laws of war in islamic jihad .

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turgumanposted 15 years ago
many people asked about islam & jihad so i brought some scripts about it to let people know that islam not only was forgiving but also put the basis of modern laws of war this is not every thing there is more & more scripts but this will give the general idea about the whole thing

During his life, Muhammad gave various injunctions to his forces and adopted practices toward the conduct of war. The most important of these were summarized by Muhammad's companion, Abu Bakr, in the form of ten rules for the Muslim army:
"Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone."

These injunctions were honored by the second Caliph, Umar, during whose reign (634–644) important Muslim conquests took place. These principles were also honoured during the Crusades, as exemplified by sultans such as Saladin and al-Kamil. For example, after al-Kamil defeated the Franks during the Crusades, Oliverus Scholasticus praised the Islamic laws of war

commenting on how al-Kamil supplied the defeated Frankish army with food: "Who could doubt that such goodness, friendship and charity come from God? Men whose parents, sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, had died in agony at our hands, whose lands we took, whom we drove naked from their homes, revived us with their own food when we were dying of hunger and showered us with kindness even when we were in their power."

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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A noble person like Muhammad is bound to have noble rules.
  
  Like Krishna he married the wife's of his slain opponents in battles giving them honour.
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  aka-djposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's it, kill a man so you can "honor" his wife!
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You have gone in a different tangent just because his name is not Jesus. If his name was Jesus you would have praised his actions.
  
  Prophets have had to fight at times ,Jesus whipped the money lenders, was that fine with you?
  Obviously since his name is Jesus and you fail to see divinity anywhere else because you dont know divinity or god.
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  turgumanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  who`s wife what are you talking about ? what kind of books are you reading or who reads for you ?!
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Be nice and I may answer your question since you have difficulty in reading.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus wouldn't do that so the comparison isn't relevant. Jesus threw the money changers out of Gods temple for their disrespect. Jesus never raised a weapon of any kind for any reason as far as I know.
  
  Let me get this straight, Krishna kills his opponents then has sex with the dead mans wife and that does her honor? Oh, go stone yourself. No more hashish for you!
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There have been warrior prophets in case you have never read about them.
  The dead mans wife would have probably got raped and lived a miserable life so he married them giving them honour.
  
  Now do you get it ?
  
  Ranked over the Bible my friend , tell Jesus to stone himself before you tell me.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Look, I just thought you were cute so I was trying to be nice to see where it might go. Ok!OK! Don't stone yourself but no more hashish!
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Repeating this for you tell Jesus before you tell me. I speak the truth .
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You may be honest but many before you have not and we know how Islam feels about infedels. You are not bound to speak the truth to us and shareea law says its ok to decieve us.
  
  You want to be accepted by Jews and Christians bring us the murders among you as an act of goodwill. I can promise you if the islamic community does this you'll get alot farther with main stream America. You know who they are ,we don't, help put an end to terrorism and the possibilities are endless.
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  turgumanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i accept bring us urs too !
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I doubt seriously you'll find Christians and Jews who would strap a bomb to a woman or a child. You have no arguement, your logic is freaky wierd. Look if Islamics really believe that Jihad-nonsense then you need to get a new manual on how to be a human being. If you can figure out how to co-exist with western thought and religions you will be very succesful. The Islamics need to find their niche, where they fit in.
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  turgumanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  no bombs were straped to children , as for women you let them fight in armies isn`t it ?
  why would you need to strap bombs while you have smart bombs (that kills thousands ,how smart!!) so if it`s against occupation ,if some army occupaied my country i won`t mind to do it against occupation for my people , any american will do it against occupation ( if you were occupied ) you will call him hero , as for using such techniques against civilians plz have a look at the post i made & you will know it`s illegal & not accepted
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well i saw a young boy who was wired with a bomb at a border crossing near Gaza and was affraid and didn't want to do it. He was saved, I wonder about his family.
  
  Look Israel has more history in the region by thousands of years. They have fought and won the right to have the land called Israel and they should have kept Gaza, the West Bank and the Sinai! You can't start a war and lose badly then go to the cry-babies in Europe and America and say,"make them give it back!" That is some of the dumbest pookey I've ever heard.
  
