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Bible Psycology

  1. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 7 years ago

    -What is the main psychology behind the bible to capture believers. Fear and intimidation in belief is a big part of it with the devil and hell. What are other psychological factors that make weak minds believe the bible?

    And yes, I spelled psychology wrong in the thread title.

    1. Uninvited Writer profile image82
      Uninvited Writerposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Darn it, I wanted to correct your spelling big_smile

      I think George Orwell got it right in 1984 when he said the society needed a Big Brother (ie God) to believe in. As we know, he didn't really exist. And there needed to be a Goldman for people to hate (ie the devil) who wasn't real either.  The people needed an outlet and the government needed to control them.

      It's as if many people need to feel they are part of something bigger than themselves.

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Beat you to it! lol

        I agree with you. I think all of our minds seek something to believe in and define ourselves. I think the biblical believer is obviously more belief dependent than the non believer of the bible or a group belief.

    2. Jerami profile image72
      Jeramiposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         
         You can answer your own question by answering this one.
         What psychology is behind the stories that you tell to your children. You might not be telling the absolute truth when you attempt to influence their lives in the direction that  ..YOU .. think that they should follow.
         If you do a good job of doing that they might make a great book out of that... someday...  And if they do that would mean that they have weak minds.

         I Just had a mind  flash !!!   Anyone that believes any thang anyone else has to say  has a weak mind ???  I Got it.

      1. Colebabie profile image60
        Colebabieposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        No not when it comes to just anything. I know for me to believe someone I have to trust them. Maybe their education is higher than mine, or they know more about the particular subject. Basically, there is a good reason why what their saying makes sense. And yes in some cases that means having proof (whatever that may be).

        1. Jerami profile image72
          Jeramiposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              I don't think that to believe something that someone else says is to have a weak mind. It just seems that some people are saying what I just expressed. I don't believe very much of what most people says about the bible. I do however believe what the bible actually says if I can reframe from interjecting my or anyone else's interpretations into it.

          1. Colebabie profile image60
            Colebabieposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Like I said... it depends on what it is. Sometimes it isn't always best to just take someone's word for it. They could be lying or have no idea what they're talking about.

            1. marinealways24 profile image60
              marinealways24posted 7 years agoin reply to this

              Hello there Cole!

              This is why I firmly believe in no absolutes.

          2. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Anyone that believes contradictions as truth by using faith and interpretation has a weak mind. The biblical mind is weak.

    3. The Rope profile image60
      The Ropeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      What is the main psychology behind social networks to capture followers?  Same answer, the need to connect...What are other psychological factors that make weak networkers consistently pour out diatribes?  Same answer, the need to connect.

      1. elayne001 profile image54
        elayne001posted 7 years agoin reply to this

        are you a psychologist?

      2. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 7 years agoin reply to this

        The need to connect with a belief? Why do we desire a belief?

        1. The Rope profile image60
          The Ropeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Sorry, I don't exactly know where you picked up the word belief?  the need is "to connect with others"

          1. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Ah, I see. I agree with that. Why do we disire to connect with others?

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      Brenda Durhamposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      It's not weak-minded to want to know, and eventually be in the literal presence of, the Creator of the universe.

      Matter of fact,  I think it's rather weak-minded to NOT want that.

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 7 years agoin reply to this

        It's weak minded to rely on anothers answers. It's much stronger to find individual answers.

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      sneakorocksolidposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      It's not as much the Bible it's not wanting to be like the non-believers. Look at that freak show! I'm glad to be a Christian for that reason alone!

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Do all non believers believe the same thing? lol You are brilliant!

        1. Uninvited Writer profile image82
          Uninvited Writerposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Nope...we can't have free thinkers and that sort you know... and those people who live their lives for themselves and not for others...

          1. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 7 years agoin reply to this

            You are going to spoil his generalization! lol

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            sneakorocksolidposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            And what major charity is the non-believers supporting? What do you think the difference in the amount of donations and time would be? Where in the world are the atheists charitable organizations performing their service for humanity? Hmm...free thinkers who live for themselves and not for others, where I come from thats called selfish. We believers try to be selfless and serve those in need. Maybe you can tell me who you might want to show up in a crisis. Well I doubt the "live your own life" crowd would but they would be glad to tell believers what a Christian should do though.

