Is anyone else concerned about dangerous theology?

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   MissMelissaKposted 11 years ago

   Is anyone else concerned about dangerous theology?
   
   There is a new theology out there that says being good means NOTHING.  Jesus died for your sins and all you have to do is believe in him.  That's it.  Nothing more and nothing less.   It has nothing to do with being good.  Matter of fact, you don't even need to be good.  Whatever happened to fearing God, obedience, reverence, holiness?  There is a new religion replacing Christianity.  It's basic premise is do whatever you want and Jesus will save you as long as you believe.  I thought he cared about the state of our heart and our obedience.

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   sheilamyersposted 11 years ago

   I totally agree with you. It's bad enough there are already people out there who don't care who they hurt in order to make themselves feel good. With or without the bad theology, most of us try to teach our kids to be good and then they see all the bad examples. That bad behavior and the bad examples will only increase if Christianity and the other religions which are supposed to teach a better way to live give up on that and start teaching what amounts to "go ahead and steal, kill, and anything else that makes you feel good because it doesn't matter".

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      MissMelissaKposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Nowadays when questioned about sin, the responses are "It's normal."  and "It's not like you're going to burn in hell."  I say "Woah, woah woah, how far have we fallen from grace, dignity and reverence.  We no longer fear God.  We do what feels good.

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      celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      sin is normal-- for a carnal person, but a Christian is no longer a sinner (carnal person), we have been redeemed and tho we may sin we are no longer doing so as a lifestyle.   We abhor our sin, repent and get away from it.

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   tlmcgaa70posted 11 years ago

   "If you love ME, keep MY commandments"... if you say you love GOD yet do not obey HIM, then the truth is not in you.....the bible makes it pretty clear that we are to live in obedience to GODs laws and statues...nearly the whole book of Psalms is about obeying GODs laws, statutes and precepts. i have heard people (my real dad being one of them) who said we were never meant to keep the commandments, it is impossible to keep them, they are nothing more than a guideline on how we should live...also, trying to obey the cammandments is trying to earn your way into heaven. the truth is that when you love GOD, the automatic response is to obey HIM. if we love our parents, dont we automatically obey them because we wish to please them, to have their approval? it is no different with obeying GOD. one of my sisters got downright angry one day when i said i obeyed GOD because i wanted to please HIM...she thought i was being arrogant, that it was impossible to please GOD and all i was trying ot do was negate grace by trying to earn my way into heaven. my response was, if it was impossible to please GOD, for GOD to show any human favour...then why were examples of that very thing found through out the old testament. David was called a man after GODs own heart. GOD called Moses HIS friend...can you imagine that? i can think of no greater honour than if GOD were to call me friend (and no i am not saying i deserve such a gift...who does). it is surely something to strive for, dont you think? and last but not least...GOD isnt like humans...HE doesnt say or do anything without purpose. if HE gave us laws, (commandments) then HE means for us to obey them.

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      MissMelissaKposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I completely agree.  So much so that I could have written what you wrote.  I want to please him because I love him.  I don't feel obligated.  I don't feel forced.  I obey because I LOVE him!

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   Rev. Akinsposted 11 years ago

   It is in the same place of all the prosperity theology out there. God loves you, so you are supposed to be rich in materials. If you are not rich than obviously God does not love you. I can see the problem with people buying into fad theology and doing what they think is the easiest. Being a Christian was never meant to be easy.
   I personally believe that we need to follow Jesus and try to live our lives as he did, knowing that we will fail sometimes. But I also believe that there is nothing we can do to earn or lose our salvation, that it is completely up to God and Jesus.

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      MissMelissaKposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      We can do nothing to earn our salvation.  You're right.  What bothers me is that we can show how little we care about our salvation by throwing it across the room and having it affect our lives very little if at all.  I do believe we can lose it.

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      david scurlockposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus says its harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom than a camel thru the eye of a needle....blessed is different than being blessed with money....being blessed means God prospers all you put your hand to...but if you are not with God in spirit

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      celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      good word Melissa

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   TwerkZerkerposted 11 years ago

   I agree. This "I-can-live-however-I-want-so-long-as-I'm-'saved-on-Sunday'" approach is anything but...well...Christian. It's also very hypocritical. I believe Jesus when he said that we as his followers are "chosen OUT of the world" (John 15:19). If we are picking up our crosses daily and following where Christ has led, we cannot also be living for ourselves and for this world. The servant cannot serve two masters (or three, in this case).
   
