Basically, If the bible teaches that all have sinned and fallen short of God, Then if all sin is bad then all are deserving of hell. By that logic would it then mean that whomever is saved from hell is saved unjustly Since we all should be punished?
But one thing I always have to remember is that messages can get lost when translated from one language to another. Also, some versions of the Bible are translations of translations interpreted to suit the writer of certain versions.
This would be true if Christ, the perfect Son of Man, had not died on the cross for the sins of those who believe this. However, the answer to your question is "no" because Christ by having died for the sins of mankind, justifies those who believe this, accepting this gift of His sacrifice for them.
SOM - The gift is indeed free to us, but we must accept/receive it in order for it to benefit us. See John 1:9. Side note: the gift is free to us, but it cost Jesus His life. Where does the Bible say the gift has ALREADY been given to us?
Oops. I meant John 1:12. Also, to your last question to deepes, I think the answer can be found in John 3:18: ...whoever does not believe (in Jesus) is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
Ok, I have to retract some previous statements that I made regarding the existence of eternal punishment for sinners (at least I'm pretty sure I made some at some point) because I based these statements on logic, not Scripture.
After doing some research into this whole torment in hell for an eternity (thanks to the countless questions being asked here) I have come to a conclusion: God does not punish non-believers for an eternity in hell. Sorry, but the Scriptures do not back this theory (which came from the Dark Ages might I add).
I don't want to go on and on about each Scripture, but I will as briefly as I can make my points (and I also want to say that I am willing to admit I may not be completely right here):
The big issue seems to stem from the translation of the Hebrew word "Sheol" and the translators idea of picking and choosing to translate this word to hell when Scripture speaks of evil people but then changing it to mean "the grave" or "pit" when used in Scripture referencing righteous people (if anyone wants specific instances of this I will be happy to provide Scriptures, since there are plenty).
Romans 6:22 says the wages of sin is.... (drum roll please).. death. Oops! Doesn't say eternal torture or punishment.
Another good one is Revelation 20:13- "Death and hell (hades) delivered up the dead which were in them." Uhh, wha?? This not only says that there are "dead" people in hell, but that hell now delivered them for judgement?
With regard to the lake of fire or Gehenna... the fires were always burning in this garbage dump that existed (and which Christ used as an example so people would understand) to do what? Destroy garbage! If you burn garbage does it burn forever? Noo. They threw bodies of dead animal carcasses in this as well of the bodies of criminals. Why would Jesus use this example if it meant burning forever and ever? That makes no sense.
Note Matthew 10:28- "But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Doesn't say "torment" it says destroy.
There is so many holes in this eternal damnation stuff...
Let's use Luke 12:47 & 48- "And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few."
What happened to one punishment fits all? That would make null the laws of the OT with regard to punishment fitting the crime.
Actually no, I was taught that people die in the second death and just simply no longer exist, but I was listening to a certain preacher and he preached hell fire and it made me question what I was taught. So I checked what the Scripture says!
Praise God. He has freed you from this doctrine. When you wrote "I am willing to admite I am wrong", That was me 4 years ago. When we allow our selves the possibility of being wrong, we get a better understanding of who God is.
JT, Your comment seems to be judgmental to me. Who said we think we are wiser than those who translated the bible? If you study languages will find that messages get lost in translation. Let me ask you this, What version of the bible do you use?
Rev 20:15 says that unbelievers (those not in the book of life) are cast into the lake of fire (Gehenna) it does not state that they burn for an eternity. Gehenna fire (literal) burned to destroy what was cast into it.
renegadetory, Thanks for your response on Rev 20:15. I see more where you are coming from now . You have a point that in 20:10 the Devil and cohorts are said to be tormented forever but 20:15 does not say that about unbelievers.
According to received Church wisdom, all of humanity deserves to be sent to hell? Why? What have we as individuals done that's so wrong that eternity of torture or annihilation is the reward?I'm sure the average Hubber...
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