Why do people need a 'god' to love?

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   sandra rinckposted 14 years ago

   Is there something wrong with you that you cannot love people without a god?
   
   Is there something wrong with people who don't need god to love?
   
   Is there something wrong with people who can love the 'godless'?
   
   Why not just love?

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      DogSiDaedposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I have nothing to say to this, except well done.
      
      And there it should be left, but I have a feeling this could evolve into another religious debate... We just need to wait for the right/wrong people to get here...

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      sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      No.
      Yes.
      No.
      Maybe.

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         Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I'm impressed.  No spelling errors

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            L. Andrew Marrposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            HAHAHAHAHA
            
            Sorry, I laughed so hard at that
            Mean but funny

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               sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               All right! You can start the line right here to Bite Me!

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                  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Did Santa bring you Spellcheck for Christmas?  You must have been a very good boy.

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            Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            

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      h.a.borcichposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi Sandra,
      
        For me, I love people because of God.
        For me, it is natural to love God.
        To me - we are all people and I try to be kind to everyone. Not all of my friends go to church or have any faith at all. Many of the people I have become friends with on HubPages are all over the map in what they do and don't believe. It isn't my job to prove what I believe or that I convince anyone to believe anything.
        Every day I try to love people more than the day before. I try to treat people better than they treat me, because it helps me focus on the helping people.
         Take care, Holly

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      aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      God IS love. So,
      Why not God?

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      cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      yes, our lives are meaningless and without purpose and we are incapable of loving anyone including our children, nature, pets, or ourselves because we are soluless heathens who will burn in hell for eternity.
      
      (that is how smug christians (not all christians - there are some really nice ones out there) view people who do not believe in the christian god).

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         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I think that is spot on. Most atheists and other non believers have religious family members and have agreed to disagree with them. You have said directly what some keep trying to sell. That we are somehow unable to love because we do not follow their belief leaving many astonished at how anyone could come to such a concluion! soulless heathens indeed!

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      Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

        Being relatively new to this christian craziness, I keep asking myself similar questions Your Majesty

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      starme77posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      God Is Love

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      lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      to fill a void that was never validated growing up and I agree you can just love Thanks

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         zampanoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         a Godess is always better than a god...

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            alexandriaruthkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            GOD is better he can give you goddess

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   AEvansposted 14 years ago

   Even though I honestly do believe it certainly does not make someone bad because they do not believe, all of us should love one another but we know it is not going to happen.

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      Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      But, do you know....Why it won't happen?

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   L. Andrew Marrposted 14 years ago

   Spreading the love here boss
   
   <3

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   Uninvited Writerposted 14 years ago

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzJ2NKp23WU

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      DogSiDaedposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Haven't heard this in a while!

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   kessposted 14 years ago

   God is everything good.
   
   There is no Good without God.
   
   Loving Good for others is loving God.
   
   You cannot love good for others without God.
   
   For God is the goodness in you.
   
   The Son of Good is Truth.
   
   Truth is the Christ.

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      Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Sad that you feel this way.
      
      I pity you.

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         Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         And Sandra - I think it is the other way around. The question is. "Why to people need a god to love them?"
         
         And the answer is - because they do not love themselves.

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            GeneralHowitzerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Loving is unconditional, I think your post make sense
            

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            sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Touche'

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      Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah................................ and more Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah..................

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         Bovine Currencyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I second that motion

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            tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Third !

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      getitriteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      This is all delusional nonsense.  In the real world, God has NOTHING to do with love, goodness, or truth, because God is imaginary!!!

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   earnestshubposted 14 years ago

   Ah yes the all loving, knowing all seeing god...
   
   If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through.   (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
   
   This is the sort of crazed thinking in the bible.

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      aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Joh 3:16-20
      16  For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
      17  For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
      18  He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
      19  And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. (emphasis mine.)
      20  For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

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         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Well I always get a giggle out of the thou shalts and doeths! You should see this from where I'm sitting. Hilarious!
         
         Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.  (Exodus 21:15 NAB)Very humane and logical of course!

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   aka-djposted 14 years ago

   Sorry about the "thee's and thou's". It's the only version I have on computer.
   (I just happen to be one who never had a problem understanding it, right from day one. Strange, that.)
   
   Anyhow, you missed  the meaning of the scriptures, as usual, and post your weird obscure verses.
   Oh well

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      earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      They are weird aren't they? Straight from the "good book"

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      Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      And WHEN is anyone who uses that book going to READ that everything Is NOT in that Book ALONE?
      Just more blah, blah, blah and more blah, blah, blah of people telling you what it does NOT say in that book.  Oh IGNORE those parts to statisfy WHOM???? SELF! Yourselves and Not whom you are supposed to LOVE.
      
      Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah
      
      Love comes from the heart, not from a book or words...

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   fun2hubposted 14 years ago

   So much of LOVE all over this thread

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      aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      If they could all just see it MY WAY, it would be all GOOD.

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         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Very funny aka! I find I can enjoy a laugh at your expense!

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            aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Thanks. So my sense of humor does come through. I'm pleased.

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               earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               It is good of you to pull it back a bit. I must sleep soon, it is very late here in Melbourne, and I need sleep.
               Goodnight and may you and yours be safe and happy!

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   Valerie Fposted 14 years ago

   Liking someone is a feeling. To love someone is a choice, and it's genuine when it's not motivated by personal liking.
   
   I think people need a God to love because the human capacity for love depends on looking beyond ourselves and directing our benevolence outward.

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      marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      This was pretty deep. Is this the main reason people choose to believe in a God is for purpose beyond themselves?