            1. jenblacksheep profile image80
              jenblacksheepposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              How narrow minded!! Religious people are the most selfish people (although I do think everyone without exception is selfish) ... yes, you do good things, but it's only because you want God to be pleased so that you can go to heaven. I'm an atheist and I spent a month doing volunteer work, helping children that didnt have anything. There wasn't a hint of religion in it, in the organisation I mean. They didn't preach to the children about God or anything like that. And I didn't spend my time and money because some higher authority told me it was the right thing to do!

              What about charities for cancer research, protecting children etc? Do you think they give a damn about God? Maybe some individual people believe in God, but the charities aren't in the name of God. And it's not only religious people that give to charity. In fact, logically it would be the other way round: religious people believe that God will save them. Atheists know that they have to give money and time to fixing problems in the world otherwise nothing would happen.

              "Live your own life" means don't live God's life, it doesn't mean you don't care about people around you.

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                sneakorocksolidposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                Would you mind repeating that? I thought you said atheists do more charitable work than Christians. We give more of our time and money than any atheist organization on the planet, period! Don't rationalize your position, show me the atheist organization and their contribution, any. In fact lets include gay rights proponents, women for abortion, acorn, mothers for illegal aliens and  socialists for goverment. Total it all and then will talk.

                1. Uninvited Writer profile image82
                  Uninvited Writerposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  Did it ever occur to you that many non-Christians also give to organizations such as the Salvation Army and Christian Children's Fund?

                  There are charities and then there are political organizations and there are human rights organizations. You can give to more than one kind you know...

                  This is not a discussion about whose is bigger...

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                    sneakorocksolidposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                    Don't start a fight and there won't be one. If you do contribute thats great! Leave Christians alone they do alot of good and they always intend to do good. We are human and not perfect but we do are part. When you break our moral code we don't cut your head off, stone you or blow you up! We ask you please respect our beliefs. You don't have to believe them.

                2. jenblacksheep profile image80
                  jenblacksheepposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  Atheism isn't an organisation or any kind of group/relgion, despite what Christians seem to think. "gay rights proponents, women for abortion, acorn, mothers for illegal aliens and  socialists for goverment" - these could all be atheists!

                  My point wasn't that atheists give more ... I have no idea who gives more. I was just making the point that Christians don't have the monopoly over giving to charity. Everyone gives to charity regardless of who they are, atheists included. And your point in fact backed that up, so thanks

    6. rebekahELLE profile image89
      rebekahELLEposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I don't think it is the Bible itself, or the book. It's what preachers, ministers, biblical scholars, church leaders have done to it to control the masses. man is looked upon as weak in need of salvation and yet ironically the Bible states we are made in the image of God. people are taught to look outside of themselves for their wholeness. I believe everything we need is already within us when we are born.

      1. The Rope profile image60
        The Ropeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        HOORAY Rebeka!

    7. Lady_E profile image82
      Lady_Eposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I'd just like to know what gives you the impression that believers have fear, intimidation and weak minds.

      Your Proof?

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Because they join a grouped belief. It's not that hard.

    8. Make  Money profile image75
      Make Moneyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Well marinealways24, no matter what anyone tells you, a cigar is just a cigar and nothing else. lol

      Come on man, only someone with a weak mind would spell psychology wrong. lol

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 7 years agoin reply to this

        The believer faith! Say nothing that has to do with the point of the thread, just correct my mispelling that I already corrected to protect faith! You believe! Your government god is proud of you.

  2. earnestshub profile image90
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Indoctrination. Injecting young minds with crap. The worst examples being 14 year old suicide bombers and child armies from the rubbish fed from the quoran. The bible is much the same, so the biblical fundies have a similar mentality.

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      lol more detail Earnest! I agree, those are the worst examples.

  3. Colebabie profile image60
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    Hi marine!! How are you???

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Good. Will be better if I can ever retire! Ty for asking. How have you been?

