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kessposted 13 years ago
Can something come from nothing...
If so will that prove God exist?
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  Rod Marsdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Something can't come from nothing. It is an impossibility. A time when there was nothing is not logical and is beyond man's understanding. I can't say that there ever was a time but if there was it is up to the individual to decide if that proved anything. Some would argue that creation proves there was and is a creator.
  
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  Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I intend to be happy tomorrow but tomorrow does not exist except by faith. Therefore my happyness in tomorrow does not exist either... but through faith I think that I can claim it. I hope;;;; I think ... Maybe... if not boo ho
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  Rod Marsdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  To quote Descartes: I think therefore I am.
  
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  lyricsingrayposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  huh?
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  pay2cEMposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  According to scientists, yes it can. For over a decade now, they've been amazed to discover and observe matter forming out of the apparent vacuum "nothingness" of space.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Your first assumption is that Humankind came from nothing.
  Which would be a lie. We know we came from something. What's not answered is where or how?
  
  Your question "If so will that prove God exists?" - No! Because, as I said before.
  
  Why do you assume that Humankind came from nothing?
  Do you not understand science?
  
  Just a thought.
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  seyiariposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  something can come from nothing. God Himself formed the world from nothing. we were made to understand that the world was void when God created the world. another part in the bible says God formed those things that were not as if they were. if God can do that you can also do because you are God. Psa 82:6 I said, Ye are gods, And all of you sons of the Most High.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Great some one else who understands Jesus words about man being god, thank you Seyiari. Kess and you are god send
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  (Q)posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Usually, when it is claimed that "something came from nothing" it is a claim made that assumes there was nothing. With the creation of the universe, we assume there was "nothing" before the Big Bang simply because whatever may or may not have been there before is meaningless to how it affects us now. The universe affects us, not what happened before it came into existence.
  
  But, it is also a question that scientists would like to know as it may help to understand how the universe came into existence and whether or not our current theories have any relevance to it.
  
  So, most likely, there was something before the universe existed, but it is a something we would find very hard to fathom as we relate everything we know to our known universe.
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  getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Whatever that "something" is, it has to be boundless, hence it is eternal.
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  Eng.Mposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  well
  
  currently in our world , the answer is NO
  
  nevertheless, this could have happened one time at the beginning of life.
  
  I mean getting something from nothing is not the case but it might used to be.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  In my belief, God is what came from nothing. God created all else... (maybe created is the wrong word)...
  I believe God is everything and nothing, those are the two sides to the coin of God.
  I believe nothing existed and at some point everything existed. the only thing that can exist with nothing else (an opposite) is nothing.
  (by everything I don't mean everything we have now, the original everything may have merely been a microbe...)
  
  'before the beginning' there was only Nothing and nothing is the only absolute concept that can exist without an opposite.
  
  Using numbers:
  nothing is in the negative... everything is in the positve... 0 is the middle ground.
  If we started with -100 0 +100 representing existence today...
  the begining would be represented as 0.
  Technically, if there is only Nothing, then Nothing=Everything, hence God is the Alpha and the Omega,... that which simply is...I am Who am...
  {Which is another reason why I think a simple circle is a better symbol for the representative symbol of God.}
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  (maybe that is where the 'Halos' originated?)
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  Valerie Fposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not necessarily. If something can't come from nothing, God's still a "something."
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  In my belief, God is what came from nothing. God created all else... (maybe created is the wrong word)...
  I believe God is everything and nothing, those are the two sides to the coin of God.
  I believe nothing existed and at some point everything existed. the only thing that can exist with nothing else (an opposite) is nothing.
  (by everything I don't mean everything we have now, the original everything may have merely been a microbe...)
  
  'before the beginning' there was only Nothing and nothing is the only absolute concept that can exist without an opposite.
  