  If you pick a fight the out come can't be win or kind-of lose but not really.
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  Strophiosposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The Native Americans have more history in the U.S. by thousands of years (and Canada, Mexico, etc.), does that mean they have the right expel us from our lands and slaughter civilians in the process of attempting to root out resistance?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Tell them to bring it!
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  Strophiosposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's not the question, the question is whether you think it's right. Perhaps I should also add that, in addition to the above, the Native Americans would be financed, aided and abetted by Russia and China.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I knew those casinos were a bad idea!
  
  Well if the arguement is that sterile I guess you have a point. Your question is only based on a portion of my statement taken out of context. Look leave the Israelies alone. They have come to the table and compromised, and compromised, and still they get slapped around. They tore down settlements on land they won in battle from attackers because world pressure forced their hand. Get past your hate for the Jews and get real.
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  Strophiosposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have no "hate for the Jews." I do, on the other hand, have significant distaste for those who commit war crimes, human rights abuses, discriminate against minorities (i.e. against Israeli Arabs), ignore international law, abuse and ignore justice and conduct campaigns of war against entire populations and states for the purpose of "counter-insurgency."
  
  P.S. It was easier and quicker to not provide specific examples/sources for each of those, but I can if you like.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You don't have to prove anything I'm old enough to have heard this all before. I see where this is going. For starters the world courts are made up of liberal moronic do-gooders. Hell they think we're criminals on one hand and I'll bet they would sing a different tune if those Russian tanks came rolling thru town on the other.
  
  I'm all for America taking an Isolationist position and tell the rest of the world you want to be PC, have fun! I don't think we should support the world court, united nations or any agreement or treaty that doesn't directly affect us in a positive manner. We have asked Israel to hold back and they have and thats a helluvalot more than we get from most of the world. Let them all do their own bidding including Israel and if they feel threatened they should handle it any way they want and I'll cheer them to the finish!
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Roger That!
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  Strophiosposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  What exactly is so terrible about doing good? I, personally, am in favor of good, particularly in opposition to evil (or right opposed to wrong, justice opposed to injustice). You, on the other hand, don't seem to be.
  
  We certainly have undertaken actions in past years which were immoral and likely criminal from an international law point of view (i.e. political assassinations, CIA backed coups, the Vietnam War, particularly the bombings of Cambodia and Laos, etc.)
  
  I'm not terribly interested in a full isolationist vs. not debate, so I think I'll leave this one well alone.
  
  But not so much when it mattered, like when it could have prevented hundreds of civilian deaths.
  
  So you both have no qualms about about war crimes and human rights abuses, as long as they don't happen here? I have serious concerns about your basic humanity.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for your concern
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  Strophiosposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, I am legitimately concerned. How can you posses no empathy with the victims, no sympathy for their plight? You cannot possibly have a fully developed moral sense nor the standard capacity for empathy afforded most humans. Your lack seems nigh-sociopathic.
  
  Or perhaps I'm being a bit too harsh. It is also possible that you have simply not considered it, that you have isolated those humane parts of you from the horrors of the outside world in order to allow your political ideals free reign, whatever the cost.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Uh huh!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, I have a real problem with people getting their heads cut off and the horror being taped for those such as youself to use in their defense. Contractors drug through the streets and hung from light posts. Strapping bombs to women and children should also get your support so you can have the complete set, hipocrasy, stupidity and cowardice. Now you can call yourself the winner you beat me into my place.
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  Strophiosposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So you argue against any standards of morality or ethics?
  
  Not so. Simply because I am attacking Israel and am standing up for the Palestinians, who are poorly represented, does not in any way mean that I agree with the terrorist actions of Hamas, although I certainly do understand them and understand that the way to make them stop is Palestinian statehood. Additionally, you can't be honestly arguing that the Israelis are well intentioned, can you? If you are, I can rather quickly disabuse you of that notion.
  
  True, then why do you insist Israel is in the right, seemingly without equivocation or scruple.
  
  Yes, "alot [sic] of good Americans died" because of immoral unethical decisions made in our government. I do not question the courage and selflessness of the men doing the dieing. I do question the morality and honesty of the men ordering it.
  