   I believe it was Max Lucado who wrote "God loves you the way you are...but he refuses to leave you that way!" I think this is very true. We weren't saved by Christ so that we could remain willfully trapped in our sin. Paul even spoke directly against this (Romans 6:1-14).
   
   Personally, I think that when we use our "belief" as some sort of trump-card to excuse away sinful living (as if saying "I'm sorry" or "...But I believe" covers the fact that we refuse to actually repent of our sin and that this somehow magically makes us right before God), we're not behaving much differently than the sons of Sceva, who treated the names of God and Jesus as if they were "magical spells" for banishing evil.
   
   The Bible tells us how things turned out for them. Spoiler alert: it didn't go well.
   
   Very interesting question! Thanks for asking!

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      MissMelissaKposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for sharing.  To further elaborate on your point, we have removed the fear of God and shame from the American vocabulary.  Sin is nothing but an acceptable form of habit that God winks it.  Sin has the power to destroys lives and it does.

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   GmaGoldieposted 11 years ago

   Proverbs 3:5-6 ESV
   
   "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths."
   
   If you look closely and hear his word with an open heart, you will know that you are loved no matter what with the one exception of a closed heart. With an open heart, all things are forgiven but with an open heart you cannot disobey God's love for righteous.
   
   We offend God with our sin and sin drives us away from God.

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      MissMelissaKposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      That is very true. God has done miracles in my life.I am forever grateful but even at my lowest point when I was poor and seriously ill, he never left my side as I meditated on the first verse of Psalm 23. The Lord is my Shepherd I shall not want."

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      krillcoposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Presenting it that way to marginal or non-believers is a disaster approach to evangelism. Jesus led with love and compassion, even for the worse sinners.  Only after they experienced  healing did they come to the conclusion that they should change.

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      celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      where do you find scripture to show   "with an open heart you cannot disobey God's love for righteous"? scripture tell us the one thing we are NOT to trust is our heart.    Jer 17:7-10

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      Righteous Atheistposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      They all make this stuff up as they go along. Very dangerous to believe you know what The Creator of The Universe wants.

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      celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      RA  I have nothing more to say to you, I do not waste time with fools

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   cjhunsingerposted 11 years ago

   Theology is the study of a god or gods and or the study of such a belief surrounding that deity. In the true sense a 'study' is not a belief.. Such a position as you have described is not a 'study', but rather a position or a theistic proposition of a belief; a theism.
   This proposed position should not be surprising, it is a natural order of decline that, for the most part, accompanies all mythologies. Christianity is, but one of those. If you look to the history of ancient religions ie. Greek, Roman and Eastern beliefs you will see a decline in orthodoxy until the belief fades completely or evolves into something different.
   Christianity and Judaism are fading fast now with the assistance of outside forces and too, the achievements of science. Outside forces that believe that a government makes a better god than one composed of spiritual belief.
   Islam, on the other hand, is being used as a wedge to disestablish Western beliefs, heritage and culture.
   There is more then religion at stake here. It is that document that acknowledges your right to believe in your religion.

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      MissMelissaKposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Can you prove Christianity is a myth?  The gospels were eyewitness accounts. This is not how myths are made. This is how you uncover evidence and record it. Luke examined the witnesses, interviewed them, and checked out the facts.

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      Righteous Atheistposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The gospels are not eyewitness accounts. The Christ myth is very similar to many that came before it. Nor is "Luke" an actual person.

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      MissMelissaKposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I beg your pardon.  They are eyewitness accounts. Luke is an actual person.  In fact, he was a Doctor.  Stop spreading lies.  There are two forces in this world good and evil.  Deny it all you want but its the Truth!

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      Righteous Atheistposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Please do some research. Luke is not an actual person - and even if he was - that would be hearsay. Don't you believers check ANY facts before believing them?

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      cjhunsingerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      MissMelissaK
      Yes. First we have to agree on what 'proof' is and once given is it to be accepted. How do you define 'proof' in this regard?

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      celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      melissa do not argue with a fool.   it is a waste of time.
      Prov 18:22   A fool has no delight in understanding,But in expressing his own heart.
      Ps 14:1   The fool has said in his heart,"There is no God."