  Using numbers:
  nothing is in the negative... everything is in the positve... 0 is the middle ground.
  If we started with -100 0 +100 representing existence today...
  the begining would be represented as 0.
  Technically, if there is only Nothing, then Nothing=Everything, hence God is the Alpha and the Omega,... that which simply is...I am Who am...
  {Which is another reason why I think a simple circle is a better symbol for the representative symbol of God.}
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tantrumposted 13 years ago
Which is the last number ?
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  kessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There is on last number, is that another proof of God.
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I was being ironic
  Nothing is a proof of God. Prove me something !
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  Presigoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Tantrum, are you being nice today ??!!!
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, I don't think so !
  Hi Pres !
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  Presigoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Tantrum, had to say hi !! Enjoy your debate and be nice !! lol
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It depends on who's the other hubber
  I would make an exception for you !
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  Presigoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thats my girl, you are so good to me !! I will let you be and back to your "discussion" just had to say hi !!! Write me sometime, bye
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Bye. I might, sometime !
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  kessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Then we can safely conclude knowing God is not about proof or lack thereof but Believing?
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  OBVIOUSLY
  You need a lot of faith to believe in something unreal.
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  kessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Fair and square conclusion,
  Faith determines one's perception of God.
  
  For the proof is in the faith.
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  there's no proof in Faith
  Faith is not Logic
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  kessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Those without faith cannot know nor judge it.
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  Eng.Mposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  like your faith of unreal thinking of unreal God.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That is the proof. Nothing is still something
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And, you obviously like running in circles?
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Are you ignorant or just apathetic?", asked the Idiom.
  "I don't know and I don't care", replied the Alchemist.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  An obvious, you still haven't a clue. Okay, I get it. You don't want to get a clue. No problem. Remain as you are.
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getitriteposted 13 years ago
From a finite point of view, the universe is eternal.
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  kessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How does that relate to the question
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  getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It is the universe, not God, that is eternal. There is no proof that god created the universe. The only thing we can see is the evidence of the universe. From our finite perspective, the universe is eternal.
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  kessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Then one may conclude that the universe is God if they so choose ?
  And did the universe have a begining ?
  I am thinking big bang like.
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  getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Something and nothing, beginning and end are all finite perceptions. We can assign God to it, but we still don't know what the reality of the universe is. Concluding that the universe is God is only whimsical in my opinion.
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  kessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I beg to differ based on popular opinion.
  God is not finite, and most consider him to be incomprehensible.
  
  Therefore your description of the universe is attributed to God also.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Its not whimsical at all , one can see a superior intelligence all around this universe.The precision with which planets rotate and revolve to begin with,the animal kingdom, plants everything has intelligence and man is not the creator , something else is .
  
  Many great scientists talk about this superior intelligence and they are not whimsical either..
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  B52 Bomberposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Did you create everything since you`re a god?
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  One needs to understand the two "I's" involved let me give you example with Hinduism and Christianity.
  
  Hinduism- Om Namo Shiva - I bow to Shiva( god)
  
  and Shiv Ho Hum - I am Shiva ( God)
  
  Christianity- Jesus- "I am the Light- I am god"
  
  "I am the son of god , me and my father are one".Jesus
  
  Are you a part of this universe?
  Cut a piece of cake into a million pieces , does each piece change or is each piece still cake? Sorry not a great example but it difficult to give one.
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  fatfistposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If the universe had a beginning, then there was a 'before the beginning'. So if there was a 'before', then the universe was already there. Hence a beginning is a contradictory notion.
  
  It works the same with the Big Bang. If the BB expansion of the fabric of space is true, then there is a demarcation edge to the expansion. Since there is an edge, there is something after that demarcation. Can I put my arm through it? Can I drill through it? Why not? Is the wall too thick or too hard? So we have a contradiction with the BB creation too.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think that demarcation and the explanation are made well by Lawrence Kraus.
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  fatfistposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What is his explanation?
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  'before the beginning' there was only Nothing and nothing is the only absolute concept that can exist without an opposite.
  
  Using numbers:
  nothing is in the negative... everything is in the positve... 0 is the middle ground.
  If we started with -100 0 +100 representing existence today...
  the begining would be represented as 0.
  Technically, if there is only Nothing, then Nothing=Everything, hence God is the Alpha and the Omega,... that which simply is...I am Who am...
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  Eng.Mposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  depends on how you define God .
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  Eng.Mposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  in my view
  
  for something to be eternal , it must be powerful enough .
  
  that depends on the definition I regard here as power .
  
  universe is just a collection of many interacting elements .
  so are you saying these elements are etenal by themselves?
  
  best regards
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Try this then:
  
  a qua or presently defined quanta/quantum is defined as the smallest measurable unit of energy (though i can prove otherwise).
  Even so, that would make the qua the greatest unit of power.
  So then both the finite and infinite are respectfully identical, in that both are the greatest power of eternal, since energy never ends.
  