      1. Colebabie profile image60
        Colebabieposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        I've been ok. I will be better once I find out if I was accepted into graduate school!
        Very busy week. Kinda stressful. I have a genetics exam as well as an organic chemistry exam. I'm in my office right now, I'll probably be studying till 12 or 1. But I just found out that the department that I work in was given a very high honor, so I am proud of that. smile

        1. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Keep working and you may retire before me! Good luck on that. Hopefully I will beat you to it. lol

          1. Colebabie profile image60
            Colebabieposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            I'm sure you will! I'm only 22, not retiring annnnnyyyyy time soon!

            1. marinealways24 profile image60
              marinealways24posted 7 years agoin reply to this

              We will get there! Think positive. lol

  4. Jerami profile image72
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    Anyone that believes something that is true does have a weak mind; if they are believing it for the wrong reasons.
    Like algebra or trig. You can answer write the correctly answer but if you are not using the correct method the teacher is going to mark it wrong as it should be.

    1. Colebabie profile image60
      Colebabieposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I think the way that people solve problems differently but get the same answer is what makes the world interesting. I don't think your analogy applies to believing what someone has to say without having a good reason for it.

      1. Jerami profile image72
        Jeramiposted 7 years agoin reply to this

           What if I said that I will bet ya that it is going to rain tomorrow because I saw a worm crawling across the driveway.
           What if I said that I bet ya that is going to rain tomorrow because my uncle said that it was going to  because his shoulder was hurting.
           What if I said that I bet ya it is going to rain tomorrow because I saw the satellite pictures on the weather channel.

           THE  "REASON" that we believe anything is of most importantce.

        1. The Rope profile image60
          The Ropeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          ...and this is a GREAT answer!

        2. Colebabie profile image60
          Colebabieposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Isn't that what I said?

          1. Jerami profile image72
            Jeramiposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               Maybe I misunderstood. I thought we were disagreeing.
                I think that that happens all of the time.  People saying the same thing but using different analogies that are unrecognisable for the other person.

  5. Cagsil profile image59
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    I think there is a bigger problem, compared to bible psychology.

    It is the simple fact that rationalization of religion has been successfully transformed into facts by those who believe.

    The fascination people have with believing in a higher power, such as 'god', is to give their life more meaning than it actually has.

    Why? Because, they refuse to set their own purpose in life. They simply refuse to accept their life and all that it brings.

    Those who commit to a religious belief isn't being a self-responsible individual human being and defying their own nature.

    The nature of man and woman is to deal in rational facts. Facts that make 100% proof, backed by science and philosophy, for things we know. Anything that can not be defined or proven via science or philosophy isn't real.

    Reality exists. Reality is freely independent of thoughts, desires, will, or wishes. Reality is all knowable.

    People flock to religious scripture for guidance for morality. Which is insanity....because our own individual conscience tells each person what is right and what is wrong.

    People find some reason to justify their position, even when they don't have to nor need. This shows a sense of insecurity of their belief. Any deeply religious follower will not strike out, because that would be against their own belief system of compassion, love, selfless(no pride) and god's power of restraint.

    Anyone who doesn't answer or defend calls against their religion, knows the battle isn't worth the wasted energy on a futile conversation and wouldn't engage.

  6. elayne001 profile image54
    elayne001posted 7 years ago

    You all blow me away - like do you believe in anything? What gets you up in the morning? If you don't know your purpose for being in this world, what keeps you going? Is it power, money, love (oh, sorry - you probably don't believe in that either). Just wondering....

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Family. Did that pass your mind? lol

      1. elayne001 profile image54
        elayne001posted 7 years agoin reply to this

        why do you care about family?

        1. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Because I believe in them. lol Are you going to keep asking simple questions?

    2. Cagsil profile image59
      Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      In myself- I have my own purpose. I guide my thoughts and actions freely, without regards for restrictions.

      My self-esteem is higher than it's ever been.

      My self-confidence in my abilities is not restricted, either.

      My motivation is in seeking knowledge and understanding of people.

      My ambition is to help people realize they too can do the same thing that I have.

      I answer to my own conscience and believe no higher authority runs my life.