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   Righteous Atheistposted 11 years ago

   The whole idea of thinking there is a god and you know what it wants is dangerous. Once you understand reality you will understand it is up to us to make what we want of life. we don't need to be scared or saved or obedient. The root of this religion is fear. This  why there is so much disagreement and conflict surrounding it. The idea that we need saving and - you think you are saved when others are not is so divisive it will always cause conflict. Most people who claim to have "repented" seem to be untruthful and self righteous. Fear never motivates for very long.
   
   When you think about it - at least this is honest though. Your god doesn't love anyone - he wants them to fear him. Hence - 2,000 years of conflicts.

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      MissMelissaKposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I believe the exact opposite.  I tried your path briefly and lived like the world and my soul was crushed and I never ever want to go back there. Prov 9:10 The fear of God is the beginning of all wisdom.  God has helped me crush so many demons.

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      Righteous Atheistposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      How sad for you. There are no demons. The fear is why you are the way you are. Crushed.

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      MissMelissaKposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Unfortunately for you, I am not crushed.  God has made me whole and complete.  I feel strong like an eagle.  The healthy respect and fear of God is what brought me back to peace and contentment.   There are demons. Trust me, they are real.

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      Righteous Atheistposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      No - they are not real. Your fear is plain though. This is why this religion invariably causes division and conflict.

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      MissMelissaKposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      You cannot prove they are false.  This is simply your belief and for whatever reason, you wish to believe there is no GOD so that you may be your own God.  Many Kings have felt your way in the Old Testament.  Pride always comes before the fall.

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      Righteous Atheistposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Why would I need to prove this? All you need to do is look at history - 2,000 years of conflict proves it just fine thanks. I don't want to be my own god. Prove yours exists.

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      Mahfoudh Muhammedposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Assuming that God doesn't exist, Righteous Atheist, did you create yourself or were you created out of nothing?

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      MissMelissaKposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Satan is behind the conflict, God's fallen angel, and you know what started it all. PRIDE.  Satan thought he was too good and he loves the fact that you blame God.  God is love and that is what Jesus teaches too!! Study Job Chapter 40. 

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      Righteous Atheistposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Satan? God is powerless? OK - all the fault of an invisible bad guy - nothing to do with your divisive beliefs. LOL

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       MissMelissaKposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Laugh all you want.  God will not be mocked.  We are created by God for God.  Satan is not an invisible bad guy.  He is real!  We are surrounded by a spiritual world whether you like it or not.

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       Righteous Atheistposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Not mocking god. I am mocking you. Your beliefs are divisive. Prove Satan exists. This is why your beliefs cause so much conflict.

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       tlmcgaa70posted 11 years agoin reply to this

       when you mock a child of GOD, you mock GOD, and melissa, this person has no desire to know the trueth, so dont waste your pearls on him. we are not to strive over words. once we see they refuse to hear, it is time to shut up.

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       Righteous Atheistposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       How ridiculous. Mocking a child of god is mocking god? How very, very, very special you are. Is your god gonna git me? And no - I don't want to learn what you have to teach. It most certainly is not the truth.

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       krillcoposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       You make good and valid criticisms of Christianity, RA. But it is not a faith of hate, but a faith of love. One big aspect of love is tolerance. Because I am imperfect, I condemn no one; it's not my job. Not all Christians are the same.

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       Righteous Atheistposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Sorry - history doesn't agree. Any faith that thinks one set of people burn in hell for all eternity is a faith of hatred.

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       celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       RA-- sorry but you will learn the truth too late when you and your father satan are cast into the lake of fire.   you have no excuse you have been warned so just go your way and enjoy what you believe.  sadly you are legions

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       david scurlockposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       how can u be an atheist and know what religion is..besides religion is what Jesus was against as it was unperson-able ..God enters your heart and changes you from the inside and is very personal..to your soul...as an atheist you chose to live without

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   krillcoposted 11 years ago

   One person's 'dangerous theology' is another person's cult or even congregation. For thousands of years, all kinds of folks have claimed that THEIR version of Christian theology is the RIGHT version. In another sense, if theology is NOT 'dangerous', it's bad theology. Being a (Christian) believer ultimately means gaining a very personal theology; it is the state of spiritual maturity. Jesus asks me to carry the message of the Good News, to love God, and love my neighbor, not to judge others theology.

