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The 'Gods' were aliens. Just look at cave paintings. Jesus didn't perform miracles, he was an alien using his technology to create the illusion of miracles.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
--Arthur C. Clarke
Some say Shiva was an alien.Mount Kailash where Shiva abides is supposed to have a lot of alien activity.
I have also been called one, not human but from some other planet.Its just an expression.
Then yes its is possible that a higher intelligence was involved.
Man can connect with the cosmic power and do miracles.
2000 years later millions follow his words if thats not a miracle what is? The prophets think far ahead.
I responded to this particular post to establish a clearcut point and yet, as I read down the responses thus far, not one has directly approached the original question with anything close to a clearcut answer.
"Religion" itself speaks to a set of rituals performed for a stated purpose not necessarily dealing with God, Christ or Fred Flintstone. It is generally, however, assigned to faith-based individuals whether they be Christian, Jew or Hindu.
One must remember the term "religion" is a manmade term. Hence, those who may have doubts themselves tend to not showcase their particular set of rituals in a public forum. While one may treat their annual swim in subzero weather as a religion as they do it every year at the same time and on the same date, many might think they're nuts. They themselves perhaps cannot give a justifiable reason other than, "Well, it's what we been doing. Sorta a tradition." Traditions, rituals and religion. Three things that do what? Separate leaders from followers. Followers don't step up. Leaders do. If they truly believe in what they're doing and why. In the end, it ain't about God, it ain't about the Bible and it ain't about Jesus. It's really about you. Just what do you really stand for that you have the guts and intelligence to back up? Critics are a dime a dozen on a good day. Anybody up for taking a crack at a solution?
hello Grace. nice to 'meet you'.
Indeed, I'll have a go of it.
1. Let all forms of ideology come together and end the need for such.
2. Let's begin living by the image of the universe we live in and not by a set, or sets of rules that only limit our ability to be a complete created entity or by an assumed 'logic' or 'reason' -since they too are limited ideologies.
It hides the truth.It fails to focus on the reason behind our birth and existence on earth. Neither the religion's founder nor the so called messengers have been successful in their mission. They have not taken us to the destiny and we are made to wait for centuries in a hope that the right person will come.
Hope is still alive but few have been successful in Self Realization and have attained something that was a tough task by the religion.
While you search for little green men from outer space, you're missing the point....you're missing out on God.
That religion is a 3,000 source of living and a money-making machine. It is a source of a lot of benevolent things, priests are really trying to be good and to serve G-d, but they also need to generate income in order to eat and have shelter.
The Blue Book says so. HAH! I just used a religious tactic.
To answer the last question, I wouldn't say we are Gods. We are part of god.
It's all interpretation. How do you know he didn't mean "lift you out of darkness" as a metaphor for the technological dark times we were in? I certainly doubt he intended Christianity to be the scientific depressant that it ended up being.
I HIGHLY doubt that.
Wise guy. That's a "religious tactic" that never worked on me. Cite chapter and verse, and please prove to me that your "blue book" is reliable.
As for technological "dark times," prove that our current times are any brighter. Sure, we have internet. We also have internet porn, cyber stalking, and so forth. We have cured disease with adult stem cells voluntarily donated. So we leap to the conclusion that it's permissible to kill human embryos for stem cells that have yielded no cures. We've figured out how to split the atom, which has given us cleaner, more economical means to power our society as well as a means of committing global murder/suicide.
Technological progress will only bring about our destruction without moral and spiritual progress remaining at least two steps ahead of it.
Why is it that the religionists first statement against anything vaguely anti-religulous is this?
And no matter how much proof - they will always say it is not enough to defeat their blind faith?
How many people and conflicts would you have jeebus cause? Bet u r looking forward to the final conflikt huh?
When jeebus comes back to show us u were right and he is the Lord?
Sure - sorry
Yes - I agree - the religionists have completely misunderstood the message in the bible.
How you come to the ridiculous conclusion that jeebus was god or even that there is an external god from reading that rubbish is beyond me.
