 27:46

2. Salaah
A. Not merely Prayers but Programming
Al-Qur'an 5:90
Al-Qur'an 2:188

B. Prayers restrain you from shameful and unjust deeds

Al-Qur'an 29:45

C. Salaah timings – for healthy soul five times a day
Al-Qur'an 17:78
Al-Qur'an 20:130

D. Take off shoes before entering mosque.
(i) Commandment of Allah to Moses
Al-Qur'an 20:11-12
Exodus 3:5
Acts 7:33

(ii) Can Pray with Shoes.
Sunan Abu Dawood – Vol. 1, Book of Salaah, Chapter 240,
Hadith No. 652-653.

(iii) Hygienic
E. Ablution
(i) Al-Qur'an 5:6
Exodus 40:31-32
Acts 21:26

(ii) Hygienic
(iii) Mental Preparation


F. Stand shoulder to shoulder, while praying –
Sahih Bukhari – Vol. 1, Book of Adhan Chapter 75 Hadith no. 692
Abu Dawood – Vol. 1, Book of Salaah Chapter 245 Hadith No. 666.

G. Sujud – Prostration
(i) To humble your mind, humble your body
(ii) Sujud mentioned 92 times in the Qur’an
Al-Qur'an 3:43
Al-Qur'an 22:77

(iii) Prostration in the Bible
Genesis 17:3; Numbers 20:6
Joshua 5:14; Mathew 26:39

3. Zakaah
A. Meaning: Purification and Growth
B. Description: 2.5% of saving every lunar year in charity
Al-Qur'an 9:60

C. If every human being gives Zakaah, not a single person will die of hunger.
D. "Wealth does not circulate only amongst the wealthy and the rich"
Al-Qur'an 59:7

E. I Peter 4:8

4. Saum - Fasting
A. Description – one lunar month i.e. during the month of Ramadaan every lunar year, Muslims fast, i.e. abstain from food and drinks from sunrise till sunset.
B. Benefits: learn self restraint. If you can control your hunger you can control almost all your desires. It enhances spiritual awareness.
Al-Qur'an 2:183

C. Medical Benefits:
(a) Increases absorption capacity of intestines
(b) Lowers cholestrol.


D. Discourages smoking, alcoholism and other addictions.
E. Bible prescribes Fasting
Mathew 17:21
Mark 9:29

5. Hajj

A. Description – Pilgrimage atleast once in life time if you can afford it
B. Universal Brotherhood – 2.5 million people from all over the world gather, wear two pieces of unsewn cloth, preferably white. Cannot differentiate between rich and poor.
Al-Qur'an 49:13

C. Significance of Kaaba – Muslims don’t worship it
Psalms 84:4-7

III ) ISLAM IS A COMPLETE WAY OF LIFE
These five pillars do not constitute complete Islam. Only if the pillars are strong, will the structure be strong.

1. Humans Created to Worship Allah
A. Jinn and Man created for worship of Allah
Al-Qur'an 51:56

B. Meaning of Ibadaah – root word Abd meaning ‘slave’.

2. Obeying Commandments of Allah is Submitting your will to Allah

A. Abstaining from alcohol

Al-Qur'an 5:90
Proverbs 20:1
Ephesians 5:18

B. Abstaining from prohibited food
Al-Qur'an 5:5
Al-Qur'an 2:173, 5:3, 6:145, 16:115

(i) Dead meat
Leviticus 17:15
Deuteronomy 14:21

(ii) Blood
Genesis 9:4, Leviticus 17:14, Deuteronomy 12:16,
I Samuel 14:33, Acts 15:29

(iii) Pork is prohibited
Leviticus 11:7-8
Deuteronomy 14:8
Isaiah 65:2-5

(vi) Food on which names beside Allah have been invoked
Acts 15:29; Revelation 2:14

