Why do atheists spend so much time here?
Why, if you don't believe that something even exists would you waste your time in these threads?
And don't tell me that it's because we are spreading lies. We aren't in "other" forums talking about God and Christ Jesus. We are in a forum designated to what we believe.
To "spread" something, we would have to go beyond our category to impress on others. Anyone can read the forum titles just fine. (Or you would think at least)
And yet, you don't believe, and are consciously by choice going into a forum of a subject that you don't believe in nor care to discuss, but simply demean.
Ah yes, we can't "see" God. But we tell you that's the point, and that you don't have to believe.
But you choose to come, and then call us liars and tell us we are irrational.
Then don't come, just like all the other "rational" people who don't like Christianity done when they very clearly read the title...
Please explain your "mission"...
It's not a waste of time, then it isn't your time. You do what you want to do with your time and others will do what they want with their time. You are not of any authority, that which, requires anyone to explain themselves to, because YOU cannot nor have any power, to hold others accountable.
A lie is a lie. It's a shame you cannot see that.
And, you fail to realize it is a public forum. Not private to just religious. Got it?
A prime example that you don't understand more than you realize.
Spreading is you opening your mouth about your belief and claiming it has authority over others. When the TRUTH of the matter is what you believe is for you alone.
Demean? Is your subjective view and nothing surprising that it would be skewed toward the negative. Do you know why you do that? I do, but I'm willing to bet that you don't. (btw- don't ask, because it's on a need to know basis and YOU don't need to know- I'll leave you to figure it out)
Yes, I choose to come and make sure that lies that are told are dismissed. Any irrational statement must be handled with rationality(sane thoughts).
Awww...sounds like someone should get out of the kitchen if they cannot take the heat. Yes, many rational people don't bother coming to the forum to talk about religion or their beliefs.
That's their choice to not come. And it's a choice to do so. Both, you have no authority over, so deal with it.
My mission is a path to peace. Something you won't know anything about. And, if you think you do- then please do tell me the common fundamental ground(foundation) for peace to come to be. If you don't know, just admit it."Awww...sounds like someone should get out of the kitchen if they cannot take the heat."
"My mission is a path to peace."
Wonderful how you compare heat with peace.. Very rational...
Of course not, but you do believe that something exists and your beliefs cause conflict.
We aren't in other forums talking about gods, either. What's your point?
Which is exactly what your religion teaches you to do, go beyond respecting others to spread your message.
If your religion didn't cause any conflict, there would be no need to discuss it.
But, you do claim to see gods and you do believe, hence the problem with conflict, again.
It has been demonstrated many times with many believers here that they are lying are irrational. Those are facts.
The attempt to save mankind from religions, of course."Of course not, but you do believe that something exists and your beliefs cause conflict."
It takes two to tango, and I never challenged your belief.
You are challenging mine, hence you are starting the conflict simply because I state "I believe in Jesus Christ."
I'm not telling you what to believe. You're telling me what to believe.
I'm just telling what I believe.
"It has been demonstrated many times with many believers here that they are lying are irrational. Those are facts."
I do believe you lied about Marconi, whether it be out of ignorance or not, it was a lie. Need me to quote?
"The attempt to save mankind from religions, of course."
Another admission to shoving ideas down other people's throats. Wonderful.sound of the buzzer
we do not take our beliefs to YOU.
YOU come to our beliefs (which wouldn't be so bad if you did something else other than moan and groan)
When you come to our beliefs we are not spreading the gospel anywhere. YOU are impugning YOUR beliefs UPON US, just by the intractable fact that you are here with the attitude, not to learn, not even curious, just to demean. So to coin an term, YOU are calling the kettle black, which creates intrusion (which you are, public forum or not - remember YOU impugn yourself UPON US).
We also cannot be shoving OUR ideas down peoples throats. First off i don't believe people in general are insipid enough to storm into a room and announce with a loud voice, "YOU people are shoving your opinions down my throat", when nobody but yourself pushed you into the room.
truly hilarious! I cannot grasp how you string thoughts together.
Let me put this clearly and i hope this clears up another of your dilemmas..... I'll parallel this as close as i can to hubpages forums so you maybe will grasp the meaning... beware!!! context is included
There is a meeting going on over there behind that door. There is a sign on the door says "public meeting". So in you go, and after having listened to the opinions of a few you stand up and say, "look i have a right to be here, the sign said public, so here i am and i think you people are shoving your ideas down my throat". ribald stuff
"My mission is to better humanity by means of abolishing superstitious beliefs."
