On a rather consistent basis in this forum, posts pop up in which hubbers express how ridiculous they think the religion forum is because of all the back-and-forth arguing that takes place here. These hubbers chime in on an argument just to say that the arguers are stupid for arguing, and to interject their own opinion that hubbers ought to keep their beliefs to themselves, etc. etc. These are the same hubbers that claim that they themselves stay away from the religion forum because it's a waste of time!!
Arguing and debating is a good thing. Browsing through all the threads and posts on this forum, you will find that a great majority of the posts express some kind of disagreement. Even the hubbers I mentioned above are expressing their opposing views. This forum is clear evidence that people like to debate! Debate stimulates a part of our minds that nothing else stimulates. Some of us have a need to question the opposite side, receive a response, question again, and continue on until satisfied, or until the subject is dead. This kind of activity is healthy and natural. It sharpens our perceptions of ourselves and the social world in which we live.
There would be no such thing as religion if everyone in the world believed the same thing. There would be no need to label any belief system with a name or call it "the truth." When a person expresses their religious views, they are essentially expressing their identity as it can be distinguished from all those whose beliefs differ from theirs. If no belief differed from theirs, there would be no need to express their belief. It would just be understood, like the air we all breath. In this way, debate is integral to religious expression.
In short. If you don't like the arguing that goes on here, then stop involving yourself in it. There are plenty of other forums and threads where you can spend your time. As for me, I like to debate, and I like to talk to other hubbers who like to debate. When you come to this forum only to express that it is a waste of time, you make an idiot out of yourself.
i happen to agree with you fairbear. it seems to me if you don't like something, the best thing to do is ignore it. there are some topics i never even bother reading because i know they will either be uninteresting to me or annoy me. i certainly won't tell my fellow hubbers what to do.
Does this mean all the idiots who do that will now go away?
as they are idiots they wouldn't know he is talking about them
I'm okay with disagreements on the religious forum, so long as it is a debate and not just people sticking jabs at each other.
Argue the topic at hand or admit you just came to bop someone in the head ... Fact is, I'm willing to listen to any point of view, regardless of how much it differs from my own, but I'm not willing to be told I need to read more or that I am wrong to have the beliefs I chose to have.
Please note, it's okay for someone to tell me that what I believe in is wrong, but I won't accept anyone telling me I am wrong to believe as I chose. The difference is simple ... allow me to believe what I want and I will allow you to do the same.
So, I too invite lively debate, so long as it doesn't fall off into the kind of drivel where one person demands they are right and everyone else must be wrong because their beliefs are different.
They say 'an eye for an eye', and I say 'respect received will be given'
I allow you to believe what you want. Then....What else is there to say ?
I know of One Person who can say "the rest of you are wrong" and He has often told them what to believe, but they will not.
hehe ... trance boy came to play did he?
Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberry!
and now we return you to your previous thread! dada!
Yep, I saw this and thought, I wonder if this will work or not? I will have something to say here at some point no doubt.
"My way or the highway" is common on all religious forums.
Fairbear, I just realized you haven't written any hubs, whose alter ego are you?
I hate the religion forum. I am all for everyone following there own god or gods or no gods at all-whatever. What I hate is coming onto the forums and seeing about 5-10 religion topics on the front page that just seem pointless to me because no one would ever win because you can't change a followers mind who has been believing in the same thing for years!
Some people are truly religious nuts, I know. They live, breathe, and Hub for their respected lord. And then theirs the people who go to church on Sundays and feel the need to tell people how to live. Then there's the people who believe in god but don't actively go to church.
What do the atheists think?
I am thinking a great feature for logged in Hubbers is the option to add or subtract whatever forum topics they want from the main thread.
Guilty, I've said coming here was a waste of time before but I was wrong time is what you make of it. Admittedly if you don't have thick skin the forums may not be the best place to come. However if you use the forums as a place to explore new ideas and flesh them out before writing then good for you. Debate is part of humans. Some will always disagree and call you a butt head or even worse an idiot. If you are easily influenced by others once again I would caution you to stay away. As for me, I'll admit I just think its entertaining to watch people argue their cause, sometimes I even learn a thing or two and go back and look something up.
Doesn't the problem come from the debaters, themselves? Normally, the name-calling and mud-slinging comes from those who are involved in the debate. Am I missing something?
Some good, strong, rational thoughts here.
Being provoked to argue is not about destroying another person. It's about causing them to rethink their position and looking at a different perspective which may lead to new personal truths.
In that regard, I find the religion forums irresistable, as apparently so many others of us do, too. I certainly don't feel all alone in my thoughts about religion here! LOL
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