C. (i) Being Honest in your Business
(ii) Helping Neighbours
Al-Qur'an 107:1-7
(iii) Abstaining from Backbiting
Al-Qur'an 104:1-3
Al-Qur'an 49:11-12

(iv) Obeying and Respecting Parents
Al-Qur'an 17:23, 24

(v) Celibacy or Monasticism is prohibited in Islam
Sahih Bukhari: Vol. 7 Book of Nikah, Chapter No. 3, Hadith No. 4

(vi) Loving, being Kind and Just to your Wife
Al-Qur'an 4:19

(vii) Abstaining from Adultery
Al-Qur'an 17:32

D. Dressing Modestly
(i) Al-Qur'an 24:30
Mathew 5:27-28

(ii) Al-Qur'an 24:31
(iii) Six Criteria for Hijab in Islam
Deuteronomy 22:5
I Timothy 2:9 e.g. of Mary
I Corinthians 11:5-6

E. Circumcision
Acts 7:8
John 7:22
Luke 2:21


F. In short, every Muslim should follow all the Commandments of Allah (swt) and His Messenger Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and abstain from the things they have prohibited.


CONCLUSION
(a) If Christian is a person who follows the teachings of Christ (pbuh) and not one who worships Christ (pbuh). (We are more Christian than the Christians themselves).
(b) Muslim is a person who submits his will to Allah.
Jesus (pbuh) said, "not my will but thy will be done." i.e. Muslim.
John 5:30
(c) Al-Qur'an 5:82
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ilordvaderposted 13 years ago
PROPHET MUHAMMAD (pbuh) IN THE BIBLE

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the Old Testament:

The Qur’an mentions in Surah Al-Araf chapter 7 verse 157:

"Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the Gospel".

1. MUHAMMAD (PBUH) PROPHESISED IN THE BOOK OF DEUTERONOMY:

Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18:

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

The Christians say that this prophecy refers to Jesus (pbuh) because Jesus (pbuh) was like Moses (pbuh). Moses (pbuh) was a Jew, as well as Jesus (pbuh) was a Jew. Moses (pbuh) was a Prophet and Jesus (pbuh) was also a Prophet.

If these two are the only criteria for this prophecy to be fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible who came after
Moses (pbuh) such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc. (pbut) will
fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well as prophets.

However, it is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who is like Moses (pbuh):

i) Both had a father and a mother, while Jesus (pbuh) was born miraculously without any male intervention.

[Mathew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 and also Al-Qur'an 3:42-47]

ii) Both were married and had children. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not marry nor had children.

iii) Both died natural deaths. Jesus (pbuh) has been raised up alive. (4:157-158)

Muhammad (pbuh) is from among the brethren of Moses (pbuh). Arabs are brethren of Jews. Abraham (pbuh) had two sons: Ishmail and Isaac (pbut). The Arabs are the descendants of Ishmail (pbuh) and the Jews are the descendants of Isaac (pbuh).

Words in the mouth:

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was unlettered and whatever revelations he received from Almighty God he repeated them verbatim.

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

[Deuteronomy 18:18]

iv) Both besides being Prophets were also kings i.e. they could inflict capital punishment. Jesus (pbuh) said, "My kingdom is not of this world." (John 18:36).

v) Both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their lifetime but Jesus (pbuh) was rejected by his
people. John chapter 1 verse 11 states, "He came unto his own, but his own received him not."

iv) Both brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not bring any new laws. (Mathew 5:17-18).

2. It is Mentioned in the book of Deuteronomy chapter 18:19

"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not harken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."

3. Muhammad (pbuh) is prophesised in the book of Isaiah:

It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:

"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."

When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "I am not learned".

4. prophet Muhammad (pbuh) mentioned by name in the old testament:

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

"Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."

"His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters
of Jerusalem."

In the Hebrew language im is added for respect. Similarely im is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad
(pbuh) to make it Muhammadim. In English translation they have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as "altogether lovely", but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is yet present.