Wonderful. We have another to admit that they want to control other people's thoughts.
"Would you demean the beliefs of the KKK?"
Don't be ridiculous. We don't hang people because of their skin color.
"This is a public forum on a public site. It is not a religious site. Go to a christian site if you wish."
No one cares if you're here. I care that you intend nothing more than to impress your opinion on others, and shove things down Christian people's throats.Do you want me to compare you to Hitler? He wanted to abolish religion as well..
Hitler was a religionist. Read his history.
But you try to say Hitler was a Christian?
He clearly was not!
As for the choir boy thing ,means nothing ,even Satan goes to church
If youre going to attack Christ ,it would be good to get some spiritual facts straight.He clearly was. Read his history.
- Yes he was, and also used religion as a weapon when he felt it would further his agenda.
"Hitler was a religionist. Read his history."
"Yes he was, and also used religion as a weapon when he felt it would further his agenda."
So therefore you were lying, because he didn't actually believe in the religion he was abusing for leverage and you knew that.
Which means he wasn't a religionist at all... Just someone that twisted religion to suit his madness..
"Hitler was a religionist. Read his history."
Speaking of lies...
"His private statements, as reported by his intimates, show Hitler as critical of traditional Christianity, considering it a religion fit only for slaves; he admired the power of Rome but had severe hostility towards its teaching.[326] Here Hitler's attack on Catholicism "resonated Streicher's contention that the Catholic establishment was allying itself with the Jews."[327] In light of these private statements, for John S. Conway and many other historians it is beyond doubt that Hitler held a "fundamental antagonism" towards the Christian churches.[328] The various accounts of Hitler's private statements vary strongly in their reliability; most importantly, Hermann Rauschning's Hitler speaks is considered by most historians to be an invention.[329][330]
In the political relations with the churches in Germany however, Hitler readily adopted a strategy "that suited his immediate political purposes".[328] Hitler had a general plan, even before the rise of the Nazis to power, to destroy Christianity within the Reich.[331][332][333] The leader of the Hitler Youth stated "the destruction of Christianity was explicitly recognized as a purpose of the National Socialist movement" from the start, but "considerations of expedience made it impossible" publicly to express this extreme position.[331] His intention was to wait until the war was over to destroy the influence of Christianity."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler
My my my... All the lies lies lies...
You want me to tell you that I don't agree with killing people because they have a different color skin?
And that I don't agree with putting separate bathrooms, and water fountains, and schools because people have different colored skin?
And that I don't agree with unloving acts against all which Christ Jesus taught?
No, I absolutely don't agree with any of that..
"if your over 35 then all through school you were exposed to religion whether you wanted to be or not."
Don't push yourself into a corner..
If your under 25 you've never heard anything but "evolution, evolution, evolution."
"perhaps it is also because if a person is not shown any better, then how are they going to realise that god is nothing but a figment of some peoples minds."
Like I said, we welcome your opinion. Thank you..
"perhaps one of the reasons that religious people are bothered by athiests being in on the religious threads is that we make too much sense but due to the teachings of religion, religious people are afraid that god is a hoax and that when you die, it's over. no life after death, no heaven with all it's glory, etc., PERHAPS."
Don't be ridiculous. I've been over the "logic" thing in this thread and others. We obviously all don't walk in the same shoes.
Some people don't believe in ghosts, some do. Why?? Because of personal experience. We don't care about your "sense" because through what has happened to me, your idea makes absolutely no sense at all.
Your science makes absolutely no sense either, and they claim all sorts of things.
But the fact remains science is a puzzle that isn't even close to being solved, hence the reason I think it's ridiculous to try to base your understanding of life on it.
I guess you know what the picture looks like in a thousand piece puzzle with only 25 pieces connected.
And I don't fear death. I think it's irrational to think something as amazing as life could come into being, just to vanish again. All of existence doesn't exist for NOTHING. That would be absurd...
No. I believe in God because it makes perfect sense as we are designed intelligently just like very invention in this world was. A TV's intelligent design did not come about by itself just because it works, or new stations with better picture quality show up...
Your "sense" doesn't make sense because you don't have answers to any questions. You just deny things just because you can't see them with your beady little eyes..
DS...
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* Religion and Philosophy
* Christianity, the Bible and Jesus
* Why do atheists spend so much time here?
