I hear and I used to say, "I don't think God's Church would have a name", but now I know that there is a true Apostolic Faith. It would have a name. The Jews were chosen in their time-and they had a name. Todays Apostolic Faith is Historic Seventh Day Adventism. Historic because wolves have entered Seventh Day Adventism and kept the name.
What would we look for in the pure Apostolic Faith?
1. They will have to understand Revelations. If your church says Revelations is a closed book- read this. If your church has a curse on reading Revelations- leave.
Rev. 1:3 Blessed [is] he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time [is] at hand. (notice it says prophecy- the church will have a prophet that can desipher the prophecy) Revelations also identifies the dragon.
2. Rev 12:17 "and the dragon was wroth with the woman and went to make war with the remnant of her seed which keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." (so they will follow all 10 commandments and have the testimony of Jesus)
3. It will be a world wide church. Matt. 24:14 "and this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world"
4. There will be a large fallout and Wolves enter.
Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
-7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
-8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
*angel is grabbing pop-corn and beer, and making himself comfortable*
*sits down in between Scott and Misha holding up a big bag of mixed chocolate candies* candy?
I'm bringing cashews. Scoot over people.
Revelations is written as a dream. To understand it, you need to not only "feel" what the images mean, but you need to know about dream symbology. And that, friends is the reason why Revelations has been "interpreted" and "deciphered" by lots of "prophets." Therefore, I have grave doubts about people who profess to have the "keys" to such understanding. They are, quite simply, a dime a dozen.
Hence a similar difficulty with Isaiah's writings. Isaiah was a very literate man, and therfore, his imagery is based on literary symbols, not emotional based dream symbols. And in order to decipher Isaiah's writings, you need to be fluent in the culture and connotations of the day. Not likely for most.
As for the name of the true church, well, hell, aren't there enough with the name of God in their titles to confuse anyone on the planet?? How on earth could one unlock the secret of the name of "the true church?" It's just another argument based in scripture and opinion, to me.
So scoot over, and make room, I'm offering my cashews and we'll see where this goes....
I would think that a "True Church" would be called the body of Christ.
Do you mean the name of the building or the name the people give themselves who gather there.
Scipturally Jesus said to Peter , Upon this rock I shall build my church ,so I take Gods Church to be built upon His concepts and not anything man-made (thought up)
Perhaps 'the true church' is a body of believers with a body of faith ..thats what I think anyway
Once again, Eaglekiwi, I am inpired by your insight.
Davina , I surprise myself sometimes lol ;)now watch someone come n stuff it up
Flicks popcorn at the gallery
Matt. 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
This happened just after Peter anounced that Jesus was the Christ. Jesus tells Peter "thou art Peter" Hebrew punctuation is more clear. (and Peter is about to fail Jesus 3 times. Peter was very bold and seeked favor often.) but then he talks about Himself (Jesus) "upon this rock I will build my church" Jesus is saying Peter is correct about who Jesus is.
They keys unto the kingdom of heaven are given to all the disciples. It is the testimony of Jesus Christ and the acceptance of Him as the Savior. (not just talking to Peter)
Peter did not missunderstand this- why did he not build the church upon himself when Jesus was gone. James did the most here- but again not in his name.
Yep knew it was there somewhere "Unpon this rock" Jesus would build his Church...and the Rock is symbolic for shelter ,safety,
Salvation etc .
So meeting in a persons house could qualify as " A rock" or true Church ...just as well as a Cathedral ..
Actually in Jesus time they quite often met in homes , and today many Christians meet during the week , in a similar fashion.
Church is not a building ,but a buidling can be your Church -make sense...
if god has a name, would his name be mentioned in the true religions name, now i wonder
so would we be looking for a religion bearing that name
I think that it is very important that we know what to call Him. My belief and argument will indicate that there is absolute truth in the word and God intends absolute truth to His church. Many translations of the name are given unto the meaning of the name.
When I was confused as to if I was praying to the "right" God I started my prayer to the God of Abraham Isac, Jacob, Ishmael...father of The Christ. Then I stopped worrying about that.
Is the true Apostolic faith the only true faith? I'm a little confused by what you are asking OP, is this kind of like making a statement by using a question or an actual question, if you will clarify then I will know how to phrase my replies, in order to meet the requirements of an answer correct and pleasing to your train of thought and thus conducive to a harmonious exchange of opinion.