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      celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      well you have it partially correct

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    Theophanesposted 11 years ago

    This idea isn't new by any means. There have been lots of sects through history that believed similar things. In fact there have been ones that go a step further - in order to be purged of sins their followers must sin repeatedly and often! (Rasputin led one of these.) And this isn't to mention there was once a Christian martyr cult where followers harassed travelers trying to incite them to kill them - so they could be a martyrs - because self-suicide is a no-no. The crazy mental loop you have to do just to get that one is enough to make smoke pour out of your ears. I wish I remembered their name - been trying to find it again if anyone knows.
    
    Do these things concern me? No more than sociopaths normally do... that is what a person without empathy (i.e. someone who doesn't care if they're hurting someone) normally does. Sociopaths have been here since the dawn of time and they're manipulative! And some have always managed to have followers. In the end keep your wits about you and cross the street when you see them because they're not going anywhere. To each their own.

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    definitionsposted 11 years ago

    No, not particularly worried about it but maybe I should be?  I'm just relaxed.

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    Lybrahposted 11 years ago

    I think that's a huge misconception.  True, our sins are forgiven, but if we really, truly have God in our hearts, we will sin less, because we will hate the things He hates.  You can't go out and murder someone, thinking that your saved because you believe in Jesus, that is NOT how it works.  Grace is not a "get into heaven free" card.  You have to play the part of a good Christian.

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       Righteous Atheistposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Interesting - it is all about hating what god hates huh? And that is playing the part of a good christian. Thanks for explaining that your religion is all about hate and playing a part. That is what I always thought.

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       celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       that is neither what she said or meant.   You are mocking God and that is not a good thing, you will see one day how foolish you really are.   Pray that day comes before it is too late to repent.

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       Righteous Atheistposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Ah - I wondered how long it would be before you started threatening me with punishment for not believing garbage. How very brave of you. Well done you hiding behind the internet. No wonder your religion causes so many fights.

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    Jewelsposted 11 years ago

    Extremely concerned about the dangers of incorrect and misunderstood concepts of religious teachings.  My goodness gracious, you just have to look at modern day Christianity to see how dangerous it has become.
    
    Love this saying"  Do what the devil does, not what the devil says."  If you can get the gist of this you will also see  that Jesus said "Do as I do, I will show you the way"  Yet I don't see many walking in his shoes.  I think this devil saying is so key to Christians understanding what they are doing - they are following blindly, believing what they are taught and not doing the virtues of the teachings of real Christianity.  They have NO IDEA what they are supposed to be doing, they have no real concept of original Christianity.  Shame shame on the ignorant.
    
    Very dangerous following false gods and religions.
    
    Now jump on that and justify your impregnated views on what you think is right for the world.  If you've seen the world lately it's pretty corrupt so looks like most are doing what the devil has said and not what he does..

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       krillcoposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Seems to me that 'original Christianity' was more about love than condemnation.

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       Righteous Atheistposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       How do you come to that conclusion? The original Christians started tearing down Pagan Temples as soon as they were strong enough then proceeded to start fights with everyone. Where do you get the "love" from?

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    Bishop J L Hayesposted 11 years ago

    First Jesus does not save us because we are good, He saves us to make us good.
    
    Having said that I must take your side in that our obedience to his word gives witness to our faith. Only he who obeys believes.

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       Righteous Atheistposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       So saving you from the Scary Super Daddy makes you "good" huh? He who obeys believes? Sounds dangerous to me. Obeys what exactly?

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       krillcoposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Sorry Bishop, I am a sinner (disobedience) and always will be, but I am a believer, and am saved. The witness is in his forgiveness and continuing to love me despite my being unworthy.

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       MissMelissaKposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       ...‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name,  cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you;  depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ Mat 7:22-23

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       celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       krill-  if you are a sinner then you ARE NOT  A CHRISTIAN.   Yes Christians do sin but they do not do it as a lifestyle.  scripture says we are no longer sinners (were not a people but are now God;s people)
       Col 1:21-23   1 Peter 2:9-10

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    lone77starposted 11 years ago

    Bravo! Great question. And this is so spot on.
    
    I ran into one guy at a Christmas party 6 years ago who was so stoked that he was saved, but now he could do anything. His minister said so.
    
    The problem with that attitude is that he is now following Ego, rather than Christ. He can have only one master, and he has chosen to follow his own dark heart -- ego.
    
    Paying lip service to Christ, but turning your back on him is not what Jesus had in mind.
    