    3. Colebabie profile image60
      Colebabieposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      What gets me up in the morning is that I am excited because I love what I do. I want to make myself proud. I want to get a degree so I can help others. I want to make my parents proud. I want to have a family someday. I wake up in the  morning so I can achieve my goals for the future and live every day so I can have a happy and meaningful life. What keeps me going? Yes, it is love. In all different forms.

      1. spiderpam profile image49
        spiderpamposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Question. What happens when all the material things fade? What will you have?  Love of Self? What happens when you die? Are you sure?

        1. Colebabie profile image60
          Colebabieposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          My family, boyfriend, and future are material things? When I die, I die. So I'm making sure that I have a meaningful life so that whatever I do while I'm here makes a difference.

          1. spiderpam profile image49
            spiderpamposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Yes. A person is material(their souls isn't) because it cannot last forever. 5 out 5 people will die someday. When it all fades, what will you have. Why are your so sure you will see tomorrow?  Love is immaterial. It will last forever. If you believe in the material only. How can you account for love?

            1. Colebabie profile image60
              Colebabieposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              Oh I'm sorry, did I say somewhere that I didn't believe in love, or that love wasn't the reason why my family and boyfriend are important to me? What makes you think I only believe in the material things?
              When everyone around me that I love dies, I'll let Hubpages know, because that means its the end of the world.
              And I'm not sure I will see tomorrow, thats why I'm doing everything I can today.

              1. spiderpam profile image49
                spiderpamposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                In case you missed it I said "If you believe in the material only". I never stated you didn't read in love, I just wonder how you account for it. Where does it come from? If find it very peculiar when skeptics are asked such questions they get offended or can't really grasp the concept of thought, love, common sense, all the other immaterial things. These things can only be accounted for when you look beyond yourself, crossing from purely naturalistic natural to supernatural.

                1. Colebabie profile image60
                  Colebabieposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  I'm not offended at all. Just pointing out that your questions don't apply to me. So maybe rather than asking me, make them a general question.

                  1. spiderpam profile image49
                    spiderpamposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                    Ok cole, great exchange.

            2. marinealways24 profile image60
              marinealways24posted 7 years agoin reply to this

              Isn't your belief a book of material? lol Oops

        2. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 7 years agoin reply to this

          A strong individual mind is honest and admits to not knowing what happens after death.

          A weak biblical mind as yours believes your will see past on family members in an eternal afterlife. Very comforting. Simple psychology to attract followers to believe the bible.

  7. The Rope profile image60
    The Ropeposted 7 years ago

    Sorry guys, guess my day's in the toilet roll

  8. The Rope profile image60
    The Ropeposted 7 years ago

    smile  Studied, got out of it for the same reason  LOL

  9. Uninvited Writer profile image82
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    Part of life is that everyone dies. That is why you have to learn to live your own life and not depend on others. There is a lot to get up for in the morning without having to believe in God.

    Great books to read, writing to be done, new people to meet, no ideas to share. There is always something in life to get excited about.

    1. Colebabie profile image60
      Colebabieposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I agree smile
      Sometimes I just feel like people are upset at me because I'm happy hmm Just because I don't live life the way they do.

      1. spiderpam profile image49
        spiderpamposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        I'm not upset(I know you must label me to protect yourself that's fine) not in the least, "you're happy" You hinge your happiness on material things(self, boyfriend; family which are all nice things) and things you have no way of knowing will ever come to pass(ie the future). I just find that disheartening.

        1. Colebabie profile image60
          Colebabieposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          I don't think you are "upset", but you don't agree with the way I live my life.

          It is obviously not the person themselves, the physical body, but my love for them and what makes them amazing that I live for and that makes me happy.

          Like I said, I live every day in hopes that if I don't see tomorrow I made a difference. Do the things I do everyday impact my future? Of course. And does it make me happy to know that every day I am improving my future and improving my ability to make a bigger difference? Yes!

          1. spiderpam profile image49
            spiderpamposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Ok Cole, That's fine. Just some things for you to think about. Have a great night. smile

            1. Colebabie profile image60
              Colebabieposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              Don't know what "things" since I think I answered all of your questions, and I'm pretty satisfied with my thoughts. The only thing I'm thinkin about is organic chemistry! smile You have a good night as well.

