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   SparklingJewelposted 16 years ago

   Mohit,
   
   Do you have a guru that you follow? He/she could explain it to you. This "abuse" is a test for you.
   
   Human pride and ego have a point where they need to be relinquished/destroyed. Let Shiva take it from you. Nothing can harm you, only your sense of loss at the relinquishment of the human ego. You have accomplished something big in your life...don't allow others to take from you what you rightfully have attained...give the glory of your accomplishments to God, and hang on to that.
   People's humanity can be all hot air and wind to try to upset you. Stand firm in love and harmony...do not retaliate, that brings you down to levels of the human that are to be overcome. Meekness is not weakness; humility(humbleness) is a virtue. THE greatest power in the Universe is Love...don't forget.

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      SparklingJewelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Be grateful and gracious to the "prods" that propel you on your path of unity with God.

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   sandra rinckposted 16 years ago

   I love the diamond sutra.  Universal complexities are so wonderful, I could get lost for times in the philosophies of the diamond sutra. 

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   gamergirlposted 16 years ago

   The mantra for one person will not be the same as another.
   
   A mantra such as those is generally given from Guru to pupil.
   
   I am, however, not surprised that Mohit is attempting to tell people they must become yoga mantras before they're like him.
   
   *rolls eyes*

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      mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Mantras are universal.This is a seed mantra or a very basic mantra.More than a mantra it is truth.You do not undestand the mantra,neither are you enlightened,I am and you keep trying to tell me what enlightenment is and to top it all you call me arrogant-look whos talking.
      You said you have met some enlightened ones are you allways so rude to them and do you tell them also what enlightenmnet is? 
      Poet Mohit.K.Misra

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         mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         Also this picture was taken without me being aware that I was being photographed from across the restaurant.I have spent years in this position ,it is a very natural photo and I like it.
         Poet Mohit.K.Misra

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   gamergirlposted 16 years ago

   You do not know me, or what I am, or what I know.  I have, several times in this thread and others which you have polluted, provided knowledge and facts.  In exchange, I have been regarded with nothing but a lofty arrogance from you.
   
   I know what a mantra is.  I know how to use them to enhance and influence personal meditations.  The mantras you quoted are personal mantras, obviously, and those should be shared only between a Guru and yourself.  The derivation your first mantra is from is a simple and standard mantra of releasing negativity - I suggest you meditate over it more often, you seem to need it.

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      mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Ok let me explain
      Om Namo Shiva means I bow to Shiva or god
      Shiv Ho hum ,means I am Shiva or God.
      When you become these words you will understand exactly what the scriptures mean and not before that.
      I have passed on knowledge in the other threads which a lot of people have and will appreciate.
      Poet Mohit.K.Misra

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         gamergirlposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         Those words you used-
         
         om namo shiva
         
         is from:  om namo shivaya, or: om namara shivaya
         
         om namo shivaya, or  is a mantra which is (BY YOGIC DEFINITION) a mantra to RELEASE NEGATIVITY.
         
         Shiv Ho Hum is a nontraditional mantra, but moreover is an arrogant statement outside of deep yoga meditations.
         
         Shiv ho hum does not incorporate the sound OM, the sound of creation, but literally CLAIMS oneness with God in totality.
         
         Additionally, whereas other yoga mantras are meant to separate a person from themselves, shiv ho hum is a mantra to use to align directly with God, until spirit and God are synonymous.
         
         A Boddhisattva is not the product of enlightenment.  A Boddhisattva is a person SEEKING enlightenment.
         
         Yoga comes in four traditional paths, or ways.  These are called:
         
         Bhakti Yoga - the path of devotion
         Karma Yoga - the path of good works
         Jnana Yoga- the path of knowledge
         Raja Yoga- the path of contemplation
         
         Which Yoga practice dictates that you must be arrogant, must claim that all must be like you, must claim that you found your enlightenment (salvation) prior to death?
         
         You have lost touch with your Guru, who is essential to remind you that you are NOTHING.  Only by realizing and remembering and living as nothing, recognizing that you, your ego, your self are nothing, do you step further on the path to salvation and true enlightenment upon death.
         
