Why? the human race exists? Is NOT a collective meaning. We DEFINE ourselves and our own life. There isn't a collective meaning, and never can be, when we all have individual consciousness and consciences that can lead us astray.
Meaning for Life is in the hands of the individual and always has been.
Well,lets just start with you.I know you do not believe in God.How can you possibly believe that all things just happen to fall in order? Billions upon billions of events occouring instantly.Billions timesxxxxxxxxxxx all over our universe.There`s billions of galaxies with billions of stars.Billions of people on this little earth.Everything runs in perfect harmony.How?
Yes, you're right. You don't, because you're not sure of what perfect harmony is - let alone known it when you see it?
It's a concept that most people cannot grasp, because they can not see it in their surroundings.
Yet, when you look at the trees being blown by the wind or watch a river of running water, you are witness to perfect harmony. Something HUMANS cannot achieve, because each one of us been told we will never be perfect, no matter how hard we try.
But, then again- look at WHO is telling you are unworthy of things? Religion and it's deceitful practices.
The deceit- a mystical realm where only "GOD" resides.
When in FACT - religion and all other occult disciplines are to reach oneness with oneself. That's Enlightenment.
Enlightenment is consciousness. Complete awareness and sense of one's life, it's value, it's meaning and the ability to understand it.
You want to know - How everything lines up? How everything works?
That's a bit much don't you think? There's a lot of information that goes into explaining such things, and cannot be simply explained by one definite answer.
So, I'll have to make this brief:
The Universe came to be. Science has proven this. Science, specific "space exploration" is still in it's infant stages. But, mapping our own galaxy is almost finished. I recently did some research on that.
As for - Why does the Universe exist? Is only a question theologians and mystics use to keep the argument of 'god' going, as it has.
Why the Universe exists? Isn't a question need ever be answered.
How the Earth came to be? Science has proven that too.
That's just like, the Moon that orbits Earth- if it wasn't where it is...Would life on Earth be much different? Sure it would. Severely different.
Why does the moon obrit Earth and How it was formed? Were defined by science.
Where did mankind come from? Obviously, this question has still to be answered by science. How ever, a mystical explanation isn't the answer either, because the mystical realm for which you want to use for explanation is ALSO not defined by science.
Does Evolution Really Factual Science? Yes, it is, simply based on the HUMAN BEINGS that inhabit Earth. We are walking examples of Evolution.
I'm trying to keep my posts smaller. I'm getting complaints that I post too long of statements.
Just the moon orbiting the earth.Gravity is just a scientific term.It...can`t really be proven.It`s a theory.Just a word.What makes all things(planets)be suspended?How does our galaxy rotate every 365 days and come back to the same place?There just has to be more.Just because it`s drawn out on paper and we think we know the answer,that to me is not absolute proof.
Okay, so now you're telling me- the basis for all science is just a theory and absolutely none it is accurate?
I just want to make sure I have your position. Because, the second you claim GRAVITY is only a theory, then you've thrown everything else science has done out the window.
Because, humankind's science works inconjuction with Gravity as a variable. And, if you're going to dismiss Gravity as not scientific fact? Then, science doesn't actually exist and it's a scam like the bible.
We know something exists,we just call it gravity.But what is it really.No ,I don`t wish to disregard science.I guess maybe my mind is more in the mystic tonight.As I once told a man,"I was thinking the opposite of what I was thinking."
Hmmmmm, I didn't catch the trick question..... I believe there is other life out there, there is NO WAY we are the only race of people or whatever. And yes, I am a faithful believer. But I was raised half atheist, half I don't give a $hit. So I am capable of viewing things from different points.
hmmm, interesting Misty. I think I mentioned in another forum (somewhere) that children should be subjected to all points of view and then make their decision without any parental influences. I'm curious..with your personal experiences, what's your point of view on my statement?
sorry, exhales, absolutely. I believe that 100%. It's how I plan to raise my children. I will let them know my points of view but will allow them to research and make their own decision, of course, I don't think I would really do that until they were a bit older.
to further explain, children, toodlers need something to believe in and it's up to the parents to provide that in the initial years but come puberty, come curosity, so that's when I think it's okay to let them make their own decisions about their beliefs, political stance, or sexuality... whatever it happens to be.