And I still don't mind them being in any forum. I mind them choosing to come into forums knowing what "I" believe trying to tell me to hush.
I'm not attempting to silence them. Why should I not have a voice?
I have a brain. I choose to believe something. I'm allowed to tell people what "I" believe. And what the Bible says as well, considering this IS under "* Christianity, the Bible and Jesus".
I don't start conflicts. People telling me what "I" should believe is what starts conflicts.I can go with that partly DS..
I do personally believe the things I say as absolute truths.
Just as everyone comes to what they believe is true because they think it is an absolute truth, or they either believe you make truth.
I can say that "I" believe it is an absolute truth.
The "I" is the personal part. I don't intend to make anyone believe something they choose not to. I may have pressed too hard in the past, but it was never my intention to make anyone do anything.
I personally believe they are factual truths. Other's can disagree as they have their own personal belief of factual truth.
So I agree that it is my personal belief, but if I were to say I believe it only applies to me.. Well, then I really would be a liar wouldn't I?
But I agree that the things which I believe are factual, are MY beliefs.
Hey Vector..I felt compelled to respond to this. Because you said that same thing to me once. I think we all come into the forum and look at all of the topics under the primary heading. It looks like you think everyone should click on the subcategories. I doubt you do that, or anyone else either.
You're going to wear yourself thin trying to argue this crazy stand. I only say this because I watched a guy run around a thread trying to disprove god about a month ago. It gets ugly. You should stop while you're behind.Vector. Yes, I see this.. You are unique..most of that was just a joke, making light of this whole thing.. And it appears you've taken offense.
Wait..I take it back. It seems everyone here wants to feel persecuted. So it appears you are more like others than you believe yourself to be.Vector, you really really need to lighten up. I have never advocated that anyone should not state their mind.And I think you know this. If I find a post reflects a brutish mentality, I will respond. I have never seen your posts come off that way and, quite frankly, I was surprised you stepped up in support of him.
Anyway, I'm on a droid right now. I can't see the rest of your post. If I somehow gave you the impression that I thought you had no right to speak, you misunderstood my intent. I have already said I was going to stop offering apologies. No one else does, no matter the need. So, if you were offended, get over it.
You seem to be overlooking the problem I'm attempting to point out...
"So - It is not worth trying to stop it?"
-Mark Knowles
Notice anything?
That is not just his opinion. That is him trying to "stop" us from posting ours.
He doesn't want to just state what he thinks.
He wants harass us because he doesn't want us to post our opinion..
They are welcome to speak their minds.
The childish repetition, name calling, and attempts to "stop" us from stating anything we think is what we don't particularly welcome.Sorry you don't think it is a good idea to try and stop the conflicts.
Quote me out of context in order to make it look as though I said something I did not again. I love it when Christians demonstrate their "moral code."
No wonder your religion has caused so many conflicts.
It would also be impossible.
The only thing that gets exposed here is the gullibility of the terminally religious.and the insanity behind the atheism
The word you wanted was reality.
actually no.
In the face of the bible, reality takes a second seat to the one who created the reality. This is displayed frequently. Even the future is predictable to God.
the waves and wind stop at Gods whim. How can they? Do they have ears or an intellect to control their own actions? No. So God must work at a molecular level, which is where everything is created from.
therefore do i say, that to believe only in reality is limited thinking and to put reality as being above God or in place of God, in my opinion, is insanity.
no buzzer cuz im feelin all lovey doveyAre you implying that god attacked Japan?
...i'm over here...i'm waiting too....
this is the response i get.
Am i implying that God attacked japan
I have less and less regard for your ability to comprehend with every post from you.
answer: nope.
"You are lying, again. Marconi was never locked up for inventing wireless radio telegraph."
-Beelzedad
"It may interest you to know that Marconi's "friends" had him taken
into custody, and examined in a psychopathic hospital, when he announced he had discovered a principle through which he could send messages through the air, without the aid of wires, or other direct physical means of communication. The dreamers of today fare better."
- Napoleon Hill
THINK and GROW RICH
Yes. Please do claim things don't exist because you cannot see them at the present time.
For they did not have tools for radio waves then, and prior to radios thought it ridiculous to consider transfer of information through the air.
But now, we see how ridiculous it was to consider that just because we couldn't [past tense] see something, doesn't mean we won't [future tense] see something...
And stop lying and then calling me the liar...Ah, so Marconi was NOT locked up as you originally claimed. So, you did lie.