         You see, Mohit, you are not the only person who knows things.  You have lost your way, lost your path, and deviated from good works and devotion.  You now walk a path of spiritual destruction per the teachings of the four paths of Yoga, because you value yourself and your ebook sales and your proclamation with no evidence that you are enlightened.

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            mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            You do not understand and I do not have a guru.
            Shiv Ho Hum is and arrogant statemant for you but not for an enlightened one.It is truth.when you get enlightened you will understand,right now you are too confused.
            Poet Mohit.K.Misra

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               mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

               Ther is no difference between Shiva and Shivaya its like saying ther is a difference betwen Jesus and Jesus Christ.

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            Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            Demonstrating superior knowledge will not do you any good Charlotte.
            
            It is like talking to a brick wall.
            
            The third worst poet in the universe has consistently demonstrated a lack of understanding of just about everything and I wouldn't trust his opinion on the best way to open a tin of sardines. You would probably lose a finger
            
            I am not much of a poetry fan, but if Paraglider says it is worthless, I will go with that.
            
            I have started to report his spam posts, and despite the fact that I helped him not get banned when he arrived, he thinks I have tried to get him banned lol

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               mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

               Try to undestand what you have been doing all along is termed as blasphemy.You come on a religious forum and insult poeple who believe and are sharing their knowledge on god.Do you also go to churches and temples and insult them?

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                  mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                  You are still trying to get me banned, I am not trying to get you banned ,thats the difference between us., A lot of poeple on hubpages have been pissed of with your behavior and have told you so,I will not take your crap.

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                  Crash Jonesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                  Poor Mo doesn't understand that he constantly dismisses others' views of the almighty and is the one who, in his misused take on the word, blasphemes.
                  
                  Hmm ... my turn I guess ....
                  
                  There once lived a boy named Mo
                  In matters religious he proved oddly slow
                  His Karma a-shatter;
                  Perspective a-tatter
                  He wandered proudly not knowing where to go

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   JYOTI KOTHARIposted 16 years ago

   1.The term religion is confusing. Normally it represents a sect Sectarianism did a lot of mischief.
   2.In fact an enligtened one preaches one's experience and shaows the Noble pathto attend it. People folliows him or her for some time and then forget original teachings or path. They just follow the rituals. A sect established in the name of an enlightened is normally called a religion.
   3. If we accept this definition, Religion is nothing to do with spirituality or enlightenment. Hardly it can be used for self developement by following a set of rules.
   4.The term samadhi is used in different ways in different sects of Indian spirituality. it is a condition or status of meditation in most of vedic philosophy. In Buddhist meditation process "Vipassana", it is awareness of respiration. This is the 1st stage of vipassana meditation before attending panyya.
   5.The term nirvaana is used by all sects in India.In general Hindus use it for death where as for Buddhists it is end of worldly life. Only a Buddha or Arhat can attend this stage at death.The jain terms it as synnonym to Moksha or salvation.In Jain terminology Nirvaana means etternal peace.
   6. Mantra: Mantras are the keywords to enhance spiritual capabilities. It is like a medicina. Different peoiple chants different Mantras.As for medication one need to study medical sciences and practice it,so for Mantras one need to study  texts e.g. Mantradhiraja kalpa etc and practice it. It helps to attend concentration which in turn help meditating.
   7. Meditation can be started with a mantra and then one can leave Mantra and live in etternal conciousness.
   
   Finally,no one can get Samadhi or Nirvaana by merely discussing it. One has to practice it in association with an enlightened one.
   
   Thanks for ignitting this discussion.
   Jyoti kothari

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      mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Vey nice.But religion has everything to do with spirituality and enlightenment.Its the same thing. Ex Buddhism has created many enlightened ones or Boddhi sattvas ,similarly has Hinduism and all religions.
      Poet Mohit.K.Misra

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         mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         The basic message of religions is to get enlightened become one with god.

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            JYOTI KOTHARIposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            1. I have already explained that a religion starts with the followers of an enlightened one but gradually it becomes a sect with a set of rules/rituals to fpllow and looses its main stream to Nirvaana. This loss of eternal spirit causes wars, hetreat,violence and egocentric behavior.
            