Cagil...you're making more enemies than you are friends here, man. Why is everything a personal attack...on YOU? How about this...why don't you step off that large ass pedestal you have built for yourself and literally come back down to Earth? What's your obsession with having everyone agree with you? Just STOP!
Calm down! It really is not THAT SERIOUS!!! It's on every forum, man!
I agree with you most of the time. There are just a few things we vary on, which is all subject to interpretation...I'm just tired of hearing it! I'm not one to try to subject my whole belief system upon everyone. If someone asks me a question I'll answer it, but I'm not going to go into elaborate detail.
<<<<<<<the last humanist...I believe everyone should have the right to believe whatever they want..ignorant or not. There are some days I wish could wash away my thought process. Where I could go blindly into a religion and not ask questions. I cannot. Soooo, in the meantime, I just like to have fun!...a lot...or try to
we'll let's see, as I said, I was raise half athesist and all that, my father was a scientist, my mother was just there.... I went to a Lutheran school and then to a Baptist school, all while attending a Methodist church (which I am still a member of) so I don't wanna pick one
I never said I believed in God...the fact is, "I don't know"...And all the research in the world cannot prove otherwise. So, what's the point? You want global change? Where there are over 1 billion Catholics (alone), in the world? What, change one person at a time?
sorry, power shutdown and of course I had to respond!
I understand where you are coming from and I cannot say that I disagree with you. I will say this, I never blame anyone else for what I do...I'm about as honest, maybe too honest, as anyone can get. And it's funny that you would mention 'sheep', because I am anything but "with the crowd". But you are right. I am oblivious of many things, and I admit it. See, I wasn't questioning your belief. I'm questioning your motive. I quietly search for inner truth. I take in many points of view and then evaluate. Have I gone full circle? No. I'm taking my time. And that's why I oppose you. You can't have fun and take on responsibility?
misty...i think I'm searching for real meaning...just a simple why really. Evolution is not an answer. And worshipping a God is not an answer. Why is there existence?...I don't want know how, where, when...just why.
Evolution does not attempt to answer that question. It is a scientific fact. Sadly - people who believe in God (or some of them) are unable to grasp the truth that some people "believe" in things for reasons other than faith.
Evolution happens but will not explain "why". God - one god of the many to choose from may or may not exist. If He does , He does not get a pronoun and does not interfere in the process of evolution. The Christian God almost certainly does not exist - his fan club is enough to convince me of that. Agnosticism is the closest to REALITY.
But I do love taking an absolute position and listening to all religionists shouting about proof! And arguing that if you cannot 100% disprove a negative it must be true. Therefore their god is the one true god.
Sheeple who beleeb in jeebus sure are funny.
Every time one of them tells me he has the truth and mentions "liberal idiots" a few sentences later I am further convinced that their fairy tail is just that. It hasn't made sense since the day I learned to read for myself.
Thanks - that is the intention. Sadly I had to adopt this persona after some pretty vitriolic "fan mail" from some of the believers. I cannot seem to get through to them that of they do not want their beliefs laughed at - they should not have such funny beliefs.
Evolution happens. There is no question about this and anyone who argues against it is defending a ridiculous faith based belief that has now been disproven. The christian god did not create us a few thousand years ago in our present form.
Anything else they say on any subject is therefore worthless because they are unable to make a rational decision and the fact that they survived this long is testament to the "random" aspect of the evolutionary process. Eventually human females will refuse to mate with this type and they will die out. It might take a while all the time they insist on teaching their little children to ask jeebus to forgive them at age three.
As to answering the question "why?" - I personally do not think this is answerable. And the sensible answer is - "It doesn't matter if you cannot answer it."
The only reason we have gods is because a lot of people are not satisfied with not having an answer - and this is a really, really easy answer that requires no thought or effort on their part. It is even written down in a book that some preacher will explain to you word for word. Not that they agree - but that is not important - what is important is that they have an answer.
We all feel an existence beyond ourselves. That is the rest of life and we are a part of it. There are many ways to connect to this in a stronger fashion. Sweat lodges, fasting, ritual prayer, chanting, drumming, kundalini yoga - many ways. None of which will answer why? - But may lead you to see that an answer is unnecessary once you can let go the fear of death.
The term "christian" applies solely to those people who think this is actually a god. And further - we are born in sin and this god needed to become his own son and die for us an a cross that never was.