"Don't worry - every thing will be fine after you die and you now have complete authority."
War war war..............
You are surely aware that Jeebus did not write any scriptures?
Plus of course - there has been 1800 years of fighting over what interpretation to use on what the sheeple who wrote what he did supposedly say really meant to say. You know - "using scripture to interpret scripture." that way - you can get it to say anything you like. Because it is all about "context" lol You know - because a modern day religionist can put an 1800 year old book into context the way a non-believer cannot. It is just coincidence that it then says "gays are evil," or "the death penalty is OK" or whatever it is they want it to say..
The constructive thing to do would be to dispose of the bible in a garbage dump and start looking at ourselves without the ridiculous notion that there is a god.
This is what is holding us back.
You cannot do that.
You need a religionist to tell you what to think.
Sheesh. Just not getting it are you?
I was asking for proof that Jesus was an alien.
As for Jesus words, the most reliable source we have is the Bible. If you're going to toss that, or toss aside all the parts where Jesus worked miracles, rose from the dead, said he was Messiah, was described as the Word of God Incarnate, advocated listening to the religious leaders of the day without following their imperfect examples, and so forth, you don't have much left.
yes, but what bible was jesus speaking of? was it compiled as the most used version of today? or even the most accurate of all the versions? probably not.
the bible is corrupted by man.
even if it were written at one time by PEOPLE that were passing along a message from god, it has been perverted beyond recognition.
so its wise to take the bible with a grain of salt.
that said, its impossible to make assertions, at least spiritually speaking. its a little ridiculous that people try to argue whether god does or does not exist, jesus, bible, devil, magic, etc.
its all opinion.
no one knows if jesus was an alien, a psycho, the son of god or didn't exist in the first place.
for anyone to say otherwise, no matter their reason, just proves them a fool.
religion is hiding people from their true selves.
religion is hiding an individuals personal power and sovereignty, knowingly or not.
anyone who believes whole-heartedly any organized religion and all their dogmatic beliefs, rules and laws are severely limited when it comes to true spiritual understanding and enlightenment.
I don't think little of myself at all. I think I am as much a part of god as you are. I just think it's very arrogant to believe we are the only conscious beings in the universe when it is SO large.
I know what you were asking Valerie, I was making a joke. The response to "Give me proof that God exists, or that Jesus was the son of God" is always "the bible says so." So... the blue book says so!
Obviously aliens are far more advanced then us humans. We have very little knowledge on them .This cosmos is full alive and not dead at all like some humans like to believe.
If you think that's the only response, you haven't paid attention to most of the religious threads.
Hell we already have a god complex. Have you ever seen a 16 year old drive a car? They think they're immortal!
We're definitely not 1 cure away from immortality. With each cure come more diseases. Plus, we'll never rid the world of war, famine, violence, and accidents.
Stopping cell degeneration? We are actually pretty close... but what about disease? I don't see how stopping aging would stop death altogether.
Chapter and Verse? For the blue book? I don't even know them - I've never read the blue book. It's supposedly an alien handbook, I don't really believe it. While we're at it, prove to me that the bible is a reliable, TRUTHFUL, book. You can't, so don't ask me to do the same. I was making a joke from the beginning, but OK we can play this game.
Dark times refers to repression of science. The church was responsible for that for a century (just look at gallileos work, or any other huge breakthroughs that were repressed because they challenged the churches beliefs).
Just an FYI, we can get stem cells without killing embryo's now.
Talk about moral and spiritual development that needs to accompany technology all you want, but are you really trying to tell me killing people who believe differently from you has ANY relation to moral or spiritual growth? How were the crusades justified? Did we need them? How do you justify imprisoning and killing scientists, astronomers, and others who challenged the popular view of the universe we live in?
The authors of the bible figured out how to control the masses, which allowed them to keep a society running smoothly, but also allowed them to wage 'holy wars' against the arab people. How is that any better?
Technological progress is what will allow man to ascend to the next level of society, and it was halted for many years thanks to religion, and the desire of a few men to control many.