            2. I can not understand why you and gamergirl are engaged in heated arguements and personal attack which is even against the rule of the forum.
            
            3. Do not this again show the lost path of the religion.
            
            4.I see that both of you are learned. Wish both of u will not engage in blaming each other. gamer is a senior hubber and never engages in such type of arguement. Perhaps she felt insult by heart.
            5.May the true religion or spirituality, Dhamma, help all to come out of these short of things.I wish, every body in etternal piece.
            
            Jyoti kothari

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               mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

               1. I have already explained that a religion starts with the followers of an enlightened one but gradually it becomes a sect with a set of rules/rituals to fpllow and looses its main stream to Nirvaana. This loss of eternal spirit causes wars, hetreat,violence and egocentric behavior.
               
               This is correct.
               Poet Mohit.K.Misra

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      RFoxposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      This is a very good and interesting post.
      One of the issues I have with religion is the emphasis on ritual at the expense (it seems at times) of true learning.
      Buddhism was never supposed to be a religion. In fact the Buddha stated that he was not God, do not deify him and his teachings were not to be used to form a religion. The Buddha was very much against religion because what he had witnessed the Brahman priests doing were not the actions of enlightened beings. The whole caste system that Hinduism gave rise to is discriminatory and many religions, as you say, turn people against each other.
      
      Religious people who are enlightened or on the path are the ones who place the teachings above the ritual, who stay true to experience rather than the dogma. They do not allow themselves to become consumed by the empty ritual but are constantly searching for the truth in all things. The interesting thing about religion is that each of the Prophets: Jesus, Buddha, Muhammed all stood against the dominant religion of the time and stated that these religions had become polluted and the truth of the path lost.
      
      Now the wonderful teachings of these Prophets have again become polluted by organized religion. What does this say about the state of the human condition?

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         JYOTI KOTHARIposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         Yes, you are right. Pls add an understanding:
         The meaning of religion is different in western and eastern concept.most of the Europe was dominated by the Church as atheocratic state. India was never theocratic though Emperors bow down to the spiritual leaders, the pathfinders, the trail blazers.
         Religin and spirituality/ enlightenment are synonims in Indian concept.
         What the Buddha and the Arhat opposed was not religion. They just opposed malafied intensions in the name of religion to fulfill vested interested.
         
         It is true that organised religions are not spirituality nor religion in true sense.
         
         Jyoti kothari

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            RFoxposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, you're right that they are different concepts in the East and West. Good call.

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   gamergirlposted 16 years ago

   Why, oh why, do I get the feeling I'm wasting my time trying to share my knowledge with you, Mohit?  You don't read a single thing I write to you, you just tell me I'm wrong, unenlightened, and that when I'm just like you I'll know.
   
   I think you just like to argue and tell people how cool you are.  Whatever.  I'm going to have sushi now.  Maybe while I'm gone you'll actually READ what I wrote to you.

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      mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      I cannot agree with you when you are wrong.
      In the Buddhist context, bodhisattva (Sanskrit: बोधिसत्त्व, bodhisattva; Tibetan: jang chub; Pali: बोधिसत्त, bodhisatta; Thai: โพธิสัตว์, phothisat; simplified Chinese: 菩萨; traditional Chinese: 菩薩; pinyin: púsà) means "enlightened (bodhi) existence (sattva)" or 'enlightenment-being' in Sanskrit.You are seeker who is still not enlightened.So you have book knowledge and not the real experience.You still have a lot to learn.

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   gamergirlposted 16 years ago

   Again you fail to read everything.
   
   If you are going to quote wikipedia, at least quote IN FULL.
   
   I'm done.  I'm not going to be baited anymore by your arrogance, your insults, your unenlightened method of being.
   
   Why is someone so filled with God and who has "achieved Nirvana" on the computer all day long anyway?  Seems to me a truly enlightened person would be out in the world teaching, living, separating from human vices and material possessions, you know, being.. enlightened and wise with life and time and everything.
   
   But then again, I'm just a simple girl who has studied world religions for nearly two decades.  What do I know?