Of course, your quote comes from one book and is not substantiated anywhere else.
But, the fact is you did lie.
Radio waves obviously have a measurable and tangible effect, whether we can see them or not. Of course, you dishonestly use this as a support your irrational beliefs.
The evidence of your lies is in many of your posts, and they have been exposed one by one.
"Even more funnier stuff" is not correct grammar. I would expect better from the Almighty.
"...opposing views to their own are a danger to world."
The opposing view is not the issue, nor is it a danger.
The way it is gone about is, as I just tell what I believe, while they tell me what to believe.
Notice the difference?
- just_curiousposted 13 years ago
0Vector, shame on you. Everyone has a right to be here and, think about it. How much fun would you be having without the atheist presence? Who would you call beelzebub? Who would you warn of hell? Think of all the scripture you wouldn't have the opportunity to post. You love us. That's what you said anyway.
"Everyone has a right to be here..."
Good point, just like I have rights to believe things without being demeaned because I state so. Right?
"You love us. That's what you said anyway."
I do love you, not the constant accusations though.Well, I agree that no one should feel demeaned. That being said; you made a comment that one of the christians on another thread calling non believers heathens wasn't harsh. I think the comments were demeaning. The point being, it appears everyone does it and feels justified when that do, and receive support for doing it. I'm afraid it may simply be you're feeling demeaned when, maybe, that isn't what an atheist thinks is happening.
And, you have to admit, telling people they are headed for hell is an accusation that you think they've done something wrong. Again, a different point of view; which you feel justified in having.
It's all relative."Telling people they are headed for hell is an accusation that you think they've done something wrong."
Yes but I don't chase them around telling them.. 'Your going to Hell.' ... 'Your going to Hell.' .... 'Your going to Hell.'
Post a scripture that I believe is true on a forum dealing with "The Bible" means "I" believe it.
If they don't think it's true, then how can they be threatened?
That's like saying I believe I'm not going to exist when I die just because they believe God doesn't exist.
I'm not threatened because of what they think, and I don't tell them not to think God doesn't exist.
"That being said; you made a comment that one of the christians on another thread calling non believers heathens wasn't harsh."
No I most certainly didn't. And those are the accusations I don't like. You didn't even quote him about it like I asked.
The explanation is simple, as the definition is someone who doesn't acknowledge the God of the Bible. They don't acknowledge the God of the Bible.
That's like saying it's offensive to call me white when I am white.Ok. I looked. you are right. You said you didn't think it was a hateful mentality to refer to non believers as heathens. Since the definition can mean an uncivilized person, I think it's hateful.
As to the rest. It is simply something you will have to deal with. Stop being so negative. You have an opportunity to profess and defend your faith. They are arguing what they know to be true. We all have a chance to share our views. Everybody wins.
Besides. It's the christian thing to do. Many of these people don't feel comfortable sharing their thoughts in the real world. You should be kind and considerate, in the face of what you consider to be adversity.
This place would be boring without all of the voices and you know it. It would be about as interesting as the pets or relationships forums."We all have a chance to share our views."
That's exactly my point. I want to see people who believe in God be ABLE to share their views without being called names and told to hush because they are spreading lies.
Our beliefs are our beliefs. And no one has the right to tell us not to talk, just like we don't tell them to stop posting what they believe.Yes. Exactly.
Don't come if all you want to do is tell other people not to post what they think and believe.Read what you posted.
"Our beliefs are our beliefs. And no one has the right to tell us not to talk, just like we don't tell them to stop posting what they believe."
But you do don't you?
"Yet you would silence every other voice."
You should really consider reading the rest of my posts in this thread before stating obviously false claims...Vector, now that isn't fair. I cannot be expected to read everything you say. You say a WHOLE lot of things. I'd spend all day trying to keep up. I can only go by the conversations we have.
Anyway, truce? This is really silly, don't you think? I get your frustration, but I think everyone gets frustrated. Across the board. It'll pass.
Christ Jesus never hurt anyone. Nor have His teachings of love..
Don't compare your parents actions with those of Christ's and people who believe in love.
And disrespect is a very common problem with people today. I'm not saying your parents were right. I'm saying just because you don't believe in God, doesn't mean you get to tell everyone else what to do with their brains.
What don't you understand about everyone gets to have their own opinion?
You think because you can't see God you get to be dictator and push your ideas into everyone's heads?
How do you think you get to choose what you believe, but we don't get to choose what we believe?