              1. spiderpam profile image49
                spiderpamposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                Ok then Cole. Be happy.

                1. Colebabie profile image60
                  Colebabieposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  Thanks! I will. And as soon as my exam is over, I'll be even happier! smile

  10. Jerami profile image72
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    Seems like Colebabie has got it goin on a heck of a lot better than I did when I was 22. Can we remember where we were at when we were 22 ?  Everyone wants to tell somebody else how to do their thing.  Everyone should admit that we all have a higher power. For some it is drugs, others it is chocolate chip cookies, cigarettes or fish bait. We all worship something. We all gotta set our own priorities. Choose our own higher power. I think that that higher power should be the creator. But ??
         Jesus never belittled anyone to make um see anything his way.  He talked to them when he thought that they were ready, or wanted to hear what he had to say.

    1. Colebabie profile image60
      Colebabieposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for the compliment. I don't think, however, that addictions or pleasure are a "higher power". Those aren't things that are worshiped, but rather things that we give in to. In AA meetings one of the steps is to acknowledge a higher power.
      A lot of people live happy and good lives without acknowledging that there is a creator. Like you said for you that is what you worship and choose to believe in. And thanks for acknowledging that those who do not believe as you do will listen if they choose.

    2. spiderpam profile image49
      spiderpamposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Good point.

    3. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Lies. Jesus said he is the only way to heaven. The bible says believe or go to hell. You religious folk always leave those parts out.

      1. Jerami profile image72
        Jeramiposted 7 years agoin reply to this

           The word of God is the road map that I'm taking. The word of God is Jesus, If you have a short cut...  Good luck;  hope ya get there before I do.

        1. Colebabie profile image60
          Colebabieposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Ooo... where are we going??

          1. Jerami profile image72
            Jeramiposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              I'm not absolutely sure where we are goin, I got a rock on one side of me and a hard place on the other, don't have a shovel and I caint jump. Only one direction left.  I'm heading into the light at the end of the tunnel if I get a chance.

            1. Colebabie profile image60
              Colebabieposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              Oh cool. Be careful though, it could be a train. smile

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        Marc Salyerposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        "always" is awful absolute.

        1. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 7 years agoin reply to this

          So is the bible to the believer.

  11. Jerami profile image72
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    sometimes ya just gotta take a chance.  Did I mention that when I was between that rock and tha hard place that I also had forgotten to bring my lunch box?

  12. Colebabie profile image60
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    Oh man, thats the worst, being in a bad situation and missing my chocolate milk and pb&j sad now that just makes me sad.

    (yes I realize that is the lunch of a 5 year old)

    1. Jerami profile image72
      Jeramiposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      That is funny... That is what I just had ; pb&j only instead of chocolate milk .. I had milk with instant cappuccino coffee mix over Ice.

      1. Colebabie profile image60
        Colebabieposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        I don't drink coffee. Iced green tea for me! Or chocolate milk when it comes to pb&j smile

        1. Jerami profile image72
          Jeramiposted 7 years agoin reply to this

             Well.. When you get old and grey and need a kick in the pants to help get ya started,  Coffee is better than a kick in the pants

  13. jenblacksheep profile image80
    jenblacksheepposted 7 years ago

    I wrote a hub on this. Not the Bible Psychology, the debate that's arisen in its wake ... meaning of life. I was given it as an essay at uni. I'm still not entirely sure about the hubpages rules about posting your own links ... but its my most recent hub. I kinda started from the asssumption that there is no God, so the religious people probably won't be interested in it (i mention evolution *shock horror*), but for everyone else it's there if you wanna read.

    I basically said that I think people are selfish (which I actually think goes for religious people too) and that life is all about the pursuit of happiness and the meaning that you give to it!

  14. Jerami profile image72
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    and besides for it stunting my growth what else is it goina hurt.

  15. Uninvited Writer profile image82
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    You do not have to believe in God to give to charities. I give to charities all the time. You can live for yourself and still help others. You can't help others unless you help yourself first.

    I don't believe the Peace Corps is a religious organization. There are lots of world-wide organizations that are not Christian. The Red Cross for another.

    There are many Christians who wouldn't get off their butt to pick someone off the street.