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      mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      I find the internet a divine instrument made with great care and thought by god.It is such a superb way to go global,but then again you wouldnt understand.Exactly you are still studying and are not enlightened ,thats my point as well.
      Poet Mohit.K.Misra

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         Crash Jonesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         Is God Al Gore? (I still believe he invented the internet ... and I'm solidly convinced he had a hand in Cheerios ... Mohit Bless Al!!!!)

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            mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            hahahaha you have nice sense of humour.I see god in all.
            Mohit

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   Mark Knowlesposted 16 years ago

   Nice. I see I have no chance in the limerick stakes.
   
   Although, I think that should be "blasphemes"
   
   Certainly a point worth arguing. Does Mo (second person singular)  blasphemes, or blasphemies?
   
   The spell checker thinks they are both correct. A god-like mistake perhaps? No blasphemy intended.....

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      Crash Jonesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      heheh, Blasphemes is correct, so I have changed it. Many thanks.

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         Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         Well, I am certainly glad we got that cleared up. An important point I thought.
         
         The third worst poet in the universe blasphemes.
         
         Not, the third worst poet in the universe blasphemies.
         
         We should complain to hubpages about the spell checker. That's a big mistake that could get you into all sorts of trouble with god if he found out about it.
         
         Or is that blasphemies to say that?

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            Inspirepubposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            Blasphemous ...
            
            Jenny

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               Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

               Not blasphemious?

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               mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

               You are misleading him to be in his good books,why dont you tell him what he is doing is wrong,tell him the truth.

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                  Inspirepubposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                  To the enlightened, there is no right/wrong dichotomy.
                  
                  Jenny

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            mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            Thi is good adivice I am gving you.It is out of compassion and not arrogance.Do not insult god or anything to do with god.The consequences will be dire.
            Poet Mohit.K.Misra

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   Eric Graudinsposted 16 years ago

   After looking at a few posts on various pages of this thread, I reckon that Mohit is a genius, and has found a great way to yank all of your chains, and get you foaming at the mouth.
   
   I 'll bet he's rolling on the floor, laughing up the sleeves of his caftan at this very moment.
   
   Great work, Mohit.

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      mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      At times for sure .
      Mohit:)  

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         mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

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            Paragliderposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            You are reduced to quoting yourself without adding anything at all?

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               mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

               You are insignificant.When Hindu sages acknowlede and praise my work,when people tell me they hate poetry and dont like to read books but they love my poems and book,when I get ranked in Top 100 recommended books to read (ebookmall) thats what is important to me.It is fifth grade poets like you who have ruined the name of poetry.I will change that.
               Poet Mohit.K.Misra

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                  Paragliderposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                  Mohit - rudeness is a poor argument. It always reflects on the perpetrator, not on the target.
                  
                  Personally, I prefer appreciation from people who like poetry and like to read books, because such people are usually better informed, but each to his own.

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                     mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                     There is superb poetry-that of the masters and then there is garbage.That of people writing poetry without the basic qualification of enlightenment.I have appreciation from all kinds,thats why I am so highly ranked-its so simple wonder when you will understand.First write a decent book of poetry then become a critic.Foolish jump straight to grandmaster.
                     
                     Poet Mohit.K.Misra

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                        Paragliderposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                        Strange - you seem oddly attached to outcomes rather than actions. Didn't your friend Krishna upbraid Arjuna for precisely this lack of enlightenment? He told Arjuna it was his duty to fight to the best of his ability. If you were listening, he might be telling you to write to the best of yours and stop fussing your little head over meaningless rankings.

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                           mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                           When you become poet or author-you will understand what rankings mean.I cannot help it if you are not eligible to put poet before your name and I am.I guess that is what Krishan meant by saying -Just do your job and do not work for the outcome.Best Book Buys is one of the largest libraries in the world and has over 5 milion books-for you it may be meaningless but not for intelligent people.
                           Like a couplet I wrote
                           Whatever you try do your best,
                           Unto god leave the rest.
                           
                           Poet Mohit.K.Misra

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    SparklingJewelposted 16 years ago

    Most of this page is off forum topic...don't you all think?
    
    It would be good to get back on track...and to stop poking and prodding.

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       mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       I agree with you.

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       Crash Jonesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Hmm ... so we go back to whether soul or religion is more important. Um ... I choose ... Kirk Franklin. He has soul and religion.
       