We already know what you think. And we would love to discuss why...
But we don't get to do that because of all the false accusations like that personal junk you posted about your parents like it applies to all of humanity or something.
Debate and stop making accusations..
Its not that Atheists or Hindu's or Christians shouldnt be here ( I think)...
It is quite simply why do Atheists feel the need to chair the meeting
Sure by all means jump in wherever and add too,or refute ,or cheer on ,but every single post ,its like a watching a game of ping pong tennis
I would like to see them begin a thread or two of their own,or dont they talk to each other?-
Sorry that tickled my fancy.
So maybe you can answer this for me.
Why refute a fact you dont believe is true?
Mock a God that they say doesnt exist?
Could it really be that Atheists dont want Christians to have a voice?yah i went into the math forum and started talking geography with them
after a while they wanted me to leave and not come back
but i persisted! The door was open and the sign said PUBLIC
odd, we never agree that 2+2= north america
they are such fools in the math department
they tell me i am wrong
i won't let them silence me, I am on a mission that they cannot purport their insane math ideas!!!!
geography rules and thats that. Why? because its more realistic!
i can see land and water
i can't see math except on a chalkboard or a BOOK written by man
dem sum krazee peps
math dunnitPrimes do not exist they are just a man made idea! written by some ignorant shepherd
Yes they don't want christians to have a voice.
Kiwi, I guess they think christians should be doormats, and allow them to walk all over us.
I would love to see an atheist thread also.Just look back a little, there have been such threads here in the past.
You may even learn something.I think were done with you shoving your personal learning down our throats.
We don't live by your rules, and we are sorry you don't like it but it's not going to make us think what you want us to.
You science is irrelevant to us. That is a fact.
But keep shoving, I'm sure no one will notice...
Learn something...
Maybe learn to agree we are different and you can't force your thoughts into our brains.
There is something for you to learn.I'm speaking of the science that isn't even fully put together yet.
Millions of years this, and billions of years that..
Someone here stated humans are flawed. He is right. But you think you can measure things in millions and billions and be accurate??
Give me a break. I think we have a lot of amazing information. But we are limited.
I love science. But none of you can give me a reason for how life initially came about.
And if you do... It's a theory.. Puff it up, blow up the balloon, try to make it look good all you want. THEORY.
Just something you BELIEVE...I wasnt asking a question, I was answering one???
Sounds more like you are speaking about things in which you have little understanding.
How important is it for that kind of accuracy when you're talking about billions of years, for example, to be off by a few million or so years?
Does that lack of accuracy somehow support your argument for complete refutation of the evidence and your claims that your god exists?
Why is it always the most fervent believers are the ones say "we are limited"?
Then, you contradict yourself when you say you love science.
Then it should be no surprise based on your rationale that believing in gods waving their magic hands is no more plausible than the theories you dismiss."Then, you contradict yourself when you say you love science."
I do love science. Have you checked out the Clarifying Christianity page linked to from my page?
Scientific. Scientific. Scientific..
"Why is it always the most fervent believers are the ones say "we are limited"?"
You are limited.
Can you travel to even one single other planet in your very own galaxy?
Can you see every galaxy in existence?
Can you live on the sun?
Mankind can't even get beyond their very own earth's crust to study the mantle. It's too hot. And you think you aren't limited???
"Does that lack of accuracy somehow support your argument for complete refutation of the evidence and your claims that your god exists?"
No. It supports that you have no further indication of having all the answers than do I.
And no matter if you did, our opinions are still granted, wrote up by our founding fathers no doubt. But you don't believe in what they do I suppose either... The American thing you know? Freedom..
You state your opinion, I'll state mine.Yes, I saw that and was laughing my head off as the site tried to explain why the earth is less than 10,000 years old.
Garbage. Garbage. Garbage.
What utter ridiculous examples. Living on the sun?
No, you'll state your indoctrinated beliefs. And, you will not consider them opinions but instead the absolute truth. And, nowhere in your scriptures will it explain how to live on the sun.
I'm not particularly saying I'm an atheist, but I'd think "religion and beliefs" or "religion and philosophy" includes the beliefs and/or philosophies of people who don't believe the same things religious people believe. Religion, beliefs, and philosophies can all be either very personal matters, or else be public, social, or political matters. Either way, I don't see why people of any belief system would be excluded from discussing such subjects. (Generally, I don't discuss any of that stuff on here - but obviously, lots of other people want to and ought to if that's what they want to discuss. Diverse opinions are what make discussions/debates "dialogues" instead of "monologues". A lot of people like that.