Ahem! Aging is not the disease, the inability to live is the disease. Dis-ease.
Soma - the nectar of immortality. Does science firstly have to discover what that is in order to copy it?
Nope, you are missing something. We are not gods. Jesus Christ is the Light, the darkness is to not know Him.
John 12:35 "Jesus therefore said to them: Yet a little while, the light is among you. Walk whilst you have the light, that the darkness overtake you not. And he that walketh in darkness, knoweth not whither he goeth."
1 John 2:8 "Again a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true both in him and in you; because the darkness is passed, and the true light now shineth."
Umm, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you can still die. Reversing the age process will not make man immortal.
Immortal means that you'll live forever. I didn't say that slowing down the age process wouldn't improve our quality of life...you said immortal. And I'm saying, we wouldn't all turn into Wolverine!
Haven't been reading X-Men Forever, have you?
Cagsil, I think you vastly overestimate the human creature's control over his or her life or surroundings. Every time we think we've outsmarted God and/or nature with "unsinkable ships" or (where I once lived) "earthquake-proof" freeway overpasses, we are proven wrong. Imperfect. We are not completely in control, and given our track record, I don't think any human should be.
As for Biblical reliability, there is more evidence that the Bible has been reliably written and copied over the centuries than there is that Homer dictated the Iliad or William Shakespeare wrote all his plays. Its oldest manuscripts are also far closer in age to the original documents than the oldest extant manuscript of the Iliad is to its original.
Do you take it on faith that the Iliad you may have read in high school or college is exactly the way Homer dictated it?
Of course not, but I don't really care. That statement was to make a point. I'm sure for every 'piece of evidence' you can find stating that the bible was perfectly upheld over the ages I can find one more that refutes it. How can you prove to me that the bible is trutfhul?
First of all there's the Talmudic standards for reliable copying of Torah and Haftarah manuscripts. There are New Testament fragments dating to when Jesus first disciples were still alive which have been reliably copied in later manuscripts. In the relatively few historic accounts, there are discrepancies that prove that witnesses, chroniclers, et cetera are not in collusion.
And I never said the Bible was "perfectly upheld." Perfectly upheld means perfectly followed rather than just perfectly copied.
Meanwhile, what part of the Bible is a lie? And how are you going to prove it is a lie?
Today religion is making us loose true humanity and love for each other ......
Oh, believe me, I understand your concept. I just don't agree with it. I don't think the human body was meant to live forever. It's not built that way. You're talking about an evolutionary process that would change our anatomy. We would be something else, not human. An extra DNA strand, an extra chromosome...something. Either way, you are changing what we really are.
I'm no expert on DNA, but from what I understand we are basically born with extra bits of DNA that we shed over the years. Perhaps the 'anti-aging' process would just stop that shedding. Either way, it's probably a bad idea. I'd like to die eventually (after leading a long and fulfilling life).
As previously stated death is a disease, and since last year we have started prying that baby open.
it's almost like saying being born is a disease...it's a cause and effect...you're born and then you die. Just because you have chosen be an Atheist (I'm guessing here) and you're afraid of noooo "afterlife", and the only way to deal with it is to find the 'fountain of youth', doesn't mean aging is a disease. It means you're terrified of death and you need to find some sort of closure.
The part of a human being that can experience for itself the nectar of life within itself will come the closest to discovering that immortality will never come in the form of a pill.
The Sine Wave, something Prometheus has written about comes pretty close as a state of consciousness that I'm sure Jesus had. Pity I couldn't ask him myself.
All right, I gotta go. Good controversial post! Good luck with your persuasions, Cagsil...Always stick by them...never, ever cave in.
But you ARE wrong!
Consciousness is a pretty massive subject. It's unfortunate that Jesus as a teacher had his teachings bastardized. The Buddhists and Hindu yogis and the Rosicrucians have done more for consciousness than the church has.
It's not enough for a person to be conscious he exists though. He has to be aware of himself void of any form of conditioning. Take away his upbringing by parents, school, teachers, religion, even his spiritual teachers's teachings, and he stands naked from it all and sees himself - that is consciousness knowing consciousness.