First I must ask you- do you believe when Jesus talks about a bride or a woman, is he talking about a church or a literal woman?
Well my friend scripture tells us that the church is the bride
Well then I think you just answered your own question.
Except you didn't you did answer your own ego though
My Question- Would the True Church have a name?
I said yes, I gave a name and I helped identify why. what is unclear? I understand you the least. I am sorry, I am not trying to be rude- my point to you Scott is that the Bible is factual or it is not. I believe it to be so, you have indicated that it is not.
No I've indicated that to some it is not factual all you have done is indicate what you yourself believe to be true but not what all hold to be true, be careful my friend you're walking a fine line with your statements.
True Church is the most hypocritical name to give to a group of selfish and proud people that think they're the chosen ones. Give me a break !!. No church is'true' as it's founded by human beings,beings full of errors ,misleads and what have you. Please !!
I THINK THAT THE ONLY ONE TRUE CHURCH is when we are alone and we hear that still quiet voice; when we listen to it ...
then it is church when we say AMEN
excuse my pause the wife sat a plate of bbq ribs baked beens and mc&cheese down and said eqat it now.
I do not understand how the church interpretes these chapters as being the Church. Rev Chapter twelve would then be saying that the church gave birth to the Christ and later in Chapter 21 Jesus is going to marry his mother. That don't sound right even in the hills of Arkansas.
In Chapter 21 the bride is a CITY! The church may be part of the inhabitence of the city (bride) but I do not believe that the bride is the Church in either instance. Interpretation of an interpretation of an interpretation twice translated????????? Maybe.
I agree , and the gathering of other believers is for edification (building up)
I worship at the church of the open mind, which is neither christian. buddhist, humanist or atheist....anyone want to join me?
Interesting that you JUST said that the bride is THE church. More interesting is that you JUST said last night that the Bible is not historically accurate. More interesting is you "my friend".
If I said to you Scott- do you want more truth or more fans, wich would you take?
I'm not here for either my friend this is my job, I'm here to write not debate.If people like what I write good deal if not they don't have to read it.I surely don't go fishing the forums looking for an argument and an opportunity to browbeat people into My version of God
during the days of the old testament the Hebrew nation was the bride of God!! Gods bride gave birth to the son of God. That Hebrew nation is the woman mentioned in chapter twelve.
To be so all inclusive as to say that THE CHURCH is the bride of Christ is also a bit too all inclusive as to say that any believer in God the father of the Christ who does not worship the "Church" is excluded from the wedding is a bit self worshiping. What would the world be like withoput people like me. Never questioning themselves!!! becoming ever so arigant, even if I were to be wrong.
When a single congregation is meeting in a house owned by "Joseph", I would call it "the congregation at Joseph's house" and when it gets to be to big and they buy a building on "State Street", call it the congregation on State Street and if it branches out, just use the name of the street it is on in that city and so on and so forth.
Jesus said that the Pharisees and publicans pray on the street corners that all can see their faith. Not all but too many churches have become the corner that Jesus was talking about.
True church....Maybe the heart of any person with God on their mind and grace in their work?
How about we go with a church similar to what Jesus established while he was on earth?
In a brief statement, what does that "look like"?
You mean no church at all? This always gets my vote
Misha, Misha, Misha! You love to poke fun at us religious folks! We love you anyway!
Sure I do.
But was not I right? I don't remember any mention of the Jesus church at Jesus times in the Bible.
He established his church while he walked on earth. He was the profet, he had recruited twelve appostles and they all went about spreading the word. The Nycene Creed turned it all around when Christians allowed a Roman emperor to dictate the establishment of the Christian church.
Actually here we may agree much more than it may seem. If we assume that such thing as spiritual Christianity ever existed, Council of Nicaea killed it, no doubt...
no matter how far or fast you go. When you get there there you are and , also your church Church of one is sometimes best.
Actually, if you look at what Christ did, Misha is closer than most about his activities. Remember Christ and the Apostles in the cornfield on the sabbath, not fasting? Remember Christ's reply?
Remember that Christ healed the sick on the sabbath and the Pharisees and Saducees condemned him for not keeping the sabbath day holy? In other words, he should have been in church.
While everyone else sat in church, he was out among the people, serving them. He only went to synagogue and temple to teach them the error of their ways.
I'm with Misha on this one.