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the New Testament:

Al-Qur'an Chapter 61 Verse 6:

"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, 'O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.' But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, 'This is evident sorcery!' "

All the prophecies mentioned in the Old Testament regarding Muhammad (pbuh) besides applying to the Jews also hold good for the Christians.

1. John chapter 14 verse 16:
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."

2. Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:

"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which
proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."

3. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:

"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not
come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

"Ahmed" or "Muhammad" meaning "the one who praises" or "the praised one" is almost the translation of the
Greek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word 'Comforter' is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.
Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even the
Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures.

Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise
that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the
Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet
Muhammad (pbuh).

4. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:

"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is
come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".

The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

NOTE: All quotations of the Bible are taken from the King James Version.
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
Same books, not a sign of agreement, and each is 100% sure they are 100% right. A psychological nightmare!
Thousands of books, hundreds of gods and you can't even agree on who god is? You are hilarious!
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  OH GOD !!!
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  How in (their) hell could they be in a position to make god threats against non believers, when they can't agree on who's making the threats?
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Too much copying and pasting, they got their brains glued
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I witnessed no brain use! Never saw a sign of one in use.
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  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Its Harry Potter, Harry Potter is god.... JK Rowling has told me to 'propogate'. I havent read the books yet, but expect threads full of quotes and misinterpretations when I do
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
Maybe a bit, but Bin Laden with lipstick is a bit of a broad brush!
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
Who gives a rats what your non deity is supposed to be called? Petty stuff indeed. Not something a god would worry about, unless you mean the little neurotic one who is supposed to be the author of both your religious tomes.
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  video lostposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Clearly, you have some link with DARK AGES
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
No, I have a link to some things you do not understand. Logic and common sense.
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imadorkposted 13 years ago
Who cares?
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  \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  maybe Allah does
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praisejoeposted 13 years ago
Well, Allah is the Arabic name for GOD.
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  imadorkposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Duh!
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  video lostposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ALLAH, This name is also in Bibles and is considered one of the best names unique to God
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There is no best or worst name for god.Who makes these rules - only a fanatic can be so stupid.
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
Is this ullah speaking?

Sura 5:51: “O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you that turns to them for friendship is of them.” This friendship makes any Muslim a enemy of their own and deserving of the same fate as the unbeliever. This is because God does not guide an unjust people.

Nice guy!
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  This is not possibly the words of Muhammad but of someone who has added to the Holy Quran for his personal greed or power.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  OK Mohit, but having read and studied it extensively , how many of these sort of statements are in the quoran?
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree there is too much of stuff in the Holy Quran and the Holy Bible but I don't believe these were the words of the prophet but of their followers who didn't know god for themselves .
  
  God writes or works through the prophets and he is no maniac.I know god and he loves each and every person and soul just too much .For god all the prophets are equal and no religion is greater or lesser than the other but are all paths that lead to him.Prophets represent the Light which can never be whole without every single soul.
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glendoncabaposted 13 years ago
The religion forum is fast becoming a place of hate, sarcasm, and drivel. Maybe they should remove it. It could have been a place of dialogue with moderators. HP could not afford to pay mods so the religion forum is simply a place that promotes hate and is dominated by the atheists and new agers.

Any theist who comes here is quickly shot down by the same arguments, for the truth is that God cannot be proven by arguments but by living testimony and faith.

This new Muslim guy has a lot to offer but he too will soon be scared off by the disrespect and intolerance.

No wonder we had 9/11. Intolerance breeds resentment.

Religion and politics will flare passion but why is this forum so full of disrespect. Is there an agenda to scare believers?

Nobody has all the answers so we might as well admit that we need to dialogue in peace.