Knowledge of this calibre is not learned from a book. It MUST be experienced.
From this standpoint - what I have noticed time and time and time again by Christian teachings generally (not all), is that they ask that you put your attention to something outside of yourself. This one issue is what dissempowers people. God, Jesus, Buddah, Allah, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is never to be an external personal entity. But whilst it is, people will never achieve any state of consciousness beyond the ordinary mind.
For you to make that statement shows a level of ignorance. (That is not intended as a condescending statement, most are not aware of this). There are levels to the mind, that's what consciousness is all about. The more inward you go the more you see. Unfortunately people don't do that. Consciousness is not just written knowledge.
Chitta is a Hindu term referring to the incessant mind that never shuts up. That's a level of consciousness. when one learns to quieten it, then you can learn to find something more in line with the teachings of masters.
One must look beyond only the guide of the bible in order to learn. And learning is to be mixed with experience in order to have wisdom.
"What Is Religion HIDING From The People?"
You got it all backwards
Tell me Cagsil, are you suspicious because of the different life spans in the early bible? That would interest me too.
From the bible of course!
1. God is satisfied with his works
God is dissatisfied with his works.
2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
3. God dwells in light
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
Historically? Jesus Christ didn't write any documents that survived. The only documentation we have that Jesus even existed is in the accounts documented by his disciples of things he said and did.
And Earnest, once again, context counts for a lot. God created everything for the purpose of being good. It's when humanity screwed up that God became dissatisfied. And God dwells wherever God wants- being omnipotent and all. You seem to be looking for contradictions where there aren't any.
Well, anyway so called religion is achieving in these forums one of its aims :
make people have bizarre, surrealistic, fantasmagoric discussions tending to division, anger and in extremis war.
And all this without getting to any positive conclusion whatsoever.
All fall in this mental trap.
Religion (roman catholic) always tried to hide from us our real flesh and bone nature. Our animal nature.
But that nature is so overwhelming present...
i have a similar kind of hub which portrays the barrier ship of religion with respect to god. Not all the religions take the responsibility of attaining eternal righteousness.
I will probably blame poor messengers for it.
I also request you to visit this hub and know more about this.
Funny how they are called prophets years or centuries after their death.
If that is a miracle then what about all the communication equipment we have today--what do you think it will be called many centuries in the future?
Let see here. Try reading the Conan of the Catholic church were it states that they must keep the clergy and parishioners in the dark and unknowing at all costs. I kid you not that is what it says.
HP ate my lasr post! Hahahaha.
What I said was to check out Bard Of Ely's hubs for the answers of controlling natural events.
There is a whole library of Sacred Text Books for reading and learning. Here is the link and I hope that you find all the reading and knowledge you can hold and then some.....
Why can't I see any of Cagsil's post's on this thread?
I don wanna be in tha bad book, that's cause...
Religion does not want the people to know that we do not need RELIGION to know GOD. We do not need how to literature in order to know GOD,
They only want your money to build more churches in an attempt to save souls. Christ siad the only one who can do that is him and not man..........so why do they still convert and take everyone's money to build churchs and also the temple of God is our own Body.
The 'Gods' were aliens. Just look at cave paintings. Jesus didn't perform miracles, he was an alien using his technology to create the illusion of miracles.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
--Arthur C. Clarke
Well if god isnt human, what is he?? God is an alien species, the last of his kind??? So yes aliens are responsible for the human race?
Or build from the ground up once the old building's been razed.
That would be kind of difficult when they burned the libary at Alexandria where they had lots of scripts and things there and they are all gone because Rome didn't want anyone to know anything that they didn't want anyone to know and that was just about everything.