  I never said they were better. And I'll leave this alone now. (Maybe)
  
  Alright, you have a point there. On the other hand, your point there does nothing to refute my contention that they have not listened numerous times, leading to many civilian deaths.
  
  I have a problem with those things as well. As I said previously, simply because I am standing up for those oppressed does not mean I condone that which they do in lashing out against that oppression. All those things you've listed are terrible, however they are recognized as such. Comparatively, the reaction to Israel's wanton destruction and killing of civilians in Gaza and their continued occupation of the West Bank is minor. This needs to change, especially given that were Israel pressured into backing off, the terrorism would substantially abate, if not ceasing entirely.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well then lets convince the bad guys to wear uniforms so we know whos fighting and whos not. To ensure innocent people aren't killed have the Palastinians make all combatants in their communities leave residential areas.
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  turgumanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sinai too ! are you trying to invade my country too!this is hilarious!
  israel! old ! come on it`s 50 years old state! Egypt is 7000 years old they came from all over the world ,USA ,Russia,ukraine, europe , try search nationalities of their famous ministers & presidents !
  i know you know anyway
  sinai!
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  turgumanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  well i have nothing to do with Mr Krishna i was talking about my religion
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Pearldiverposted 15 years ago
The History of Saladin and his rival Richard the Lion Heart is very interesting as both were exceptional leaders and clearly had a great deal of respect for eachother.
It was writen that in battle; when Richard was seen by Saladin to have had his horse killed from under him; Saladin sent him a new horse so that he may continue to fight on horseback.
I think many leaders would have done the exact opposite. Perhaps, had opposing religious beliefs not got in the way... they would have been good friends?
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  turgumanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  it`s ethics that no body cares for it`s old fashioned now when crusaders entered jerusalem they killed every muslim living in it everyone ( i wonder if we are terrorist why we always killed in large numbers by " non-terrorists" all the time ?!) they made mosques pigs yards & remove every script on the walls but when saladin intered he didn`t do the same & that was because he was a religious man
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A Texanposted 15 years ago
Did he say it was ok to fly planes into buildings? Or strap bombs onto teenagers to set off in hotels or markets? I missed all the outpouring of sympathy from Muslims after 9/11 or anytime a bomb is detonated in Israel, but I have seen Muslims cheer for the killing of innocents!
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The human is a sadist irrespective of his religion.Atrocities have been committed by men of all religions and by athesits.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I know you are right but you seem to be praising the fact that a prophet gave you a set of rules that are not being followed. I am talking about Muslims denouncing these acts whether it occurs in Iraq the US or Israel, I don't see the outcry from Muslims against it!
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I know Muslims who hate all this and say these guys are not Muslims as Islam is a religion of peace and Jehad is an inner battle .Some of my friends are Muslims and they are peace loving people.You cannot label everyone as a fanatic.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You may know them but I have not seen them! I always here it is a religion of peace but I have not seen any evidence of it. I have seen plenty of evidence to the contrary!
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Its hard to believe you have not met any nice Muslims who are non violent.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know if I have met any Muslims or not, I don't usually ask people what their religion is. I have met Arabic men who after 9/11 started wearing cowboy hats and speaking Spanish! Were they peaceful non violent men? They haven't done anything to me, but as I said I do not know their religion!
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You cannot blame the religion but the greed and foolishness of man.
  
  "Your glory is such,
  Man asks for too much."
  
  Sadly some believe they are doing the right thing and stupidly believe they will go to heaven by committing such bullshit.
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  turgumanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i wonder why most americans see others sins & can`t see their own ! this is very dangerous specially for people who wanna rule the planet !
  man your country spelled blood as no other country did in the history of humanity since it was set up till now ! how can`t you see that! american heros only seen in films iam not saying that just to abuse i am just asking you not to be brain washed about yourselves, what did islam do to you or to any? , bin laden is not islam if you mean so ! you made him ! visit my hubs about palestinian children & you will know how ! , you wanna know what islam taught me " god raise fair nations even if they disbelieve & put down unfair nations even if they believe " i will stay stuck to such good words even if some people didn`t like this .
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  mobilephone guideposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  excuse me. i have skimmed your hubs about palestine children. i ask you this, are these videos excusable?
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkNE__TiMZo
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyATtyhQpnE
  religion aside, THAT is not acceptable
  if, this happens to be true, then i'm not surprised why a lot of children die.
  is this a black propaganda? it seems suicidal, half meant.
  