       OK, so I do not believe in a soul and think religion is to life what the leaning tower of Pisa is to construction.

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    gamergirlposted 16 years ago

    Jyoti - I am far, far from perfect.  I see myself, socially and spiritually, as an eternal work in progress.  I will freely admit to debating with this fellow, becoming irritated at his constant insults toward anyone who dares present information which shows him to be wrong, or spamming about his ebook. 
    
    I maintain that the spirit of these forums is cheapened by shameless self-promotion and self-exaltation, and had hoped to get through to this person, however it is increasingly difficult when presented with the same arrogant answer over and over.
    
    I will be writing a Hub on Yoga, Boddhitsattva, and mantra meditations compiling my extensive research.  I don't see any use to continue discussing it here on the religion forum, which is sad because I am the one who pressed to have it included on the Hubpages forums.

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       Inspirepubposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Oh, c'mawn, Gamergirl, one self-proclaimed Enlightened One throws a little mud and you abandon us?
       
       The other 50 or so people who read this forum haven't insulted you even once!
       
       Why don't you leave Mo to his solipsistic universe and keep playing with those of us who actually participate in a SHARED reality?
       
       Jenny

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          JYOTI KOTHARIposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          Dear gamer,
          Your genuine knowledge and humbleness show that u r in the path. And he/she in the path will rich the goal of perfectness.
          I, too agree  with jenny, you must not leave, must not. Some one claiming enlightened is not enlightened if not proved in the behavior. We may ignore one.
          He may be leaved in "vocative case".
          jyoti

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          SparklingJewelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          solipsistic ...? never in my life have I seen this word I have to go look that one up.
          thanks for the vocabulary lesson of the day, Jenny...keep it up

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             SparklingJewelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             solipsism : the theory that the self is the only reality...
             
             isn't that a definition of atheism? :I   if one means the self is the human self and that there is no higher Self/of God/Source....and reality, this world of perception is not reality, but illusion, though some call it reality...then what ?

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                JYOTI KOTHARIposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                Solipsism and atheism is similar. But here is a clutch.
                In all sematic Religions e.g. Christianity, Islam.... and in vedic Hindu God is concieved as a creator where as in Indian Shramana religions e.g. Jain, Buddha, Ajeevak etc God is not a creator but observer.
                While defining Theory of Relativity Einstien has also used the words Universal observer i.e. God.
                The Vedic culture blames Jain philosophy as atheism because they donot believe in a creator God. One can himself atain Moksha/Nirvaana by loosing his own ego completely thus eradicating all Karma particle.
                So the self in earthly sense is different than in the spiritual sense. In earthly sense it represents body, mind and ego where as in spiritual sense it is Soul (Atma).
                
                N.B. Though continually self boasting, mo is agreed with me everytime, why he is not with others?
                jyoti

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                   mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                   You speak truth and all I can do is appreciate it.You have very nice knowledge.
                   Mohit

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                Inspirepubposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                Atheism allows for the existence of things beyond one's self and the creations of one's own mind. Solipsism doesn't.
                
                Therefore, God is the ultimate solipsist.
                
                Jenny

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                   mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                   Reality is both
                   Om Namo Shiva                         and                Shiv Ho Hum
                   
                   Poet Mohit.K.Misra

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    Mishaposted 16 years ago

    Told ya
    
    I agree to Crash Jones - it's much more fun talking about Mo than to Mo

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       Crash Jonesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Right on .... and I like that the name Mo has caught on ... it's complimentary, I think. I picture a Mo as an enforcer type, but not working for somebody. Rather, he enforces for his own interests. Mo's, in my mind, a lot like Leroy Brown, baddest man in the whole damn town. Meaner than a junkyard dogma.

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    Paragliderposted 16 years ago

    I appear to be especially privileged - mine are the only posts he ignores completely. Have I achieved Nirvana?

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       mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Remember foolish jump straight to grandmaster.
       You start a web site on my poems rather than Shakespeare since I am ranked over him.

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          Paragliderposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          Please send me a link to my website on Shakespeare because I don't remember ever creating one. But if you say I have, I suppose it must be true.
          
