THETRUTHHURTS2009(GARDNER) VS MARK KNOWLES(evolution guy)

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   sandra rinckposted 15 years ago

   Please resubmit your links so we can move on to the next order.
   
   Sufi, what is the next on the list?  We need to decide time lines.  What do you think?

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      Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Next on the list is to decide a format. Sufi proposed a good website with a reasonable list.

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      Sufidreamerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      If Gardner is happy with KJV, I suggest that we use Mark's link for the Bible and they can both resubmit two links each.
      
      We still need the chairman and to make sure that we have a good panel of judges.

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         GardnerOsagieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Why is the version an issue?

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            Sufidreamerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            No idea if it makes any difference - I heard people arguing about it before so wanted to check with you.

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               GardnerOsagieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               I really don't care, but some of the newer bibles tend to paraphase for easy reading, If I had to vote NKJV,KJV NASB, but what will really mattter is context.

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      GardnerOsagieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      These are my final sources!
      
      http://www.trueorigin.org/#ca
      
      http://www.answersingenesis.org/

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   ddoingit1posted 15 years ago

   The dynamics of nurture and nature is defined with nurture alolo living by the mind of eye to the oxegen, the eye seas across the minds diflecting reactions, the all mighty stands in sea and land lands a cross to justify the nurture her justifications, lossing the polarity positive images among the children of Isreal, is the lost ten Commandments Abraham, is a symjbolic lossing languge drinking to loss the lost life of pleasentry across the mind justice never sees the realities.

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   Sufidreamerposted 15 years ago

   1. The topic of the debate.
      2. The opponents of the debate, and what positions they will argue.
      3. The scope of the debate.
      4. The length of the debate, in number of rounds.
      5. Whether statements will be made concurrently or in turns, and if the latter, who goes first.
      6. The maximum length of each statement.
      7. The time limit between statements.
      8. The extent to which quotes and references from outside sources will be allowed.
      9. The starting date of the debate.
     10. Any additional rules or a debate format that debate participants must observe.
   
   http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?t=85871
   
   Anyway folks, time to watch Dexter, so I will be away for the next hour or so

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   GardnerOsagieposted 15 years ago

   Let's get going.

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      marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Did you change your profile picture to praying hands so God will be with you in the debate?
      
      
      If you lose, God doesn't exist. Are you sure you want to do this?

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   sandra rinckposted 15 years ago

   4. The length of the debate, in number of rounds.
   
   Open for suggestions from the participants Mark and truth.

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      GardnerOsagieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      The Affirmative always goes first(that would be me)
      
      Then the Negative gets to cross-examine and asks question to the affirmative
      
      Then the Negative presents their case
      
      Then the Affirmative get to  cross examine and ask the negative questions
      
      The Affirmative does their rebuttal (no new arguments) just refutation
      
      Then the Negative gives rebuttal (no new arguments)  and closing
      
      Then the Affirmative closes
      
      Then you guys vote.

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   habeeposted 15 years ago

   I'm a former debate coach and speech judge. I am, however, a self-proclaimed Christian. On the other hand, I do believe in some form of evolution. I don't see them as mutually exclusive.

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   jenblacksheepposted 15 years ago

   Can I nominate myself as a moderator type? NOT a judge. I have a degree in Philosophy and have been taught logic and how to argue properly. Aaand, I know a lot about religion. I can tell you if your arguments are actually valid (logically valid), or if they're flawed etc, things that should be disregarded/edited (like personal attacks or irrelevant info), whether questions have been answered.
   
   Like I said, I'm not going to judge or comment on the content.
   
   I'd also suggest that once the debate itself is finished each judge is allowed to ask each debator one question, in case they found any part of the debate unclear, or if they just have any questions that could sway their vote.

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      Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      You are fine with me. As long as Gardner agrees - and I like your suggestion.

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      GardnerOsagieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Can you separate the difference between religions and God? And you can honestly say you are unbiased?  I'm fine it, and I too like your suggestion.

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         jenblacksheepposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         I can be unbiased in an argument. It's something I've learnt. I'm not putting my views forward or arguing with either of you, just checking your arguments for flaws etc. I'm not gna play favourites and only pick on one of you.
         
         Yes, I can seperate religion from God. I'm not great at seperating different types of Christianity, but I'm guessing that's not really what you mean. But I can look up anything I don't understand.

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            GardnerOsagieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Okay.

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   mel22posted 15 years ago

   any questions...any questions.. ok touch gloves and  and come out fighting... ROUND 1.. Ding, Ding  .....

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   Jane@CMposted 15 years ago

   I can be impartial, but I have no idea who Garner is?  I'm not on the religion forums enough to know the "aliases".  But I can look at both sides impartially.

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      GardnerOsagieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      It's Gardner, thetruthhurts2009 is my account.
      http://hubpages.com/profile/thetruthhurts2009

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         Jane@CMposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Got it, know who you are now

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    Quilligrapherposted 15 years ago

    I seriously doubt that this debate will resolve the question of God’s existence.
    
    However, I am looking forward to hearing two extreme points of view without having to endure off topic background noise from others that happen to believe that personal attacks really prove their point.
    