  16. Rochelle Frank profile image90
    Rochelle Frankposted 7 years ago

    Also I don't know if there are  "Atheist charitable organizations" as such. It would be hard to tabulate how much is given to good and even Christian  organizations by actual atheists.

    Christians tend to keep better track of those things even though they are advised to not let the right hand know what the left is doing.

    I once heard someone say that "doing 'something good' without letting anyone else know about it" was the greatest personal reward anyone could receive.  It's OK is someone finds out about it, later, but that should never be the goal of the giver. Jesus said we should even pray in private.

  17. Rochelle Frank profile image90
    Rochelle Frankposted 7 years ago

    Yup.

    ..and I am not at all opposed to Christian or other religious charities-- They do help a lot of people and fulfill real needs. Keep up the good work, whether you are religious or not.

  18. Uninvited Writer profile image82
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    No one started a fight with you or attacked your beliefs...well, I didn't anyway...you are the one who started fighting... The same could be said of atheists...respect our beliefs too.

    Marine asked a question and people gave their opinion.

    Atheists also strive to do good, it's not just a Christian thing.

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      sneakorocksolidposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Yes it is.smile

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        Maximus591posted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Im so glad Im not a christian. For me to be christian would feel like large chunks of my mind were missing. A bit like having a frontal lobotomy.

        I'm sure all christians must have been lobotomized when they were little... and they have spent the rest of their lives attempting to fill the missing areas with God. God seems a poor substitute to me.

      2. earnestshub profile image90
        earnestshubposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        No its not! smile smile

  19. getitrite profile image80
    getitriteposted 7 years ago

    They get you as soon as you are born. Conditioning!

  20. Valerie F profile image60
    Valerie Fposted 7 years ago

    How about this psychology of belief?

    Some people are not sure all they can observe with their five senses is all there is to the universe, they wonder if there's a purpose to anything, or they wonder why there is even a difference between good and evil and why it's of any importance. They ask questions. They study various sciences, philosophies, and religions, and then they pick a belief system that they feel best addresses their questions.

    Not everyone who believes does so because they were conditioned or scared into it.

    I might just as easily wonder about the psychology of those who ignore the very real existence of people who've made educated and independent decisions to believe.

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Just because someone has been to school longer doesn't mean they know more than anyone else. You example is weak. If they are eduated and still join a grouped belief, they have a weak mind, no matter how many years of college. "Independent decisions to believe" is a contradiction to the bible if that is what you are referring to. There is nothing independent about your grouped belief.

    2. getitrite profile image80
      getitriteposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I understand that you do exist, but I fail to see what you term "educated" decision.  Despite, trying to deny reality, and abandon reason, I find that I just can't embrace religion.  But I respect your decision.

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      Maximus591posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Belief systems aren't picked. People don't pick and choose belief systems like sweets in a candy store.

      For many, having a belief system is hard wired into the brain. In fact, the hard wiring processes that give rise to illogical beliefs is probably hard wired in everyone. It's the non-believers who choose. They make the choice NOT to have a religious belief system. They use intelligence and reasoning to fight against the hard wiring process. These are the brave people. The believers are just simply the sheep who give in to the genetic and biological need for a belief.

      1. getitrite profile image80
        getitriteposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        I agree.

      2. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Agreed!

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          Jeramiposted 7 years agoin reply to this

             IF ??  IF ??   you are correct about believers being hardwired to believe I would have to say that it is not logic and reasoning that the noble, brave nonbelievers are self righteous for not believing.  If believers are hardwired to believe then non believers are hardwired to not believe. Free will would be nonexistent.
               We have found the answer.   We are all electronic robots programed to or not to anything that we do or don't do. 

            Tha Devil really did make him do it. Next time that I kill someone I will say that I was hard wired to do it.

          1. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 7 years agoin reply to this

            You misread in your absolute assumptions to compliment your absolute belief. The statement was "many are hardwired", not "all". The only robot is the one that believes as told.

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            Maximus591posted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Nope. You're wrong.

