Do we need God to know that we exist?

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   Darrell Robertsposted 11 years ago

   Do we need God to know that we exist?

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   calynbanaposted 11 years ago

   Depends on what you believe. As a Christian who believes that God created us I would say yes. We need Him to exist, let alone to know we exist.
   
   It comes down to what we believe. I would say yes, and I believe it whole heartedly, however I would have no way of proving it to anybody else.

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   duffsmomposted 11 years ago

   As a Christian, I believe that we are created by God so I would say that he knows we exist.  Do we need it?  Absolutely.

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   Ericdierkerposted 11 years ago

   No way Jose'
   Think of love and she/he do not know you exist. That is OK. We don't need them to know until we are ready. But she danged sure in fact
   does know. Do not wait for her to confess it.
   My mama loved me before i existed. We do not need God to know squat, God does. Need is irrelavant.

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   Dantex460posted 11 years ago

   What god? We cannot truly know that we exist, we can only make assumptions based on what we know i.e. I think therefore I am.

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      An AYMposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I think we can all safely assume we exist by merit of existing.
      If only thinking denotes presense, then the comatose, very drunk, or those "Zoning Out" cease to exist for some time.  And passing out drunk gets you scribbled on.  With real scribbles!

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      SidKempposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Actually, traditional Buddhist philosophy says that the notion of existence and the idea "I exist" are errors at the root of suffering. We know that we experience. Creating the notion of existence is an extension that might well be an error.

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      Darrell Robertsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      My thoughts are I exist right here right now that is a undisputable fact.  I know I am, I do not think about being, I am now. There should be no dobt in your own existence.

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      Dantex460posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Physical properties in dreams seem real too, but it did not exist only an illusion of realism as far as I know.

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      SidKempposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Darrel: The Buddhist perspective has now doubt about ourselves. But it does question: What do we mean when we say "be" or "exist"? We all hold the idea, but is it true or healthy to do so? Darrell: some Hindu & Buddhist systems see life as a drea

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   dghbrhposted 11 years ago

   For me God needs to know that we love him and we do care for what he created for us, the precious nature.
   Thanks

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      yourdecisionposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      he knows it anyway.

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   edhanposted 11 years ago

   Our faith and belief has gone beyond the physical plane. It is what you can sense the presents of God and God has the same connection with all of us.
   
   Now I am in search of finding the way of enlightenment where I will no longer be reborn but instead in the kingdom of heaven as spirit form.

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   nightwork4posted 11 years ago

   not in the least. i'm an atheist and i know i exist. god is just a word, nothing more so it's irellevant for anything .

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   phillippeengelposted 11 years ago

   Whether there is a God or not, we have already come into existence out of our mothers' wombs, so we will know that we are existing. Our mothers are Gods themselves.

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      yourdecisionposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      you are kidding right?

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      Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Other than a relation to Mother Mary, I would really like to know the logic behind this comment -- please.

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    bunnypoetaposted 11 years ago

    René Descartes simply said:
    
    "I think, therefore I exist"
    
    As soon as we realize that we exist, the answer for your question is found.
    
    God only arrives towards our consciousness once we embrace the religion beliefs realm, but before that we have already concluded that we exist.
    
    So:
    
    Under these circumstances of factual knowledge we don't need God to know that we exist.
    
    Best Wishes
    
    Bunnypoeta >)=

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       SidKempposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Historical note: Descartes began with this presupposition, "I think, therefore I exist," and, based on that alone, proved the existence of God. So Descartes would disagree with you.

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       Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Cojito Ergo Sum is what Descartes, the the great logical mathematical wrote. As he was cockled by some royalty lady or another the "exists" translation is post Descartes. The proper translation is "am". The words have a mathematical linguistic logic.

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       bunnypoetaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I am not disagreeing or agreeing that God exists. I am simply being clear that: Once you create/generate your first thought, you acknowledge that you exist, that’s why I mention René Descartes phrase. Don Quixote also assumed many things. Don't assum

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       An AYMposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Just because someone fancy and dead implied you acknowledge your existence with your first thought doesn't mean you do.  There are a lot of different levels and types of thought depending on the owner of the brain.

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       Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Cogito Ergo Sum is - not properly translated as "I exist". It is "I am". Exist is more corporal where as am is more metaphysical.
       Descartes is important through this question because of the concept of "to know" which is different than know.

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    SidKempposted 11 years ago

    "God" is part of many thinking systems, and, in those systems that believe in a Creator God, obviously, we would not exist if we were not created, and we would not know we exist if we did not exist. So, for those who believe in a Creator God, including Jewish, Christian, and Muslim people, the answer would be yes.
    
    Other faiths, including Hinduism, name God as Sat-Chit-Ananda, which means Being-Awareness-Bliss. Since "knowing we exist" is another way of saying "being aware of our being," there, too, if God is Awareness and Existence, then we need God to know we exist.
    
    Others, including Therevadan Buddhists, are agnostic about the existence of God, but hold that Awareness is indeed a sacred and wonderful quality. So, again, that which some call "God" is associated with Awareness.
    
    My conclusion: We are Aware and that is an amazing, sacred truth. Some use the word God in relation to it. Others don't, but Awareness remains sacred and amazing, whether acknowledged or not.

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       An AYMposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I really like that notion of "Awareness" as the foundation for our concept of god.  I personally think it makes a lot of sense in regards to our concept of the self and divine and where meditation typically takes people.

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    An AYMposted 11 years ago

    I think we needed it to know that we are existing "Correctly" once we understood that there are different ways to exist.  Religion becomes the identity not for the physical, but for the conscious self.

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    Peanutritiousposted 11 years ago

    I definitely exist and there is no god in my life so your question seems rather bizarre.

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       Darrell Robertsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I thought the question was bizarre, but there are some people who question their own existence.  THere are other people who think that they are the only person who really exist.

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    connorjposted 11 years ago

    Since God is independent and we are dependent on Him I assume that indeed we need God to know that we truly exist (although we are far from aware of this, here on the Blue Planet)...

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    Agnes Pennposted 11 years ago

    No.  We need God to exist.  And then we know Him.

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