    I don’t envy the judges who have taken on the huge task of declaring which is the better debater. 
    
    Who will win? Who will loose?  Most likely, the issues being debated will survive us all.  I have observed that debaters rarely change the opinions of other debaters. For debaters who have researched sound irrefutable facts to support their carefully constructed logical premises are not easily swayed.  As a result, the opinions most likely to be altered by the debate are not those of the participants but, rather, those of the observers.  It is often those who listen in silence with an open mind who leave the debate changed in some way. They observe the behavior of all of the participants. They listen to the dialog.  They judge the value of all of the content and the wisdom of each of the contributors.  In the end, only the observers “win”.

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       Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       A wise man indeed.
       
       I have said on many occasions that I am not speaking to my opponents. These are open forums for all to see.

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       earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Very observant in my view. I agree.

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          B52 Bomberposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          What is this? Settling a feud or something?

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             Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             We like to call it "Inheriting the Windy."
             
             
             As an agnostic I will be closely watching to....... wait a minute, Monday?  Will it be over before Monday Night Football comes on?

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             Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             When Mark loses he has to ask the HubPages administration to open up an Evolution forum category and all atheist are to end their attacks on religion threads in this Religion & Beliefs category or get banned for good.

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                Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                What happens when he wins?

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                   B52 Bomberposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   I just joined a couple hours ago.Don`t know how I got here but it sounds like there is some warring and bickering going on by opposing sides.

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                      marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      Are you a warewolf?

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                         B52 Bomberposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                         I`m actually a little hairier than my picture.

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                         Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                         Nope Marine, he's a "beware" wolf!

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                            B52 Bomberposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                            we`ve actually had several lycanthropes in my family over the last 3 or 4 generations.

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                               Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                               My family has the same problem with vampires!

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                                  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                  

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                Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                Great idea about the Evolution thread

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                   Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   LOLOLOLOLOLo
                   
                   Gawd - you believers are lazy. If you can't regurgitate it or steal it....... Copyright Mark Knowles 2009
                   
                   http://hubpages.com/forum/category/3479

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                   Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   That is soooo funny

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    Pearldiverposted 15 years ago

    So many 'Doubters' here have seen no benefit to this gladiatorial face off.  Why?
    
    This is an organised cockfight, with no third party pecking.
    So irrespective of your personal belief, opinion or feathers... Chill and let the roosters engage each other honourably and intelligently. 
    It is not about what YOU feel.. It is about the depth of debating substance of the two, who willingly agreed to provide eachother an opportunity to understand the fundamentals of THEIR BELIEFS.
    My advice (which may not be welcome) is: "Listen and Learn!" rather than attacking a debate between two clever parties!

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    habeeposted 15 years ago

    So, Randy, does that make you "agnoxious"?

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       Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Nope, I think agnoxious relates to pig farming.

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    mel22posted 15 years ago

    Setting up a match between b52 bombers werewolves and Randy Godwins vampires would be a more entertaining fight to watch. its taken 250 some odd posts just to see what the topic and rules will be.

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       Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Topics and rules, now there's something different.  Next thing, you'll tell me there are judges.

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          Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          There are judges!

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             Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             OH MY _____!!! (Fill in blank with favorite deity or swearword)

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                Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                I was going to be one of the judges, but chose not to participate.

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                   Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   Smart move!  A no win situation, no doubt.

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                   B52 Bomberposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   That one guy didnt want you anyway.

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                      Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      I guess Cagsil was judged as unjudgeworthy.

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          B52 Bomberposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Any zombies around to serve as judges?

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    quietnessandtrustposted 15 years ago

    I shall be the judge of the judges to make sure they judge fairly.

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       Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       And I shall be the judge of the judge judger's!

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          quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          The English here is a little...ummm???...off?
          On purpose?
          
          And I shall be the judge of the judge of the judges.
          
          And I shall be the judge of the judges judge.

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             Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Southern English, invented by my wife the judge, no less. 
             
             
             "Judge not, lest ye become a judge."

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             habeeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Actually, that last one should read: And I shall be the judge of the judges' judge. (plural possessive case)

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                Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                I like the way the word "judgers" feels.

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                quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                I judge that I have been judged by a great judge who judged correctly in judgment of my judging.

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    habeeposted 15 years ago

    Randy LOVES judges - so much so that he married one!

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    habeeposted 15 years ago

    Funny, Quietness! Sometimes it's hard to shake off the English teacher within me. lol.

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    earnestshubposted 15 years ago

    I judge the fundies are gonna get creamed!

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    Paragliderposted 15 years ago

    I've just found and read the whole of this thread. Thanks to those who nominated/seconded me for the chair. I will have to respectfully decline on grounds of time, but if the seat is still vacant, I'd suggest Jenny, (except I haven't seen her for ages).
    
    Prettydarkhorse - thanks for offering to wake me. You might have to shout louder next time

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    Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago

    Has the debate started?
    
    Let me know when it does...

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       Paragliderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I'm expecting it to start in a new thread, unless both protagonists are already exhausted!

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          Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          yeah, I wouldn't doubt the latter

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