            Non believers take the greatest gamble. To not believe contradicts the biological norm. The biological need for many (probably all) is to believe in a higher purpose. Believing in an afterlife brings with it a comfort that we, as humans need. It's not the afterlife we crave per se, but the comfort. God symbolises this comfort. God is the ultimate feel good package to make people feel better about their insignificant little lives. Non believers choose not to believe in God. It's not a genetic predisposition in the same way that belief in God is. It's a conscious decision based on evidence and scrupulous enquiry.

            True courage rests with those who don't believe. Needing to believe hampers the development of the mind. By not believing, the mind has a free path to be whatever it chooses.

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              Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              I find it interesting that you believe our little lives as you say, are not special. Your words make it sound like the human race is any better than ant crawling on the ground.

              What makes you hate being human?
              What makes you think your life isn't worth anything?

              I bet, if you look- it's your religious belief that have told you that you are a sinner and you believed them.

              Humans are TOP of the chain on earth. We control our own lives. We control our own offspring, something NO animal on the planet can ever achieve.

              We know what's right and what's wrong. We each have a conscience. We all know we are alive? But, why? Well, if you have a purpose for your living your life, besides just living, then I suggest you take control of your life a little bit more and find one.

              Religion allows people to be slackers of life. Those who want to simply live their life, don't want to be bothered by others and then die, hoping for eternal life.

              That's really pathetic. The psychologists greatest patient.

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                sneakorocksolidposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                So, we breeders live dull little robotic lives, we have no contact with people we only breed, program our kids, hide in our houses, go to church where other insecure breeders are and then we die with some kind of fantasy that we'll live forever. Is that correct?

                All that would be opposed to drinking and druging, having multiple sex parterners, if pregnancy occurs we should either abort them or if we have them we should turn them loose on the streets where they can learn the real meaning of life, quit work move into governmaet housing, burn the damn churches, berate other insecure breeders and when we die we're worm food. Is that correct?

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                  spiderpamposted 7 years agoin reply to this
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                    Make Moneyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                    That's good.  I like Round 4. smile

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              marinealways24posted 7 years agoin reply to this

              """""Amazing Comment"""""" Spot on.

              I wouldn't have changed a word. The sad thing is, trapped minds will not comprehend anything you have just written.

      3. Cagsil profile image59
        Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Belief systems are based on breeding of children. Those who do have a religious based belief system, will have their children involved. That's the stranglehold religion has on the world.

        Belief systems are interchangeable components which fit together in a puzzle. What holds a belief system in place is reality of factual evidence. If there is no doubt about the facts, then rationalized belief can take place.

        But, to jump off a bridge, and believe in something not of this reality is irresponsibility of the individual believer.

        Belief systems are formed by facts(human thought) and our 5 senses, smelling-tasting-touching-hearing and seeing. If you cannot see it, smell it, taste it, touch it or hear it, then it's not based on facts.

  21. Jerami profile image72
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    I was attempting to see the possibility that people might be hard wired to believe one way or another. It does not make sense to me for some people to be and others to not be hardwired from birth. Or is this a process that the parents inflict upon their children? Maybe Programed is a better description of what you are saying. All people  are programed to believe everything that they believe; starting with " you do not pe pe in the floor" and programed to believe that
    2 + 2 = 4.
        I agree that we should all have our hard drive cleaned out.
    To believe in a creator logically. To believe every interpretation that others try to program back onto my hard drive is illogical. Clean the hard drive and re program it myself.
        Actually that is what I have been trying to tell people to do. Throw away the false interpretations that we have been taught and re program our own belief system.
         There is truth in scripture.
         There is no truth in private interpretation.

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      Maximus591posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      It's unlikely that everyone is hard wired to the same degree. But even in non-believers, they will still possess a biological pre-dispostion towards God. However, it's important to state, this pre-disposition is not towards God per se, it's towards what God represents. God is the symbolic embodiment of comfort and feel good feelings designed to give meaning, value and enrichment to a sad believers life. It's the lazy unthinking approach. God is a very powerful narcotic, is it any wonder why so many fools are inspired by what he represents?

      That is why true courage is with those who don't believe in God. In those who throw down the God shackles and who who experience life for what it truly is.

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        sneakorocksolidposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        What do the shackles look like?