          Now, please also consider this -
          
          If a man says to me - look at that red cat and, on looking, I perceive that the animal is in fact a dog, I will immediately lose interest in whether or not it is properly described as red. Because, the adjective is lesser than the noun.
          
          Similarly, if someone says - I am an enlightened poet and I find no evidence that he is any kind of poet at all, I will not bother to pursue his claim to enlightenment. Is this unreasonable? I don't think so.

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             Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             I agree with that, although, oddly enough, I have taken the opposite approach. If some one tells me I am an enlightened poet and they turn out to be a typical aggressive person trying to force their point of view on some one and will not listen to reason, which makes them, therefore, clearly mistaken in their enlightenment, I take the same view of their poetry.
             
             Not worth reading.
             
             Not for nothing has Mo been dubbed the "third worst poet in the universe."
             
             It rivals Vogon poetry for this position, and I feel duty bound to reproduce the "Ode to Mark Knowles" that some one kindly created for me:
             
             See, see the Dead sky
             Marvel at its big Puce depths.
             Tell me, Mark Knowles do you
             Wonder why the Platypus ignores you?
             Why its foobly stare
             makes you feel Energised.
             I can tell you, it is
             Worried by your frongelous facial growth
             That looks like
             A Chicken.
             What’s more, it knows
             Your varpid potting shed
             Smells of capsicum.
             Everything under the big Dead sky
             Asks why, why do you even bother?
             You only charm Rotten fishs.
             
             No comparison in my humble opinion

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                Paragliderposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                Which shows there's more than one way to skin a cat. But Wagner (for example) claimed to be a philosophical/political genius composer. He was in fact just a musical genius with no socio-political credibility whatsoever. But debunk his politics and he's still a musical genius. Debunk Mo's 'enlightenment' and he can't fall back on being a poet, because he never was one in the first place. Straw men, straw men ...

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                   mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                   You are insignificant.When doctors tell me my poems have a calming effect on people,when Christian priests ask me if they can use my words in their sermons,when people wrap my book in fine cloth and place it along with their other holy books in their temples,when people tell me that they read my book when they were in the hospital and they now no longer fear death  then I know i am doing my job properly and thats what matters to me.
                   now i must go as I have work to do on my masterpiece.
                   Poet Mohit.K.Misra

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                Crash Jonesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                Wow, frongelous is my new favorite word.

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          Crash Jonesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          Estimated total sales of Shakespeare's works = 2,000,000,000, roughly 5.1 million copies a year (not considering the lack of printing for a few hundred years).

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       Crash Jonesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       heh, Yes Guru Glider. You are currently floating on a lotus leaf through a multicolored world of wonder ... or maybe you're outside staring really hard into a kaleidoscope.

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          Paragliderposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          Resolutely inside today - it's 43 Celsius here and blowing up a hot desert sandstorm. Ever been sandblasted? You won't opt for it a second time!

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             Crash Jonesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             Eeps, yes! I was caught in a sandstorm once and it was freakish and painful. I hid in my truck while the storm (not long-lived, but frightening) slowly dusted the interior of my company vehicle.

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    Mishaposted 16 years ago

    You know better
    
    I would think he fears percieved competition

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    gamergirlposted 16 years ago

    Snoring loudly is a calming effect, I suppose.
    
    Bragging is not a behavior indicative of an enlightened being.

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       mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Do you really think if you were to insult Shiva he would say thank you?
       over and out

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    knolyourselfposted 16 years ago

    'In all sem(e)tic Religions e.g. Christianity, Islam.... and in vedic Hindu God is concieved as a creator where as in Indian Shramana religions e.g. Jain, Buddha, Ajeevak etc God is not a creator but observer. Great observation.

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    gamergirlposted 16 years ago

    Were I to meet Shiva face to face and live through it (I believe I will see God face to face only at the time of my death) no, I would not insult him.
    
    A false enlightenment? Yes, I will insult that.

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       Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Now he is Shiva? lol
       
       And to brighten your day:
       
       

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    Maddie Ruudposted 16 years ago

    Nothing more to be gained here.  Neither party is going to see eye to eye, and at this point you're just trading insults.  Thread closed.

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