    We all need to remain humble and hungry for answers. There is still so much more to learn. We need to be fearful of falling off the narrow path. So many Christians have also found biblical literalism and cling to its "easy" and "lazy" method of interpreting scripture. 2 Cor. 3:6 warns against the literal, for the letter leads to death. Only the spirit of scripture can lead to everlasting life. We can only find the spirit hidden beneath the literal by humility and hunger. That wakes work!

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       celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       yes I lost a dear friend that was assured by his "hireling pastor" that it was ok he did not need to repent for being a drunk because he had "Walked the aisle"  as a teenager so he was saved.  such garbage from the folks in the pulpits.

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    david scurlockposted 11 years ago

    being Good is a tricky proposition....it depends on what reasons you are being good....are you doing it to make yourself look good? are you being good because you dont want to get into trouble? are you being good because you think that if your good outweighs your bad then God will forget your bad? or are you being good because you feel good and want to help out your fellow man because you love him or her?
       The bible says in Christianity that SALVATION is dependent on one thing ...FAITH that Jesus died for your sin penalty of death in your place...do you trust him in that regard?  the apostle Paul said that he was a Jew under the Law and followed the law and it got him nowhere its only purpose was to show him how depraved he was.and that he couldnt fulfill it...if your faith is under the law then you have to live  and die by the law, meaning if you break even one part of the law you are guilty of the whole law..but if you are under grace means that Jesus died to fulfill the blood sacrifice of the law to atone for our sin...MAN is made in sin and cannot stop sinning of his own trying..because then we are being fleshy in our trying thus have room for boasting...religion is mans attempt to reach God ..Jesus is Gods attempt to reach man...works have to do with our RESPONSE TO THIS LOVE ...and are a good thing but has nothing to do with if God loves us or not....he loves us while we are sinners..and our righteousness is like filthy rags next to Gods..but if we let Jesus and the Holy Spirit teach us all things and change us from the inside to the outside then we will change our feelings and outlook...and begin to Love others and have a true response unto Good WORKS...thus giving glory to God and not US...we should always keep in our minds that we are depraved sinners who by Gods mercy have obtained grace..lest we fall into the temptation of Pride and thinking we are good which we are not....and humbly help our brother when he stumbles and accept his correction when we stumble..being good and obedient will come when we keep our eyes on Jesus and worry about loving our neighbor so Gods will is done on the earth and we live our part in the Kingdom of God ...if we walk as if the Kingdom is a reality this will be a good witness to the world and we will do Gods will without even knowing it as the Holy Spirit prompts us and gives us Utterance..we will see things the way God does and get angry at what makes HIM angry and stand up for what HE stands up for.....GOD BLESS

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    MissMelissaKposted 11 years ago

    I differ slightly in that it is faith with abiding in him and not faith alone.  John 15:16 Jesus says that if anyone does not abide in me he is cast out.  Abide means to obey Christ. Not abiding in Christ has serious consequences.  In Matthew 5:17 Jesus states clearly that he did not come to abolish the law, he came to fulfill the law of the prophets.

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       celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       correct--  all scripture works together

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    celafoeposted 11 years ago

    yes maam, you are correct.  ANd on hubpages it is rampant along with all the other old and some new false doctrines. 
    And to answer your question , I am not only concerned but I spend considerable time refuting some of this false docrtine, but it upsets people because they want to believe what they want to believe, and most are in bondage to a "church" and  believe the lie that they must believe whatever their "pastor" says is true.. They do not want their "sacred cows" butchered, but scriptures say this is to be done so we must do as Paul charged timothy.
    2 Tim 4:1-5  I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: 2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 5 But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
    
    Unless we refute the false teachings with scripture in context, some will continue to believe them and others will accept them.    This is not acceptable  so we must show truth. and then they can make an informed choice if they are interested in the truth.    and if they are not, once they have been given the truth and reject it they are responsible for it.   And those that prefer to believe the false and reject the truth will end up having a strong delusion from God that they will have to believe the lies and be unable to accept the truth.   
    2 Thess 2:8-12    The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
    
    We cannot make anyone believe the truth but we are obligated to present the truths so they are responsible for it and can make an informed decision.

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       MissMelissaKposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       So spot on.  Thank you for your commentary.  I really appreciate it.  The Truth is not very palatable to some people and unfortunately that will be to their downfall.  I learned that the error of my ways was due to twisting God's Word to my liking.

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       celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       melissa, sister, keep standing on the truth and following HIM as you are  doing then there is no worry

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