We don't "believe" in scientific facts that need correction every week.
Need I say again.. "Faith"
You are trying to "push" .. "scientific fact" on us. You cannot prove God is not there. Never will.
You may claim evolution. But who cares, the fact still remains that doesn't mean there isn't a God even if it was possibly true...
Your telling us to stop having faith. Which is telling us what to do..
FAITHI have heaps of faith that your faith is unfounded and based on a myth.
You dont count either
J/k
See what I mean ,by wanting to chair the meeting"It's about being on the same page..."
To be on the same page you would have to tell us what to think.
You don't want us to believe what we want to. You want us to believe what YOU want us to believe.
Stop pushing your beliefs on people.... It causes conflicts.."My beliefs are my business and you have no need to know what they are."
That's not a very smart statement, as your "beliefs" are posted all over this site by you already..
That kind of thinking is what was wrong when humankind thought the earth was flat....
Goodness.and this is what you bring to the forum
better to be mocked than bored to tears
nothing new from you either
i actually have two kinds of posts, mocking and answering of course you haven't perceived the other.
"My beliefs are my business and you have no need to know what they are."
"So, if you want to, I'll give you a hint. There is no god."
Not two minutes goes by and you contradict yourself yet again...No contradiction. Your skewed view is seeing something not there.
Do you know how pathetically ridiculous that statement is?
But the collective knowledge available to humankind does. So you are wrong.
The probability doesn't even exist anymore. Get it?Collective what? lol
I get what you are trying to say ,I just dont agree with you.
Do you get thatI understand that. You choose ignorance over learning. I get it. It was one of my many reasons for writing the hub I wrote on it.
"Is It Chosen Ignorance or Lack of Knowledge"
If you are insulted, don't be. It's not meant as an insult. In some aspects, everyone is ignorant to an extent or on some level.
But, to actively choose ignorance over learning is a conscious choice, which apparently you lack understanding of the consequence, which actually isn't anything new for me, but might be new to you.
The choices you make have rippling effects throughout the world. Every interaction you have with another, sends off ripples, to all who see or hear what you say or do.
That might be too much for you to grasp, and if so, I apologize. The average person has no worldview.
Truth? Conway was yet another indoctrinated religionist. Read his history as well!
"He is now a member of the Anglican Diocese of New Westminster's Refugee Liaison Committee."
-earnesthub
Yeah. You would attempt to discredit an unbiased wiki page with more than once source..
And I'm sure Adolf's actions portray his absolute humbleness which Christ taught. He was so into loving even his enemies...Read Conway's history, then read hitler's.
There is nothing unusual about believers being violent psychopaths is there?I guess you're going to tell me he didn't murder millions of Jews?
Nonsense. I said no such a thing. I never said you denied anything.
I ASKED you. And you side stepped the question, and put words in my mouth.
I'm not using anything. I'm stating a point.
My point is that Hitler obviously does not believe in Christianity.
Christ teaches to love even your enemies. Hitler "hated" the Jews..
Therefore, he was not a believer in the religion you claim he believed in.
Simple.What sort of argument is that? A no-show entity who never wrote a word in it's supposed life said so?
The entity you put so much of your life into does not even exist. The christ story is repeated from all the other fanatical nonsense that preceded it.
What a crock!
I did not sidestep anything, you attempted to make me look like a holocaust denier, and that is disgusting.
You obviously did no research on either hitler or the religionist you support.Are you lost?
The question is not about Christ.
IT IS ABOUT HITLER CLAIMING CHRIST AND BEING RELIGIOUS OR NOT.
It doesn't matter if it's real or not. It's a RELIGION. You're off on a tangent.
The point is Hitler claimed Christianity to use and twist it's already in place power.
Then was attempting to abolish it (THE RELIGION) BECAUSE HE DIDN'T BELIEVE IN IT.
Back on track yet??
He murdered millions of Jews, which is in complete opposition to what Christ taught (in SCRIPTURE) whether anyone claims it real or not.
I didn't attempt to make you look like anything. You're doing a mighty fine job of looking distracted all by yourself..
earnest
you were a believer once.. should i think that you are a violent psychopath?
I don't think i want to read the answer to thatthings are usually better the second time around. Few humans can do anything with any measure of success the first time.