Nothing, we get preached at every chance they get by those religious types, so they are not hiding anything, except probably that they could potentially be devil worshippers in disguise.
some people in some religions hide the fact that an individual does not need a religion to be close to God...but it can be helpful to some and that is a good thing
it is not a good thing when a religion says that without it someone cannot find God, or is bad for not excepting religion...
what some in some religions are hiding are their human egos.
the human ego has needs, some appropriate for soul evolution... and some not, like the need to manipulate others for whatever reasons
until a soul is healthy (has meet in a healthy way it's ego needs)
there is always a chance it can get lost in the "illusion" of life. religions can help or hinder the soul in how to stay on the path
I would urge all of you to understand this sentence with great sincerity:
Every thing can go against us till we know God.
Find out who said this who was he and why.This will lead you to many answers and solve your queries.
This is just my opinion.... The main thing that Religion is hiding is that it is much later than people think.
We find confort that there are things that must be fulfilled before the last day of indignation can come.
This is a false security.
I gotta go do a few chores and will be back.
I think the main thing and most important thing that religion hides from believers is "individualism". I think some religious live their entire lives never finding themselves.
If the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth were to be delivered, it would be covered up with so many other Interpretations of that truth, that it would not be visible for very long. It would be like finding a needle in a haystack; before the sun goes down.
prophets are our teachers they had given us true teachings from God but some ppl of other religion except muslims have get them wrong.
What Is Religion HIDING From The People?
That it's only a control system by fear.
that's all about money & power.
Doesn't hide it. It openly challenges peoples' understanding of life. It disguises itself, so another agenda can be reached, for which, is never told to the people.
You know, therefore you don't need to ask me, now do you? You manipulate it, just like all the religions, so you can claim to be superior than others. Which is not any different than those who usurp power, prestige, and wealth at the expense of others.
So, you in fact perpetuate the hoax of religion. Have a great day.
You claim believers are stupid , so lets see if you can do what I have, I attribute my work to god.
You just love to put words into other peoples' mouth. WOW! Are you sad!
But you say god doesn't exist so what does a believer become?
You never listen, so I'm not going to get into with you. There is nothing you can learn, you've been obvious in your actions, that you're not of GOD or anything that resembles the meaning of GOD to those who do believe.
Your own ego can't even get out of your way, long enough for you use commonsense. Either way, you're still no better than those of religion.
Ego look who is talking, there are atheist here who have had the decency to congratulate me on my rankings, guess they have a foolish ego as well
They were being sarcastic, yet you cannot tell the difference.
Sarcastic? so every atheist should ridicule someone ranked in top 10 spiritual and religious books on a religious forum?
All you do is insult the intelligence of atheists. Please stop doing that.
See, you're ego cannot help claim your superior nature over those of us simple folk. You're sad.
I said god is with me, I attribute my knowledge to god.
You know you cannot put your knowledge down in a book and get ranked over mine.
If you can whats stopping you?
Unlike you, I don't need to prove anything to myself.
Reason tells a human to mock a spiritual poet ranked with the Bibles on a religious forum? how very reasonable doesnt get more than this
You weren't talking to him, but he has to stick his nose into other people's conversation, so as to make himself noticed.
Got a partner , now you must be feeling so powerfull
Secondly, why would I want to contribute my work to GOD of all things? It's not existent. I don't attribute my work to something that doesn't exist.
You want to, be my guest. Then again, you don't do it for others, you DO for yourself. Which, like I said, you are no better than those others.
Fine attribute to anything you want, write a better book on religious philosophy or spirituality and I will say god doesnt exist.
Hey Mohit, go read this thread - http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/28331#top
Escapist we have a Houdini here
what does your avatar stand for?
It's from a video/computer game. And, why do you care?
The reason I said what I said, because my avatar has nothing to do with this topic. Hence, your question was irrelevant.
Are you NOT reading what I am posting. I told you where my avatar came from. WOW!
I asked what does it represent and not where it came from.
The character , what does the character stand for AND NOT WHERE IT COMES FROM.
)Finally dont know finally being truthful, thats nice
It comes from a video game for which I don't play....DUH, hence the reason I don't know.