  benefit of the doubt. enlighten us. tell me what you think.
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  turgumanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  do you really think that a child who lost his father or mother or both or his dear brothers need somebody to tell him to hate the killer ?! i show you the most hideous acts that a child may face in the history & you show me mickey mouse & puppet show ?!
  ok i`ll ask everybody to view that hub & judge
  
  http://hubpages.com/hub/children-of-pal … ht-to-live
  
  watch this also about baised american media
  
  http://hubpages.com/hub/Israeli-Palesti … -oppressor
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  mobilephone guideposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  a puppet show, in that kind of form, showed to every kid in the city... you don't think that's serious? isn't that called, brainwash? use your common sense.
  
  if a kid watched that, they don't NEED a dead family to hate them.
  
  hideous acts? in war, it's always hideous!
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  turgumanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  may i ask you why did you remove my links when you quoted my words while left the other links ? are you trying to hide something ?!
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  mobilephone guideposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  because it looks like crap to me. too much text already. spam it if you want. don't be a kid, or are you?
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  turgumanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  no i just disrespect hiding truth , let people decide what is spam & what is not & i wonder how children losing there lifes & body parts is spam video`s while puppet shows are not?!
  
  everybody plz visit that if it is spam plz report it !
  
  children of Palestine do they have right to live ?!
  http://hubpages.com/hub/children-of-pal … ht-to-live
  
  Israeli-Palestinian conflict who is the victim who is the oppressor !
  http://hubpages.com/hub/Israeli-Palesti … -oppressor
  
  no adsense there by the way
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  turgumanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  no he didn`t just like jesus didn`t say bomb whole towns full of citizens with tons of bombs & missiles & depleted uranium to destroy people`s future as well as destroying there current life
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What does Jesus have to do with this? Did I mention him? Are Christians the ones bombing villages or is it the Military which is made up of all religions including Islam. In your rush to defend Islam you seem to forget it was Islamic terrorists that attacked the US. What did you think we would do, bake you cookies!
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  turgumanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  muslims were killed too in 9/11 isn`t it ?!
  the difference is
  you voted for bush while we didn`t vote for bin laden !
  you invaded two countries & support the ugliest racism in the history , you invaded iraq killed hundreds of thousands (these are very high scores in fact , congratulations!) is this enough nooooooo let`s destroy their future depleted uranium will do the job for next 4.5 million years ( you breake your old scores again!).
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Probably a good idea to keep your Muslim lunatics in line or we wind up doing it for you, find Bin laden and bring him to us, we will make sure he gets the justice he deserves. Keep making excuses for Muslim terrorists and you will always be a victim!
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  turgumanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  truth hurts isn`t it
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Truth hurts? You are the one whining about Muslims dying, I'm just telling you how it could be stopped. If your goal is to keep thumbing your nose at us don;t be surprised when we swat your hand away!
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  turgumanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  whining ! i was just trying to give you the right image about yourselves & who should be called terrorists
  
  & so as to be fair i know americans who refused occupation , some standed & sacrificed themselves defending palestinian children they didn`t need me to whine to be good people it`s something they were born with
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU
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Dame Scribeposted 15 years ago
People that can see beyond their religions (and noses) are far and few indeed.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Very true and sad.
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  turgumanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  well religions are made to keep lifes & if you read what i wrote religion make people more humane like saladin if some people were not that`s their own problem & lack of religion won`t make them more good religion put limits to human illegal pretensions so if such people have no limits they will be more destructive
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A Texanposted 15 years ago
Anyway, about the rules and flying planes into buildings? Mohamed gave the thumbs up or what?
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Muhammad existed fifteen hundred years back how could he give the thumps up?
  
  A lot of wars have been created by Christians and you cannot hold Jesus responsible for it.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am not blaming Mohamed, I am asking if Islam is a religion of peace then why don't I see any Muslims denouncing Jihad? Thats all!
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There are many Muslims who say Jehad is in internal war with oneself and not an outer war where you kill some one else.
  