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  getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There are some things that finite science cannot determine, yet. Even logic breaks down into absurdity when attempting to explain infinity.
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thetruthhurts2009posted 13 years ago
0+0=0 math, logical, true

0+0=1 pseudoscientific nonsense, dumb
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Binaries are used in computers.
  Tell Bill Gates !
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thats the point tantrum!
  How bout dos 3.1 ?
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  kessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Where is that pseudoscientific nonsense?
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The Law of Causality
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getitriteposted 13 years ago
I have to go eat and gnash my teeth now, but I'll be back shortly.
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Jeramiposted 13 years ago
somethin from nuthin leaves nothin. Multiply nuthin by two and ya got somthin???
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
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bojanglesk8posted 13 years ago
We may never know...
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Cagsilposted 13 years ago
I find it interesting that people continue to look at the Universe and see it as the beginning? This misconception is known throughout history and it should not be the case.

People continue to look at the Universe, as something that is an effect from some other cause. When in fact, the Universe is the CAUSE and the Effects of it is Life.

The Universe exists. Since, it exists, so does Life on Earth.
The Earth evolved to sustain Human existence.
Humans evolved to think for themselves, so as to guide themselves.

There is not a subject that we came from nothing. We came from Earth originally. Myself- I came from two consenting adults who had intercourse, with the idea of having a child.

People say, Humans are not gods. God created Life and Humans cannot obtain that goal. In fact- Every human being on the planet has the power to create life. Everyone!

Just a thought.
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Twenty One Daysposted 13 years ago
Cag, you talkin' to me? ;P
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Cagsilposted 13 years ago

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Twenty One Daysposted 13 years ago
Dare I ask- What's on your mind, sunshine?
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Bovine Currencyposted 13 years ago
if there was always something there is no creation; no beginning. Why must there be a beginning?
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Because if there is no begining, then NOW is the begining.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  no, now is now.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  then begining?
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  no beginning. no need. now is now and before now was now. now is now and it is still now, get it.
  
  and now. still now. later on it will be now. the in was now at some other time before now.
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Pure logic.
  Absolute Abstract
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You get me. I like that.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  memories?
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Memories are reminders of different 'nows'
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  there can't be different nows if there is 'only now' ...all your doing is calling 'the begining' ='different nows' the concept now is either singular and all inclusive, or there is something else (a begining and an ending)
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  there has been lots of different 'nows' through the ages.
  Past, and Future doesn't exist. Use your Abstract Intelligence.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @tantrum
  You are so polite.
  
  @Mikel But yes, really, this now concept is not really new age, more old hat I would say. We do not need to agree but I would be worried if this does not seem possible to you.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You need coffee?
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  memories? pictures? movies of dead people when they were alive?
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Abstract Intelligence , please. If not abstain.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thank You for Playing
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not playing. Playground is further on,, if you're looking for it !
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  so let me get this straight, now nothing = everything ?
  
  Maybe you should land this ship for a maintenance check?
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weblogposted 13 years ago
Something from nothing... Religions?!
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dingdongposted 13 years ago
Nothing is not negative, it's zero!
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No zero is the middle, when using positive and negative numbers.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Zero is nothing, Now is Now.
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  dingdongposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I see, I think next you'll say -1, -2 etc. are nothing#1, nothing #2 and so on respectively
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  nothing minus 2 is equal to negative 2. (If you have zero dollars in the bank and borrow two dollars from me you then have 2 dollars less than zero in the bank because before you get back to zero you have to give me back my two dollars.)
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If you keep borrowing money without paying it back... the negative balance in your bank account keeps getting larger... borrow 22 dollars =-22 in the bank.
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  dingdongposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly, 0 - 2 = -2
  
  zero = nothing
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No debt is something, something negative
  zero is not having debt or money to spend(middle ground)
  money in the bank is positive.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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Will Bensonposted 13 years ago
The Big Bang theory has been proven true to the satisfaction of most scientists. That was the beginning of time and space. Matter wasn't being hurled out into space - there was no space. Space and time were initiated at that moment and space expanded with the embryonic universe.
Where's it all end? The cold universe theory holds that it keeps expanding till all stars burn out and then just sits there forever...inert and unobserved. A new twist to that holds that maybe as small black holes are gobbled up by larger ones (this has been verified as an ongoing phenomena) there will be a gradual progression to one giant black hole which will then implode on itself. What then? Another big bang? Nothing? Judgment day? If Hawking doesn't know then I'm afraid I don't either.