I play a different video game, but manufactured by the same company. I visited their art works section and copied the picture because I liked it. So, sit and corner and suck on your thumb, little boy. Your foolishness is getting tiredsome.
not hiding it very well though, everyone seems to spot it
the people is hiding from it, it is the way we interpret or believe in it...
different interpretation which is expected of humans because we come form different backgrounds (economic), genes and socialization in life
And, you don't need to use CAPITAL letters? It's not like you are screaming in reality. You're sitting in front of a computer typing in words. I suggest you get a grip on yourself. And, practice what you preach.
Why do you repeat yourself all the time?
Afraid we will miss it ?
Your ego and pride blinds you. Everybody's telling you so, but you can't see!
I agree 100%. I think pride blinds him of self awareness.
So after getting enlightened and getting ranked 2 in religious books I should gladly accept the mockery of some people on a religious forum? great self awareness
Chop his head and grow tall, a person ranked at 2 is an idiot I am so smart is self awareness?
Its just cheap talk and nothing else, talking is easy doing is not, a simple lesson is self awareness.
Another thing your pride does, it makes you defensive of and to criticism. Instead of learning from criticism and being humble, you show your arrogant pride, get defensive and look at the criticism as mockery.
Another thing your pride does besides make you blind and defensive to criticism is that it keeps you from learning things that challenge your pride.
The last thing too much pride does is make the person self-destruct as you clearly display. lol
Good so you do understand you are very foolish, very often.
You're still showing yourself
Like a 'true' prophet.
I'm sure you'll have a lot of followers who think that calling someone a fool is a kind of 'Enlightment'
Actually, Mohit for some unknown reason, brought this thread back to life, so he could make himself noticed. That's all.
I have proved my knowledge already, what you are trying to do is say he is foolish and so you become intelligent, doesnt work.
Providing proof of your intelligence is not possible
lol "Providing proof of your intelligence is not possible."
Wow. Amazing that you said that. Everytime you post your comments about being "ranked so highly" in your writing is your attempt to prove your intelligence. It doesn't work.
Welcome to self-awareness.
Anyone with a little bit of self awareness would not be telling a person ranked so highly that he is primitive.
Anyone with a glitch of self awareness isn't intimidated from Amazon book rankings knowing that they mean little to nothing. The only foolish ego is the prophet that continues to promote his ego. My ego is ranked low, where is your ranking?
Your ego is huge, that is the only reason you come on a religious forum and try to mock religious poet.
Self awarenes is knowing the god in you but you have no idea what god is.
Keep fooling yourself.
You are right, I have no idea of how or why we began, so I don't have arrogance in assuming and telling others that I am right. lol This clearly displays your ego and pride without even mentioning your non stop comments of your book rankings. I have pride and ego like everyone else, it's just that I try to balance it with self-awareness of keeping it in. I think you should work on the self awareness then maybe you will get ranked even higher than you already think you are.
Nobody's mocking you.
We are telling you what your words sound like: PROUD & ARROGANT.
You choose not to see.
then it's up to you.
but I tell you again: It doesn't look right. Saying you rank above the Bible & Qu'ran.
and where does that ranking come from?
You will never imagined all the things I have achieved in my life. Am I talking about them ? No. I will be ashamed. My personal achievements are not to be displayed in a forum. I take my pride with me. and I'm a very proud person.
I'm sure a lot of hubbers are proud of their doings. I don't see any of them displaying proudly their achievements.
Thinking you're above everyone, thinking you're an enlighten one, a prophet, would not make that come true.
Your deeds will show if that's true or not.
Up till now, you're showing nothing more than pride.
Learn what god doesnt exist and my book and rankings are all crap and so are the ones ranking my work?
This is religious forum , dont you get it.
I don't want the so called self awareness and humbleness you, marine and Q have. Not interested in going to some place and abusing the expert in that topic when I have absolutely no knowledge about it.
You are too proud!
You will never learn
it's a pity!
'I am enlightened I teach and cannot learn form you or any atheist for that matter.
What can you teach me that god doesnt exist becuase you havent found him as yet?'
If this are his words.....
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