I mean, we all want to convert others to our beliefs, but not with the sword or with sarcasm; we ought to try love and reason. Atheists and religionists! It is difficult, I know. But eye for an eye leave the whole world blind.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Go ahead an convert to Islam since you believe in his philosophy that Muhammad is the greatest prophet and Islam the greatest religion.
  Converting will not help one find god, meditation will.
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  glendoncabaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I do not believe in his philosophy but I believe in his right to be heard, just like I believe in yours. In fact Mohit you are one of the few polite persons in this forum, so don't defend the disgusting intolerance that I am venting against.
  
  It is unfortunate that my post arrives in the middle of a fairly civil interchange between you and others. But just read the sick attitude on this thread and you will see why I feel that I have had enough of the intolerance.
  
  Stop making fun of people's religion. Whatever that religion is, these are cultural values held dear. Be a good anthropologist, at least.
  
  No one has all the answers to all the universal questions. We can all benefit from dialogue.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why does it bother you that people make fun of your religion?
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  glendoncabaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Read the same sentence you have quoted. Respect for our common humanity is assumed in the same sentence.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I would bring your attention to the complete lack of respect for our common humanity and often human rights, like freedom of speech these cultures show for those who disagree with their religions.
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  turgumanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  why u always say science say can`t see god no god ?!
  this is not science at all , most scientific facts were based on the effect, first you get the effect then you suppose a planet here or a partical there that made some effect to another, have you ever seen a magnetic field , NO ! , so can u say it doesn`t exist! you see the effect & assume that some force made that effect , how could you make so sure that there is no god & no second life ,forget about scripts, your claim is against uncertainity of science ! science leads to faith that this harmony is made by some force
  anyway claim your self a scientist or a god , but don`t forget that there is one day all answers will be revealed if i were wrong i have nothing to lose but if you were wrong you are the one who is gonna have the big surprise ! and more than just a surprise !
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  turgumanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  human rights always talk about it but never show us some !
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  This is the problem with making assumptions. What has the fact that we are both from the same species got to do with your irrational beliefs?
  
  I respect that we are from the same species - there you go. Happy now?
  
  But - I laugh at your ridiculous beliefs and indeed do wonder if we are from the same species when I hear them.
  
  I wonder why you assume I should respect them? They are clearly irrational, cause conflict and hatred wherever they are spread and have no basis in reality. Just exactly why should I respect them?
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  turgumanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  in fact your words is the real cause of hatred !
  so explain for us where is conflict or hatred in this
  if you mean hatred to imperialism yes we do
  
  60:8 (Y. Ali- translation) Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just. 60:9 Allah only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong.
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  glendoncabaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Your militant atheism is part of a well understood phenomenon, personally I find it disrespectful. Even if I were an atheist.
  
  anyway this is hardly the thread for the following but i will share it with you from a Jamaican journalist Ian Boyne:
  
  "The Bible unvarnished shows a vengeful, genocidal and cruel God - not someone worthy of worship. This is what the aggressive polemic of the atheists is asserting. These books and articles - as well as views expressed on the electronic media - have been gaining a popular audience and are causing some to deconvert from Christianity.
  
  Many unthinking and 'faith-full' Christians, of course, just dismiss the questions and issues as being part of the plot of Satan to cast doubt on God's Word and to deceive people in these last days. Their faith allows them to believe anything, no matter how absurd or grotesque.
  
  But for some people, who are no longer tied to the institutional church, the questions are popping up and the pastors and evangelists are not able to answer them convincingly.
  
  Questions for secularists
  
  But the secularists have questions to answer, too. Let us assume that the Bible and the whole Judeo-Christian religion has been based on a myth, and a dangerous one at that. With what shall we replace it, and what will give the legitimacy which the Judeo-Christian culture commanded?
  
  If we use majoritarian opinion as a guide to right and wrong, then what if the masses, ruled by their 'untrained emotions', want hanging for certain crimes and legislation against homosexuality? Would the enlightened European elite say that that would be ok as morality is now grounded by what the majority believes?
  