I wish a physicist, astronomer or cosmologist would weigh in. Anyway, just a few tidbits.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think Black Holes are 'holes'. I think they are large deposits of an element I call the 'Gravity Element' (and my comments about the rest of it I think are on this thread already)
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And I think we are confusing two seperate beginings; I think God's birth (for lack of a better phrase) is the transformation from there being only nothing, to there being also something/everything... Later God created, possibly using the 'Big Bang' and evolution, what humanity commonly calls creation.
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  fatfistposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  (The Big Bang theory has been proven true)
  No it hasn't. Science never proves anything as every theory is falsifiable.
  
  (space expanded with the embryonic universe)
  You are implicitly saying that space is a physical object as it can be expanded, has shape, and is irrevocably contoured by 'something'. How can a 0-D singularity with no size, explode into a universe?
  
  Homework:
  a) Draw space so we can see how it physically looks like.
  b) What is the 'stuff' that is on the outside of space and contours it?
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There is no homework to do on what you've stated. The answers are there, look for them and you'll find them. Thank you.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Home work?
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFMmzKDonRY
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
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  fatfistposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Krauss said: "Forget Jesus! The stars died so YOU could be here today!"
  That explains a lot
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am in awe of this theory.What caculations lasting for so long is required , the human mind is too limited to comrehend this.
  
  There is simple organsim then some star dies and the fragmnets reach this planet get together and create a more evolved species.This goes on and on till we as humans come into the picture.
  Whatever the force behind all this is supremely intelligent and alive.
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  fatfistposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh I agree with you up until the intelligent part. If I were God, I certainly wouldn't reuse all the WASTE and leftover crap material of the stars in universe to make my pure beings.
  I would use the flesh and blood of Jesus to do it. There would be no leftover star crap in my beings.
  
  But of course, that would be me...I'll let God speak for what "He" did. Oh I know, maybe God is an environmentalist - reuse, reduce, recycle.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do you feel reused? The flesh and blood of all, god encompasses this entire universe.
  "The Light that shines beyond the stars,
  Is the same in my heart.
  
  I know my essence is god and feel and think differently.This cosmos is fully alive and intelligent a supreme intelligence man can connnect with as that is his essence.
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Bovine Currencyposted 13 years ago
zero dollars is a lack of dollars. -ve $2 is owing two dollars.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
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Bovine Currencyposted 13 years ago
Perhaps this example is not particularly helping your creation theory?
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I love you more when you giggle
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  don't love me too much. It brings insomnia !
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  and why would you say that?1) the existence of only nothing...
  2) the 'birth of God (that instant when there was not 'only' nothing, there was also something/everything(God).)
  3) God 'creates' what humanity commonly calls the universe, the human reality.
  4) the end of God
  5)
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  God ends when the last human mind cease to exist.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  possibly
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  FACT
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  God is like a box of chocolates. If you put the lid back on he could be in the fridge forever. He is real but only if you open the box, there he is, nice and pink on the inside like a strawberry. Then one day you eat him and he goes for a swim, back into the big ocean and rising into the clouds, then he does a big wee wee on you. Its all so natural everythingness-nothingness in a hot kind of sexual oodie laddi whoopdi do clap your hands kind of way? Don't you think like, yeah whatever?
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Everything is 'real' when you open the box. I'd rather have real things in the open. I never liked 'boxes'
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I like boxes. I like chocolatey pink bits too
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  God is a word people invented to represent a concept. The concept the word represents is that of the supreme being (If there is a lowest form of life... then there has to be a highest). Humanity has named that form of life, God.
  What is God, we don't know.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No worries. Sorted
  
  We dont know, we includes you?
  
  So you don't know, you said it, we accept it.
  
  Me, I do know but you wouldn't understand.
  
  Nice doin business
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thank You for Playing...
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And since we know that Humans and Humanity could be wrong. That leaves Humans as the HIGHEST Life form we know and everything else is less.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Possibly...
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So when you write those hubs you write where you say you do know and he is coming back, you are just lying then?
  