  The core of Islam is considered to be Sufism which propagates the onessnes of god and religions and is totally against violence and fanaticism
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well they have brought it to my Country and made it an external war, I am not here to pick a fight with you, I was just astounded somebody was praising the fact that Jihad has rules but the rules are ignored!
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I know you are not picking up a fight me me I can see you are a decent person. I am half a Hindu and half a Parsee but having read about the great prophet Muhammad and Sufism I cannot help but have immense respect for them.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  OK I appreciate the attempt at an explanation and wish you the best! Goodnight!
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Welcome and goodnight.
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  video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  JIHAD means to strive and struggle. There is a Sahih Hadith (sayings of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)) whose theme is that there are different types of jihad depending upon the situation.
  
  when a person struggles against his/her own evil inclinations – it is jihad
  when a person takes care of his / her aged parents – it is jihad
  when a person goes to Haj – it is jihad
  when a person speaks a single word of truth in front of a tyrant ruler – it is jihad.
  when a person jumps into a battle field, killing the trouble makers and murderers in the land - it is jihad.
  
  it's your misconception which you got from international media. Jihad means to strive and struggle, it does not mean HOLY WAR. On the other hand, In some books of the Old Testament (for example, Joshua) commandments are given to commit horrible violence against non-Jewish peoples. Mass murder is commanded, with no regard for women, children or the elderly. This merciless savagery is totally against God's justice. Take for instance, the black history of CRUSADERS. Also the hisotory of SALAH UDIN AYUBI who when entered Jerusalam pardoned each and every non muslim whether Jews or Christians and let them with the fair choice of stay in peace or leave in peace.
  
  Yes, cutting throats and killing innocents is not Jihad but DON’T put full stop there. Also the atomic bomb which the Americans used on Hiroshima, the massacre of innocent Jews by Hitler (Rothschild / Freemason), the slaughter of innocents in Palestine by the hands of Israel, the butchery of Afghanistan, Iraq and tribal areas by Americans can not be justified by any law of the world for only one person - Osama Bin Laden.
  
  Almost 30 years back history shows that the militant muslims were first bought, trained and supplied with weaponry, money and food by zionists for their personal gains to control the whole world, for instance, Osama Bin Ladin who was an engineer in US and had a close relationship with Bush family, took the responsibility from US to start retaliation against Russia in Afghanistan about 30 years back with the full support from zionists and their agents in different territories.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It would have been so nice if you had defended the meaning of Jihad without trying to put some other religion down.
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  video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I cant hide the truth. If it's mentioned in Bibles then why you are ashamed of.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There are things mentioned in the Holy Quran which can easily be mocked at.
  Look at the good in all religions and prophets and understand the oneness of god.
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  turgumanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  did you read my topic it`s about what jihad is ?!
  how come you didn`t read it !
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Dame Scribeposted 15 years ago
Re-defining words to fuel their own fear (inciting) upon others who have high respect for them ... to safeguard their own personal goals at the expense of others is abuse of powers, I agree on that.
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mobilephone guideposted 15 years ago
I'll just leave this here

WTF IS THIS SHIT lololololool

fundamentalism totally gone nuts
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  maidouxixiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  honey..
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  mobilephone guideposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i'm busy being awesome
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  maidouxixiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Just missing u so much.
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maidouxixiposted 15 years ago
honey?
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Mishaposted 15 years ago
Uh-oh, I am starting to think there is an anti Russian conspiracy on Hubpages.

How having American tanks rolling through town is better than Russian?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We have Hersey bars?
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL WTF is Hersey bars?
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
The whole idea of religion is wrong. It may have played some part in human life that was useful when people were as ignorant as they were in the times of the bible,

"Then the devil took him up to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in their magnificence," (Matthew 4:8 NAB)
The flat earth statement above from the bible is a good indicator of how "clever" they were then, and you would need to eliminate or explain away most of the bible to make any sense of it.

No sanity here, just ignorance.
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dutchman1951posted 15 years ago
I read all of this and what came to mind was the history, no story, but history of what happend to the Town of Hamass, where the president day group takes it name from.

They said that when the army was through, the only thing you could hear the next morning was the erie sound of the central water wheel turning!

for historical accounts I have read about several Islamic Countries, and the commig to power of rulers, I have to ask?