  Or should the secular, sophisticated elite be given a 'divine right', as it were, to decide ethical issues and to pressure democratically elected governments in the developing world to decriminalise homosexuality (for it is now deemed a human rights issue) and to abolish all laws granting capital punishment?
  
  What if the majority in certain African societies want to continue to practise female circumcision, on what basis would anyone decide that that is wrong and should not be allowed?
  
  If people in certain cultures want to practise child-bride customs, legislate arranged marriages or to decide that thieves should have their hands cut off, who is going to decide that ethically that is wrong?
  
  Who has the right to replace the God whom Christopher Hitchens has deemed not great?
  
  If we leave individuals to their individual tastes and desires, then that is anarchy. If a philosophy is not at least workable, then it is of no use.
  
  If God is really dead, the atheists and agnostics had better not tell everybody about it. For their own sake, too, for they might never know what their neighbours will do to them.
  
  What do the atheist men feel about their wives sleeping around on them?
  
  They can't talk about that being against "the law of commitment", for their wives can give all kinds of reasons as to why enjoying the sack with other men could even help improve their marriage.
  
  Their business clients might decide to lie to them because it suits those clients. Why not? Why says lying is always wrong and by whose objective standards?
  
  People refer to secular democracies like Japan and to the European states as shining examples of secular states functioning well. Their crime rates and levels of anti-social behaviour are quite low. But atheists who make this point forget that these societies have been heavily influenced by their religious heritage and long after a society ceases to be actively religious, it still parasitically lives off its religious heritage.
  
  Many of the assumptions made about everyday ethical issues still have deep religious philosophical roots. So Japan, Hong Kong and Europe do not provide a decisive defeater to the view that moral anarchy would result from the adoption of a totally secularist perspective."
  
  Here is full article:
  http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/ … ocus5.html
  
  Food for thought eh?
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I know what you mean but there are some fanatics who are only spreading hate or rather a wrong message and not god message of onessnes.-Peace glendoncaba I should not have aimed this at you- sorry Your intentions are correct.
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
and how may i ask, does one have a sensible discourse with someone who has damned you to hell?
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ilordvaderposted 13 years ago
Gospel of saint john - Chapter 16 Verse 7 & 8

http://www.prayerlist.com/holy_bible.cgi?***Joh*16**

Who do you think Jesus(Peace be upon him) is talking about ?
Who will come ?
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  glendoncabaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Holy Spirit. Read Acts on Pentecost.
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
More like this.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:0Th2 … _allah.jpg
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
And here is one of the practices of fundamentalist muslims.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:Mydj … -bride.jpg
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ilordvaderposted 13 years ago
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se … ersion=NIV
Matthew 27:46

Matthew 27:46 (New International Version)

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About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi,[a] lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"[b]

Why would Jesus if hes God say this ?
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Schizophrenia?
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe there's a higher god you don't know about
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  Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Since I was a child I thought that hanging on those nails must have seemed like an eternity and this was his way of saying daddy have you forgotten me. come get me now please. Don't leave me here. I always felt like Jesus is God kinda like my arm is me
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Even the greatest of prophets do not know god plan in totality.They are in tune with god and work for him but do not have all knowledge.
  This is why Islam doesn't equate even the prophets with God.
  
  God as man is limited and the three stages are man - god man and the god on death.
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  video lostposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It seems you are very much impressed by DARK AGES, CRUSADERS and CHANKIYA
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Buddy my work is ranked over the Holy Quran ,try to understand I am not some evil person but someone who works for god like the Prophet Muhammad did.
  Allah works though me .
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Jeramiposted 13 years ago
Actually it is more like kinda like my mouth is me. Jesus is the word of God
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ilordvaderposted 13 years ago
Was the Quran copied from the Bible ?

Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npRKg735 … mp;index=2

Part 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbVeCC7Hu4A
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  video lostposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, it was not copied from the bible
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The spiritual depth and truth is the same in all holy books.
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ilordvaderposted 13 years ago
No more Qs Brothers
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