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         Valerie Fposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I only said that's a reason people need God. I'm not sure, but I have reason to suspect that the main reason people believe in God is because they interpret a variety of things and events as evidence that God is real.

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            marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Faith is not evidence. Logic is evidence. I think you hit something on the purpose though. I think many choose to believe in something higher than whats known through faith simply to fill a purpose for life.

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    Lady Guinevereposted 14 years ago

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd_qeEKtD4U

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    Valerie Fposted 14 years ago

    Logic is not evidence. It is only a tool for interpreting evidence.

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       marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       And what does faith before logic do in searching for that evidence?

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          sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Are you guys kidding me?  What does logic or faith have to do with love?  Either your feelin' it or your not.  'nough said.
          
          hugs and kisses to both.

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             marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             I love you! But, love is not logical. I still love you though.

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                sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                exactly! 

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    Valerie Fposted 14 years ago

    Again confusing love with like. To like someone is not necessarily logical. However, if you wish for everyone's betterment and well-being, not only is love logical, it ultimately is the only logical thing to do.

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       marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       If there are 10 suicide bombers that want to blow you up, do you love them?

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          sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I love them enough to not want them to hurt me, themselves or anyone else.

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             marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Love wouldn't stop them from blowing up innocent people. lol

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                Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Actually, IF they 'loved' humanity and valued life out of their love, then no they wouldn't kill or murder people.

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                   marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Everyone has a different idea of love. They could be blowing people up out of love for their God.

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                      sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      Is it really love then? 
                      
                      Which one is greater.  A love that doesn't want revenge or a love that manifest vengeance for what they love? 
                      
                      Love is definitely an aspect.  He killed my kid, now I will kill him back.
                      
                      Or, he killed my kid yet I know he is someone elses kid.  I may be very angry and miserable and think of all sorts of tortures I could to someone that would take what I love off the face of the planet, yet I am compelled enough out of love for life that doing so would hurt another innocent person.

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                      Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      IF people are blowing up people for the God, then it is obvious that they don't understand anything of life.

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                      Valerie Fposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      Doubt that. God forbids murder.

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                         sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         If this were so then it wouldn't happen.  God himself, according to the bible is also a murderer.
                         
                         Not really trying to get into a debate about that though especially when you believe that the only way you can love is to love god.

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                            Valerie Fposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                            Then why bring it up? God, being the Creator of the Universe has the right to do anything. We don't. The act of murder is the ultimate in playing God with another person's life. Usurping divine authority.

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                               marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                               It's kinda hard for your God to be a role model of love when he goes around killing people that make him angry. I keep a logical mind not to kill people when I am angry. Does your God not understand logic? I love you.

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                               sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                               And why defend a murderer?

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                                  Valerie Fposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                  I'd be a horrible attorney, actually. I offer no defense for people who play God with other people's lives. That being said, it's not "playing God" if you are God.

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                                     BadCompanyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                     Valerie I used to like ya but ya know what, ya talk a load of crap !

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                                        Valerie Fposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                        Got anything better than "You're not my friend any more?" How about some reasons? What about anything I've said is "a load of crap"?

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                               Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                               Did you ask God that?

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                   sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Exactly.

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    lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago

    People don't need God to love they choose God to love

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    RFoxposted 14 years ago

    I don't need a God to love! :-)
    I just choose to love.

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    marinealways24posted 14 years ago

    Maybe if everyone loved and respected their conscience, they wouldn't need to make up a God to fill a belief void.

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    sneakorocksolidposted 14 years ago

    Not a god, the God.

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       marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       And you claim intelligent design.

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          sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          You already know how I think and I don't have time now to get into a big debate I have home teaching tonight.

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             marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             The Christian God is not the only God people believe in. There are many different beliefs of a God. If one God was absolute, I think all would believe the same things.

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    ragnaworksposted 14 years ago

    Love is not dependent on any one person or entity. Love is a concept that exists all on its own. And both good and evil people are equally capable of love. For instance, there have been leaders who were ruthless towards their people, yet very loving and caring towards their family. Conversely, there have been leaders who were very benevolent and caring towards their people, yet neglectful and indifferent towards their family. Nothing is black and white. Life is never that simple. And humans in general are far too complicated to be defined by only one word or concept.

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    sandra rinckposted 14 years ago

    "If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them."
    
    "Whoever is without love does not know God, for God is love."

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       Presigoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Yes the fullness of love is in our ability to love those who dont love us, so very difficult, yet so very awesome !

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          sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          And that people whose religions call sinners for not believing in god are also capable of love and have in them god regardless of whether or not love is a credit to god or to someone else.
          
          Love inside self, love outside self.

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       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       No god, oodles of love,

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    ragnaworksposted 14 years ago

    Love is not exclusive to any belief or group of people. Anyone can feel it or experience it, there is no requirement or prerequisite for doing so. Every human heart is fully capable of both love and hate.

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    marinealways24posted 14 years ago

    I only need "sandra" to love.

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       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       You two would make good bookends! I wonder what books would be in the middle?
       "Storming Heaven" sounds like a good title.

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          marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          "God"?
          
          

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             earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             

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          Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Many of those romance novels, ya know... the ones with Fabio on the cover. Oh man, that would be one bookshelf of sexiness. Not that Fabio is sexy, he's not my type, oh whatever!

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             earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Hi Colebabie! always nice to see you.

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    Jeramiposted 14 years ago

    We no longer need God in order to Love  no more than I need My mom or Dad ; in order to breath, I recieved breath through them  but I no longer need them to breath or to Love.

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