What rules??????

This sounds more like a tale from a thousand Arabian Nights than the Koran????

The Prime Minister of Turkey at a state dinner made a statement, that Americans do not understand the inside man of Islam, that in war all that is respected or understood, is complete Victory.

So I would have to go with history here, and the Town of Hammas as an example. Destroy everything, kids, cows, women land livestock, everything! Leave the water wheel spinning in the Morning Sun! That has been Islam so far???????

I would not want a Book like that to determine my orderd steps?
I sorry sir, this is a good story, not history.
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  Strophiosposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I can't seem to find any mention, historical or otherwise, of the town Hamas or what happened there. On the other hand, I did find that the organization Hamas is so named because it is an acronym.
  
  As for history vs. scripture, shall I point you to the sack of Jerusalem in 1099 by the Christian crusaders? The crusaders continued slaughtering civilians even as they had to wade through blood up to their ankles to do so. From this I would deduce, by your logic, that Christianity must be an inherently evil and violent religion and that anyone quoting scripture that claims otherwise must not be truly quoting scripture.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  True dat
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  video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Christianity is evil and violent just because they changed the word of God with their own hands.
  
  Qur'an, Ch 7-The Heights, V 162
  162. But the transgressors among them changed the word from that which had been given them so we sent on them a plague from heaven. For that they repeatedly transgressed.
  
  In contrast, if you have watched KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, reveals that even Non Muslims agree upon the peace of Islam. Also take a look at the following.
  
  Antioch, the capital of the Roman East, also capitulated to the Muslims after stubborn (willful) resistance. The Roman Governor named Artabin, had collected a strong force for the defense of his province. Placing small bodies of troops at Jerusalem, Gaza and Ramalah, he had assembled a large army in Ajnadian. The Muslims who were deeply concerned at these movements of the Roman forces, withdrew their garrisons from various sectors and advanced to face Artabin. While withdrawing from Hems, Hazrat Abu Ubaidah, Commander in chief of the Muslim forces, asked his treasury officer to return the Jazia (Protection Tax) to the inhabitants, as they could not undertake the responsibility of the protection of their non-Muslim subjects there. The order was instantaneously carried out and the whole amount was repaid to the local inhabitants. The Christian populace was so much touched by this unusual generosity of the Muslim Conquerors that they wept bitterly and cried out “May God bring you here again.” The Jews swore (guarantee) on Torah that they would resist the Romans to the last man if they ever ventured (scheme) to capture the city. http://www.scribd.com/doc/19594197/Hazr … h-of-Islam
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How can you say Christians are evil? Please stop this fanaticism.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
Not only the Christians how about the Muslims?

Qur’an 9:123 “murder them and treat them harshly”
Qur’an 3.28 Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.

Also nice!
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  turgumanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ya very ! specially when you tell us who`s ""them"" they are enemies during battles you can`t treat enemy during the battle gently ! such little things make difference but you wont ask only uncomplete words will do for you
  
  that`s what islam said about how muslim should deal with non-muslims
  
  the second part is answerd
  
  60:8 (Y. Ali- translation) Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.
  60:9 (Y. Ali-translation) Allah only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong.
  