Once you have done a little research and realize this entire story was concocted for monetary reasons and to combat JC's (Julius Caesar) claim to divinity, the whole thing makes a lot more sense.
I'm not quite sure how to counter that one, your first statement makes perfect sense, the second befuddels me a little and the 3rd I can see.... sooooo, why can't christian be a word to relate, simply, to a larger exsistence but our own? Who made that rule?
The bible and Christians made the rule. You cannot be a christian if you do not accept jesus christ as............... well - there are lots of different christian cults and they do not all agree - hence the wars.
Just the word 'christian' is religious tone, nevermind the actual religion.
And, I think it is a horrific crime perpetuated by the church to incorporate his(Jesus Christ) teachings.
Why? Because, my research say- Yes he was a man. Yes, he did live. Yes, he did have followers.
But, he was NOT a prophet, he was NOT a god in any terminology, he was NOT even a religious minister.
He was a teacher of consciousness. The people he worked with, were NOT conscious to begin with. Hence, the religious terms, it was all Jesus Christ had to work with for a primitive language, in order to get the people to become conscious individuals.
He spoke in CODE to his disciples, so NOT to angry the religious leaders of his time. To no avail- they executed him, because they didn't want to take any chances.
And things have not changed as much as we like to think.
Like politicians today, he was a member of the ruling class, had no real power and was disposable the moment he threatened the status quo. As was the other JC - Julius Caesar - who ended up dead in much the same fashion.
Politics and money.
Imagine the leader of the money changers was actually the son of God. That is some powerful juju worth stamping out if you are the one minting the gold coins.
I am still keen to know where your research for your assertion that people were "not conscious," comes from.
Other than why?...hmm, how does someone, like myself, become greater than what they really are? I would love to make a difference (the whole one man can...thing), but I don't know how. Or where to begin.
I know I'm always searching for knowledge, more and more everyday. It can be useless, it can be fun...but always knowledge. I love history, the sciences, politics, arts, literature...pretty much name it, I seek knowledge in it. But all I'm doing is improving..myself. How to be great...ahhh..there it is. And I'm not talking about vanity here.
Accept that Universe simple exists. Science has told how it come to be.
Second, understand- life simply exists. We can about, because Earth to be what it is. Earth creator for life.
Now- Why are you here? Why were you born?
These two questions are for you to answer- but, I might be able to lend a hand.
Why are you here? This can be taken two different ways- (a) you are here because you were born, or (b) You have yet to pick a purpose for your own life.
Why were you born? Ask your parent why they had you. That will be the end of that.
This part is the hardest part about life to explain. No knowledge is ussless. Nothing of the things you learn is ever useless. You might not have a use for them now- but, could possibly have a need for it later.
I have found that I use my eyes to absorb, just as much as my mind, knowledge in everything I see. I pay very close attention to all the details/encounters I have with people outside, and right after I'm done interacting with them- I run the entire event back thru mind and see what I learned.
Then, I go on with my life. It only takes a second, to look introspectively, and then go about your life.
What you learn is remarkable, as long as you pay attention to the details. And, I mean everything.
To my understanding, we each live on a different clarity level.
Which effects our learning process. You're not taught how to think - everything around teaches you what to think. Everything that isn't teaching what to think, is trying sway how you think, so they(whomever) can benefit from your efforts or from your bank account.
The other thing you were talking about- How to make a difference(being you are only one person)? Is to think positively that you can and will make a difference.
You have to have your own spiritual uplift, and it must come from your effort. If you're trying to change the world, then you start small, and work it until it grows.
Learn whatever you can about owning or running a business. This will help lead to other things, like knowledge of charities and non profit companies, and what they do or how they help society.
If you're unable to own a business, then I would suggest looking to opportunities for community activities. Something that can build a strong relationship with those around you. And, work your way outward.
I'm going to be posting a more detail array of hubs, which will include additional findings about life. How ever, my research isn't specifically set up, so I can just publish out right.
My research was originally for my knowledge and understanding only. But, once I got my answers- I was overwhelmed with what I learned, I was compelled to venture outward.
Evolution Guy wrote... The bible and Christians made the rule. You cannot be a christian if you do not accept jesus christ as............... well - there are lots of different christian cults and they do not all agree - hence the wars.
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