  You know he made us and you know he is coming back.
  
  The Baker?
  Remember - 100% total lack of evidence may not be absolute proof - but it is a good indication.
  
  Why do you need to do that?
  
  Still - what is the lowest form of life? I presume you know this?
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  A good indication... Prove that God does not exist. Since you can't that is a pretty good indication God exists?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No - It does not work that way sweetie. Sorry. The burden of proof falls to you.
  
  What is the lowest form of life anyway? And who decided and by what criteria? Bacteria? Try living without it. Is bacteria the highest form of life now?
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Bacteria are right up with the latest in science and often one step ahead, so I guess they are near the top if survival is any measure, just take a look at a few nasty ones! On the other hand, I almost starved from a lack of them once.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Since I'm not trying to convert you to believing, and you are trying to convert me to non-believing... the burden of proof does indeed rest on your shoulders.
  
  I have stated that the proof either way is non-existant, so far...
  with that said it could be either way... there is a 50 percent chance that God(in the biblical sense) exists...
  And there is a 50 percent chance that God(in the biblical sense) does not exist.
  
  I choose to believe.
  
  That somekind of supreme being/God (possibly not in the biblical sense) exists I think is proven by the statemant of the logic: If there is a lowest, then there has to be a highest. and I qualify that with if there are more than 1 life forms.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  A lot of ifs. I see you missed the math lesson the other day as well. There is infinitely more chances that there is not a god than your invisible super being exists.
  
  Is there a lowest form of life? Because if there is not - your invisible super being does not exist - by your logic.
  
  Now - I get that your life is so worthless that you need to believe - I understand. It makes you feel special. Gives you meaning. Allows you to pretend to love everyone. I get it. Why do you need to try and justify it like this? Is it not enough to believe?
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, a lot of ifs. agreed.
  
  There are not infinitely more chances that your belief with no proof is correct. The chances that either of our unfounded and contradictory beliefs are true is a 50/50 proposition. Your earlier 'math' was flawed.
  
  A hierarchy is established anytime there is more than one and the two are not equal.
  
  and on point four, Thank You for Playing. just remember you asked me.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No - I did not ask you this. I asked you to show me this lowest form of life. Sorry you did not understand the maths either.
  
  There are an infinite number of possible gods, therefore I am infinitely more likely to be correct than you are.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The PROOF of burden relies on the shoulder of the believer.
  
  Because, the NON-believer already have truth.
  
  Science - defined "reality", which is objective. Reality exists free of independent thoughts, desires, will, or wishes. Reality is all knowable.
  
  Don't take that as Humankind knows everything, because that would be completely ignorant on your part to think that Humankind has learned all the there is. GOD doesn't exist in reality, therefore he doesn't exist.
  
  The proof lays in your hands, because we(non-believers) know better. Sorry!
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Twenty One Daysposted 13 years ago
something is nothing.
0 is 1
nothing is something
1 is 0

example:

a meson and gluon intersect. out of seemingly nothing comes a neutrino.
something from nothing.

welcome to the universe!
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Bovine Currencyposted 13 years ago
milk and two, thanks
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  again Thank You for Playing.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Is thank you for playing long hand for P*** off?
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It seems he thinks he owns the thread
  
  Nothing interesting in his posts anyway !
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  True. He keeps going back in to this lower/higher life loop.
  Could be a short circuit or a crook relay.
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  short circuits !
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Cagsilposted 13 years ago

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tantrumposted 13 years ago
I think he's in the playground ! He found it at last !
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Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years ago
Mark Knowles: "Still - what is the lowest form of life? I presume you know this? "

Mikel: "The more I think about this the more I suspect it may be God as well...
Everything being the highest positive
Nothing being the lowest positive(non-negative), but still something(this use of the word nothing will confuse ding dong )
('God' by definition being something )
do you follow?

{negative numbers being the 'other side' of the God coin}"
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No - I am not following.
  
  You are just assuming a god and making up nonsense to justify it. You are the one that is stating that there MUST be a higher form of life and you KNOW it is not anything we are aware of.
  
  And the reason you keep stating is that if there is a lowest form there must be a highest.
  
  I do not see or understand "lowest" or "highest" forms of life.
  