  this is the general rule of jihad in islam & this is how we understand our religion be forgiving but not weak ( live free or die hard ) i think nothing wrong about that,
  some people will take the second half only we call them extremist but believe it or not most of non-muslims do so too !
  u still hate us now
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  turguman, I hate nobody.
  What I said of the bible applies to the quoran. You cannot apportion hate out like this, as there are so many hate statements in both books.
  Surely you do not have an "explanation for them all!
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  turgumanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  then try me i believe that religions came to fix it`s just people who bend good words to get bad things out of it so u cannot blam the script because people refused ( or even couldn`t ) understand it right
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  video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh you hate nobody, not even the rapists that's the reason Australia is pushing itself for competing the highest number of rapes in the world.
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fernando_olhao359posted 15 years ago
fernandoleaodolhao, writes: unfortunately I do not know the Qu´ran very well, beacuse I´m a new Muslim,but these words sound very familiar and very wisely spoken through the prophet
Mohammed (R.S.W.A.S.). Finally I enjoyed the debate and I´m looking forward to hear(read)passages taken from the Holly Qu´ran, regarding family and social issues.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If you hurry I believe you can get your soul back, atleast part of it.
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  turgumanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  can you see souls , any way i gave him origins so he can navigate freely if it`s bad he will disover it himself isn`t it ?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Look I want to see Islam come correct, I want the arab community to recognize Israel and then leave them alone, you're have to understand you're beating a dead horse. I'm all for good relations with everyone but the ridiculous logic has got to stop. My personal belief is we should be isolationists because we are very capable of handleing our own buisness. We don't owe anybody anything and we help more people than the rest of the planet put together. The lack of respect for us is a load of crap and we should tell the world to stick-it.
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  video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  NOW TELL ME SHOULD THE ARABS OR THE ISRAELI ZIONISTS LEAVE THE INNOCENT ARABS ALONE
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You did tell us to stick it! And we have been sticking it to you ever since!
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  turgumanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  so u believe that who have the power who should take every thing wow !
  well i cannot convince you till you fix that point " we did not start this ! " they were living in peace in our countries why should we bear a western sin we didn`t do ?!
  muslims , christians & jews were living in the same country in peace since saladin till they decided to seize it !
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Because arabs don't play well with others.
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  Eng.Mposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  or may be they didn't want to play .
  who blame them ?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The world of sane and rational people. They don't make sense! Their like a child throwing a temper tantrum! They need to grow up and get out of the'dark ages'. The ones that have progressed need to take some responsibility and bring the knuckleheads to the 21 century.That will solve their problems and make islam a religion that can be tolerated.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am in agreement with sneaker. How can peace be negotiated when extremists on both sides have been able to generate enough religious hate in the populace to accept this temper tantrum behavior.
  
  Israel has a vote. So does Palestine. An eye for an eye is a useless concept that can only force more violence, but so far that is all either side seems to want.
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  video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL
  
  It's your misconception that both sides are extremists. Look at the difference between the maps in the above. Surely Israel is an extremist.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Since when do you start a war, you're the attacker and lose but the country you attack is suppose to give back what was clearly won. Personally the arab worlds behavior has been so bad and rediculous I think you should give Israel Mecca and Medina as a goodwill jesture. Inturn they can help organize the festivals so you keep from trampling each other to death. Allowing them to be part of the festivities will be good for both sides a bonding time!
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The bible has this to say, the quoran is no better. Intolerance is taught in both.
  
  If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
  
  And some zealots take that literally!
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  turgumanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you are most welcome brother my advice to you is to read origins read it it self that will be most accurate read freely , ask freely & think freely ,you have much more to read
  these are good original resources to start with
  
  flash quran with translations & recitation ,and hadith
  http://www.quranexplorer.com/
  
  Islam - Resources and information
  http://www.al-islam.com/eng/
  
  i hope you enjoy it
  regards
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Mishaposted 15 years ago
Why our Muslim friends are so fixated on rape? Don't they have any other interest in life?
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  video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am not fixated at rapes rather the point is earnesthub do not hate them. Earnesthub even want to invite all the rapists of the world at his home.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
Tell you what sock puppet, you make up a new list of all the people you hate, you know the list.

I will make sure that none of those people come to your place for dinner ok? Should be the easiest job in the world.

I am sorry I do not have the required level of hate or vengeance as my motive for living, but you see I live in a free country with a free press, I can see flesh, gamble, drink, but more importantly this environment allows people to think independent of psychotic religious beliefs.
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  video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You and your country are not free at all. You people are serving, obeying and following Satan and his followers by doing the above mentioned dirts (gambling, raping, looting, abusing, molesting, drinking, accumulating, hoarding, disrespecting, adultry.......)
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I was all set to get onto you about your post but I remembered you're just an ignorant thug living in the 7th century.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh and God wants peoples heads cut off and filmed as an advertisement on how to love your brother. Dragging people through the streets and hanging them from light poles is a true sign of an advanced civilization filled with wisdom! Then strapping bombs to women and children is a sign islam is all about equal opportunity! Celebrating when thousands die during a terrorist attack is just a cultural misunderstanding! You reallly need to pull your head out of your ass!
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