No god, no fairies, no Santa, no tooth fairy, no living gnomes or goblins.
"Believing in a god tends to absolve people from any responsibility..."
Another assumption and false accusation about the way God works and how people are held accountable.
"And there's that old chestnut about people doing wrong deeds all week then confessing on a Sunday. Absolved from crime!"
You actually think people that continue, and continue, and continue in sin have their sins forgiven over and over and over when they prove that they actually don't care???
No, it works based on the man's (or woman's) heart. Do we fail, and do wrong things? Yes.
When are we forgiven? When we ACTUALLY FEEL REMORSEFUL AND THEREBY SINCERELY DON'T WANT TO COMMIT SIN, especially the ones we are particularly guilty of.
Wonderful how we can notice from a simple assumption based on the absence of any true knowledge of what the Bible teaches, how lies and rumors are spread.
God knows who those people who commit a sin consciously thinking they will be forgiven while they enact on what they KNOW is wrong and do it anyway. They have no "remorse".
And until they change within, they will not be forgiven. NOT absolved from any crime. With no exclamation point.
That.. Is what the Bible teaches..
You trying to tell me I'm not happy now?
My life is great. I live in a world in need of love.
Which I intend to give..
Amen.
Vector, Agreed.
It was the best day of my life when I accepted Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior, and I have not regretted one day of it.
- brotheryochananposted 13 years ago0
Lets keep things in reality
and
seeing is believing - Mad Prophetposted 13 years ago0
...i just liked this one....
- zampanoposted 13 years ago0
We just want to stop the Nonsense and Conflicts. Don't you want to see peace?
Still - at least we won't convert you at the point of a sword."We just want to stop the Nonsense..."
More admissions to shoving ideas down Christian's throats.
Splendid..Just doing what you asked me to. You are treating others the way you want to be treated - right?
I wonder if any of you have actually read this majik book.
Dear me.I want in
Which version are we going to use? (I am not being funny. We all need the same one, makes for an easier discussion)
- zampanoposted 13 years ago0
Oh Brave Knight Knowles.
Thou shalt not be able to stopeth Conflictual Nonsense.
You have the Quixotesque attitude.
So - It is not worth trying to stop it?
OK - Unleash Hell!!!
Same. I have been studying religion and psychology for many many years now, yet still enjoy discussing both.
But your posts rarely include anything without a reference to a fairy or santa claus..
What's to discuss if your objective is only to dismiss it as useless?
Rendering something not useful to discuss, is not discussing it.
It is attempting to make it disappear..
Nothing confusing or doubtful about not taking myths as reality.
No such thing as an atheist anyway, the word is a religious construct.
If there was such a thing as an atheist you would certainly be one!
You deny every god except yours, so that would make you an atheist by your own values!
Another personal contradiction. You're building a reputation..
You said Hell does not exist. I can find the statements...
Respectfully. I would like it if you quit attempting to demean me.
And other Christians as well.
"but I'm not letting you spout crap about science or morality without someone to pull you up about it."
I'll give you your science. But the people who intend to tell me not to post scripture, or state my opinion can forget the notion.
You want two opposing sides? Tell that to Mark, who thinks the other side should disappear.
We talk about faith, and I did claim scientific fact as a part of my opinion. But lets face it, things can be manipulated by people quite easily.
What cannot be manipulated, is what my Bible teaches. And therefore I will admittedly stick to it only and the faith I claim in it..
There will not be any question about whether the words are from it or not, as I can quote very easily. And some even attempt to tell me not to quote the Bible. Apologies, not going to happen..
And the Law of Moses, yes is strict, but was not meant for all of time. Otherwise God would have implemented it long before Moses..
"Aside from that, I think it's important that there is a point of view added from the side of logic."
What logic? The parting of the Red Sea? Plagues against Pharaoh? Jesus healing the blind? Jesus healing the sick? Jesus calming a raging storm in an instant? Jesus walking on water? Jesus making bread multiply to feed thousands? Jesus raising the dead? Jesus Christ's resurrection from the dead???
Yes, you would need to force your logic in there to attempt to discredit the Bible. God transcends logic..
That's why Jesus said He is the light of the world. Light transcends everything in the physical realm we know of. Including time itself..
You state your opinion, and I'll state mine.
"You might also want to look into the research conduted last year where scientists created self replicating and mutating RNA strands from mere, non living chemicals."
Please ask me why I'm laughing..
I'm begggging you..
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