  22. Jerami profile image72
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    I do not think that it takes courage to believe or to not believe. I is not courage or fear to believe in a venomous snake. It may take courage to pick it up and have a relationship with it( maybe that is foolish). It may take courage to disobey your Mother and father, and foolishness to deny that Your mother and father never existed.
       I does take courage to insist upon doing it alone when you know that you could have help. To do it alone when you have no options is surviving with the circumstances you are in.
        It is not being courageous to refuse something that you believe does not exist.

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      Maximus591posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      You miss the point.

      It certainly takes courage to rail against a biological pre-disposition. If we accept that all living humans have a biological pre-dispostion towards God, then those who turn their back on this 'hard wiring' are demonstrating they have an ability to evolve. This demonstration itself is worthy of acknowledgement. Because if you give in to the hard wiring as so many God believers do, just witness the terrifying circus freak show that ensues.

  23. Jerami profile image72
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    I'll bet that you resist all of the biological dispositions that you were hardwired to fulfill. Or just the God one?
    And why just that one?

    1. Cagsil profile image59
      Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Biological disposition for religious beliefs is a farce, just like religion.

      Religious beliefs are learned, cemented in a non-reality delusion. Religious beliefs are solely based on mystical realms, which supposedly work outside of reality.

      To believe such nonsense is detrimental to life. To be irresponsible about your life in such a manner can only come from irrational thoughts.

      Your primary care in life, should be yourself. You should be able to guide yourself and give your own life purpose. Giving up your life for a higher meaningful purpose, such as an unknown 'god' is insanity.

      What purpose your life has is set by you. If you want it to have higher meaning than the average person's life, that is more than possible in reality, doing it on your own, than it would be by believing in something you can never be 100% absolutely sure exists, since you yourself have an inner-part begging for proof yourself of the higher power you are giving your life to. Your faith is poorly place in the hands of someone else, instead you should put it in yourself and your own ability.

      Religion only exists so control can be obtained over the masses. See history- days of Jesus Christ, history has shown that at the time, there were religious/spiritual leaders who were the rulers of the land, they were guided by mystics and oracles, who claimed contact with a higher power.

      The leaders enslaved many to bondage, all to the service of the 'gods'. Those who seeked guidance were manipulated to believing in a higher power and it grew from there.

      That's a prime example of why religion is bad.

      Another reason it is bad is because it takes you away from the reality of life. It makes you think life has no meaning, if you don't believe in 'god'.

      And, you know what? Life does have a meaning, a higher cause then you could ever dream possible. What's the higher cause?

      How about what Jesus Christ said- Eternal Life.

      If every man, woman and child, was religion-free, the explosive advances mankind would make would be unbelieveable. Every man, woman and child, creativity building the most innovative integrated society ever seen on Earth.

      Science would go thru the roof, per se.

      Medical advancements and cures for diseases would come much faster.

      The only think you have to do to achieve it- is think for yourself, be self-responsible and honest in your thoughts and actions. Your simple purpose in life should be to help grow mankind.

      Our existence is not as you are lead to believe. We are NOT the peons we are made out to be. It's insanity to think we are.

      Let's keep it real.

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        Maximus591posted 7 years agoin reply to this

        As a non believer you really are starting to talk drivel.

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      Maximus591posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Nobody is hardwired to fulfill anything in life. Hardwiring does not determine life destiny. It plays a role but it is not the sole arbiter. The brain is a very malleable organ. Biological pre-dispositions can be circumvented through experience and willpower. It's just that religious believers choose not to go down that route. But that's to be expected because that would require them to use their minds which they are incapable of doing.

      1. getitrite profile image80
        getitriteposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        ...And, it would require COURAGE!

        1. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 7 years agoin reply to this

          + Individualism + Logic !

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        marinealways24posted 7 years agoin reply to this

        lol


        I usually don't agree with an "individual" as much as I do with you. I am also not usually a cheerleader. Are you my brother from another mother? lol

      3. Jerami profile image72
        Jeramiposted 7 years agoin reply to this

           I realize that no one is hard wired to do anything/ I was responding to someone who said that every one was hardwired to be a believer. And it takes courage to resist that biological compulsion. I was aserting that if this is true then wouldn't this over here also have to be true???

 
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