"How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days."
Isaiah 56:2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
I think we all agree, or is there a point someone is trying to make that I am missing?
Good idea! I think that you might learn more than you will realize
No offense man, but does your computer have spell check on it?
Or maybe you can make your replies in a word doc. and then paste them into the reply box
Scott Asked- "Is the true Apostolic faith the only true faith?"
Yes, of corse. Is it the only faith? No. If there were more than one, Jesus would have said "my churches" Now, that does not mean that only those in the true apostolic faith are the ones going to heaven. But, it is royal, it is holy and peculiar as stated in 1 Peter 2:9.
Rev. 14:12 "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."
Jesus said "my church". There are many scriptures that describe Jesus's Church. As mentioned b4- it is the people that make the church and not the other way around. It has to have a denominational name because we are all named by nations, and the church(its people) will be in all nations.
A prophet to understand Revelations becomes extremely important. But God instructed that it would be understood near the end time. Yes, near the end.
where does scripture say that it will be understood near the end ?
Don't use my name to spread your version of things Sooner, if you can't stand on your own then sit down. I don't pretend to understand what you're trying to accomplish with your posts but from your tone I have a pretty good idea, but that's your right. Leave my name out of it or quote me correctly, you're not going to cut and paste my words like you do scripture to support your agenda
Scott, I have been very diligent in answering your questions. You are the fist person I have ever seen get angry when posting a question to the dotted "i". If you don't like my answeres, relieve yourself. If you don't want any of your words re-posted, don't post anymore words.
I gave you the option of reason and maturity and you chose to go the other way remember that my friend your words will come back to you. Have a great night.
Jerami- "where does scripture say that it will be understood near the end?"
yes, I got that from "The Spirit of Prophecy" by Elen White.
I think the true church would have the name of Jesus Christ in it somwhere.
Well if that was His real name in the first place....ok then.
Not necessarily ,I mean it doesnt need to have any name , right?
my satellite keeps going out so this my replies may be cut short
Jesus has a name that no one knows but him.
The Church needs no name. It is in our hearts.
There are many misconceptions concerning revelation because too many base their suppositions upon the interpretations of others.
When we hear others understanding of scripture we must check it out by reading those verses ourselves at the source.
For instance all those believers described in Chapter twenty are NOT going to be kings over the earth during or after the 1st resurrection. It is written that the 24 elders (only) are to be kings. The saints are to be priests.(only)
When we are reading scripture, preconceived beliefs play havoc with what the words actually say.
A lot of them do. Which can you prove is the "true church?" How does anyone prove any of them is the true church?
The Peaple are the church- how they behave and what information they posses is what makes up Gods Church. The closest I can find is Historic Seventh Day Adventist. They fit prophecy, they follow the commandments(all of them), and they are "peculiar".
Now prophecy has rules as well. Prophecy is revealed in dreams and prophets do not claim to be as such. We claim our prophets and God reveals His prophets.
They follow ALL of the instructions? Really? Do tell.
Like which ones?
Prophecy is revealed in many ways and not just dreams. You have intuition or a voice speaking to you or you may come to a deduction because of the signs you see.
Meditation is another great way , when one is still or in a trance like state he communicates with god.
All prophets know who they are and claim it.
Revelation can be said to be dreams, The few books that I have read imply that the dream symbolism has universal meanings, with a little room for personal interpretation. A horse for instance usually represents things such as strength or loyalty.But if a person is deathly afraid of horses there may be a different meaning when he dreams of horses.
God has given us some definitions of many of the symbols, in the book of Daniel, that are expressed in the book of Revelation. For instance the bear is Persia, the Leopard is Grecia,teeth of a lion is the Roman Empire etc.
I believe that when we are attempting to understand revelation it is a necessary to follow the interpretations applied in Daniel. Then the "MYSTERY" can be unraveled through analytical deduction. At least that is what I believe.
Here are some ideas, since you asked:
Salvations 'R Us (An afterlife for EVERYBODY!)
Jesus, Inc. (Free cell phone to every new member!)
Rent-A-Christian (The APR is killer but they don't do a credit check.)
Uncle Bob's Handy Dandy Revival Room (Come on down!)
Oh Pam I actually think there is one very close to one of those near me Uncle ? Holy Roller Room , almost gave myself whiplash tryin to see if from the Greyhound...
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