  And neither do you apparently.
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
By the way bacteria has been around a helluva lot longer than a belief in invisible boogymen.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  No question. I am not seeing this "lowest" form of life crap as anything other than yet another way of saying, "There must be a god because I cannot imagine there not being a god, therefore there is one."
  
  Oh......... And I know He is coming back.
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Bovine Currencyposted 13 years ago
Ah geez.

If only my outside the house life were this entertaining
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nothing much happening in your neighborhood ?
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am still waiting for this stupid background check, when I start this new job I will have some excitement. Otherwise it is just a bit blah for now.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well then, you have come to the right place bc!
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Bovine Currencyposted 13 years ago
Indeedy-do

Well off topic from ahh something-nothingness, I will be working in childrens services trying to help young indigenous kids in my home town. Like all community services, the stats for success are never flash but it is a good project. A very good foot in the door too seeing how it is government.
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  good for you ! I'm sure you'll be good at it !
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sure!
  
  I will be working close with police also. If I keep myself out of trouble, nose clean, I might even get a foot in with the police department.
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Keep yourself out of trouble, then !
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have got this far in life without a record so it would be a shame to waste all my street knowledge on finding my way to prison.
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
BC that is a cool thing to do. I know the stats are bad, but each good person in the mix helps.
More power to you!
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks you two
  
  @earnest, you are an aussie, yes? You know much about perth?
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  A little yes, my twin sister has lived there for a long time. I am in Melbourne.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have some family in Melbourne. And NSW.
  
  Perth has got a fairly bad inner city problem with underage indigenous at the moment, that is what I will be doing.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I had heard. I commend you for doing this, those kids need a hand.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks
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tantrumposted 13 years ago
Sure thing !
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Bovine Currencyposted 13 years ago
Why must there be a lowest and highest?

And where do you get the 50/50 chance?

I am not interested in your religion, I am interested in how you come to these conclusions.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  again Thank You for Playing
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh how very bold of you
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  He didn't find the playground !
  Oh well !
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOL
  Here is the maths:
  
  2 options:
  
  1. A god exists
  2. A god does not exist
  
  50/50 - so far.
  
  1. Infinite numbers of possible gods
  
  Therefor there is infinitely more chances that god does not exist than he (christian god - option number 2,999,887,928,668,464,776,377,487,990,465) has it right.
  
  Out of a book.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Horses and water
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  and if infinity is the top end... then half of infinity belongs to the 50 percent that is on the there is a God side.
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Bovine Currencyposted 13 years ago
horse

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pride

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water
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IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years ago
Bovine, I didn't recognize you behind that new, scary looking avatar.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It is creepy huh!?
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shazwellynposted 13 years ago
OMG... Academics have been debating this since aristotle! Give it a rest and just learn to love. That is the secret. Love x
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Bovine Currencyposted 13 years ago
jesus said you will find me under a rock
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus has been claimed to say a lot of things.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I know all about jesus. We smoked crack together in Nam.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sure.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You know its true. I can see it in your rolling eyes!
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, okay.
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  lyricsingrayposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So ingratiating to my less than firm dance with reality cum deluded god like image of self
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  like snakes
  I wonder if....
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Insert creepy sound effects
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
Here is the second episode of Discovery which has Lawrence Kraus explaining his theories. I posted the first episode some time back, but will find it if requested.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0 … ce_Krauss/
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Cagsilposted 13 years ago
In the immortal words of Jim Carrey, Ace Venture..."Well, alrighty....then!
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Bovine Currencyposted 13 years ago
In the words of the late Hunter S. Thompson, coming back to the thread...

"History is hard to know, because of all the hired bullshit, but even without being sure of 'history' it seems entirely reasonable to think that every now and then the energy of a whole generation comes to a head in a long fine flash, for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened . . ."
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Smooth as Silkposted 13 years ago
Of course I know Jesus, I think he still owes me $12!
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Charge him interest!
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  2000 years of interest?
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Army of mongeese debt collectors?
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
Stardust!
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  :
  Amazing, we are all made of stars
  And an eco system within.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  and the scale of particles and galaxies and universes.
  Any wonder man went in to space. I have been really enjoying Professor Kraus's "Explorer" series on the BBC, he is so good at offering theory that can be understood by ordinary folk.
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